The FOX JEWS NETWORK, with its propensity of trolling the NYC sewers and those of Israel in their efforts to spew the Zionist point of view in their pro-Israel format, has Marc Ginsberg, Dennis Ross, Charles Krathammer, Bill Crystal, Fred Barnes, Mort Kondrake, (and the rest of the NeoCon[men] mafia from AIPAC, ZOA, UJA, JDL, Anti-Defamation league, The Heritage Foundation, et. al.) on the air almost on a daily basis spewing their Zionist venom and condeming so-called Palestinian "terrorism" :rolleyes: as the hapless Palestinian's fight with home made weapons, stones and even their fists, in defense of embryonic Palestine, their future, and even their dignity.

Al Jazeera, on the other hand, spends its time showing the Arab world The facts of life on the ground , demolished Arab homes and businesses, US supplied IDF AH-64D Longbow attack helicopters attacking and killing "suspected" Palestinian terrorists (and any bystander that gets in the way) with their horrendous US supplied Hellfire/TOW antitank missiles and "Fletchette" antipersonnel munitions the US sends to their LIKUDNIK pals for "self defense, of-course" ;) that are used for maiming and mistreating the Palestinian population, including camera shots of the foul acts of the insipid CRUSADERS in Iraq and Afghanistan (flattened villages and dead men, women and especialy Afghan children massacred by US cluster bombs) from the Arab camera's point of view.

This has not been well accepted by the Bush administration who's subtle guttural attacks and not so subtle armed attacks (bombing Al Jazeera's offices in Kabul in 2002) have attempted, without success, to intimidate Al Jazeera into silence.

Whirlwind...

From MSNBC:

Last Friday, Al Jazeera's English-language Web site reported that Al Jazeera reporters had come under fire in Fallujah, including a bombing raid that came "disconcertingly close to the news channel's office." The story went on to note that "Aljazeera journalists have found themselves at the receiving end of US-aggression often in the past."...

http://slate.msn.com/id/2098668/

i don't have time to read your full post now... but as far as al-Jazeera goes with its "Fair and Balanced" reports,

i have 2 points of view about al-Jazeera

1st: a Shiite Iraqi currently in Falluja (http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/archives/2004_04_01_healingiraq_archive.html#10814742473637 9782)


we have only Al-Jazeera to rely on for our news from there. They have sent over their top reporter Ahmed Mansour to the town, and he is spouting all kinds of propaganda hourly reminding me of Al-Sahhaf. "They are targetting ambulances", "American snipers are shooting children and pregnant women", and "They are using cluster bombs against civilians" is all you get to hear from him. He did once make an unforgivable error when he mentioned that Fallujan militants were shooting at the Marines from the roofs of mosques and houses in Hay Al-Golan, but of course that is okay for Al-Jazeera. Someone who called himself Abu Hafs from the Ibn Al-Khattab Brigades (another new group) was on Al-Jazeera describing the enormous casualties among the Marines and he sweared that American soldiers were mutilating the bodies of dead insurgents. Over 300 Iraqis are reported dead and 500 wounded in Fallujah alone. Al-Iraqiyah tv said that ICDC were controlling Ramadi.


2nd: the rotating President of the Governing Council in Iraq (http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=5790)


On Tuesday, the Qatari Al-Jazeera TV network reported a survey showing that 90% of Iraqis and other Arabs believe that the situation in Iraq has greatly deteriorated since the invasion a year ago. How do you explain this?

I have many objections to Al-Jazeera's coverage of the situation in Iraq. Regarding the survey you mentioned, I can tell you that the Iraqi people did not participate in it, because we have neither Internet nor telephones. The results do not reflect Iraqi opinion at all, but rather that of other Arab peoples.


the US government has been saying this for a long time but i guess they're not to be trusted.. after all they're your own government!
so hear it from the mouths of the "oppressed"

Al-Jazeerah is nothing more than PR for terrorists .

This is exactly why the "arab world" created al-jazirah .
not being dependent by the "western world media" .

they must to broadcast the images in any cost , they have to play with the "western civilization mind" .

here's another link (http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000248.html) (scroll down)
this was said by an Iraqi who came to counter-demonstrate the ANSWER demonstration in washington


"... yes, Al Jazzera and Al Arabya: if I had power, I swear to God I would not allow Al Arabya and Al Jazeera inside Iraq. Al Arabya and Al Jazeera are Saddam loyalists!"

al-Jazeera, whose journalistic integrity is [how do i put it nicely...] questionable... yes. that's it..., they are the mouthpiece of al-Qaeda or so-called "insurgents" (read "terrorists (http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=IA17004)"). they are just too eager to broadcast any loudmouth inciting drums-of-war-are-banging type of shit. they are inventing polls and facts (get it while its hot (http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/world_full_story.asp?service_id=482) -- notice who they're asking.. some al-Tikriti guy. name sounds familiar?), inciting opinion, and just generally dishonest. there is no word that i know that could describe the level of their unprofessionalism.

i read a few days ago an interview (done by Islam Online or al-Jazeera, cant remember who).. and was trying to find a link for 10 minutes now.. can't find it.
anyway, the interviewer was talking to Rantissi (Hamas leader). he asked him the same question 4 times (will Hamas now target US?)
every time Rantisi said "no" and every time the question was rephrased with 'factual' reminders ("considering that it was American Hellfire missiles that the Israelis used to kill Yassin, shouldn't they now be targets too?")

4 different questions which are one and the same!
they are not satisfied until they get their inciting shit going

whatever man... comparing al-Jazeera to FOX
it's like it's not cool nowadays to be unbiased... or even worse.. to root for your own team!

Why do we even need foxnews or CNN?? We could just watch the Enquirer. I heard that the Army was secretly reqruiting bat people to fly recon.

oh so they've decided to do that again?
it failed miserably in the 70's when the bats were injected large doses of LSD for mindcontrol purposes

Al-Jazeerah is nothing more than PR for terrorists .

This is exactly why the "arab world" created al-jazirah.
not being dependent by the "western world media" .

they must to broadcast the images in any cost, they have to play with the "western civilization mind" .
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Hahahaha, Al Jezeera is the mouth piece for terrorists, really? :eek:
Hahahaha, the FOX JEWS NETWORK "is" a mouth piece for the IDF/IAF terrorists. :D

Jazeera: They must have a "hell of a budget" to be able to afford all the the 'props" and paid extra's. (F-16's dropping JADAM's on Palestinian civilians in crowded apartment buildings, Israeli steel clad Merkava tanks firing the horrendous US supplied 120 mm "Fletchette" antipersonnel shells at adolescent Palestinian stone throwers [in self defense, of-course!], leaving Palestinian men, women and children a pile of torn and bloodied flesh and crushed bones. AH-64D Longbow helicopter gunships bristling with US supplied Hellfire/TOW antitank missiles firing on "suspected" Palestinian terrorists [and anyone standing nearby]). 60 ton US supplied D-9 Caterpillar bull dozers with bullet proof windows and IDF operators in flak jackets demolishing Palestinian homes where the people have lived for generations. (we'll skip the C-130 gunships blasting away at unknown targets in the midddle of the night in Afghanistan, US B-52's and F-18A's dropping cluster bombs and flattening Afghan villages for now, OK?).*

Funny thing about us American's, we allow the Jewish owned and operated US media to play with the "Western (not) so civilized mind, huh Rabbi Rupert Murdoch, huh friends?

Whirlwind....

*Just the facts, and nothing but the facts, madam!

Al-Jazeerah is nothing more than PR for terrorists .

This is exactly why the "arab world" created al-jazirah .
not being dependent by the "western world media" .

they must to broadcast the images in any cost , they have to play with the "western civilization mind" .
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OK, OK Spiderman.... so you want tangible proof from US sources of some of the "nasties" in our military that the US media works so hard to "keep under cover," lest idealistic "patriots" like yourself don't have that "bubble" burst on them and they "lose the faith" in our imperial goverment (((choke))).

Let's have you read up on the 101st Airborne's TIGER FORCE and then you can get back to me, OK? :D

Excerpts taken from: WWW.ToledoBlade.com

See: October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
THE SERIES: Elite unit savaged civilians in Vietnam

It was an elite fighting unit in Vietnam - small, mobile, trained to kill. Known as Tiger Force, the platoon was created by a U.S. Army engaged in a new kind of war - one defined by ambushes, booby traps, and a nearly invisible enemy.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
DAY 1: Rogue GIs unleashed wave of terror in Central Highlands
QUANG NGAI, Vietnam - For the 10 elderly farmers in the rice paddy, there was nowhere to hide. The river stretched along one side, mountains on the other. Approaching quickly in between were the soldiers - an elite U.S. Army unit known as Tiger Force.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
DAY 2: Inquiry ended without justice
Seven years after leaving Vietnam, James Barnett broke down. Haunted by the killing of civilians, the former Tiger Force sergeant invited Army investigators to his home to offer a surprise confession.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
DAY 3: Pain lingers 36 years after deadly rampage
SONG VE VALLEY, Vietnam - Incense smoke rose over the grave as Tam Hau knelt on the grassy mound. Hands trembling, she prayed quietly to the uncle who stumbled upon the soldiers so long ago. Like so many others, he didn't survive.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
DAY 4: Demons of past stalk Tiger Force veterans
For Barry Bowman, the images return at night. The elderly man praying on his knees. The officer pointing a rifle at the man's head. The shot. That piercing shot. Before it's over, the old man drops to the ground - his body twitching in the blood-soaked grass.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
Tiger Force documents elude Army investigators
(This article was published on Dec. 30, 2003)


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
Witness to Vietnam atrocities never knew about investigation
Dennis Stout was a soldier caught between the ethics of his job and surviving in an unforgiving Army. As a military journalist, he watched platoon soldiers force 35 women and children into a pasture in the heart of Vietnam’s Central Highlands.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
Vietnamese colonel to investigate Tiger Force
Thirty-six years after a U.S. Army platoon swept through the heart of Vietnam torturing and killing civilians, a Vietnamese military official is investigating the atrocities to determine how many people died in the rampage. (This story was published on Oct. 27.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
Why did some troops target civilians but others did not?
Ken Kerney said he joined the Army to fight communism, but he would face another struggle in Vietnam. Entering a special fighting unit in one of the country's most dangerous war zones, he watched in 1967 as his new peers sliced ears from enemy dead and opened fire on unarmed villagers.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
Army makes adjustments in effort to prevent abuses
Lt. Col. Chris Hughes had a tough decision to make on a tense street in a southern Iraqi city, so he gave his 130 troops a set of orders that would draw international attention. Drop to one knee. Point your weapons to the ground. And smile.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
`Free-fire' situation set stage for abuses
By the time Tiger Force soldiers stopped firing their weapons, six people were dead, including two children. They weren't carrying weapons, or dressed in enemy uniforms, but it didn't matter: They were living in a free-fire zone.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
Charges still possible but unlikely, experts say
Thirty-six years after their tours in Tiger Force, former platoon members still could be prosecuted for what happened in Vietnam, although legal experts say it's unlikely to happen.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
Vietnamese teen saved by sergeant
After watching Tiger Force soldiers execute an unarmed villager, Sgt. Gerald Bruner did the unthinkable. He raised his rifle with his own threat: He would kill anyone who tried to shoot any more civilians. The soldiers backed down.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
Hearsay account triggered the probe
After 41/2 years of investigating Tiger Force, the only soldier disciplined in the case was the one who brought it to the Army's attention.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
2 officers clashed over the treatment of noncombatants
The two elderly Vietnamese women were walking toward the soldiers when Tiger Force platoon Lt. James Hawkins ordered his men to shoot. Quickly, another lieutenant, Donald Wood (left), told the men not to fire.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
Experts: Earlier Tiger Force probe could have averted My Lai carnage
MY LAI, Vietnam - Just before dawn, the ritual begins. People gather around stone statues, some whispering prayers, others crying. Every year, hundreds of Vietnamese travel to the memorial that marks the day the soldiers swept into the tiny village before sunrise expecting to meet enemy soldiers.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
7 allegations focused on GI from Arizona
Sam Ybarra sat in the darkness of his mother's Arizona home, sobbing. Once a feared member of Tiger Force who boasted of shooting civilians, he was now a broken figure - haunted by images of the war.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
Vietnam won't dwell on past, official says
HANOI, Vietnam - Responding to The Blade's investigative series that an elite unit of American soldiers slaughtered hundreds of innocent civilians during the Vietnam War, a Vietnamese official said yesterday the country wants to put the conflict behind it even though it caused "much suffering.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
Primary figures
Special Agent Gustav Apsey - The lead agent in the 41/2-year Tiger Force case, he oversaw an investigation that utilized more than 100 investigators to interview 137 witnesses in 63 cities.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
About the series/The Blade's team
The Blade's investigation began after the newspaper obtained 22 pages of classified Army records detailing atrocities by Tiger Force. The records of the Army's Criminal Investigation Command were just the start.


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October 22, 2003 | Tiger Force
Vietnam's children: Photo story
Toledo Magazine's photo story by Andy Morrison on Vietnam's children.


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October 20, 2003 | Tiger Force
Massacre story needs to be told
Mike Ware of Haskins, Ohio, a veteran of the Army's 101st Airborne Division who served in Vietnam during America's most controversial and divisive war, reacted to an ad in The Blade last week that promoted the series of articles that started on today's front page.




Whirlwind...

If you're wondering if I am a "traitor" lemmie say that I traveled El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala in the 1980's and saw, first hand, the atrocities committed by the Reagan/CIA funded and Israeli armed Contra's, under the guidence and protection of the right wing death squad killer's coverup men: Elliot Abrams (Zionist AIPAC zealot, currently on the Bush payroll) and John Negroponte (currently US ambassador to the UN).

the US's skirt is not completley white
whatever the impressions that were left on you from what you saw, mr. Kerry lite, have nothing to do with "Jewish owned media", and Jazeera's lack of integrity (which you for some reason decided to not address)

"Jewish owned media".. you mean by the Elders of Zion? it is one big collaboration between AIPAC, FOX, and Hollywood.
is CNN in on it too? how about New York Times? there's so many kikes in there... they OWN the place... shiet.

man, i think there are some living next door to you
MOSSAD AGENTS
you must cleanse this evil

Al Jazeera's LACK OF INTEGRITY?

What's s'matter their film "shots" bother you? :D

Too bad that both sides have camera's huh?

Otherwise, it would be like in Israel where they shoot a Palestinian child from 1,000 meters away and then the IDF command reports that "the child was laying a "booby trap" and gullible American's "eat it up." :eek:

HOOK, LINE & SINKER!

THE FOOLS! :rolleyes:

Whirlwind....

buddy
i provided you not one, not two, but THREE examples of arabs, Iraqis, denouncing Jazeera as a propaganda machine

and those examples were compiled in a few minutes of looking for links.
i can come up with many more if i'd look for ... say... 30 minutes...

why don't you address those 3 Iraqis?
do you think they are they CIA agents or something?

and your bullshit about Israeli soldiers sniping at 'palestinian' children for fun is unfounded and based on the same conspiracy theories that claim that Jews "own" the US media

if you want to be taken seriously, which i think you deserve, come down to earth and bring in some objectivity

Whirlwind,

You are a sheep. Baaaaaa Baaaaaaa

But thank you anyways for providing insight into the mind of a typical Al-Jablowme viewer.

If you're wondering if I am a "traitor" lemmie say that I traveled El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala in the 1980's and saw, first hand, the atrocities committed by the Reagan/CIA funded and Israeli armed Contra's, under the guidence and protection of the right wing death squad killer's coverup men: Elliot Abrams (Zionist AIPAC zealot, currently on the Bush payroll) and John Negroponte (currently US ambassador to the UN).
Ah, the good old days of the CIA. We need to get back to undermining governments, rigging elections, and slaughtering communists.

buddy
i provided you not one, not two, but THREE examples of arabs, Iraqis, denouncing Jazeera as a propaganda machine

and those examples were compiled in a few minutes of looking for links.
i can come up with many more if i'd look for ... say... 30 minutes...

why don't you address those 3 Iraqis?
do you think they are they CIA agents or something?

and your bullshit about Israeli soldiers sniping at 'palestinian' children for fun is unfounded and based on the same conspiracy theories that claim that Jews "own" the US media

if you want to be taken seriously, which i think you deserve, come down to earth and bring in some objectivity

Whirlwind responds: :o

Here Bubba, try:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE151452002

(also) WWW.RememberTheseChildren.org

Now talk to me about "propaganda!" :(

The Whirlwind,
("To know him is to love him!")

Whirlwind responds: :o

Here Bubba, try:

Now talk to me about "propaganda!" :(

The Whirlwind,
("To know him is to love him!")
hey who pays for your propaganda? are you an agent of the al-Queda politburo? are you stuck in some basement in Beirut, dreaming up propaganda? seeing if you can flood the Net with lies? are you an agent of hezbollah? who do you work for? you are a propaganda tool, a liar, and brainwashed, who can believe you now, even if you spoke the truth? you are like the boy who cried wolf, when the real wolf came, noboby believed him
to know you, is to know that you are a "tornado of lies", oh glassy-eyed brainwashed zombie, drink some coffee, sleep more, take a vacation, leave that basement, breathe fresh air, start thinking for yourself, not what the mullahs, imans & fanatics want you to, use that college education for something useful

hey who pays for your propaganda? are you an agent of the al-Queda politburo? are you stuck in some basement in Beirut, dreaming up propaganda? seeing if you can flood the Net with lies? are you an agent of hezbollah? who do you work for? you are a propaganda tool, a liar, and brainwashed, who can believe you now, even if you spoke the truth? you are like the boy who cried wolf, when the real wolf came, noboby believed him
to know you, is to know that you are a "tornado of lies", oh glassy-eyed brainwashed zombie, drink some coffee, sleep more, take a vacation, leave that basement, breathe fresh air, start thinking for yourself, not what the mullahs, imans & fanatics want you to, use that college education for something useful

Whirlwind responds..... :o

((((yawn)))))