Faced with the decision of what to do with an unexpected/ unwanted pregnancy which you choose?

Adoption never made much sense for me. Perhaps I'm just selfish.

I hate to start another thread like this, but I was curious. I read in a magazine the other day that many young women of today would rather have an abortion than give their baby up for adoption. I thought I was the only one who felt this way, but after discussing the issue with other women I found many of them had the same views, even a quite a few of the women who said they were pro-life.

I hate to start another thread like this. . . .Then at least do us (and the world) a favor and allow only women to vote. As my wife puts it (and I had to clean up the language because there were too many dirty words), "I'll give a flying fuck what men think about abortion, the first time one of you assholes gets pregnant!"

If the Supreme Court is going to make this decision for all of you, only the female justices should get to vote. (How many are there now, like one?)
. . .even quite a few of the women who said they were pro-life.Without ruling on abortion itself, can we make these stupid euphemisms illegal? Call it "pro-abortion" and "anti-abortion," so we can all understand a)what it's about and b)which side is which.

tell your wife that as long as there are proposals from feminist groups that wifes need to give permission before a vesectomy is carried out men have as much right to imput into wether there wives are alowed an abortion:)

Ugh. I think it's a man's business whether he has a vasectomy, and a woman's business whether she has an abortion.

If I got pregnant by accident I'd abort while it was still unformed. Call me selfish or whatever, but I don't see anything either moral or respsonsible about creating an unwanted child. That and I'm extremely vain about my body. :D

Faced with the decision of what to do with an unexpected/ unwanted pregnancy which you choose?





Of course, you forgot an option....Abstinence!

The "choice" in pro-choice should come before intercourse. After all there is variety of ways to achieve orgasm with out risking pregnancy, ya know, if it's just sex.

But since this should just be between women, I'll ask my daughter what she thinks......she's adopted.

Screw abstinence.

Sure, you can induce an orgasm without penetration, but I think that's irrelevant. I see nothing wrong with early stage abortions.

Yes, I'm sure your healthcare provider would agree.

Faced with the decision of what to do with an unexpected/ unwanted pregnancy which you choose?

Adoption never made much sense for me. Perhaps I'm just selfish.

I hate to start another thread like this, but I was curious. I read in a magazine the other day that many young women of today would rather have an abortion than give their baby up for adoption. I thought I was the only one who felt this way, but after discussing the issue with other women I found many of them had the same views, even a quite a few of the women who said they were pro-life.

i would have to go for the adoption route, i could never kill a fetus or a child

Of course, you forgot an option....Abstinence!

And another... contraception!

All of these problems would be solved if sexually active women went on the pill/had the coil/had an implant etc. and made damn sure their partner was wearing a condom too.

This is a tough question, since I have had 2 kids of my own and was also adopted when I was a baby.

I am happy that my birth mother went the adoption route instead of abortion or I wouldn't be here today.

I have also been pregnant and know what hell delivering my 2 were. I also know what it did to my body. :( I find it hard to even imagine going through the 9 mnths and delivery to hand the baby over to someone else. That is a lot of work just to give it away. I am also a big softie and don't think that once the baby was born I would be able to give it away. I would be sucked in, esp if the babies were as beautiful as mine where :o. (ya ya I am bragging)

On the other hand I can't imagine having an abortion unless it was absolutely necessary or I was raped or something to that effect. It would be a REALLY tough decision to abort, but then there would be no chance of wanting to keep the baby.

If I had the baby thinking I would give it up for adoption, I can see changing my mind and keeping the baby in the end.

So at this point I am not sure what I would do, it would depend on the circumstances at the time.

Faced with the decision of what to do with an unexpected/ unwanted pregnancy which you choose?

Adoption never made much sense for me. Perhaps I'm just selfish.

I hate to start another thread like this, but I was curious. I read in a magazine the other day that many young women of today would rather have an abortion than give their baby up for adoption. I thought I was the only one who felt this way, but after discussing the issue with other women I found many of them had the same views, even a quite a few of the women who said they were pro-life.

Abortion is murder. Period. It is unacceptable in all of its instances.

And another... contraception!

All of these problems would be solved if sexually active women went on the pill/had the coil/had an implant etc. and made damn sure their partner was wearing a condom too.

I have to agree.

Piss off fungezoid.

I can understand why you think adoption is preferable, but say for example a very young adolescent girl was raped? Would you force such a girl to bear a child regardless of the damage to her undersized body, to say nothing of the monstrous emotional trauma?!

Abortion is a good thing. It gets rid of poor babies, from genetically inferior stock.

Abortion is a good thing. It gets rid of poor babies, from genetically inferior stock.

And yet, here you are. :eek::bugeye:;)

And yet, here you are. :eek::bugeye:;)

I've got blue eyes.
Same color as Jesus.

Screw abstinence.

Sure, you can induce an orgasm without penetration, but I think that's irrelevant. I see nothing wrong with early stage abortions.So killing the innocent and weak is Ok so long as you achieve a better orgasm?

Abortion is a good thing. It gets rid of poor babies, from genetically inferior stock.
It especially keeps down the number of black babies:

Although abortion rates have declined among all racial and ethnic groups, large disparities persist, with Hispanic and black women having the procedure at rates three to five times the rate of white women.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202831.html

It especially keeps down the number of black babies:

Tell me Madant, was that the first thing that came to your mind upon reading Roman's comment?

Of course, you forgot an option....Abstinence!

The "choice" in pro-choice should come before intercourse. After all there is variety of ways to achieve orgasm with out risking pregnancy, ya know, if it's just sex.

But since this should just be between women, I'll ask my daughter what she thinks......she's adopted.

Um I think you missed my point. This has nothing to do with abstinence or contraceptives or anything like that. Accidents happen, it was a hypothetical situation and men can answer if they wish as well, they have just as much experience carrying a baby to term as I do. If for whatever reason you were in that situation where you could choose to abort or give the baby away after it was born what would you decide to do. Personally I don't think abortion would eat my heart out like giving my child up for adoption would. If I invest the time and effort into carrying it around for the better part of a year, then I'm keeping it I would never be able to give my child away regardless of my living situation. That's all I wanted to know. If you think abortion is wrong no matter what then just say you would choose adoption. Because that's the choice you would make in this hypothetical situation.

As a billion people have told me, if you can't mother a child, don't.

As a billion people have told me, if you can't mother a child, don't.

So does that mean you'd pick abortion or give the child away?

I'm just letting you know what everyone's said to me. They all are basically 100% against abortion, and would demand adoption. I am pro abortion. Not pro choice, I am FOR abortion. My friends apparently think that the baby has more rights than the mother, and that, given the hypothetical situation that a twelve year old girl was raped and whether she is allowed to have an abortion, I got the answer that no, she should not and should be still responsible for the child, just because she was raped doesn't make murder ok. At this point I wish I had a woman beside me to scream at him for a few hours.

I don't know giving my child up for adoption just seems so rude and irresponsible. I couldn't do it.

As a billion people have told me, if you can't mother a child, don't.

I have to agree. I had a vasectomy when I was 29 because I knew that I would not be a good father because I don't like being around children. Too bad more like me don't make the same choice.

Agree with them? I do not agree with those beliefs, let me make that clear.

So you don't believe in choosing not to have children if you know before hand that you will not be a good parent?

Tell me Madant, was that the first thing that came to your mind upon reading Roman's comment?Yes, because I'm familiar with the demographics of abortion and its disparate impact on blacks. Were it not for abortion, blacks would still be the largest minority group in the US.

Black Holocaust
by Brenda Rucker

In the next two days, more Black people will die in America than during the 100 years of lynching recorded after 1865.

Quietly claiming almost 1500 Black lives every day, a vicious killer is working systematically through our families and communities. Most of us are vaguely aware of its existence, yet it has claimed enough lives to now be the number one cause of death among Black people. Do you know what this killer is?

You might think of AIDS. Or, even cancer and heart disease. Drugs and violence may even come to mind as possibilities. But, the number one killer of African Americans today is abortion, the silent killer that we don’t talk about, publicly or in private.

We do know about it though, because the statistics are almost overwhelming as Black women, in disproportionate numbers, are selecting this option to resolve their issues with unwanted pregnancies.

Statistics released in November 2005 by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reveal over 13 million Black babies have been killed through the process of abortion since 1973, that is 1/3 of our present population, and more than double the number killed during the Jewish holocaust of the 20th century.

Of the estimated 4000 abortions performed in the U.S. daily, Black women receive nearly 1500 of the total, about 37%.

This number is highly disproportionate when you consider Black women only comprise about 12% of the population. These figures may come as a shock to you, but it is a reality in Black America today. http://www.priestsforlife.org/africanamerican/black-holocaust.htmIt wasn't an anti-black statement, it was an anti-abortion statement. 13 million aborted black children! A number greater than 1/3 the number of blacks living in the US today! You don't think that's a staggering number?

Yes, because I'm familiar with the demographics of abortion and its disparate impact on blacks. Were it not for abortion, blacks would still be the largest minority group in the US.

Roman's comments:


Abortion is a good thing. It gets rid of poor babies, from genetically inferior stock.

Your reply:


It especially keeps down the number of black babies:


Do you consider blacks to be of "genetically inferior stock"? And do you think it is a good thing that more black babies are aborted?

Are you pro-abortion if it means weeding out the so called "genetically inferior stock", who, in your opinion and from your posts, constitute the black population of the US, but against it for the opposite supposedly 'superior stock'?

You are either being very glib and trying to avoid an obvious question or you missed the point he was making entirely and fell for his bait by displaying beliefs that should no longer exist in today's society.

I just read your edit. I was questioning your wording when applied to Roman's original statement.

Is it a disturbing figure? Hell yes.

What should be looked at is why their abortion figures are so high, compared to others.

I just read your edit. I was questioning your wording when applied to Roman's original statement.

Is it a disturbing figure? Hell yes.

What should be looked at is why their abortion figures are so high, compared to others.

I think it's because black people have these culture based stigmas that keep them from using condoms. They think only gay people get AIDS and only crazy people see psychiatrists and just bad wrap stuff like that. Many of them need to be educated better about their own health.

I have to agree. I had a vasectomy when I was 29 because I knew that I would not be a good father because I don't like being around children. Too bad more like me don't make the same choice.

seriously??? :eek:

and the doctors did that?? :eek:

but what if you changed your mind, and wanted kids?

So you don't believe in choosing not to have children if you know before hand that you will not be a good parent?

no i dont!!

things change, you change has you get older,

question LA, if you dont agree with a early vestectomy and the more effective contriceptives are all for women currently (the male pill is still in testing) and you think that abortion should only be the choice of women how exactly does a man make a decision if he is ready or not to have kids?

I am fine with either.

question LA, if you dont agree with a early vestectomy and the more effective contriceptives are all for women currently (the male pill is still in testing) and you think that abortion should only be the choice of women how exactly does a man make a decision if he is ready or not to have kids?

http://www.citynews.ca/images/2007-10/durex_pleasurepack1.jpg

they are called condoms,

im sure it was james who said condoms arnt enough, they are only 97% effective (which means if you have sex 100 times they are statistically likly to fail 3 times in that time)

Oh and absitance is a stupid idea, if i told PB i wasnt going to have sex with her for 5 years till we could aford to have kids they would probably find bits of me left all over the state

im sure it was james who said condoms arnt enough, they are only 97% effective (which means if you have sex 100 times they are statistically likly to fail 3 times in that time)

Oh and absitance is a stupid idea, if i told PB i wasnt going to have sex with her for 5 years till we could aford to have kids they would probably find bits of me left all over the state

then you get the male pill if condomns arent enough

or use the withdraw method with a condom, or even. make sure hte woman is on the pill

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and yeah if my other half said that we were not going to have sex for a while i will bite bits of him after 2 days

the male pill doesnt exist, its still being tested

the "withdrawl method" is a myth. the male lubricant contains sperm if he has ejaculated within any sort of reasonable time frame (wether he was concious or not)

so basically the only one of your three suggestions which makes any sence is to relie on someone else. But then if you cant make a decision jointly why would you trust her to take the pill every night?

the male pill doesnt exist, its still being tested

the "withdrawl method" is a myth. the male lubricant contains sperm if he has ejaculated within any sort of reasonable time frame (wether he was concious or not)

so basically the only one of your three suggestions which makes any sence is to relie on someone else. But then if you cant make a decision jointly why would you trust her to take the pill every night?

hang on though if he was wearing a condom then they would both be safe!

yes its true that some women are untruthful about taking the pill, to that i suggest find a new girlfriend one who you can trust

as i keep saying this isnt aimed at PB, i trust her, she IS on the pill and we have already discussed what WE would do if it fails (just for your own infomation she doesnt want to use condoms, she doesnt like them)

My comments are aimed at the people who keep saying that its the mans fault if she gets pregant, she should make the choice by herself with no input from her partner and that he should just pay for the result

as i keep saying this isnt aimed at PB, i trust her, she IS on the pill and we have already discussed what WE would do if it fails (just for your own infomation she doesnt want to use condoms, she doesnt like them)

My comments are aimed at the people who keep saying that its the mans fault if she gets pregant, she should make the choice by herself with no input from her partner and that he should just pay for the result

your right it is not just down to the man if she gets pregnant, and yes some women and men dont like condoms, however then they should use other methods,

and there is also other ways of having sexual contact without full penitrative sex

actually i need to make a thread about the pill, her demotologist wants her to go on a different pill and it would be nice to know if its as effective

of course its going to be really irritating if her test result comes back that she cant get pregant anyway because of polysistic overian syndrom and we have been so careful

seriously??? :eek:

and the doctors did that?? :eek:

but what if you changed your mind, and wanted kids?

Oh they had a long talk with me. The more years that have passed, the more happy I have been with my decision. I am too selfish to have kids. When my wife and I first met and I told her, she was thrilled that I had already had it done, as she does not want kids either. In fact, I seeked out someone that didn't want kids like myself.

Abort.... abort.... abort...............



On another note.......... I think woman shouldn't be sluts...

I mean seriously I do not know about other men... but when ever I see a woman walk around like an f-ing poodle that just snorted coke... I want to punch them in the boob... then be like.... damn..... your an idiot....

Abortion all the way, reduce the amount of suffering in the world and add one less mouth to it, so the rest of us have a little bit more to eat and work with, with just a few less (hundred million) people suffering decreases and happiness increases.

Also its 100% the women choice what to do, not the mans. Yes this sucks for men, but maybe we should not have sex with prolife-ers.

Abort.... abort.... abort...............



On another note.......... I think woman shouldn't be sluts...

I mean seriously I do not know about other men... but when ever I see a woman walk around like an f-ing poodle that just snorted coke... I want to punch them in the boob... then be like.... damn..... your an idiot....

Men can be promiscuous, but women can't?

Die. Just die.

Did I say that?


Woman can be as promiscuous as they want.... to me sluts are the ones that flaunt it..... it applies to both men and woman... but I am male so therefore do not like it in woman.....



Oh sure.... they are sexually appealing.... because you think hmm.. maybe they'll spread their legs for me... but in reality.... they are hollow.... and who wants to F a rotted out tree???? Hmmm???

.... the male lubricant contains sperm if he has ejaculated within any sort of reasonable time frame (wether he was concious or not)....

so he was erect and ejaculating while unconscious but managed to get a condom on???

....her test result comes back that she cant get pregant anyway because of polysistic overian syndrom and we have been so careful

wow, she has pcos? That sucks. A friend of mine does as well. She never wanted kids and now that she finds out she may never be able too, she wants too. She's fuzzy too.

orleander what HIM are your refering to?

orleander what HIM are your refering to?

I don't think I referred to any HIM. What HIM are you referring to?? :shrug:

this:


so he was erect and ejaculating while unconscious but managed to get a condom on???

what are you talking about?

....the male lubricant contains sperm if he has ejaculated within any sort of reasonable time frame (wether he was concious or not)...

:shrug: asguard, I quoted you, so I guess the HIM I am talking about is the HE you are talking about.

So again,

'so he was erect and ejaculating while unconscious but managed to get a condom on???'

Abortion is murder. Period. It is unacceptable in all of its instances.

so when is abortion murder? is it murder if you don't ejaculate in her vagina, because otherwise she might have produced a child that would've been glad to be alive?

murder is a legal concept, and it is not murder obviously.

i dont get why exactly your talking about a condom. I didnt say anything about condoms.

OHH, hang on, i was talking about "wet dreams", the pressure valve for the testicals (mans version of a period actually)

I think abortion should be illegal unless it is the outcome of rape, If you are having sex then you know the risks that are involved. If you do not wish to get pregnant then you know what to avoid doing, having an abortion is a lazy, heartless type of contraception nowdays.

Its all good and well saying "but it's a womans choice it is her body" this does not mean I am allowed to do anything with my body in society that results in the death of another person. What if I wanted to use my body to stop another persons chance of living by punching them in the throat until the neck broke?. It's my body I can do what I want with it and so what if it kills another person thats alright with me?.

A woman should not have the power to decide if her child lives or dies, she does not have that power over another human individual life parent or not. Say I wanted to kill my daughter because I decided the responsibility was too much would that be accepted?, Yes the child is not fully developed inside the womb, a little baby is not a fully developed human either until it has passed puberty.


There is a much better way to not get pregnant, don't have sex if you are not ready for the reality of the outcomes it can have. If 2 people have intercourse and produce a baby I think they have the responsibility of taking care of there dirty work, both of them not just the woman.

Where I live in london this situation has become so out of hand it is disgusting, do you know how many young teenage girls go into health centers for abortions?. They don't care about responsibility anymore because they have an easy way out, they know the government will bail them out free of charge every single time they open their legs like little sluts. Many girls here have had like 3-4 aortions when they are only like 14-16 yers old, they know full well they are able to get rid of the baby without any problem, also without the parents knowing which I think is not honourable. If a child who is that young trys to get an abortion her parents should be told of this so they can punish her accordingly.

When those little sluts are over the age of 16-17 then they finaly stop having abortions, and keep a baby or 2 so they can get a free council flat/house from the government. The laws and modern systems do nothing to stop this kind of behaviour, the laws encourage people to be little sluts with no ambition in life other than breed and kill the babies, until your ready to keep a baby and get a free house for being a little tramp.



If I ran this country there would be no welfare or benefit schemes giving tax payers money to whores and scumbags, everybody would have to take full responsibility for there own actions. If you want an abortion then do it yourself at home, maybe that will give you the reality of what you are actualy doing, when you scrape that life form out of your womb with a coat hanger and catch an infection. No free rides would be allowed, you either be a productive member of my society and take responsibility for your own actions or My government would ship you out to sea and see how you fend for yourself without the help of my country.

All hail king Chi. the fair exalted one.

peace.

I think abortion should be illegal unless it is the outcome of rape, ....

Then all a woman would have to do is claim it was rape, get the abortion, then recant her rape story so the man wouldn't be charged with rape. And then they all live happily in a gingerbread house.


...this does not mean I am allowed to do anything with my body in society that results in the death of another person.

Since when did a bunch of cells become a "person"?

Baron Max

Then all a woman would have to do is claim it was rape, get the abortion, then recant her rape story so the man wouldn't be charged with rape. And then they all live happily in a gingerbread house.

Then she should be forced to go through with the rape case in court, any woman found abusing the system should get a heavy jail term. If a woman is found guilty of lying about being raped she should get the same sentence as a rapist, 10 years should do the job.





Since when did a bunch of cells become a "person"?

What makes a person then?. ability to reason?, ability to express pain and emotion?. what about all the retarded handicapped people who suffer from an illness that makes them more like an undeveloped baby?. what if those people could not accomplish and feel what regular people feel am I allowed to go and bust a clip in there heads?


peace.

Then she should be forced to go through with the rape case in court, ...

Court cases usually take years to ever make it to court. So would you force her to have the baby, even if later it was proved that she was, in fact, raped?


What makes a person then?

When it's born perfect and healthy.

Baron Max

Court cases usually take years to ever make it to court. So would you force her to have the baby, even if later it was proved that she was, in fact, raped?

Did not seem to take that long when they gave me jail time, ok if the woman claims rape then she can abort the baby. Then she must see the court case out and if the person is found guilty of rape then all is fine, if the guy is found not guilty then she gets a jail sentence.




When it's born perfect and healthy.

So again do I have the right to kill people who are not fully developed and healthy?. should I be allowed to go around and play angel of death to anybody who I do not see fit as a developed human?. It can be like a modern day Sparta and any retarded undeveloped human I see I can end his/her existence due to the logic of pro abortions.

peace.

I think this thread has a gotten a bit off topic. All I wanted to know was if you could give your child up for adoption, since a lot of people think it's an obvious alternative to abortion, but I could never give my child up for adoption and a lot of the women I asked said they couldn't do it either. So I wanted to know if others here felt the same way. If you don't believe in abortion then you would give a baby you couldn't care for or did not want up for adoption, right?

I would probably have an abortion before giving it up for adoption. One is a mass of cells, the other is a full term child.

I think this thread has a gotten a bit off topic. All I wanted to know was if you could give your child up for adoption, since a lot of people think it's an obvious alternative to abortion, but I could never give my child up for adoption and a lot of the women I asked said they couldn't do it either. So I wanted to know if others here felt the same way. If you don't believe in abortion then you would give a baby you couldn't care for or did not want up for adoption, right?


this is a though one, but you have to ask yourself if you don't want an abortion and don't think you are ready to raise a child what else can u do than adoption.
You say that you could never give up your child but how fair is it to the child when you start blaming your child with the mistakes you made of acident on your behalve.
Believe me I Know a few people that been in that situation and in the beginning everything is fine but as time goes by they became more resentfull about the child blaming it for everything that went wrong in there life.
How fair is it to the child to discover that our parents don't really love you? would it then not be better to give your child to someone that truly loves him/her and that you know that they will have a happy life?


Btw i myself have 4kids.

I think this thread has a gotten a bit off topic. All I wanted to know was if you could give your child up for adoption, since a lot of people think it's an obvious alternative to abortion, but I could never give my child up for adoption and a lot of the women I asked said they couldn't do it either. So I wanted to know if others here felt the same way. If you don't believe in abortion then you would give a baby you couldn't care for or did not want up for adoption, right?

Well, just because you and your friends feel that way doesn't mean that others do or should.

Giving a baby up for adoption does NOT mean that it will be adopted ...OR... that it will have a great life. Many adopted kids have damned tough lives, and some are even abused, and some are even killed.

Adoption is NOT the rosey picture that people seem to try to paint.

Baron Max

Answer my rebuttle ass prodder.

pece.

Well, just because you and your friends feel that way doesn't mean that others do or should.

Giving a baby up for adoption does NOT mean that it will be adopted ...OR... that it will have a great life. Many adopted kids have damned tough lives, and some are even abused, and some are even killed.

Adoption is NOT the rosey picture that people seem to try to paint.

Baron Max

I didn't say everyone felt that way. I actually thought I was one of the few because people always turn on me when I say that I wouldn't be able to give my child up for adoption, even if my circumstances weren't great, I wouldn't be able to do it. I was surprised when I heard other people felt the way I did. The foster care system sucks I know that second hand. But even if I found a family who wanted my baby, I still wouldn't be able to do it. It doesn't sit right with me.