I believe there are aliens that are here on earth possibly mixing in the general public or the government is containg them in an unknown area on secret military facilities.

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everything is not what it
appears to be

Very true, from what I've read. They used to be working in an underground lab at area 51, and had a strict rule about not allowing firearms in their area, as the story goes. One security guy came in with his, possibly to test their resolve, and they made it clear that he should stop. He kept on going, and died of a head wound. A group of MPs then came in, and they all died of head wounds. They probably decided to break off relations after that. So, I doubt we could contain them against their will.

YOU GUYS watch too much tv and movies. Like the same under ground bunker in Independent Day.

I for one have not doubt that there are "persons" from other worlds living with us in this reality, on our world...
And why not ?....
This point of view has nothing to do with watching to much t.v. and the like, all you have to do is pick up any decent books on the subject(s), read ancient history etc..
Its there for the taking !

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You are exactly right, Bottica!!!
I am so glad you have not left the forum
LOL
Later,
Flash

Tell me !
For once I can discuss subjects that are close to my heart, with fellow human beings that have knowledge on the matter...for sure I will follow this site !


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Bottica
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The Problem with History is that its all up to debate as to what actually happened..

Is a Cave drawing of a man with a big head a "Gray"? or was the artist 4 years old playing with daddy Ughgug's paint?

Probelm is we will never know..



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Ok, maybe for say, fun... do a research on
this..you will find there is more to it
than drawings of aliens.
Flash

Thats just cold..

I have done research, In fact I was once a true beliver in UFO's, Aliens, Most things actually. It was doing the research that changed my opinion.

Let me say two things off the *.bat here.

1. There is a strong chance that the earth has been visited by Aliens.
2. There is a strong chance that most information regarding these visits are, in a nutshell, bunk.

I see web sites dedicated to "How the Grays will save the Human Race". I see web sites dedicated to "How the Grays will enslave the Human race". I read books saying "I was abducted" I read other books saying "I was abducted and it was nothing like whats in that other guys book". I read old UFO books and there is no mention of the "Grays" I read new books on UFO's and Nothing is said of Some of the Old style Aliens.

Its time people stop beliving everything and start from sqare one.


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Sorry, did not mean to be cold. Thing
is you will believe what you want..just
as I. Yours based on research ect...
I know what I know. Nothing can change
that.

Believe or not believe in "Gray's" presence on Earth. Exciting the numbers of the window in UFO's craft or the sexual harassement on the UFO's board.
I am not exited by such aproach to the Aliens problem.
The numbers of documented contacts for the last 50 years, allow me to say: YES, THEY ARE EXIST AMONG US. WE ARE NOT ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE. And then, what can I do with such knowledge? I think, that the best thing is to watch the world from new point of view - We are not the best creatures in the universe, someone much more clever is watching us and probably there are a quite big number of our potential new friends waiting among the stars. I am sure that the Aliens will remain hidden till we change our approach to ourself, other people, the nature, etc.
The first step to this change is to start fill the member of the universe comunity.

ALIENS DO NOT LIVE ON OUR PLANET.Get real. The main characteristic of a rumour is that it spreads quickly and it grows to unbelievable proportions.If i spread the word that ,for example, I've seen a strange bug in my cup of tea and I couldn't recognize it, in a couple of years it would grow into a debate 'Were bug spies actualy
SENT wrom planet Wossname, or was it a project of our government that was being tested on us before sending to deep space'.
Don't get me wrong, I believe in existance of extraterrestrials, I believe that they have visited us long ago (but have seen that we're a walking disaster and left in a hurry :) ), but enough is enough.Anyway, if anyone wishes to discuss it post a reply or e-mail me at jivan@EUnet.yu

Just because an alien has introduced themselves to you doesn't mean they are
not visiting others today. You have a
right to your opinion just as others do.
As you know, an opinion does not mean
it is fact.

meant to say, Just because an alien
has not introduced theirself to you...

Ivan,

You claim that aliens do not live here? You must be careful not to make such general conclusions.

As Dr. Riley points out, we are all weakened by our own ability to distory reality, and I would caution you and ask you to consider the fact that the aliens have distorted your reality.

Oh, and if you continue to find bugs in your tea, then you must take care to do the dishes more often

gentlemen, I have registered with this page out of interest and much to my dismay I find that your topics are quite boring and your arguments repetetive.

Hello !

I think this is the point of having a site where you can discuss and express yourself.

Sometimes if may it be boring or out of wack to others reading your post...but it is a place where you can EXPRESS yourself freely...


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I think that this place is repetive also..

But since this group just started under a week ago Its customary to break the ice with the dull repetive stuff and get it out of the way..

Only then we can move on to discussing Important things like my cool party trick that freaks out X-files fans.. but we are not at that point yet..



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Would be interested in learning one of those "cool" party tricks....

That is once we get to that point...!

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Bottica
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Hi All,

I wish I could find a picture of a lady that works for NASA, and headed up the last mission that John Glenn was part of. She attended a press conference with John, and I saw her on TV. I tell you what, if this lady isn't at LEAST a hybrid, I'll eat my shorts. She was small, thin, stringy blond hair, no boobs to speak of, and her face looked exactly like a grey. She looked like a grey with a blond wig on. I probably wouldn't have even noticed, except for the fact that she was working for the space program. Irony? I think not. I also would bet good money that NASA is not the only place that we will see these alien hybrids; also look in the govt, church, schools, and other areas of science. They WILL (their sole purpose is to) usher in the Antichrist, and support his rise to power. Time is short people, so keep those peepers open to what is happening. There is a definate connection between aliens and the Antichrist. I know that most of you think I'm full of shit, but just humor me enough to keep an open mind. And remember that God loves you, and so do I!

Lori

Humm... maybe she was just anorexic, with a bad hair day, and loosy makeup ???
Nah, If you say she looked like a Grey...I sure then would like to see what she looked liked on t.v. !..You know, you just may have a point there..It would be worth looking into it further...

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Bottica
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Like you all, I believe. I am still skeptical about people who absolutely know that greys are among us, or that some ugly lady from NASA must be an alien. We do not know anything.

We are dealing with little to no fact, and discussions like the one that is happening here only serve to fuel the rumors. What we must do is sit back and look at the hard evidence. When we look at new information, do not look for signs of alien life. Look at it to find the truth, not your truth.

Want to discuss further? I am available at ufo@idcomm.com

As a serious researcher who investigates local UFO sightings I have plenty of eyewitness testimonies to unusual craft(especially near the local military base). Unfortunately the only evidence for alien contact has been from people whose credibility I would have to question. Having said that I keep an open mind but I've yet to be totally convinced. Until someone can give me undeniable proof I'll concentrate on UFO sightings.

Ask yourselves what is the meaning of life.
You talk of aliens and weird stuff and fail to recognise where we appeared from. Think about man's quest to find the answer to humanity, so far it is all speculation as to where we evolved, or did we evolve. Speculate on this - as all life is only speculation, like god - what if we did not evolve but was created. Aliens look upon us as an experiment. We are the hybrids of the ape families, we did not evolve. Aliens visit earth to keep a watchful eye on a failed experiment, all they are waiting for is for mankind to wipe itself out, then they are no longer responsible for us, after all what are we becoming, a greedy, selfish race who cares more for money than human life, you have only to look at the news for that. We are murderers in one sense or another, that is what I call a failed experiment, of course it is only speculation like everything else - are there aliens? is their a god?

See? More "fruits"; a turning away from our true Creator.

I am willing to learn to change.

Lori,
You talk about fruits..and turning away
from God...BUT... Some of these "fruits"
produced by aliens are peace and love...
If someone offered to help you..they protected you..would you question that???
I know, you feel as if someone being too
nice is something to be questioned...but
I do not see it that way. If God was real..
and he thought this was a bad thing..then
why would he not protect us?? Why would he
not warn the ones being abducted???? I am
sorry to say..and it may sound like I am
being a bitc* (probably due to lack of
coffee :) ) but, there is more protection
from aliens than there is god..they have
chosen to make theirselves real to others
...and in that they are helping others.
It is only logical to listen to them and
learn from them. Keep an open mind, ok?

Lori,
I thought you had an open mind.
There is more proof on the existance of extraterrestrial life than there is on some sole creator, so religion loses.
I spent two years listening to a Jehova's witness to realise that the bible contradicts itself too many times and guess what, he gave up in the end, and I thought they were persistant.

I do try to keep an open mind. No evidence of God? Maybe you're not looking in the right places? I have evidence...touchy, feely and unsharable, but in my heart and my life none the less. The Bible is full of contradictions unless you're reading it with the right intent in your heart. I can't stand saying this stuff to you because I know you're laughing, right? It's the truth, though. And really, the Bible's contradictions can be thoroughly explained, and have been. Maybe your Jehovah's witness didn't try hard enough?

whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Bible's contradictions can be fully
explained????????????????????????

How so????????

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What contradictions?????? LMAO

cute real cute :-(

As Lori speaketh/writeth:

The Bible is full of contradictions unless you're reading it with the right intent in your heart

That is a nice evasion. That is like saying that cartoons are educational if you know how to extract the morals from each of them.

No, what I can't understand about religion is how we are supposed to accept the teachings of the bible because people say "trust the word" without evidence, and change your life because of that.

Maybe we should all sign up for the psychic friends network, and follow the bliss that they prescribe for us there too.

Lori, and the others,

How do you account for pre-biblical civilizations on Earth? Where is the framework for an explanation.

Given that the Bible is not the first book written on this planet, how can we be expected to act on the teachings of that book? Maybe the earlier peoples had a better way of understanding the universe than scaring and intimidating followers?

Hey, can you see what are you talking about? Someone can say that the God's subject is "little bid" far from Alien's one. But in the other hand these two themes have some common aspects.
- In both cases we often (in media) hear: "I saw UFO/Angel/God", but we never had such experience.
- In both cases we treat the people who "saw" very suspiciously.
- In both cases we fill that behind the answer of the questions: Do God/Ufo really exist? stays the foundations of the sense of our live.
Nobody can get the sence of his live as a gift, so you will never get the material proof of God/Ufo existence. Even if you met with Grey's, you would never be sure in 100%. The Greys will clean your memory, your friends will make an effords to bring you back to normal people, and goverment will tell: "you are crazy". Every these group has its own busines to do such a thing. The Goverment for example will do every thing to make the Alien's problem less serious. Why I concern that? People who don't afraid to disscuss with other about fundamental matters, ask to themselves and trying find out the explanations, can become more independent from media, politics and etc. It's more easy to control the bahaviour of the "consumption community" then the group of people who can think independently.
Coming back to my subject - Lets imagine: Your neighbour claim "Yestarday I met with Grey's" - can you believe him? And the last question - what will you do with your open but empty mind if you will not see any flash of UFO on the sky to the rest of your live?

Ivan Kruk,
I apologise for drifting off the track with religion as I see no real connection between a god and aliens. Unfortunately none of my neighbours have seen any greys to date, but I would find it of interest if they had, you see an open is a mind that is not empty it allows you to absorb information so that you can reflect upon it and try to come to some sort of conclusion, a closed mind is empty because it refuses to accept any information offered.
Greys walk the earth, but only in military confines, allegedly.

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Dear Generalhurrss,
I used the "open mind" expression for the special case when someone collecting data (for example connected with Aliens) and no event is enought (in his opinion) to evoke the true reflection and conclusions about the whole matter. In some cases such conclusions may crush his prevaling philosophy of live. It appear dangerously, so he decide to further search the more real data. - I think it's never will happend.
Reffering to Aliens in military bases - I concern that they haven't any connections with military power on earth.

Ivan Kruk,
The only aliens in military bases are those that are captured and dissected by our primitive race, I didn't mean in the concept of having an influence on our military forces or supplying them with the data for military technology, after all don't these extraterrestrials come in peace - wrong planet if they won't peace -.
On the subject of 'aliens amongst us' I would have to agree with 'double overdrive'. What alien in their right mind would want to live amongst a disgusting race like humans? I can understand the fact that they would visit the earth and offer a message of some kind, even though it is only to chosen people like 'Billy Meier', but to actually be in the crowd, so to speak, why!?
Oh and while your here, 'double overdrive' I have heard the theory of greys being our future, a concept worth thinking about, nothing is impossible.

Jeffery Goines,

Check out the post called Biblical evidence of a pre-Adam civilization. I forget what topic it's listed under, but it's out there. This is a very intruiging point of view. Also, keep in mind that WE assume that the Bible is saying that we were first here, and no one came before. That may not be the case, and probably isn't, based upon what we know about archeology. See there, close-mindedness. I try to take a different approach to this topic than the same blah, blah religious dogma. Humans have interpreted the Bible, not God. That's why I said that it's best when you have the help of His Holy Spirit. Otherwise your ego will get in the way and ruin it all, just like it has for soooooo many so called Christians in the past. You know, those you can not stand because they're so self-righteous and judgemental, and go around praying to God for Mercedes Benz? And may I point out that some of you out here don't seem to be "thrilled" with the world around you today. Why is that? What went wrong? Do you ever stop to think about that? I'll ask you guys once again...is there an absolute right and wrong? Or is everything just relative, and according to what is most convenient for us? Are there spiritual laws that govern our lives, just as there are natural laws that govern the world we live in? Did we make up these laws, did the aliens (ha!), or are we the ones who are always pushing the envelope in the name of money, lust, greed, sloth, and all of those other sins (yea, I said sins; don't you just hate that!).

Humans on this planet are like children playing in a sandbox which has suddenly become too small due to growth. Until people learn to "chill out", learn tolerance for differant belief systems, we are doomed to be stuck in that sandbox. I believe aliens are like the older siblings watching from across the yard, waiting for the little ones to mature. Hoping that they don't wreck the sandcastle on the way out of the sandbox.
I believe they are watching us and to some extent "involved" with us here in our own backyard. I worry that the bullies and the brats amoung us humans will ruin it all for us. Yet I often am reminded of the good in all of us and the yearning we all have for that "something more".
I think the aliens are hoping that we can win our game in the ninth inning. They are just waiting to see if we hit a home run before they congratulate us and I feel they will be there to pickup the pieces if we strike out.

I happen to be an alien.
And, contrary to what's been said here, we do actually like it here.
And yes, we are watching you.
But don't worry.

There's nothing you can do about it.
So why worry?

Clark,
You said it man. That's pretty good speculating.
If chuckles is an alien then this sites been rumbled, but aliens don't live among us they just come here for entertainment, like the romans and their arenas. Anyone wish to fight a lion today?

That's a nice story, Clark. All you have to do is add a couple of cute kids, and you'd have a movie. You could call it "E.T.", and sell t-shirts and action figures. Sorry, couldn't resist. LOL

Hello,

I am very new to this group and new to the UFO visitation/abduction/etc. dialogue. It seems to me to make very much sense that we are not alone in the universe, especially considering its size and the number of possible planets. The question I would like to see addressed is this. If aliens have visited or are visiting how have they gotten here.

The distances between galaxies are tremendous. Now I am not proposing that traveling great distances very quickly is not possible (just not with existing human science right now). I would just like to listen to some theories on how Alien technologies accomplish this.

I am familiar with the Bob Lazar Area 51 back engineering story. His concepts of "gravity wave" propolsion systems and the use of the theoretical element 115 are interesting. Are there any other propolsion theories?

DragonMage,
(what is your thac0 by the way? ;-) )
Go to the Astroscience->General Space thread and look in the 'With regard to space access tech' and 'interstellar travel' subthreads.

One thing is certain if one travels through normal space from one galaxy to an other and want to do this in a year time (this is possible due to relativistic effects), this would take about the energy that the sun produces in a minute. How this immense power is harnassed is beyond me. On the other hand if, somehow one doesn't travel along the normal paths of space things could go a lot easier... (don't ask me how you do it though)

Uuh..."Chuckles"

I noticed that you admit to being an alien. If this is true please visit the "Thread" that discusses interstellar travel. We are all wrapped up in black holes, slip streams, and the like. I think you could "lighten" the conversation (just a bit)

By the way, next time your out "gala-venting" (happily escaping)the cosmos, can you give me a lift to the system surrounding the star "Sirius B"
I could give you a little money for gas. (LoL,LoL,tee-hee,tee-hee)

Clark,
I don't know if you believe in telepathy, but when I was thinking about the answer for generalhurrss's notice, I found the very similar example to your one. Maybe this is the proof, that our idea is correct.

To DragonMage,
Let ask Chuckles, he should know every details about the travels from one galaxy to an other .

Ivan,
Yes, I believe in telepathy. Although I feel most of us on the planet have telepathic potential, only some of us are gifted with the ability to exercise it.
I believe the aliens snooping around our
little blue ball certainly have the ability
to some extent and are maybe attracted to those of us who are "in tune" with ourselves
and where we fit in with nature.
If we "think" really hard maybe a "real alien" will stop by with a few words of wisdom for us...or if not...maybe Chuckles can give us a few good intersteller one liners ! lol.

Travelling around the galaxy is indeed possible, even if one's lifetime per body is measured only in the hundreds of years.

It involves the transfer of energy from the future in order to modulate local inertia. At about this moment in your history, you already possess all the pieces of this puzzle. It's just that nobody has, as yet, put them together in a convincingly demonstrable way.

It's just a matter of time, if you'll excuse the terrible pun.

ChucklesA,

You mean to say you 're draining the energy away from the future ? As if the universe isn't winding down enough by itself ! Talking about investing in the future, this looks more as environmental vampirism on a kosmological scale to me !
No thank you for that kind of engine !

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Plato,

Thank you very much for the information about where to discuss propolsion systems. It seems like you and few others have some very scholarly information on the subject.

As for Chuckles, your ideas are interesting my dear alien but can you answer a couple of questions.

First, referencing the "stealing of energy" from the future, how do you deal with the imbalance of the remaining energy in the future (since thermodynamics tells us that the amount of energy in the universe tends to remain constant) and what about the concept of quantum tunneling?

Second, what are these components which are needed?

I look forward to your response.

Oh and Plato, by the way, can you give some good didactic websites on field theory, and M-theory?

"First, referencing the "stealing of energy" from the future, how do you deal with the imbalance of the remaining energy in the future (since thermodynamics tells us that the amount of energy in the universe tends to remain constant)".

Precisely. Energy is indeed conserved. But this statement refers to any instant in time. Your thermodynamics makes no sum over all instants, so we are both correct.

"and what about the concept of quantum tunneling?"

Well, I like them on toast with a piece of cheese. Yummy. Or did you have something more specific in mind?

"Second, what are these components which are needed?"

Ah, now, we don't go in for extreme hand-holding, I'm afraid..


I can tell you that the successful M-theory will not be discovered by Witten himself, but by someone who is presently a teenager. It will involve an optimisation on a function comprising both the number of dimensions required to describe the brane (M), and the resultant dimensionality of the natural space emergent from this brane, consistent with your local spacetime.

Clowns always did freak me out! LMAO!

Clowns always did freak me out! LMAO!

That sounded much better the second time, huh? LMAO!

ChucklesA,

You theory seems to me unlogically for some certain aspects:
1. Why to travel from one star to another on traditional way (acording to light way) if you can bend the spacetime enought to get the connection with the future? If you possess such possibilities, let make the connection directly with destination of the travel!
2. What for do you need the energy from future? To get the bended spacetime, the hudge quantities of energy are required. If you already have got such bended spacetime, the traveling become much easier .
3. I think, that our (west) civilization is impending to its end. Every events are talking to me that after the next 30 years, some miserable scraps of our civilization will only remain and no one will have the possibilities to create and check the new theories of the spacetime.
But don't worry 30 years is a plenty of time.

Plato remarks:
"You mean to say you 're draining the energy away from the future ? As if the universe isn't winding down enough by itself !
Talking about investing in the future, this looks more as environmental vampirism on a kosmological scale to me ! No thank you for that kind of engine !"

My dear Plato: has it occurred to you that the reason that the universe is "winding down" may be related to my description of the engine?

This is a long path to tread. One must confront head-on concepts such as anthropy and causality. The effect on one's mind will not, it is to be hoped, be akin to that which befell poor Mr. Cantor when he went insane partly as a result of playing around with infinite sets of infinite sets. That way may lie madness.

It's best to take baby steps.

I've been to the Vortex in Wanaque, and I can testify that I not only got pictures of the Orbs at the Vortex, but I also have been visited at home and on the job by them. They "stick to you" observing you ongoing, if you visit. People who use drugs or alcohol should not go there, as there is a side effect that effects those who are not clean and dry...

don

To Don Bosco:

This vortex -- could you please tell us all where it is? Exactly?

I'd kinda like to get a webcam set up there.
!!!!!

OPEN MINDS AND SERIOUS INVESTIGATORS now everybody is "serious" (yeah right) people who doesn't have knowledge of what implies a real and professional investigations use to say that. Any resarch can be scientific but not professional. Generalizations of these findings could be manipulate seems as "vality and confiability". We need to know about descriptive and inferencial statistics to determine the validity and confibiability of the reasearch. Please, don't beleive in every thing you read just because the author has a PHD or are a "professional dr". A real research it's a real hard work not many persons can execute without experimental errors.
An open mind implies the analysis of new and different ideas USING THE PARAMETERS. Everybody has the right to have their own ideas(civil rights) but the main difference it's the criteria. Remember the hypothetical ideas or conclusion must explain the real phenomena. In these days these sense of logic and be in reality seems very confuse with all these wacky "intelectual statements". Honestly now I'm more confuse than ever about "extraterretial life among us". In one hand, some believe in the greys,etc they don't look like us. Others talk about "have a grey inside you" and others talk about aliens who looks like humans. I don't see any sense in the first two (maybe in the ones looks like us ).
About abductions, etc must be careful with this. Our mind has the ability to create and recreate "histories" (confabulation). Maybe it's starting to develop a new (or at least never identifiying before) mental disorder. It's not true that any person can see an ufo or have a contact with aliens. These persons has a "psychological profile in comon".

Hi
I kinda like this forum. Although you do have a tendency to go wide from the topic. Aliens among us- remember? IF aliens are here now what would they want? FROM US? Now suppose that they are friendly- they could approach us, and watch our society crumble. Now some say that we are big kids now and that we can handle it. But which ones of you will go to work tomorrow, knowing that everything you KNOW has been turned upside down.? In just a matter of a year- ALL of our technology would be gone. No more OIL industry, STEEL industry,... do you really want to but that car- knowing that in a year or so we will be into something so much better? The changes that we would go through would be everything. Not to mention all the numbnuts who would take advantage of the situation and riot and loot. Now if they were bad guys- why would they screw around? Except that maybe we are easier to control this way. How many people disappeared last year. Where are they? It is so much easier to control people who don't know they are being controlled. Either way- does it really matter? Me I'm just in it for the search.
Peace ramonth

ok this is a long posting and i have several areas i would like to bring up.Some of you know where im coming from once again but for you newbies i have several years of experience with contacts. My wife is a medium and aliens have used her as a conduit but they told me nothing of major importance and are actually very deceptive.
my points are in order from posts:
1. As for agenda....let me ask...which species? Youve got the Grey..Reptilian..Light Being(Wanaque Reservoir,NJ..Subterraneans..Nordics..and there are many others as 2 others i met have no name. Greys are here to protect us from the Reptilian faction.. Ia also believe light beings are here for good as well though they only observe..Nordics are also good..and not much is known about Subterraneans. My 2nd point goes back to deception....aliens are very deceptive I was given a date of July 26 2000 for alien invasion by a species but that date came and went with no event lol so there you go.Aliens can come and go and appear in any form they so desire if an animal lover they can appear as a deer..if a child they may appear as a child etc etc.
2. As for someones comment that theres no such thing as no underground complexes you are gravely mistaken and better wake up and pull your head out of the sand. One is FEMA HQ an underground bunker {similar to Independence Day) outside Wa DC FEMA has authority to override the president in martial law but thats another forum...Then theres NORAD an underground complex inside a mountain in WY Area 51 also has inside mountain compounds as seen from satellite photos so wake up!!!! the concept of underground or inside mountain compounds is not unfathomable. Let me tell say theory had it the Reptilians lived in an underground compound in Dulce,NM. Wanaque Reservoir is another one, Weed,Ca inside Mt Shasta is also another proposed spot as well as location in Australia, and the mountains in NM.
3. As for planetary mysteries and cave paintings thats not all like Flash said, look at the pyramids,Sphinx,Easter Island, Stonehenge, Cydonia, Nazca Plains, Colombus also had logs on his ship where he reported lights in the sky moving rapidly and crossing the ocean, Look at the original Mona Lisa, The disappearing tribes IE...Annasazi and the Mayan civilizations. There have also been paintings found throughout France,Egypt,Iraq and others of cave paintings. then theres other areas such as cryptozoology,crop circles,cattle mutilations,abductions which are my specialty. If you tie these all together you will see the big picture which iam still tying together.
4. Then you ask why are they here? There are many species and many ideas.
A. If aliens created mna wouldnt they want to check on their species to see how they are getting on especially if they were becoming a threat to the galaxy...ie..atomic bomb,planetary destruction which could throw the planet out of alignment through polar shift which could endanger the other planets which if i was living on another planet i would be concerned. Also, statistics have shown that ufo sightings and abductions picked up after the atomic bomb testings started and the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
B. Another thought what if a species saw humans as a rogue slave species which they could manipulate to their desire. Far-fetched yes but just a thought.
C. What if they need resources, Earth has plenty...many sightings have included soil and water testings and power drawing or resources drawing into the ships.
D.Then comes my favorite....A species is dying off and is using the humans in a hybrid program to help there species thrive through genetic manipulation and abduction. Many women are being used in this project as my wife is also an abductee, with much missing time(3 days amnesia) missing fetus' and alien dream activity, also explain awaking with unidentified scars and bruises appearing overnight.
5. About the bible, I for one dont condone it as iam a witch but i wont bash on any other religion being in the army we fight for freedom of religion and speech for all, everyone has there right to opinion and speech and thats what we are fighting for...supposedly though i get discriminated against constantly for being a iwtch, anyway, about the bible..look in Ezekiel..Ezekiels Wheel, look at Moses and burning bush and many other chapters.
6. As for someones comment on telepethy, yes anyone has power to use it though small number know how, Telepethy,Telekinesis,healing etc is all left-brain ability accessed by anyone through meditation the normal human is right-brained but some--those with high iq's are left brained as well...ie Einstein. This is not a new concept.

Well ive spoken enough lol any questions can be posted to me or emailed iam back and will not be leaving. Take care all and where are you Flash..H-kon..DaveW...Lori...Oxygen...BigC...Dexter

Love and Light,
Eric and Michelle




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Eric Cooper