For just about every reason we can imagine, durability, adiabatic quality, or resistance to electromagnetic fields, it is a good idea to have a substantial layer or layers of aluminum surrounding especially homes and electronics oriented businesses these days. It is possible to essentially layer a Faraday Cage around our homes then use an artificially faced material to cover over it all. To completely shield a home against EMP's friction seal shutters of aluminum would also be needed at openings. The problem in protecting against electromagnetism is that it can flow around objects it can't pass through, to some degree.

Aluminum layers alternated with paper can increase thermal isolation abiliity of such a layer. Grounded and your electronics would be safe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage

I've worked around these in electronics. The very best are copper lined rooms with copper lined doors and no windows. What's to say we couldn't add LCD HI Def screens in place of windows?

Are you trying to put tin foil hat sellers out of business?

For just about every reason we can imagine, durability, adiabatic quality, or resistance to electromagnetic fields, it is a good idea to have a substantial layer or layers of aluminum surrounding especially homes and electronics oriented businesses these days. It is possible to essentially layer a Faraday Cage around our homes then use an artificially faced material to cover over it all. To completely shield a home against EMP's friction seal shutters of aluminum would also be needed at openings. The problem in protecting against electromagnetism is that it can flow around objects it can't pass through, to some degree.

Aluminum layers alternated with paper can increase thermal isolation abiliity of such a layer. Grounded and your electronics would be safe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage

I've worked around these in electronics. The very best are copper lined rooms with copper lined doors and no windows. What's to say we couldn't add LCD HI Def screens in place of windows?

Reside in an environment with no natural daylight?

That might be more harmful than the effects you are protecting against although it may be useful for some applications.

What about the electromagnetic fields being generated by the technology in our own homes?

Are you trying to put tin foil hat sellers out of business?

Ha! My thinking exactly!



Reside in an environment with no natural daylight?

That might be more harmful than the effects you are protecting against although it may be useful for some applications.

What about the electromagnetic fields being generated by the technology in our own homes?

The fields emanating from the computer where he entered his fear of fields. You can hear them if you place a multi band radio near your PC, like a shortwave, and they extend quite a ways away from the processor. Plus it would seem a little late to get squeamish about irradiation at his age.

Someone known for aluminum skinned structures would be Buckminster Fuller, with his geodesic domes of yore:

http://buckminster.info/Pics/Icosahedra/Icos-Dome-Self-Chilling-Ghana.jpg

This one ended up being called a "chilling machine" because when the skin heats up it causes air currents to circulate through the vents.

http://buckminster.info/Pics/Icosahedra/Icos-Dome-Self-Chilling-Ghana.jpg

This one ended up being called a "chilling machine" because when the skin heats up it causes air currents to circulate through the vents.

What a brilliant design for a tinfoil hat!

What a brilliant design for a tinfoil hat!

Except I'm not sure if the head of the guy in question would fit under it!

But he'd probably feel safer, once he welded those nasty vents shut.

But how would he get out? :eek:

HEY: Don't forget your shovel!

Reside in an environment with no natural daylight?

That might be more harmful than the effects you are protecting against although it may be useful for some applications.

What about the electromagnetic fields being generated by the technology in our own homes?

Generally speaking we have a few hours warning at least from a solar flare large enough to do damage. We would need shutters of aluminim.

What we produce in our homes and even the electric lines overhead are not doing that much damage. Even cell phones are questionalble about hopw much damage they produce.

Another part of the concept would involve using LCD's for windows. Sunlight can be pumped in through other means.

This is just an idea to protect those who can't fit in a "boat."

Ha! My thinking exactly!




The fields emanating from the computer where he entered his fear of fields. You can hear them if you place a multi band radio near your PC, like a shortwave, and they extend quite a ways away from the processor. Plus it would seem a little late to get squeamish about irradiation at his age.

Someone known for aluminum skinned structures would be Buckminster Fuller, with his geodesic domes of yore:

http://buckminster.info/Pics/Icosahedra/Icos-Dome-Self-Chilling-Ghana.jpg

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This one ended up being called a "chilling machine" because when the skin heats up it causes air currents to circulate through the vents.


That's your assumption.

Aqueous, I really don't think you are that saavy to how compressed flux works or how it can affect the planet.


The tinfoil hat people have the right idea, just not a well enough built hat. :

http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4541&stc=1&d=1330274672

Tinfoil hats for buildings!!! Here ye! Here ye!! :D

Here is the frame concept for geomorphic dome structures. One thing to note in both is the well in the center. This allows for collection of sunlight, wind and water from rain. All are used to produce electricity, store it, and to distribute light while offering a shield from protons, photons, some Beta particle shielding, but EMP protection. LCD screens replace windows inside the shield, thus one looks out their window and sees the outside, but the outside doesn't get in. This design is very energy efficient. The house-within a house approach has been known for years to be the most effective. This simply replaces the windows with LCD screen and processes all incoming elements into an energy core.

http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4542&stc=1&d=1330274713

http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4541&stc=1&d=1330274672

Tinfoil hats for buildings!!! Here ye! Here ye!! :D

Here is the frame concept for geomorphic dome structures. One thing to note in both is the well in the center. This allows for collection of sunlight, wind and water from rain. All are used to produce electricity, store it, and to distribute light while offering a shield from protons, photons, some Beta particle shielding, but EMP protection. LCD screens replace windows inside the shield, thus one looks out their window and sees the outside, but the outside doesn't get in. This design is very energy efficient. The house-within a house approach has been known for years to be the most effective. This simply replaces the windows with LCD screen and processes all incoming elements into an energy core.

http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4542&stc=1&d=1330274713

What supports the circles in place ?

What supports the circles in place ?

Thesy would have struts. The rings are shown. I still have to work the bugs out of my code that draws this. It is not wanting to draw all the facets, but I may have a shot depicting some of what's between the great and smaller circles.

I'd rather be struck dead by a sun-storm than live in that house.
If you can make very small versions, I'd like one for my cat though.

I'd rather be struck dead by a sun-storm than live in that house.
If you can make very small versions, I'd like one for my cat though.

Do you want the one with HD LDC windows on the inside so the cat can look out but nobody can look in?

They are designed to be a cover that is installed over the house. The walls would be 2 or 3 meters away from the actaully walls of the house. One could build a dome over their entire property if they wished. Fireproof, energy conservative and intruder resistant. Inside LCD screens in place of windows.

Sun Storm to hit earth today!
Everyone to be destroyed except Hectordecimal?
Why did we not listen?

http://www.timescolonist.com/storm+could+Earth+today/6269671/story.html

Oh. I've shown your house design to my cat, and she says she likes it.
Stupid ferkin cat!

Sun Storm to hit earth today!
Everyone to be destroyed except Hectordecimal?
Why did we not listen?

http://www.timescolonist.com/storm+could+Earth+today/6269671/story.html

Oh. I've shown your house design to my cat, and she says she likes it.
Stupid ferkin cat!

CBS News just said we aren't out of the woods with this flare yet. Better get kitty wrapped up in a tin foil hat on the double :D

I predicted we'd get a flare around St. Patrick's Day. This one's about 10 days early.

Back to the calculator and ephemeris.

I'm wondering, though, if this current flare is a prelude to St.Pat's.

As of now a NASA scientist was interviewed saying the GPS systems and power grid are the most vulnerable. It's March now, so it's expected to get warmer, but it's been about 20 degrees warmer than normal here this winter on the average.

In reality I'm a voice in the wilderness about people getting prepared. If the space agency is telling us to be concerned and that our modern technology is vulnerable, we should listen to them. I'm just one voice out here on these issues.

. It's March now, so it's expected to get warmer, but it's been about 20 degrees warmer than normal here this winter on the average. .Could you provide a source for this contention? If the average temperature is truly 20 deg. higher than normal that is absolutely astounding.

Indianapolis... WISH TV8

That's been our winter this year: on the average, 20 degrees warmer than normal. Temps have ranged from soe near 70's in January to closer to normal. No sub-zero this year at all.

Thank you for what you have provided there, but I meant some sort of link to state weather records, not an implied statement that you heard it on your local TV station. I wouldn't trust my recollection of what I heard on my TV, so why should I trust what you say you heard?

For example, if I access the NOAA site for data on Indianapolis, here is what I find for the first ten days of January. I report mean temperature first and minimum temperature second. All are in degrees Farenheit.

39.6 33.1
25.1 19.4
18.4 12.9
28.9 21.0
35.8 25.0
46.1 39.0
41.9 35.1
34.4 24.1
37.1 25.0
39.3 28.0

On the same site we learn that this is the fourth warmest winter on record for the US. But guess what? It is 3.9 degrees above average.

Based on the foregoing I seriously doubt your contention. Please provide documentary evidence to support the claim, or withdraw it.

I sent you to the tv station. They have a website. Although it's nice that you've asked "please," I'm not your personal cybersurfing slave. Yes, they also stated this is the 4th warmest US average, but for Indiana this was stated to be a record breaker. We broke a record last July-Aug for longest series of days above 90.

If you want more, then get it and bring it to the table.

I think much of the problem is in how others imagine others to be on the net. We are humans, not cybercartoons. Personally, I have a life beyond the keyboard. I think it is great that someone actually brings in some figures. UNfortunately "great" becomes diminished when it is associated with destructive criticism.

Yes. Most are familiar with Fahrenheit's scale.

Mostly I'm concerned with facts like the solar storm alert during those last couple days. We are told we got lucky. How often will we get lucky and go on unprepared. On days like that I get out last minute emails to loved ones and friends, if there's a difference, just in case communications and power does go down.

I'm trying to help people in general be informed and to offer possible solutions. If you discount the solar activity and the weirdness of the weather, then that is for you to evidence. The thread is saying we should be preparing.

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. — A meteorologist says Indiana's mild winter that's lured some spring flowers into early bloom has been the state's warmest in a decade.

Senior National Weather Service meteorologist Michael Koch in Indianapolis says Indiana's winter has averaged about 5.6 degrees warmer than normal, making it the warmest since 2002.

He says that through Feb. 16, it's been Indiana's 11th-warmest winter based on weather records that go back 142 years.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/feb/20/indianas-winter-warmest-2002/

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. — A meteorologist says Indiana's mild winter that's lured some spring flowers into early bloom has been the state's warmest in a decade.

Senior National Weather Service meteorologist Michael Koch in Indianapolis says Indiana's winter has averaged about 5.6 degrees warmer than normal, making it the warmest since 2002.

He says that through Feb. 16, it's been Indiana's 11th-warmest winter based on weather records that go back 142 years.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/feb/20/indianas-winter-warmest-2002/

Thank you, Capt.,

Sometimes even the local News tends to sensationalize. In reality, my basic platform in all this holds up.

Someone known for aluminum skinned structures would be Buckminster Fuller, with his geodesic domes of yore:

http://buckminster.info/Pics/Icosahedra/Icos-Dome-Self-Chilling-Ghana.jpg

This one ended up being called a "chilling machine" because when the skin heats up it causes air currents to circulate through the vents.

I wonder if someone could make miniature versions of that design...I'm thinking to be used in lieu of roof vent doobobs (Around here people call them "turbans," possibly meaning turbines, but they are not turbines. Thye are however shaped much like a sihk turban, so the next time a redneck calls them a turban I will ask him to spell it.)

I have an umbrella that was probably inspired by Bucky's design
http://www.golfclubs.com/img/fef2/silver-umb_ksdetail.jpg
I have yet to try it out, but it's supposed to be like walking around with your own shade tree. I was being depressed last summer, maybe better this one, I hope.

Of course, if you're lazy, you could always go with the prefab model...and then just gut it and put aluminum over the windows too, run your wiring, and voila!http://cdn7.wn.com/pd/fc/98/92c2b3e8712440c57e887e6fa14f_grande.jpg

Plus, if natural disaster or the zombie apocalypse happens in your region, you can hitch and split.

Those Airstreams are probably the best prefab protector against EMP's, short of my design above. They don't float though...

Those Airstreams are probably the best prefab protector against EMP's, short of my design above. They don't float though...

Hmm.
http://upload.ecvv.com/upload/Product/20084/China_G_R_P_TOTALLY_ENCLOSED_LIFEBOAT__RESCUE_BOAT 20084181148246.jpg
I think that's metallic...

I sent you to the tv station. They have a website.Common courtesy would have had you provide the link to that site. Hundreds of other members have no trouble following that practice. apparently it is too much for you. (Hence my deliberate omission of the websites I referred to.)


Although it's nice that you've asked "please," I'm not your personal cybersurfing slave.You are however responsible for justifying outrageous claims that are patently false. You failed to do so.


In reality, my basic platform in all this holds up. If your basic platform is that you are so vague and imprecise that you think a fourfold difference in temepratures is insignificant then I agree. You made a clear cut claim: a 20 degree above average winter temperature for Indianapolis. You were shown to be completely wrong, yet you are unwilling to admit this, blaming instead the TV station. Brilliant!:rolleyes:


Yes. Most are familiar with Fahrenheit's scale.
Another classic. I mentioned the Farenheit scale because without specifying units any numbers I quoted were meaningless. Apparently your great skills in engineering and science do not extend to proper identification of units. You are a frigging charlatan!

Oph,
It appears you are on nothing more than a S&D mission here. I stated what I listened to on the news. CK brought a blurb that says pretty much what you did. Even that doesn't reverberate what is on the local news, still I'd say the News tends to sensationalize. The point is we've had a much warmer winter here in Indiana this year and there has been considerable solar activity accompanying it. Last week we were being warned that the power grid and technology could be disrupted. That's the news.

My whole point is that if we were to enclose our homes something as I showed above, we could avoid the loss of technology. I suppose for some people it's easier to see what they can destroy instead of perhaps asking a question about the design itself.


Chimpkin,

I think either that orange boat is computer generated or it is made of fiberglass. It seems too continuous to be one large metal form. A consideration is that steel or nickel would not be good because they would simply transmit the EMF's. They might diffuse the forces, but they would still penetrate.

My whole point is that if we were to enclose our homes something as I showed above, we could avoid the loss of technology. I suppose for some people it's easier to see what they can destroy instead of perhaps asking a question about the design itself.And my central point is that I find it immensely difficult to take seriously someone who blithley believes what a News channel says and critiques someone for having the temerity to specify the units they are using. It calls into serious question your engineering credentials and your scientific rigour.

And my central point is that I find it immensely difficult to take seriously someone who blithley believes what a News channel says and critiques someone for having the temerity to specify the units they are using. It calls into serious question your engineering credentials and your scientific rigour.

It would seem you find it immensely difficult to discuss the topic instead of its author. This is about designs we can use to shield ourselves and our technologhy from EMP's. :m:

If the author approached his subject in an objective, scientific manner I would listen with great interest. When he waffles, indulges in self delusion and displays great ingorance then why would I pay any attention to his ideas?

If the author approached his subject in an objective, scientific manner I would listen with great interest. When he waffles, indulges in self delusion and displays great ingorance then why would I pay any attention to his ideas?

I wouldn't know about an author like that. What I do know is it's on the news, NASA sites, NASA reprint sites, etc., that we just might be leaving our proverbial fly open if we fail to guard our high paced technical lives aginst magnetic storms and stuff like that. Eventually we get caught with our pants down when we need to run like a raped ape.

I have experienced soooooooo many "scientific reviewers" that sidestep answers in the form of a question that challenge their real scientific skills beyond S&C&P. Now why should I bother to supply any response at all to those types when I think they truly should see a psychologist?:m:

Hector,
I have no doubt that we should be concerned about the possible impact of solar activity on modern technology. I appreciate that when - not if - we are hit by a once in a millenia CME it will have a massive impact on society. We should seek to prepare for this.

What I am also saying that in this regard I shall seek solutions form those who have demonstrated they operate according to sound scientific and engineering principles, rather than arm waving, word salad generting, self aggrandising buffoons. You may not fit in the latter category, but your ignorant-arrogant posts make it difficult to believe otherwise.

Hector,
I have no doubt that we should be concerned about the possible impact of solar activity on modern technology. I appreciate that when - not if - we are hit by a once in a millenia CME it will have a massive impact on society. We should seek to prepare for this.

What I am also saying that in this regard I shall seek solutions form those who have demonstrated they operate according to sound scientific and engineering principles, rather than arm waving, word salad generting, self aggrandising buffoons. You may not fit in the latter category, but your ignorant-arrogant posts make it difficult to believe otherwise.

And of course you don't see what you just posted as ignorant, arrogant buffoonery? You don't know me, Oph. You can only read into mine or anyone else's posts what you want to. As for whose idea you buy into, I could care less. You come across as more of a mud slinging politician than someone who can say they have made a lot of friends in a science forum.

You don't see any friend requests from me on you profile page do you?

The EMP danger is known...and not prepared against.
But I suspect when we start doing so, we will line the walls of existing server rooms with this stuff:
http://www.twpinc.com/wire-mesh/TWPCAT_30

The wire mesh is questionable as to efficiency.