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Thoreau
02-25-10, 05:49 PM
Who here believes angels are real? If so, do you believe in the concept of Earth Angels?

Photizo
02-25-10, 06:37 PM
Who here believes angels are real? If so, do you believe in the concept of Earth Angels?

I believe angels are real. I do not believe in the concept of earth angels.

786
02-25-10, 10:13 PM
I believe Angels are real and that they can come in human form if they wish (in other words change form). So that may be understood as 'earth angels' ?

Peace be unto you ;)

jmpet
02-26-10, 12:05 AM
Swell. Can someone- ANYONE... from ANY RELIGION show me the story/origin/nature/proliferation of angels?

Cite me the biblical verse or sura.

You've all been bought.

786
02-26-10, 01:28 AM
Swell. Can someone- ANYONE... from ANY RELIGION show me the story/origin/nature/proliferation of angels?

Cite me the biblical verse or sura.

You've all been bought.

huh? Perhaps instead of posing a challenge you can use google? I don't even understand what you're trying to ask really..

Peace be unto you ;)

S.A.M.
02-26-10, 01:39 AM
Swell. Can someone- ANYONE... from ANY RELIGION show me the story/origin/nature/proliferation of angels?

Cite me the biblical verse or sura.

You've all been bought.

According to Islamic philosophy, there are three kinds of beings, creatures whose essence is earth, those whose essence is air and those whose essence is fire.

Angels are beings whose essence is air and jinns are those whose essence is fire. Man s of those whose essence is earth.

What this means in real terms would constitute zannah or what we call pointless speculation on religious belief[not to be confused with jannah which is another name for paradise] The Qur'an has a negative view of such pointless speculation.

Michael
02-26-10, 02:30 AM
Here's a real picture of a real angel.

http://badassdesktopwallpaper.com/wallpaperpics/Chicks/SexyAngel.jpg

Enmos
02-26-10, 05:22 AM
Well, Angel Insects (Zoraptera) are definitely real..

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VA6LePZ6KNY/R1i7P9R2GkI/AAAAAAAAARY/ld-SrSGwixg/s320/Zoraptera.jpg

BlueRidge
02-26-10, 08:10 AM
Who here believes angels are real? If so, do you believe in the concept of Earth Angels?

In my book, angels are quite real. The bible says we are assigned angels to help us in our lives. I have every reason to believe that. But if you're heading into things like midwayers/Urantia and such, I'll gladly exit the discussion.

sandy
02-26-10, 09:33 AM
I agree angels are real. They have protected me from some nasty stuff. I keep mine busy.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-acb/acb-t005.html

Enmos
02-26-10, 10:26 AM
I have every reason to believe that.

Could you please list your reasons?

Enmos
02-26-10, 10:26 AM
They have protected me from some nasty stuff.

How do you know?

BlueRidge
02-26-10, 10:47 AM
Could you please list your reasons?

Long story. Not one I'd give out in public. Lets just look at it this way. For all the dozens of times I should be room temperature, have been close, and still live.... Prior to 2007 I had no core beliefs about angels, no strong convictions, nothing. But I have had some life altering experiences that warrant my beliefs now.

Tragic that many if not most Christians don't even realize they have been assigned angels who have been by their side from day one. They regard angels as some sort of unreachable higher class of deity reserved for special events, rather than the daily buddy and watch dog they are. The lord said- I knew you before you were born. If he knows you before you were born, he knew all you were going to get into and the protection you needed. Like Me. :)

jmpet
02-27-10, 11:32 PM
Show me the lines, verses and chapters from any holy book that tell us all about angels. Still waiting.

draqon
02-27-10, 11:57 PM
I believe in Angels.

Their tears flowed down their cheeks unto lava of planet Earth and formed oceans below. May their gift of life be blessed for eternal faith in us all.

draqon
02-27-10, 11:58 PM
Here's a real picture of a real angel.


that's a demon. Her intentions are to deceive and to lure through her body, to poison the mind.

Hapsburg
02-28-10, 12:03 AM
Who here believes angels are real? If so, do you believe in the concept of Earth Angels?

What the hell are "Earth Angels"?
And, no, I don't believe in angels. I believe that if and when the gods contact and communicate with people, they do it themselves; there is no need for intermediaries.

draqon
02-28-10, 12:05 AM
What the hell are "Earth Angels"?
And, no, I don't believe in angels. I believe that if and when the gods contact and communicate with people, they do it themselves; there is no need for intermediaries.

there is one god and there are billions of us. God can't talk to us all, there is just not enough time.

786
02-28-10, 12:09 AM
there is one god and there are billions of us. God can't talk to us all, there is just not enough time.

I doubt that is the reason

peace be unto you ;)

Hapsburg
02-28-10, 12:10 AM
You do realise that simply you saying that there is "one god" is not going to convince me, right? I've had it bleated to me by several proselytisers. I still do not, and will not believe such. There is simply no compelling evidence for me to believe in monotheism.

Michael
02-28-10, 11:11 PM
that's a demon. Her intentions are to deceive and to lure through her body, to poison the mind.That's not poison draqon, that's called Heaven :)

draqon
02-28-10, 11:12 PM
That's not poison draqon, that's called Heaven :)

poisoned heaven than it is, with rivers of cyanide and rain of acid, with trees made of latex burning scattering ashes.

draqon
02-28-10, 11:15 PM
You do realise that simply you saying that there is "one god" is not going to convince me, right? I've had it bleated to me by several proselytisers. I still do not, and will not believe such. There is simply no compelling evidence for me to believe in monotheism.

well lets follow a path where you believe anything you want. And lets us assume that none of the essential beliefs in life cannot be proven true, they are to be given faith, blind faith by all accounts.

So what faith would be good the one where you do not believe in God but rather in materialism as purely the only thing there is or the one where you do believe in God and all that God stands for (morals).

God unites people, atheism does not (it dissolves societies) or makes pacts of haters and "non-believers" who end up following "nothing" in the end.

Michael
03-01-10, 12:55 AM
poisoned heaven than it is, with rivers of cyanide and rain of acid, with trees made of latex burning scattering ashes.There is nothing poisonous about the nude female form presented as art.

Maybe you've contracted some viral meme? You haven't been visiting local churches again have you :p You know how contagious those places can be. Memes dripping all over the place. If you should go, wear an iPOD for protection at least :cool:

Lori_7
03-01-10, 03:58 AM
Who here believes angels are real? If so, do you believe in the concept of Earth Angels?

I had a vision of an angel once and was able to observe its characteristics visually.

I also believe that an angel inhabited my body so that I was able to channel some writing, and at that time I got to observe physical manifestations of sorts.

Adstar
03-01-10, 06:11 AM
Who here believes angels are real? If so, do you believe in the concept of Earth Angels?

Yes i believe in the existence of Angels.

And from Scripture Angels can come to earth and appear as normal human beings. If that is what you are referring to as Earth Angels?


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Adstar
03-01-10, 06:44 AM
Show me the lines, verses and chapters from any holy book that tell us all about angels. Still waiting.

In the bible there are so many. Why do you pose this question as if it is a challenge??

Just go here and in the box type Angel and hit search, you will get plenty.

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/



All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Adstar
03-01-10, 06:48 AM
I don't really support the concept of a guardian angel... It is way too catholic for me. But i believe God can instantly send an Angel to assist when needed.

The concept of everyone needing an Angel seem to come from a mindset that believes God is limited by universal time and space. God can react instantaneously to any situation because he knows beforehand exactly what is going to happen.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Medicine*Woman
03-01-10, 06:55 PM
I don't really support the concept of a guardian angel... It is way too catholic for me. But i believe God can instantly send an Angel to assist when needed.

The concept of everyone needing an Angel seem to come from a mindset that believes God is limited by universal time and space. God can react instantaneously to any situation because he knows beforehand exactly what is going to happen.
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M*W: I don't remember anything being taught by the Catholic Church about guardian angels. Where are you getting this?

draqon
03-01-10, 08:46 PM
There is nothing poisonous about the nude female form presented as art.

Maybe you've contracted some viral meme? You haven't been visiting local churches again have you :p You know how contagious those places can be. Memes dripping all over the place. If you should go, wear an iPOD for protection at least :cool:

lol ipod for protection. nah I am just taking some time out.

Adstar
03-03-10, 05:50 AM
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M*W: I don't remember anything being taught by the Catholic Church about guardian angels. Where are you getting this?

I was taught it as a child in a catholic home and in a catholic primary school run by nuns.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

PS: from wikipedia


A guardian angel is an angel assigned to protect and guide a particular person. The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity. The concept of tutelary angels and their hierarchy was extensively developed in Christianity in the 5th century by Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite.

The theology of angels, and tutelary spirits, has undergone many refinements since the 400s, and belief in both the East and the West is that guardian angels protect whichever person to whom God assigns them,[1] and present prayers to God on that person's behalf. The Catholic Church's calendar of saints includes a memorial for the guardian angels on October 2.

TFL
03-03-10, 06:02 AM
I have no evidence to support a belief in angels, therefore I don't believe in them. Should I be presented with sufficient evidence I will change my belief.

Shadow1
03-03-10, 06:12 AM
Who here believes angels are real? If so, do you believe in the concept of Earth Angels?

well, i beleive in god, so i beleive in angels,
also i beleive that humans are better than angels, it's in my relegion
because, god created angels, so they worship him, but humans, obey god, and worship God, with a free will, and a free mind, also humans can think, and make arts and other stuff,

:D
that's what it says in my relegion, and i beleive it
:p

Medicine*Woman
03-05-10, 09:06 AM
I was taught it as a child in a catholic home and in a catholic primary school run by nuns.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

PS: from wikipedia
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M*W: Still, I don't recall ever being taught by the Catholic Church that angels were all that important or significant. They were mentioned, they had their place, but not much credibility was ever given to them. That's one of the problems I had with the CC, they couldn't explain the things they taught... but I may have missed the day they talked about angels.

However, I was taught by my hard shell Baptist grandmother that I had a guardian angel watching over me. Now I realize now that was just her wishful thinking. Anytime I came out of a situation unscathed, it was because I had my wits about me, because there was no unearthly creature showering me with protection.

Ahem
03-06-10, 04:10 PM
When the Bible makes reference to angels, they are delivering a message from God. God cannot present himself to mortals, because his countenance would kill them, so he sends angels.

They must be frightening, because they begin by saying, "Do not be afraid", or "Fear not".

There are exceptions. One is, angels went to Jesus after Satan tempted him, in order to "minister to him." I take that to mean, comfort and nourish, not preach.

I do not think there are ANY scriptures about "guardian" angels. There are passages written about angels in the heavenly realm. There are several kinds of angels and they have varying levels of status. The ones seen on earth were messengers.

Adstar
03-07-10, 03:32 AM
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M*W: Still, I don't recall ever being taught by the Catholic Church that angels were all that important or significant. They were mentioned, they had their place, but not much credibility was ever given to them. That's one of the problems I had with the CC, they couldn't explain the things they taught... but I may have missed the day they talked about angels.

However, I was taught by my hard shell Baptist grandmother that I had a guardian angel watching over me. Now I realize now that was just her wishful thinking. Anytime I came out of a situation unscathed, it was because I had my wits about me, because there was no unearthly creature showering me with protection.

And i bet your "hard shell Baptist grandmother" went to church on the catholic created Sunday sabbath too. There are a lot of catholic man made traditions that have been kept by protestant churches. For most of them the break from rome was more about political control and less about actual teachings and beliefs.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

pjdude1219
03-07-10, 05:40 AM
And i bet your "hard shell Baptist grandmother" went to church on the catholic created Sunday sabbath too. There are a lot of catholic man made traditions that have been kept by protestant churches. For most of them the break from rome was more about political control and less about actual teachings and beliefs.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

catholics didn't create the sunday sabbath its biblically based. on the seventh day god rested.

Medicine*Woman
03-07-10, 09:35 AM
And i bet your "hard shell Baptist grandmother" went to church on the catholic created Sunday sabbath too. There are a lot of catholic man made traditions that have been kept by protestant churches. For most of them the break from rome was more about political control and less about actual teachings and beliefs.
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M*W: No, actually, she lived up in the remote hills of Southern WV. There were no churches, and they didn't have a car. She read her bible and preached her understanding of it to me every day of the week. She didn't like catholics. They were different and foreign to my beloved grandmother. There weren't too many of them in them thar hills.

Hapsburg
03-08-10, 04:14 AM
God unites people, atheism does not

I disagree, but still I have to ask- what the fuck does that have to do with me? :confused:
You seem to be labouring under the mistaken assumption that I am an atheist. I simply said that I am not a monotheist.

Orleander
03-08-10, 07:29 PM
Who here believes angels are real? If so, do you believe in the concept of Earth Angels?

what's an Earth Angel? :shrug:

Adstar
03-09-10, 07:28 AM
catholics didn't create the sunday sabbath its biblically based. on the seventh day god rested.

The true Biblical Sabbath is from Sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday. Ask any Torah observant Jew. You lack of knowledge is breath taking.

Sunday is not the 7th day it is the first day of the week.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Giambattista
03-09-10, 07:32 AM
The true Biblical Sabbath is from Sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday. Ask any Torah observant Jew. You lack of knowledge is breath taking.

Sunday is not the 7th day it is the first day of the week.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Not according to the Western calendar.. of course, Adstar knows God personally.

Orleander
03-09-10, 07:14 PM
What is an earth angel???!!!!!!

Thoreau
03-11-10, 10:04 PM
What is an earth angel???!!!!!!
(google)

draqon
03-12-10, 01:13 AM
I disagree, but still I have to ask- what the fuck does that have to do with me? :confused:
You seem to be labouring under the mistaken assumption that I am an atheist. I simply said that I am not a monotheist.

allright than what religion are you part of?

(You simply cannot not believe...you have some sort of assumption about this world...materialistic and whatnot)