http://moneyteachers.org/Earthquake.War.htm

Could it be there are governments creating earthquakes using secret scientific technologies?

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/msg.html

Notice the Department of the Navy seal on the HAARP web page.

Could it be there are governments creating earthquakes using secret scientific technologies?
No.
That's a fiction of Tom Bearden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Bearden)'s, among others. I mean, the Yakuza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Bearden#Secret_electromagnetic_warfare)? :rolleyes:


Notice the Department of the Navy seal on the HAARP web
page.
And?
The Navy doesn't have an interest in communications?

Could it be there are governments creating earthquakes using secret scientific technologies?

I guess Chlie wanted to destroy itself as well as Haiti with earthquakes. Why would their respective governments want to kill their own people and destroy their own country? :shrug:

Obviously, it would benefit the lizard people as they'd have more human corpses to eat!

I guess Chili wanted to destroy itself as well as Haiti with earthquakes. Why would their respective governments want to kill their own people and destroy their own country? :shrug:

Chili and Haiti have no ability and resource to own such kind of climate weapon machine. Maybe only the super power - USA has it. Consider the budget for Pentagon occupies nearly half of the total military expense of the whole world.

What's our problem with Chile and Haiti? It wouldn't make any sense. Now, if we made quakes happen in Iran, that would be different.

How could a gigawatt facility create an earthquake that released 66.3 exajoules of energy? That is the equivalent of 138 BILLION tons of TNT.

http://moneyteachers.org/Earthquake.War.htm
Has anyone actually looked at this page and the other 'Dead Man Musing' ones? Complete and utter wacko. The 'Illuminati enemies' bit is textbook paranoid psychosis. Believing everyone is in on a conspiracy against you but never actually seeing evidence of it or inventing paranoid narratives. The guy who wrote the page flew to S. America, bounces through several local airports, buses and taxis and still believes he's being followed and going to be killed. That goes far beyond "I think there's a group of people running the world" as that is something you don't personally interact with. That person needs medication.

So the fact you're providing that as your 'evidence' either means you're an idiot or the nut in question.

What's our problem with Chile and Haiti? It wouldn't make any sense. Now, if we made quakes happen in Iran, that would be different.

Chile, Haiti, AND IRAN are already classified in the VERY HIGH seismic hazard zone according to the study by the Global Seismic Hazard Assessment Program (GSHAP) and the United Nations International Decade for Natural Disaster Reduction (UN/IDNDR) in 1999. If an earthquake would hit Iran again, it wouldn't really be a surprise. List of past earthquakes in Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_Iran).

The global seismic hazard map produced in 1999 (remarks is given below the map, in the second picture):
http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/GSHAP/global/gshapfin.gif
Remarks (zoom of the legend):http://i47.tinypic.com/r7kjeu.jpg

How could a gigawatt facility create an earthquake that released 66.3 exajoules of energy? That is the equivalent of 138 BILLION tons of TNT.
Easily: they fit focussing devices that add extra "woo".

Could it be there are governments creating earthquakes using secret scientific technologies?


Oh puh-leeese. You people couldn’t be more wrong. :rolleyes:

It's obvious to anyone with a brain that the earthquakes in Haiti and Chile are the work of a master race of giant space ants. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the inhabitants or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain, there is no stopping them; the ants will soon be here.

And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted Sciforums moderator, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.

Earthquakes in Chile has been happening since hundreds of years ago. The one in 1960 was the largest earthquake ever recorded in the world. Look at the magnitude (in Moment magnitude scale) in the screenshot below (including the 1960). Screenshot is captured from here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_Chile).

List of past earthquakes in Chile:
http://i47.tinypic.com/bdqtn8.jpg

The 1960 Great Chilean Earthquake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_Valdivia_earthquake).

Oh puh-leeese. You people couldn’t be more wrong. :rolleyes:

It's obvious to anyone with a brain that the earthquakes in Haiti and Chile are the work of a master race of giant space ants. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the inhabitants or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain, there is no stopping them; the ants will soon be here.

And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted Sciforums moderator, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.

Why, that's just silly! Practically everyone knows the problems are caused by the human population jumping up and down at the same time. It's a rhythmic/resonance thing - like soldiers marching across a bridge in lockstep and causing it to collapse.

If we could just get everyone on the daylight side of the globe to change their patterns of getting in and out of their chairs, perhaps by assigning them times based on the alphabetic order of their last names, we could eliminate earthquakes entirely. :D

Oh puh-leeese. You people couldn’t be more wrong. :rolleyes:

It's obvious to anyone with a brain that the earthquakes in Haiti and Chile are the work of a master race of giant space ants. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the inhabitants or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain, there is no stopping them; the ants will soon be here.

And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted Sciforums moderator, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.

stop stealing simpsons material :p

All woo aside, what is HAARP being used to study?

All woo aside, what is HAARP being used to study?

High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program

used for penetrating the earth with signals bounced off of the ionosphere. These signals lie within the frequency that has a potential to cause earthquakes because they interfere with Earth magnetosphere.

But what HAARP claims it is doing is:

http://mcham.org/mcham/images/3/3d/Clip_image007.jpg

High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program

used for penetrating the earth with signals bounced off of the ionosphere. These signals lie within the frequency that has a potential to cause earthquakes because they interfere with Earth magnetosphere.

Please provide references to back this up.

Please provide references to back this up.

Bernard J. Eastlund

"United States Patent 4,686,605
Eastlund August 11, 1987
Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere .......

"Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device. Also as alluded to earlier, molecular modifications of the atmosphere can take place so that positive environmental effects can be achieved. Besides actually changing the molecular composition of an atmospheric region, a particular molecule or molecules can be chosen for increased presence. For example, ozone, nitrogen, etc. concentrations in the atmosphere could be artificially increased. Similarly, environmental enhancement could be achieved by causing the breakup of various chemical entities such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrous oxides, and the like....

This invention has a phenomenal variety of possible ramifications and potential future developments. As alluded to earlier, missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result, particularly when relativistic particles are employed. Also, large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces with resultant destruction or deflection of same. Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device. Also as alluded to earlier, molecular modifications of the atmosphere can take place so that positive environmental effects can be achieved. Besides actually changing the molecular composition of an atmospheric region, a particular molecule or molecules can be chosen for increased presence. For example, ozone, nitrogen, etc. concentrations in the atmosphere could be artificially increased. Similarly, environmental enhancement could be achieved by causing the breakup of various chemical entities such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrous oxides, and the like. Transportation of entities can also be realized when advantage is taken of the drag effects caused by regions of the atmosphere moving up along diverging field lines. Small micron sized particles can be then transported, and, under certain circumstances and with the availability of sufficient energy, larger particles or objects could be similarly affected. Particles with desired characteristics such as tackiness, reflectivity, absorptivity, etc., can be transported for specific purposes or effects. For example, a plume of tacky particles could be established to increase the drag on a missile or satellite passing therethrough. Even plumes of plasma having substantially less charged particle density than described above will produce drag effects on missiles which will affect a lightweight (dummy) missile in a manner substantially different than a heavy (live) missile and this affect can be used to distinguish between the two types of missiles. A moving plume could also serve as a means for supplying a space station or for focusing vast amount of sunlight on selected portions of the earth. Surveys of global scope could also be realized because the earth's natural magnetic field could be significantly altered in a controlled manner by plasma beta effects resulting in, for example, improved magnetotelluric surveys. Electromagnetic pulse defenses are also possible. The earth's magnetic field could be decreased or disrupted at appropriate altitudes to modify or eliminate the magnetic field in high Compton electron generation (e.g., from high altitude nuclear bursts) regions. High intensity, well controlled electrical fields can be provided in selected locations for various purposes. For example, the plasma sheath surrounding a missile or satellite could be used as a trigger for activating such a high intensity field to destroy the missile or satellite. Further, irregularities can be created in the ionosphere which will interfere with the normal operation of various types of radar, e.g., synthetic aperture radar. The present invention can also be used to create artificial belts of trapped particles which in turn can be studied to determine the stability of such parties. Still further, plumes in accordance with the present invention can be formed to simulate and/or perform the same functions as performed by the detonation of a "heave" type nuclear device without actually having to detonate such a device. Thus it can be seen that the ramifications are numerous, far-reaching, and exceedingly varied in usefulness."

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...S=PN/4,686,605

and Russia has its own HAARP: Sura Ionospheric Heating Facility

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sura_Ionospheric_Heating_Facility

so if Americans misbehave, goodbye Yellowstone. lolz...yeah...

That's just a name...how about a link with data...

edit: oops...nm

That's just a name...how about a link with data? :)

I made a quote there for the patent behind HAARP.

He is a military scientist, you don't expect info do be just given out in black on white from government sources? do you? :shrug: This thing is real and its potential to destroy is vast.

So Draq, what do you believe HAARP is being used for?

So Draq, what do you believe HAARP is being used for?

well currently just to spy on other nations. I don't believe its the cause behind the recent earthquakes.

well currently just to spy on other nations. I don't believe its the cause behind the recent earthquakes.

God...I'm so glad to hear that...I was hoping you weren't falling for the HAARP earthquake woo.

God...I'm so glad to hear that...I was hoping you weren't falling for the HAARP earthquake woo.

well dude HAARP can be used to cause earthquakes. But the governments are way smarter than to use something like that.

If I was the government and wanted to utilize a warfare unlike the usual bombs/soldiers/jets I would use a hardly traceable weapon like chemical warfare. For example the recent opium fields in Afghanistan have been laced with anthrax. So basically the heroin users and makers get killed by anthrax. All courtesy of the government behind military operations in Afghanistan.

link: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6203YM20100301

well dude HAARP can be used to cause earthquakes. But the governments are way smarter than to use something like that.

How can HAARP cause earthquakes? I'm really interested in how you can use any form of EM to shake the earth to any degree to cause fault lines to break.

The ground is really heavy and takes a butt-load (scientific term) of energy to move it. In the Chile earthquake, it registered 8.8 on the Richter scale. I actually learned a new "mathematical preface" in researching the amount of energy released. We've heard of "Mega" for million, and "Giga" for billion. I learned "Exa" is 10x^18. Dude, that a shitload of zeros. Much more than anything man-made could create.

How can HAARP cause earthquakes? I'm really interested in how you can use any form of EM to shake the earth to any degree to cause fault lines to break.

The ground is really heavy and takes a butt-load (scientific term) of energy to move it. In the Chile earthquake, it registered 8.8 on the Richter scale. I actually learned a new "mathematical preface" in researching the amount of energy released. We've heard of "Mega" for million, and "Giga" for billion. I learned "Exa" is 10x^18. Dude, that a shitload of zeros. Much more than anything man-made could create.

yes the energy requirement would need to be greater than currently...but its doable
from NASA's "ask scientist" site:
ringing of our magnetosphere might impact charged tectonic plates

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/FAQs2.html

There are 134 links on that page..which one am I supposed to click?

And the current EISCAT in Norway can do 1GW, all these phased arrays can generate phases and amplitudes individually or in unison.

There are 134 links on that page..which one am I supposed to click?

don't click any, its on that page in one of the answers. just search it using a search function with that exact quote.

But a gigawatt sounds like a lot of power...when your talking about transmitting EM through large portions of the atmosphere, the amount of energy required to move the earth....we don't have that tech yet.

There are radio station in Mexico that broadcast a million watts.

But a gigawatt sounds like a lot of power...when your talking about transmitting EM through large portions of the atmosphere, the amount of energy required to move the earth....we don't have that tech yet.

There are radio station in Mexico that broadcast a million watts.

this EM is magnified using ionosphere that acts as a longitudinal antenna.

this EM is magnified using ionosphere that acts as a longitudinal antenna.

How?

this EM is magnified using ionosphere that acts as a longitudinal antenna.

You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Please stop.

You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Please stop.

you better apologize :mad: and retract curses.


What makes these ionospheric heaters so useful is that they consist of phased arrays. A phased array is a grid of antennas whose phases (timing) and amplitudes are individually adjustable. This means a great variety of different combinations can be tried out, synthesizing new and complex total wave forms. Phasing allows the output to be pointed in different directions without having to move the antennas themselves.

For anyone familiar with the works of Tom Bearden, phased arrays also allow for partial phase conjugation or canceling of the emitted electromagnetic waves. When EM waves have either (or both) of their electric and magnetic components cancelled, the contained energy takes the form of a longitudinal / potential / scalar / gravitational / temporal wave instead.

Ionospheric heaters can also “control electron density gradients and the refractive properties in selected regions of the ionosphere” meaning it can modulate ionospheric electron density. That is another powerful method of generating longitudinal waves, using the sky itself as a giant longitudinal antenna.

And so phased arrays can be used to generate an entirely different type of radiation, one that cannot be detected with standard EM-measuring instruments. Depending on their frequency and type, these waves can theoretically affect human emotion and biology, influence the weather, alter tectonic dynamics, and even manipulate our surrounding hyper-dimensional environment to allow for controlled invisibility and interdimensional maneuvering of military personnel and vehicles. In essence, everything that regular electromagnetic waves cannot really do.


quote: http://montalk.net/conspiracy/142/haarp-earthquakes-and-hurricanes

I was about to tear draqon a new asshole, but then I saw this thread had been moved to Pseudoscience, with all the other insane bullshit.

And all was right with the world.

I was about to tear draqon a new asshole, but then I saw this thread had been moved to Pseudoscience, with all the other insane bullshit.

And all was right with the world.

But woo is fun..and you can learn stuff....Like I learned "exa".....I want me a exabyte hard drive now. :)

russians ...... you know the former superpower that is a 3rd world country now...

have a Haarp....but like most of their programs.... waaaay behind and weak in the knees

russians ...... you know the former superpower that is a 3rd world country now...

have a Haarp....but like most of their programs.... waaaay behind and weak in the knees

Sura complex in Russia was made a decade before HAARP was made. The level of knowledge gained is way after what HAARP is capable of doing now. Just look at how much more powerful Sura is.

picture of the way gay russian haarp :D

http://www.earthangel4peace.com/images/Golden_Harp.jpg

But woo is fun..and you can learn stuff....Like I learned "exa".....I want me a exabyte hard drive now. :)

this is science and not pseudoscience. If Echo does not know about this does not mean it should be regarded un-scientific. There is nothing that I have said in this thread that is not science.

well Piearesquared, I do not console myself to curses like Echo does when his views do not agree with others. But to tell it to you simply, you are out of context and are attacking me as a member.

I was addressing Mr MacGyver..??

I was addressing Mr MacGyver..??

yeah sure...Mr MacGyver is not Russian and is not at conflict with gays. And you know I am Russian and am at conflict with gays. So now after I showed Russian superiority in HAARP-like technology you reserve to deceitful backstabbing name-calling. not nice.

whoa...what do gays have to do about energy weapons? Stay on topic.

whoa...what do gays have to do about energy weapons? Stay on topic.

dude post 43...man...its pissing me off.

Anyways since this HAARP thing was moved to pseudoscience without a challenge by any moderator, I see this as an end to discussion unfortunately.

too much vodka? ... please where did i call you a name. Anyhow I looked up the info on the russian site .. the one in europe is more powerful....:rolleyes:

the alaska one is offline.... which no doubt kicks the 3rd world nation's one.

c'mon just admit it... like most everything they have done has been ripped off from some other country..

it has to be tough to go from superpower to 3rd world nation... but make any more threats to yellowstone and you'll be in jail

this is science and not pseudoscience. If Echo does not know about this does not mean it should be regarded un-scientific. There is nothing that I have said in this thread that is not science.

Actually you've just put forward the usual junk argument- "This Russian-built system I know nothing about is capable of greater destruction than this American-built system I also know nothing about". Once again, you're talking out of your arse about Command & Conquer hypothetical video game weapons that will never be built in reality because they violate known laws of physics. I mean, really, I remember you proposing that you could use a flashlight or something to propel a spacecraft as if it was a practical concept.

What's with all this "Russia has a bigger penis" crap anyway? If you're so proud of your country's achievements, why do you always need to plug them by denouncing whatever the US does? Does the US define it's glory and success by how much richer and more prosperous they are compared to Russia? When you go on these rants about nonexistent weapons systems that belong in the trash bin with Roswell, I think it shows you to have an inferiority complex about your homeland.

What's with all this "Russia has a bigger penis" crap anyway? If you're so proud of your country's achievements, why do you always need to plug them by denouncing whatever the US does? Does the US define it's glory and success by how much richer and more prosperous they are compared to Russia? When you go on these rants about nonexistent weapons systems that belong in the trash bin with Roswell, I think it shows you to have an inferiority complex about your homeland.

:roflmao::xctd::roflmao:

CptBork I gave relevant info on both the russian Sura complex and the american HAARP complex. I also explained how this shortwave radiation interacts with the ionosphere. You on the other hand are just repeating what Echo is doing...accusations without anything on topic.

CptBork I gave relevant info on both the russian Sura complex and the american HAARP complex. I also explained how this shortwave radiation interacts with the ionosphere. You on the other hand are just repeating what Echo is doing...accusations without anything on topic.

Right, I just missed the part about how this can magically cause Earthquakes.

magically Delicious..

Conspiracy theories
Main article: List of conspiracy theories#Development of weapons technology

HAARP is the subject of numerous conspiracy theories, with individuals ascribing various hidden motives and capabilities to the project, among them:

* Long-range wireless transmission of microwave energy
* The projection of potentially lethal electromagnetic pulses for purposes including killing living organisms and jamming communications that rely on EM energy (sometimes informally called "EMPs" or colorfully referred to as "death rays")
* Weather control and/or weather warfare including hurricane, earthquake, and tsunami creation


* Large-scale and/or long-range holograph projection (see also Project Blue Beam, another conspiracy theory that purports that Christian fundamentalists within the United States Military may attempt to create a holograph of Jesus Christ for propaganda purposes)


that one is way over the top...:)

* Microwave-energy-based missile defense
* Mind-reading and/or mind control via reception or emission of subtle electromagnetic fields such as alpha waves from a distance
* The potential to interfere with the migrations of wild animals
* The potential to interfere with the Earth's spin

Some theorists believe the system is linked to UFO activity.

oh this is funny...this this was supoosedly developed in russia :rolleyes:

In August 2002, a critical mention of HAARP technology came from the State Duma (parliament) of Russia. The Duma issued a press release on the HAARP written by the international affairs and defense committees, signed by 90 deputies and presented to then President Vladimir Putin. The statement claimed:

The U.S. is creating new integral geophysical weapons that may influence the near-Earth medium with high-frequency radio waves ... The significance of this qualitative leap could be compared to the transition from cold steel to firearms, or from conventional weapons to nuclear weapons. This new type of weapons differs from previous types in that the near-Earth medium becomes at once an object of direct influence and its component.

So the Department of the Navy working on a purely civilian project with no military application to speak of doesn't raise any eyebrows here?

Was the atomic bomb pseudoscience before college physics professors widely understood it was a reality? This stuff goes back to Tesla and his work. Just because you didn't learn it in class doesn't mean its not valid.

Right, I just missed the part about how this can magically cause Earthquakes.


Scientists all over the world are busy watching the convection current within the mantle of the earth that make the tectonic plates move. The critical step in controlling earthquakes is controlling the forces that make these plates move.

Earth's crust -- the top five to 40 kilometers or so -- is composed of about a dozen huge, rigid "tectonic" plates that "float" on the semi-solid rocks of the upper mantle, allowing them to move independently. The hot, plastic rock of the mantle is in constant commotion, driven by convection currents powered by heat from Earth's interior. This movement causes plates to move.

If the convection currents in the mantel can be controlled with the applications of huge energy manipulated by computer algorithms, the plate movements can be completely controlled.

The process also involves understanding the process by which the convection process gets its own energy. The energy comes from heat left over from Earth's formation out of hot gas and dust, gravitation, friction and radioactive decay. To neutralize the convection process, we need huge source of energy and the capability to apply that energy in a controlled fashion to manipulate.

Summary of above: convection currents in mantel that influence when earthquakes occur can be manipulated by application of huge amounts of energy.

link: http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/14344.asp


The "Detection of Electro-Magnetic Emissions Transmitted from Earthquake Regions" satellite, constructed by CNES, has made observations which show strong correlations between certain types of low frequency electromagnetic activity and the seismically most active zones on the Earth, and have shown a sharp signal in the ionospheric electron density and temperature near southern Japan seven days before a 7.1 magnitude occurred there (on August 29 and September 5, 2004, respectively)

summary of above: each earthquake is preceded by a low frequency EM waves and an increase in an ionospheric electron density.

link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_prediction

(look up Demeter satellite)

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If earthquakes are preceded by low frequency EM waves and sharp increase in ionospheric electron density than increasing artificially ionospheric electron density has a potential in creating earthquakes.

Any individual seeking additional information about HAARP, or wishing to provide comments regarding HAARP, may contact:

* Office of Public Affairs
Air Force Research Laboratory
3550 Aberdeen Ave S.E.
Kirtland AFB NM 87117-5776

Any individual seeking additional information about HAARP, or wishing to provide comments regarding HAARP, may contact:

* Office of Public Affairs
Air Force Research Laboratory
3550 Aberdeen Ave S.E.
Kirtland AFB NM 87117-5776

yeah sure you call them. :cool: They will tell you the public goodness of what HAARP is, a study of Earth environment, perfectly harmless.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/bird%20cartoon/drawn4u/bird.jpg

So the Department of the Navy working on a purely civilian project with no military application to speak of doesn't raise any eyebrows here?

Was the atomic bomb pseudoscience before college physics professors widely understood it was a reality? This stuff goes back to Tesla and his work. Just because you didn't learn it in class doesn't mean its not valid.

As has already been mentioned, the Navy has a vital interest in communications. I think it should be obvious why they'd have such an interest, given what they're tasked with doing in the event of war. The Navy also takes an interest in atmospheric and Earth sciences because such knowledge helps them make better equipment, shield it from electrical storms, avoid bad weather by spotting it in advance, etc. etc.

It was the US Navy which discovered the Earth's shifting magnetic poles, back in the 60's, because their submarine detection equipment was sensitive enough to pick it up. Has nothing whatsoever to do with weapons research (unless you call detection equipment a "weapon"). 100 years ago, Albert Michelson was working for the US Navy when he performed his experiments attempting to detect the aether (the "failure" of his experiments to detect such an aether was one of the earliest experiments supporting Einstein's Relativity). Was Michelson looking to develop some sort of crazy weapons system with his simple interferometer? No, he was performing measurements that, as a US Navy scientist, he had the expertise to perform.

Let's start using some more practical common sense and a little less Art Bell sense, shall we?

yeah sure you call them. :cool: They will tell you the public goodness of what HAARP is, a study of Earth environment, perfectly harmless.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/bird%20cartoon/drawn4u/bird.jpg


Call them???..do you see a phone number..:rolleyes:

summary of above: each earthquake is preceded by a low frequency EM waves and an increase in an ionospheric electron density.

link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_prediction

(look up Demeter satellite)

And? Where does it state that the ionosphere fluctuations are causing the Earthquake, rather than being a direct product of the same motions producing said Earthquake? Let's just say your kooky ass backwards idea was actually true and ionosphere fluctuations were the cause- how on Earth would HAARP build up enough power to pull this off? Who's got 100 trillion dollars to spend on the power plants? You can't just move continents around with a little poke, y'know.

And? Where does it state that the ionosphere fluctuations are causing the Earthquake, rather than being a direct product of the same motions producing said Earthquake? Let's just say your kooky ass backwards idea was actually true and ionosphere fluctuations were the cause- how on Earth would HAARP build up enough power to pull this off? Who's got 100 trillion dollars to spend on the power plants? You can't just move continents around with a little poke, y'know.

nuclear powerplant powering HAARP is a possible scenario. (8.21 GW is the capacity of the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa Nuclear Power Plant)
link:
http://www2.jnes.go.jp/atom-db/en/general/atomic/ke02a13/info_h.html

nuclear powerplant powering HAARP is a possible scenario. (8.21 GW is the capacity of the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa Nuclear Power Plant)
link:
http://www2.jnes.go.jp/atom-db/en/general/atomic/ke02a13/info_h.html

Good grief!! Your piddling 8 GW of power would be like a wooden match in a windstorm compared to the amount of energy needed to move one of the Earth's plates.

Sheer science fiction - at it's worst. :bugeye:

Good grief!! Your piddling 8 GW of power would be like a wooden match in a windstorm compared to the amount of energy needed to move one of the Earth's plates.

Sheer science fiction - at it's worst. :bugeye:

you only need to trigger and earthquake, not to move it. Once you know the frequency needed and the power to apply just use it at specific location. Its how much energy can be outputted in time that matters the most.

By the way there had just been yet another earthquake, this time in Kyrgyzstan:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2010-03/02/content_9526095.htm

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Haiti Earthquake: 12 January, 2010: 7.0
Chile Earthquake: 27 February, 2010: 8.8
Kyrgyzstan Earthquake: 1 March, 2010: 6.3

looks like a 5.0 according to this

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/region/Asia.php

must be something wrong with the HAARP steering mechanism

omg .. the thing has gone crazy......

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php#listtop

As has already been mentioned, the Navy has a vital interest in communications. I think it should be obvious why they'd have such an interest, given what they're tasked with doing in the event of war. The Navy also takes an interest in atmospheric and Earth sciences because such knowledge helps them make better equipment, shield it from electrical storms, avoid bad weather by spotting it in advance, etc. etc.

It was the US Navy which discovered the Earth's shifting magnetic poles, back in the 60's, because their submarine detection equipment was sensitive enough to pick it up. Has nothing whatsoever to do with weapons research (unless you call detection equipment a "weapon"). 100 years ago, Albert Michelson was working for the US Navy when he performed his experiments attempting to detect the aether (the "failure" of his experiments to detect such an aether was one of the earliest experiments supporting Einstein's Relativity). Was Michelson looking to develop some sort of crazy weapons system with his simple interferometer? No, he was performing measurements that, as a US Navy scientist, he had the expertise to perform.

Let's start using some more practical common sense and a little less Art Bell sense, shall we?

I...I think I love you.

(not gay)

yeah sure angelic US NAVY dudes...they were just taking measurements of Earth atmosphere. That's what military does, take measurements, nothing to do with warfare.

you only need to trigger and earthquake, not to move it. Once you know the frequency needed and the power to apply just use it at specific location. Its how much energy can be outputted in time that matters the most.

As usual, your thinking is sadly incomplete. Just TRY thinking about it for a moment: If all it takes is a trigger, then it MUST have been right on the threshold of happening anyway!!

Can you not understand the simplicity of that???:shrug:

As usual, your thinking is sadly incomplete. Just TRY thinking about it for a moment: If all it takes is a trigger, then it MUST have been right on the threshold of happening anyway!!

Can you not understand the simplicity of that???:shrug:

allright than the only problem with HAARP utilization is the amount of energy needed.

steering it might be a problem.. :)

allright than the only problem with HAARP utilization is the amount of energy needed.

You're getting closer to the truth but still not there. As Pie just pointed out, steering/aiming would still be a major problem - as well as knowing just WHEN to apply the trigger. But even then, the amount of energy needed is still WAY above what you think it would be.

Short answer to all this is that the idea is still nonsense.

yeah sure angelic US NAVY dudes...they were just taking measurements of Earth atmosphere. That's what military does, take measurements, nothing to do with warfare.
The Captain already explained to you how it benefits the Navy. He's right, in my professional (really) opinion. Is there some issue with his explanation? Or do you just have a personality disorder?

I...I think I love you.

(not gay)

Aw, shucks :o


allright than the only problem with HAARP utilization is the amount of energy needed.

If we had the technology to solve that problem, the world would look like a completely different place. Here, this is for you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L4uM9Aqv9E), you'll probably get a kick out of it.


yeah sure angelic US NAVY dudes...they were just taking measurements of Earth atmosphere. That's what military does, take measurements, nothing to do with warfare.

When they test launch an SLBM, they don't call it "atmospheric measurements", do they? Not everything the Navy does is intended to blow something up. They have ships, sailors, planes, engineers, scientists, and an enormous wealth of expertise. Why wouldn't they put those resources to good use when they're not busy fighting anyone?

drag on... you may want to bone up on phased array.

or not

Or do you (draqon) just have a personality disorder?


Trying to answer that question would probably reach the character limit for a post. ;)

drag on... you may want to bone up on phased array.

or not

and you boned in.

and you boned in.

Draqon, as you have shown us all here at least a hundred times over, your knowledge of things technical is about on the same level as someone who has only finished 6 years of primary education - those who never even made it to high school.

You really should do yourself a favor and spend a considerable amount of time studying such basics before even attempting to post anything remotely related to technology. Seriously!!!

Draqon, as you have shown us all here at least a hundred times over, your knowledge of things technical is about on the same level as someone who has only finished 6 years of primary education - those who never even made it to high school.

You really should do yourself a favor and spend a considerable amount of time studying such basics before even attempting to post anything remotely related to technology. Seriously!!!

Read-Only, what have I said here that is not scientific? :shrug: How have I demonstrated of having low knowledge or having low-IQ when I showed way more info and backed up my reasoning than any of you.

I do agree with you about the HAARP needing much more energy in order to be used as an earthquake causing device, but don't resort to accusation and hate on my part. I clearly given links which show that I do indeed know the subject of the topic.

The reason why I so vigorously defend the earthquake causing Sura and HAARP-like facilities is because I watched a russian program about it and it explained to me how this can be done. If you don't think that controlling the ionospheric electron density artificially will create any effect on the Earth mantel, than thats your hypothesis. I clearly showed that the two are related. The rest is up to an experiment to prove.

...our Earth is fragile...lets not start wondering what kind of bombing experiments they do underground.


What's our problem with Chile and Haiti? It wouldn't make any sense. Now, if we made quakes happen in Iran, that would be different.
We wanted their children.

...our Earth is fragile...lets not start wondering what kind of bombing experiments they do underground.

well lots of them. The recent NorthKorean underground nuclear test for example.

link:http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/features/the-north-korean-nuclear-test-what-the-seismic-data-says

Meanwhile I am sure back in the days if Read-Only was around he wouldn't believe in nuclear tests as well...:rolleyes:

Interesting. It's like an avalanche.

dragon...

maybe you don't understand slang very well,, bone up is not a derogatory term.

let me rephrase as pointed out by others here ..you lack any grasp of basic science

certainly physics .. you like a number of people hop on the woo-woo wagon the second you have read up on some bad science and think it's true..pull your head out of the comic books and get some real education.

As pointed out the energy requirements are totally out of reason, the ability to target something from alaska or the mighty soviet union is bunk..you need to understand energy transmission ..how it works ..what are its limits.

so what... they hooked it up to a nuclear reactor and by phased array aim it off the ionosphere... that is when the solar wind is just right direct it to where they want a quake.. give me a break.... if you ever want to work for a major aerospace company you need to get a grip on real science.

you feel you prove a point by posting some woo - woo info.... again Lost is TV show

btw the NK test was pretty much a dud....Pakistan's was much more powerful but either ones do not compare to what the US,France,UK, China and that 3rd world country did back when it was a superpower and they have been pretty quite with those as of late.

The reason why I so vigorously defend the earthquake causing Sura and HAARP-like facilities is because I watched a russian program about it and it explained to me how this can be done.

They have haunted houses on TV too. Are you spooked?

So we're clear...HAARP doesn't cause earthquakes, because the amount on energy required to move the earth to an extent that could trigger earthquakes is far beyond the tech of today....right?

So we're clear...HAARP doesn't cause earthquakes, because the amount on energy required to move the earth to an extent that could trigger earthquakes is far beyond the tech of today....right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3g1gRZw7M4&feature=related

I think it has to do with resonance.

http://www.intuitor.com/resonance/tesla.php

So we're clear...HAARP doesn't cause earthquakes, because the amount on energy required to move the earth to an extent that could trigger earthquakes is far beyond the tech of today....right?

We're clear that HAARP doesn't contain even a smidgeon of the power it would require to cause Earthquakes, even if all that energy were chanelled directly into the Earth's crust, never mind beaming it to the other side of the planet. As for why HAARP can't cause Earthquakes, it's because there's no evidence that Earthquakes have any sort of atmospheric cause in the first place.

The Earth's tectonic plates are drifting around on a bed of magma. That bed of magma is what creates the Earth's magnetic field. Ergo the processes that produce Earthquakes can also produce electromagnetic disturbances in the atmosphere. Dragon, together with the people feeding him ideas, makes the standard blunder of associating correlation with causation, instead of recognizing that two unrelated phenomena can both be symptoms of a single common cause.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3g1gRZw7M4&feature=related

I think it has to do with resonance.

http://www.intuitor.com/resonance/tesla.php

Oh you think, do you? I think there's a good chance you don't even know what resonance is. Resonance is a well-known scientific phenomenon that can be seen in many aspects of daily life such as in a radio tuner, or even in examples as simple as pushing someone on a swing set or forcing the motions of a spring. Unreliable UFO hearsay links about Tesla's work aside, why don't you go ahead and explain in your own words what resonance is and what it has to do with HAARP's alleged ability to make Earthquakes?

HAARP isn't just one output source. Multiple nodes, means that you could spread energy out through each node through a renewable source. However this is about communications and espionage systems, I wouldn't be convinced it was possible to catalyse tectonic events. In fact the topic itself is very similar to the one about Russian's injecting Lepton's into the crust to "look for oil deposits", I wouldn't be suprised if it was indeed the same subject. No so much the creation of earthquakes but the search for replacement Fossil fuel sources.

There use to be alot of fuss about HAARP in the early 1990's due to various Naval research projects attempting to use it for detecting Submarines. Most of the fuss came because of a few Dolphins that were found dead, washed upon on beaches. They had on autopsy "exploded brains", like the frequency that had hit them was resonated so high that it vibrated their skull to a destructive level. Of course it was all heresay, I'm sure you could find a small sprinkling of details on the internet but all very limited in regards to information.

HAARP is often identified as used in Mind Control cases too. Why cause a volcano to errupt or an earthquake to happen, when you could just subversively plant thoughts into the head of a countries premier and change their country policies slowly over time. (Anyone want to start on the NWO topic now?)

HAARP isn't just one output source. Multiple nodes, means that you could spread energy out through each node through a renewable source. However this is about communications and espionage systems, I wouldn't be convinced it was possible to catalyse tectonic events. In fact the topic itself is very similar to the one about Russian's injecting Lepton's into the crust to "look for oil deposits", I wouldn't be suprised if it was indeed the same subject. No so much the creation of earthquakes but the search for replacement Fossil fuel sources.


Interesting side-factoid:

The computer program called Auto Tune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune), used in the music industry to correct the pitch of singers, had it's beginnings being used to help find oil.



HAARP is often identified as used in Mind Control cases too. Why cause a volcano to errupt or an earthquake to happen, when you could just subversively plant thoughts into the head of a countries premier and change their country policies slowly over time. (Anyone want to start on the NWO topic now?)

Ix-nay on the ind Control-May. (taps the side of his nose twice with his index finger) Our NWO lizaroid overlords don't like publicity. :)

What's our problem with Chile and Haiti? It wouldn't make any sense. Now, if we made quakes happen in Iran, that would be different.

You also can ask what's the problem of those 3 thousand people who died in WTC with Mid-east war? Though they have not a bit relationship with Iraq or Al Qaida, when the Inside group needs an excuse to start war on Iraq, they became sacrifice.

The earthquake in Chile and Hatti, probably were used to justify a big earthquake planned to occur in California - a big event to distract public attention on a framed drug case. I talked about it a long time ago. The Swine Flu of last April, was a sample. Swine Flu broke out in April 2009. I predicted it on 3/30. Only at that time no body knows Swine Flu (H1N1). What I said was Avian Flu.(H5N1)


596. Bio-attack in the name of pandemic (3/30/09)

The rehearsal of response to a mock attack(see #594) indicates the Feds may carry out the coming operation with the help of a bio attack. I have said Feds will kill a lot of people in the framed drug case. To cover up the unusual multiple deaths, Feds always planed big event such like war, natural disaster, terror attack to distract.

Here is a news prepared psychologically for that bio-attack:

"New Human Death from Bird Flu
By Tim Johnson McClatchy Newspapers
2/26/2009

Beijing - A handful of new human fatalities from bird flu underscore that the H5N1 virus has become entrenched in some countries, such as China, and that it still could mutate and flare into a global pandemic, U.N. officials said last week.

China has reported five deaths from eight cases of bird flu so far this year. ...

He said that a worst-case scenario for a flu outbreak would shut down airports worldwide, strain hospitals, severely disrupt food and water supplies, and lead to shortages of anti-viral medications. A best-case scenario might cause only 100,000 deaths, he added."

In early January this year, Negroponti (former head of national intelligence, then work in State department) visited China as a representative of the State Secretary Condoleezza Rice. I view this sudden visit as another arrangement between the secret police of China and US. The unusual outbreak of avian flu in China likely is a plot to justify a planed bio-attack activated by the Feds - in the name of pandemic avian flu.

Don't think that 100,000 deaths warning is a joke. They had killed 3,000 in 911 to justify a war. They think only big slaughter can shock and awe the people. Keep in mind they once tried to nuke six cities for a framed case and Iran war.

The tactic is to prison everyone at their home. When they planed a terror attack, there will be a martial law. When there is a bio-attack, they quarantine people. Then Feds can kill people they dislike without awareness of others. The media will report what Feds want you to believe. When it happens, that you have had lost your freedom, remember what I have said today.

I believe that the HAARP project is being used as a decoy to take attention away from the real culprit of these quakes.

Global disaster is approaching very soon due to our position in the galaxy.

HAARP is being strategically placed for the conspiracy groups. Global warming will be blamed by the trusting, scientific-minded folk. And religious prophecy will be used to numb the minds of the faithful.

You also can ask what's the problem of those 3 thousand people who died in WTC with Mid-east war? Though they have not a bit relationship with Iraq or Al Qaida, when the Inside group needs an excuse to start war on Iraq, they became sacrifice.

The earthquake in Chile and Hatti, probably were used to justify a big earthquake planned to occur in California - a big event to distract public attention on a framed drug case. I talked about it a long time ago. The Swine Flu of last April, was a sample. Swine Flu broke out in April 2009. I predicted it on 3/30. Only at that time no body knows Swine Flu (H1N1). What I said was Avian Flu.(H5N1)

What a sad load of tripe that ^ is!:bugeye: I'd almost bet that you think having to breathe oxygen is some kind of conspiracy!!! Dumb, dumb thinking!!!!

i know exactly who will they target!
(ALLL arabs and muslims... :( i know they love us! ) :P

also, as you saw, this project, defferently needs alooooooot of energy, but we are near 2011-2013, coming solar storm, with damaging most satelits, and another 10-11 years, another one even more stronger, and the oil is running out, etc etc etc...

but i would love to give them 5 dollars to cool down the weather for us in here in summer :]

and earth quackes, are not the only problem, it's the least, it's an earthquacke, but what about turning the country into a completly desertic place with no drop of water, i wonder what would it happen...

HAARP, the technology to manipulate or control weather. For earthquake creation they use Extremely Low Frequency (EMF) technology. The low frequencies sync up and the pressure built up on the plates is released in the form of an earthquake.

Nice post...Thank you very much for your efforts!!

March 8, 2010

“You’re Next”, US Warns Iran After Turkey Earthquake Hit

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers


Russian military intelligence directorate (GRU) sources are reporting to Prime Minister Putin that during an unprecedented meeting held between Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and United States Secretary of Defense Robert Gates this morning in Kabul, Afghanistan, the Persian Nation was bluntly told by the US that they were next to be targeted by their HAARP Earthquake Weapon that has been terrorizing the entire World these past few months.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1349.htm

I see your HTML1, freebie woo woo webpage and raise you a HTML2 woo page.

http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/there-is-no-such-person-as-sorcha-faal-russian-academic

Oh come on, HAARP conspiracy myths can be traced back to soviet propoganda. Anyone that believes HAARP can cause an earthquake is a dumbass. Pure and simple. A two-bit, dropout, failure dumbass.

HAARP cannot create an earthquake, end of story.