I'm a citizen of both Canada, which is where I grew up, and the US, which is where I was born. Canada is great for it's free and universal coverage healthcare. But if you want to reach for the stars, the US is still the place to be. I certainly would only want to live in countries that are full fledged (more or less liberal) democracies, like Israel and those in the EU. So I guess it's the "west" for me.

But based on their remarks and logic, it seems to me that there are some members here who would as a matter of principle make choices differing from mine, perhaps so that they may help set the rest of the world straight about their chosen country (or whatever). But maybe these people will turn out to see things my way after all.

I live in The Netherlands which is pretty liberal. I actually think The Netherlands is one of the best countries in the world to live in.
If I had to pick another country it would most likely be Sweden or Norway.
I wouldn't want to live in any country outside Europe though, however, Australia could be an exception.
I don't know what you mean by "Are you a hypocrite?".

I do not see the EU and Israel as more liberal than the U.S. and canada . Since when there are more democracies in Israel and the EU ?. Do you know how many countries are there in the EU ?. Each country is different of course !. Actually I prefer a nation with educated people and less crimes and corruption . For now I call it " X ".

Actually I prefer a nation with educated people and less crimes and corruption . For now I call it " X ".
Or you could call it Sweden.

I would most like to live in Beirut, because I love Beirut. I would least like to live in Beirut, because I can't fly freely there. I won't wind up gilded-cage jaded and aged. Bay Rooties and uprooties show how to live happy with broken hearts.

I'm quite happy living in Canada as is, though I wouldn't mind living a few years abroad just to sample it. I think in terms of quality of life, not only are we consistently ranked near the top year after year, but with our massive landmass and tiny population, we each own an enormous inheritance. The Northwest Passage is opening up, meaning we might soon own the shortest sea route between Europe and Asia.

All these other countries around the world think they're so great because they crank out children to fill up their lands. Where are they all planning on getting their water from in 100 years?

All these other countries around the world think they're so great because they crank out children to fill up their lands. Where are they all planning on getting their water from in 100 years?

From Canada of course.......:rolleyes:.

I'm happiest in Mumbai which is where I live. If I had to choose another place, it would be London because it feels like Mumbai.

If I had to choose another place, it would be London because it feels like Mumbai.

lol Why ? Because of all the Indian immigrants ? :D

lol Why ? Because of all the Indian immigrants ? :D

Nope, its a city "feel". I spent almost all my time in London walking around, sometimes from morning till late evening. Although I had some help, its a city that is instinctively easy to get around in and you don't feel like an "outsider" anywhere. People are comfortable to be with and help out spontaneously. I loved the market in Camden, the street theater in Leicester, the narrow dark alleys, the old old buildings, the crazy triangular junctions, the ridiculously pompous architecture. I loved it all. I'm definitely going back. :D

Inshallah, the Ms. and I shall visit England this winter. Mostly in the country, though. There's a lot to feel there, too. It could never be like old times, without old places.

The Northwest Passage is opening up, meaning we might soon own the shortest sea route between Europe and Asia.

Or rather, you might soon get pwned by the strategic weight of such a development.

Me? Ooh, I'd want to live in Gaza City! They get to carry their guns around and apparently shoot anyone they want any time they want. What the hell could be better than that? ...LOL!

Baron Max

Preliminary judgement: You sam are a great big motherf*****g hypocritic.

Reported. I can defend any country I like. Its called having an opinion.

"Preliminary judgement: You sam are a great big... "

I agree (your judgement is quite preliminary). I tried to warn you,..

Anyway back on topic are you a hypocrite p-brane?

Exactly. He lives in Canada and defends US and Israel. All these countries were established by mass murder and ethnic cleansing. Hardly liberty and freedom. If I eliminate everyone who has a right to what I want, clearly I'll be free. :rolleyes:

Like my momma always always said (not really) "elimination begins at home" (ideally).

Reported. I can defend any country I like. Its called having an opinion.


So that's what you've been doing here? Posting your personal "opinions"...erh...uh....hmm, lets see...59,288 times? No sam, innocent opinion is one thing, but spreading hateful propaganda with a real agenda is quite another and no one here has any illusions about what category your "opinions" fall into.

"hateful propaganda"

How very entertaining. May we have some examples, p-brane?

"a real agenda"

:eek: OMG

A Real Agenda? :gasp:

I don't think I need to actually burn Jews to have an opinion that its wrong. As for hateful propaganda, you conveniently appear everytime the Israeli news releases information on yet another hasbara team being set out. I bet your entire thread was aimed at me.

This is going to be good: P-brane is going to unmask your hateful propaganda, and reveal your um,.. agenda. :popcorn:

I already know his:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=94714

Really? :eek:

We have met The Enemy and he is...

p-brane?

Exactly. He lives in Canada and defends US and Israel.


That's the point, I defend places I'd actually live in and don't need to lie about them.


...these countries were established by mass murder and ethnic cleansing.


As you very well know, I'm not talking about history. I'm talking about the present. I'm sure I wouldn't have wanted to live in any given country sufficiently far back in it's history.

He joined during the Gaza holocaust with this thread


For the record,

Does anyone here believe Israel intentionally targets civilians in general, and women and children in particular?

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=89588

And now he's back again in July, when the temp internet soldiers have been re-recruited to foment anti-Iran rhetoric

http://www.sciforums.com/search.php?searchid=3427600

Hmmm. What do you have to say in response to these charges Mr... P-Brane?

He seems to have popped out for a consult with his CO

I loved the market in Camden, the street theater in Leicester,
Leicester SQUARE not Leicester, presumably?
Unless you had a really long walk.

Yeah Lester Square [the rest of the alphabets being superfluous]. That place where the actors stand around to meet people and impromptu break dancing and street theater takes place. I just missed Dustin Hoffman when he came to promote that awful middle aged romance movie.

All these countries were established by mass murder and ethnic cleansing.

Perhaps you could furnish an example of a country not established through mass murder and ethnic cleansing?

Whoever personally feels left out in the tiresome musical-chairs game of conquest does not get to compel the world to keep playing it. We don't want another round of it. We're moving on now.

He seems to have popped out for a consult with his CO


"Popped out"? You've been a member here something like 2.3 times longer than I have. Yet at 59300 posts, you've posted 525 times more than I. Sadly, this indicates that this forum is your entire life (this is one of the reasons I don't believe you're here merely to express a "personal opinion"). On the other hand I pop in every so often - briefly - you know, when I have the time. Back to you social reject.

Perhaps you could furnish an example of a country not established through mass murder and ethnic cleansing?

True, most of the countries today were established by the same people who ethnically cleansed the US and Canada. Perhaps I should have said pbrane prefers to live in countries where the natives have been eliminated and replaced by people who look like him.

True, most of the countries today were established by the same people who ethnically cleansed the US and Canada.


You where asked by quadraphonics if you would care to grace us with the name of any country that wasn't established by brutal means.


Perhaps I should have said pbrane prefers to live in countries where the natives have been eliminated and replaced by people who look like him.


Again you either miss the point or intentionally twist the meaning of this thread and my posts. I don't deny that what country I - and every person on the planet who is in a position to - choose to live in doesn't depend on the entire history of that country, including on the brutal way it was almost certainly established.

Now, getting down to brass tacks, why is it that you have such a huge problem with the idea of you living in a country like Iran?

"You where asked by quadraphonics if you would care to grace us with the name of any country that wasn't established by brutal means."

Switzerland (http://history-switzerland.geschichte-schweiz.ch/switzerland-federal-constitution-1848.html).

I just think its interesting that you feel "free" in all countries where the natives were massacred and exterminated to the extent of handing over complete control of the land and its resources to outsiders.

Boy, that is some kind of freedom.

PS. Tell your CO he sucks as a backup

From Canada of course.......:rolleyes:.

We will make you pay through the nose to obtain it. And only if we have enough to spare, of course.


Or rather, you might soon get pwned by the strategic weight of such a development.

I'm not opposed to starting a military nuclear program if any of the big powers want to push our borders back. Noone claims the Mississippi river as international territory, it's laughable that anyone would claim the Northwest Passage as such, and I don't think we should let ourselves get pushed around even if we have to die to secure our childrens' future.

bleh

I would most like to live in Beirut, because I love Beirut. I would least like to live in Beirut, because I can't fly freely there. I won't wind up gilded-cage jaded and aged. Bay Rooties and uprooties show how to live happy with broken hearts.

Beirut is almost as good as Latakia, and Damashq.

Which should make my position clear, Syria is probably the country I'd choose to live in apart from the US.


I live in The Netherlands which is pretty liberal. I actually think The Netherlands is one of the best countries in the world to live in.
If I had to pick another country it would most likely be Sweden or Norway.
I wouldn't want to live in any country outside Europe though, however, Australia could be an exception.
I don't know what you mean by "Are you a hypocrite?".
The Netherlands is decent, but I wouldn't want to live there. Too soft, and they are socialists.

I'm not opposed to starting a military nuclear program if any of the big powers want to push our borders back.

What you'll need is a real navy. But Canada has no prospect of affording such things. The only options are to jump into bed with the US, or accept being marginalized in the Arctic.



I don't think we should let ourselves get pushed around even if we have to die to secure our childrens' future.

What if you die and still don't secure your childrens' futures? The other countries jockeying for power in the arctic have vastly larger populations and economies than Canada. You're going to have to play junior partner to one of them, or get pushed around.

Exactly. He lives in Canada and defends US and Israel. All these countries were established by mass murder and ethnic cleansing. Hardly liberty and freedom. If I eliminate everyone who has a right to what I want, clearly I'll be free. :rolleyes:

Doesn't the support of the England in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention their hand in establishing the state of israel, also award it as a country 'established by mass murder and ethnic cleansing'? I would get into their role in Africa, India and elsewhere but you get the picture I presume.

Some people just don't get it that to be a loyal to liberty, "Western Democracy", and justice and equality for women you must support Jordan and oppose Syria, support Columbia and oppose Venezuela, support Saudi Arabia and oppose Iran, support the crazy militant Islamic Extremist anti-feminist thieving rapist Afghan Warlords and oppose the more honest but more Islamic extremist Afghan Taliban, support Israel oppose Palestinians, support Georgia and oppose Russia and the Ossetions and above all support the Neocons inside and outside the US government and oppose any nation, movement or person Ameican or non-American that criticizes Neocon ideology.

Now explain again p-brane how anybody who lives in a Western Democracy anywhere in the world while rejecting the leadership of Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz is a hypocrite?

What you'll need is a real navy. But Canada has no prospect of affording such things. The only options are to jump into bed with the US, or accept being marginalized in the Arctic.

We have the means for a proper navy to patrol the area. I'm not gonna pretend it would be any match for America's navy, but it would be enough to assert sovereignty over the area and to keep the pesky Danes out. Of course it all depends on our weak-willed politicians growing a pair and recognizing that at some point, 500 years of economic prosperity is more important than throwing another 10 billion dollars at health care. So that's the real challenge, to see if our people are willing to make the sacrifices necessary to face down threats like fascist Russia.


What if you die and still don't secure your childrens' futures? The other countries jockeying for power in the arctic have vastly larger populations and economies than Canada. You're going to have to play junior partner to one of them, or get pushed around.

Basically, if anyone's savage enough to invade a territory that clearly belongs to us and has been under our control for more than 100 years, I would rather watch their cities burn along with ours than capitulate and see them carve us up piece by piece. Countries like Russia have more than enough territory as is, in fact I think their rights to much of the territory they already control should be openly called into question. I think most of us would be willing to cut a special deal with the US as long as fundamental sovereingty over the Passage stays in Canadian hands, but again I would personally push the nuke button (having prepared the option in advance) rather than see America do to us what it did to Panama.

lol Why ? Because of all the Indian immigrants ? :D

Maybe more Indians in Leeds, Bradford and Manchester than in London .

Doesn't the support of the England in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention their hand in establishing the state of israel, also award it as a country 'established by mass murder and ethnic cleansing'? I would get into their role in Africa, India and elsewhere but you get the picture I presume.
A colonialist and an imperialist is always a colonialist and an imperialist . The British history is just that for the whole world to see .

...explain again p-brane how anybody who lives in a Western Democracy anywhere in the world while rejecting the leadership of Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz is a hypocrite?


Respectfully nirakar, this is not what I'm talking about. To help you see this. let me point out that your question can be asked in the following equivalent way: "Aren't people who vote against their current government hipocrites?" Clearly the answer is no since this is the whole point of democracy.

What I was referring to is the way that some members deliberately mislead in their effort to spread their own antisemitism by portraying the kinds of dictatorships one finds in the middle east as being no worse than any western style liberal democracy, and yet refuse to put their money where their mouth is and post in this thread that they'd have no problem living in, for example, a country like iran.

Nope, its a city "feel". I spent almost all my time in London walking around, sometimes from morning till late evening. Although I had some help, its a city that is instinctively easy to get around in and you don't feel like an "outsider" anywhere. People are comfortable to be with and help out spontaneously. I loved the market in Camden, the street theater in Leicester, the narrow dark alleys, the old old buildings, the crazy triangular junctions, the ridiculously pompous architecture. I loved it all. I'm definitely going back. :D
Cool :)
But are you sure it wasn't more like a holiday feeling ? Would you want to live there forever ?

Cool :)
But are you sure it wasn't more like a holiday feeling ? Would you want to live there forever ?

I know what a holiday feel is. I travel a lot. I could move into London today and not feel that I "moved".


Doesn't the support of the England in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention their hand in establishing the state of israel, also award it as a country 'established by mass murder and ethnic cleansing'? I would get into their role in Africa, India and elsewhere but you get the picture I presume.

What do you think India's position is on the matter?

Maybe more Indians in Leeds, Bradford and Manchester than in London .

I wouldn't know really. I just know that it's said that there are a lot of Indian immigrants in England.

I know what a holiday feel is. I travel a lot. I could move into London today and not feel that I "moved".
Ok :)
I just wonder why anyone would want to live in a big city..

I wonder why anyone wouldn't. It takes all kinds. ;)

I wonder why anyone wouldn't. It takes all kinds. ;)

I don't like masses of people. Large cities are almost invariably rather polluted.
I like to have some nature around, or at least close by. I couldn't live in the world of concrete.

I would like to live in Sakhilin, some place far far way from people and where the people preferably don't speak the same language.

I would like to live in Sakhilin, some place far far way from people and where the people preferably don't speak the same language.

Contradiction alert ! :p

"You where asked by quadraphonics if you would care to grace us with the name of any country that wasn't established by brutal means."

Switzerland (http://history-switzerland.geschichte-schweiz.ch/switzerland-federal-constitution-1848.html).
Go far enough back, and you'll find a bit of the old hack 'n slash there, too...
considering at least one of their minority populations is more than likely made up of dispossessed dregs wandering Europe during the middle ages. That does indicate a people formed as a direct result of violence.

Take any nation on Earth with a stable existence over any length of time, and I'll show you one which no bastard had either the will or resources to try and conquer due to geographical advantage... or because no one wanted it.

We will make you pay through the nose to obtain it. And only if we have enough to spare, of course.
Sort of an "H2OPEC" ?

The US States & Canadian Provinces with Great Lakes coastlines could secede from their respective countries, form their own nation, and sell "Inland Seas Clear" to the dehydrated masses gasping for a cool drink O' water.

LoL



it's laughable that anyone would claim the Northwest Passage as such, and I don't think we should let ourselves get pushed around even if we have to die to secure our childrens' future.
Don't laugh too hard.

Crazy Ivan already claimed they own the North Pole. Next thing you know, they'll be ranting on about how since the newly opened Northwest passage's waters lapped up against the shore of Russia at some point in time, they have the right to control that, too !
:rolleyes:

Sort of an "H2OPEC" ?

The US States & Canadian Provinces with Great Lakes coastlines could secede from their respective countries, form their own nation, and sell "Inland Seas Clear" to the dehydrated masses gasping for a cool drink O' water.

LoL

Actually yeah, water will soon be the new oil. Kinda scary that the nations of the world are using it so irresponsibly when it's already becoming scarce, and Canada is practically the only country that hasn't yet encountered this problem. It's not the end of the world, in theory countries like the US could build enough desalination plants to supply its needs... will cost them an arm and a leg, though. Interesting that you mention separatism- if people in the Great Lakes region wanted to separate, I can see our government responding "Screw you! Just 'cuz most Canadians don't have a rusty summer cottage on one of these lakes, doesn't mean they don't own it! Who regulates the pH? Huh? Who checks for all those nasty bugs and diseases while you're all busy making barbecues, rubber tubing and having sex with your cousins?" No way we'd let them bolt unless they had some centuries-old ancestral claim to the land, and noone else ever used it.


Don't laugh too hard.

Crazy Ivan already claimed they own the North Pole. Next thing you know, they'll be ranting on about how since the newly opened Northwest passage's waters lapped up against the shore of Russia at some point in time, they have the right to control that, too !
:rolleyes:

I would love to get the west into an arms race with Russia. Last time they tried to be a bully on the world stage, they went bankrupt and have been a mess ever since. So now they have some rusty boats left over from 3 decades ago and they're still parading them around the world, trying to make smaller countries pee their pants. I say let's get them into another arms race and bankrupt them beyond the point of no return. And if they do choose to send that rusty 'ole navy into our corner of the ring, we ought to have an arsenal of cheap and effective cruise missiles ready to knock 'em out. As one US admiral once said, "There's two types of ships in the navy: submarines, and targets."

Some more realities on the ground for the hypocrites:


As I write these words, it’s almost midnight and we are sitting on the roof of my house, on the look-out for the Israeli army. It’s been two months since the most recent wave of night raids began, with the army now employing a new strategy of arresting every villager who attends the demonstrations, in an attempt to crush our campaign of nonviolent resistance. Up until now eleven people have been arrested, but the list of those wanted is much, much longer. So in Bi’lin, no one goes to sleep before four or five in the morning. We stay awake all night, observing the movements of the Israeli military, fearing that we may be the next person to be kidnapped and thrown in jail. Our nights have become our days, and our days have become our nights. For some it is more difficult than others because of work commitments, but we have no choice.

But it’s not only the adults who stay awake. Our children can’t sleep either, afraid that the army will burst into his or her room in the middle of the night. They don’t knock on the door during the night raids. So imagine the horror for a child to wake up to find a stranger with a painted face pointing his gun in their face. We don’t stay up so much to avoid arrest, but to avoid facing this terrible moment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lamia-khatib/an-account-of-life-on-the_b_257942.html

I live in Canada. A place said to be free because it is a democracy, but a place very controlled nonetheless.

I want to live in a world that is striving for unity, and slowly filtering out all the control. A place that looks for solutions to problems, rather than looking at how to make a profit. A place where humanity, environment, and other species are more important than money. A place that utilizes all resources to the best of our ability so everyone gets the resources they need. A place that recognizes beliefs are not known, so we don't dwell on our beliefs. A place that sets aside our individual desires and goals, so we can reach together for common goals that can make this world a better place. A place that we humans are more than capable of acheiving, if we ever really wanted to find such a place. ;)

As for where I don't want to live, I could just say I don't want to live in this controlled world! But that wouldn't be a good enough answer since many places are far worse off then me!
So I will just say, I wouldn't want to live anywhere that doesn't have the resources to support the population.

I`m happy to live in Russia. We got many problems here and it`s certainly not a democratic country, but still it`s ok for me. There`s a lot of things I love. I think it would be more difficult for me to adapt to some other society than stay here, thugh I`d like to spend a couple of years abroad.

This world is full of racism, hatred, hypocrisy, injustice....etc...I need another planet....:mad:.

This world is full of racism, hatred, hypocrisy, injustice....etc...I need another planet....:mad:.

There are eight other planets in this solar system, and none of them harbor racists..

Me? Ooh, I'd want to live in Gaza City! They get to carry their guns around and apparently shoot anyone they want any time they want. What the hell could be better than that? ...LOL!

Baron Max

LOL..........

I have only ever lived in Canada, but from what I hear about other countries I think I will stay put. I love our health care system and relatively low pollution and filth I see in some other countries. I like the weather here and couldn't live anywhere that was hot all the time. I visited Europe and Germany was quite nice but I still prefer Canada.

I would NOT want to live in India!

What do you think India's position is on the matter?

I didn't ask you what India's position on the matter was. I asked why do you feel so comfortable and 'at home' as if 'you were home' in a country that has troops abroad killing in afghanistan and iraq and has an imperialist past. You say you dislike these kind of nations yet you wouldn't mind placing your carcass there.

There are eight other planets in this solar system, and none of them harbor racists..

How do you know? Have you visited them recently? ;)

How do you know? Have you visited them recently? ;)

Yep, I personally inspected them all. No racist to be found on either of them..

Yep, I personally inspected them all. No racist to be found on either of them..

Really?

Then explain why aliens only abduct white ppl?

Really?

Then explain why aliens only abduct white ppl?

There are no alien abductions. White people may just be plagued by mental issues more :D

There are no alien abductions. White people may just be plagued by mental issues more :D

Are you saying I have mental issues? :p

Are you saying I have mental issues? :p

Hmm.. err.. maybe. Depends. :shy: