Armenian genocide (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7038900.stm)
The Turkish president has denounced a vote by a committee of the US Congress recognizing as genocide the 1915 mass killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks


So why did the Turkish Muslims kill millions of Armenian Christians?

Armenian genocide (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7038900.stm)
The Turkish president has denounced a vote by a committee of the US Congress recognizing as genocide the 1915 mass killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks


So why did the Turkish Muslims kill millions of Armenian Christians?

Because you people do not know a shit about the history nor do you care about the real thing and your politicians are more than eager to do anything, even mess with the real history, to get votes.
I'm also damn sure you have not heard a word about Turkey formally announcing it opens its archive to the historians and calling for Armenia and the third parties to do the same, which was downright rejected, and promising it would accept the decisions made by a boards of eligible historians after an extensive study of these archives. History is not to be dictated by the politicians or the media but by the historians.

For some sources for those who want to learn about the other side of the real story:

http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/intro/index.html

http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/

For some insight into the real cause of the allegations:

http://www.turkishweekly.net/editorial.php?id=12

Because you people do not know a shit about the history

They killed them because we don't know shit about the history?

As usual it seems the Ottoman Turks/Moslems, got their ass's kicked by the Russian during WWI, and they blamed the Armenian Christians for their loss, and so as to salve their pride they started to beat up on the Dhimmis, the Armenians.

The basis of the Turkeys denial of the Genocide is that it wasn't state organized, but the facts don't seem to bear that out, and to say the state didn't organize it, is the equivalent argument of the Germans after WWII, that I was only following orders, The state is responsible for the protection of all of it citizens, and to fail to protect one segment of that population from the Majority population of that country, it is state sponsorship, and when you mix in the Moslem vs: Christian, the bigotry becomes apparent.

The same method and terminology as used by the Nazis, they only wanted to relocate, and allow immigration's, for the good of the Jews, they recorded the type, quantity, and value of the "immigrant" property, as well as recording the names of the owners and where they were sent, and made them pay the cost of the immigration, they were relocated to the Ghettoes, for their own good, and then where were they allowed to immigrate? Auschwitz, Dachau, Sachsenhausen, Buchenwald, Flossenbürg, Mauthausen..........


Currently, regarding the activities performed under Tehcir Law, May 1915, the Republic of Turkey rejects the use of word "deportation" and "refugee".[2] Turkey uses the terminology "relocation" (resettlement) and "immigrant". Turkey cites that the process was between May 27, 1915 to February 8, 1916, and all the destination regions were within the Ottoman Empire's borders. According to revisionist historians, the Ottoman government perceived the immigrants as its citizens and took extensive measures to record the type, quantity, and value of the "immigrant" property, as well as recording the names of the owners and where they were sent.[

It is interesting that Hitler modeled his genocide on the Ottoman Turks genocide of the Armenians, and the Moslem Leaders lead their people to support Hitler's during WWII..

Morgenthau, Ambassador Henry, Sr.
Henry Morgenthau (1856-1946) was United States ambassador to the Ottoman Empire during the Armenian Genocide. A naturalized American from a German Jewish ...
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/morgenthau.html

http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/comment/morgenthau/Morgen24.htm




Somewhat surprisingly to many, Armenians and Turks lived in relative harmony in the Ottoman Empire for centuries. Armenians were known as the "loyal millet". During these times, although Armenians were not equal and had to put up with certain special hardships, taxes and second class citizenship



MySpaceTV: Caravan by Shervin Youssefian by MUSIC VIDEO PRODUCTION
The saddest part in the Armenian genocide is when turks stripped Armenian women naked and ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Armenian_Population ...
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=651822806

..... and when you mix in the Moslem vs: Christian, the bigotry becomes apparent.

Bulshit... There has never ever been a muslim vs. Christian bias in Turkey. Your long statements are all based on your classic anti-muslim hatred Bufallo.



and the Moslem Leaders lead their people to support Hitler's during WWII..


Just this line shows how ignorant you are of history


During the tragic days of World War II, Turkey managed to maintain its neutrality. As early as 1933 Ataturk invited numbers of prominent German Jewish professors to flee Nazi Germany and settle in Turkey. Before and during the war years, these scholars contributed a great deal to the development of the Turkish university system. During World War II Turkey served as a safe passage for many Jews fleeing the horrors of the Nazism. While the Jewish communities of Greece were wiped out almost completely by Hitler, the Turkish Jews remained secure. Several Turkish diplomats Ambassadors Behic Erkin and Numan Menemencioglu; ConsulGenerals Fikret Sefik Ozdoganci, Bedii Arbel, Selahattin Ulkumen; Consuls Namik Kemal Yolga and Necdet Kent, just to name only few of them (7) spent all their efforts to save from the Holocaust the Turkish Jews in those countries, and succeeded. Mr. Salahattin Ulkumen, Consul General at Rhodes in 1943 1944, has been recognized by the Yad Vashem as a Righteous Gentile "Hassid Umot ha'Olam" in June 1990. Turkey continues to be a shelter, a haven for all those who have to flee the dogmatism, intolerance and persecution.

http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/Turks-save-Jews.htm

http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2007/08/turkish-jews-reject-adls-policy-on.html

Bulshit... There has never ever been a muslim vs. Christian bias in Turkey. Your long statements are all based on your classic anti-muslim hatred Bufallo.

Then feel free to post a refutation of my premise, your above post is a pathetic, opinion with no cognitive thought needed, but then most of your post are devoid of cognitive though.

The Turkish archives contain accounts written by the Turks in charge at the time. The idea of bias has obviously never crossed the minds of its supporters, has it?

Bulshit... There has never ever been a muslim vs. Christian bias in Turkey. Your long statements are all based on your classic anti-muslim hatred Bufallo.



Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam
and the Moslem Leaders lead their people to support Hitler's during WWII..

Just this line shows how ignorant you are of history


http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/Turks-save-Jews.htm

http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2007/08/turkish-jews-reject-adls-policy-on.html


http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com/2007/08/turkish-jews-reject-adls-policy-on.html

What would you expect? they are on the bull's-eye, and from the reactions of Moslems to anything they perceive as criticism,


18 February: Sixteen people are killed in attacks against Christian targets in the northern Nigerian city of Maiduguri.

Really? I am the one ignorate of History? then what about the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini ... Hanjar Division and Gebirgs divisions of the Waffen SS which he personally recruited for Hitler. ...eh?

Kharaillah Tulfah, close friend of Amin Al-Husseini and his main partner during the pro-Nazi coup [ix] in 1941 in Baghdad.

The mufti barely escaped trial for treason by fleeing to Egypt in 1946. There he made young Yasser Arafat, then living in Cairo, his protégé. The mufti secretly imported a former Nazi commando officer into Egypt to teach Mr. Arafat and other teenage recruits the fine points of guerrilla warfare. Mr. Arafat learned his lessons well – the mufti was so proud of him he even pretended the two of them were blood relations.

Historical connections with the Nazis abound, it may be you who needs the history lesson.

The countries of Argentina, Lithuania, Netherlands, Canada, Uruguay, Itilay, Lebanon, Belgium, Cyprus, Russia, Greece, Sweden, Slovakia, Poland, America, Germany, the European Parliament, all recognize that the Genocid of the Armenians took place, and a little reading of history seems to show that special attention was paid to the Armenians to remove them from their homes and lands.,


NPR : Turkey Pressed to Admit Armenian Genocide
Turkey Pressed to Admit Armenian Genocide ... probe with neighboring Armenia, many Turks continue to be defensive about what they call `the Armenian issue. ...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4620581


THE ARAB/MUSLIM NAZI CONNECTION
The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection. Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini ... Division" of the Waffen SS which he personally recruited for Hitler. ...
http://christianactionforisrael.org/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html

Hitler's Soviet Muslim Legions
The Grand Mufti approved the plan to raise a Turkic-Muslim SS division and give ... imams for the Muslim military units in the Waffen SS and the Wehrmacht. ...
http://stosstruppen39-45.tripod.com/id10.html

The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection - Anti-Semitism and Holocaust
A picture taken in 1943 of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin ... The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Adolf Hitler first seized power in Germany ...
http://christianactionforisrael.org/antiholo/arabnazi.html

Hitler And The Grand Mufti Of Jerusalem: Origins Of Modern Islamic ...
The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the ...
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/08/hitler_and_the_1.php

ps: I don't hate Moslems, why would I? I hate the duplicity of Islam, and the acts committed by Moslems in the name of God, and then justified with the Qur'an and the Hadiths, the talk of being peaceful and the reality of murdered innocents, both Moslem and all the rest, the burned churches, the slavery that is still in practice, the systemic hatred of the Jews, and the constant sermons from the Mosques of Jihad, and the oppression of Islam, the oppression comes from Islam.

Turkish people waged war on all around them...including Armenia and Russia...the question is why havent they killed each other off yet?

*Turks say they have documentation of the Armenians' genocide of Turks

*Armenians say Turks have commited genocide against Armenians (but there is almost no proof, since it was destroyed by Turks)

so how can we know who is lying? or, how can we know that they even have the right info?

i have no grudges against Turks or Armenians, so i don't want to offend any of them by saying they're wrong. how come people are so quick in confirming one's story but denying the other's?

*Turks say they have documentation of the Armenians' genocide of Turks

*Armenians say Turks have commited genocide against Armenians (but there is almost no proof, since it was destroyed by Turks)

so how can we know who is lying? or, how can we know that they even have the right info?

i have no grudges against Turks or Armenians, so i don't want to offend any of them by saying they're wrong. how come people are so quick in confirming one's story but denying the other's?


Turks are lying...their history is full of war...a small genocide in history is nothing for them. But they gotta keep a good image to the international press.

Turks are lying...
you're just saying that because you've got a feeling about them. but you have absolutely no way of knowing

you're just saying that because you've got a feeling about them. but you have absolutely no way of knowing

yeah your basically right. :D

*Turks say they have documentation of the Armenians' genocide of Turks

*Armenians say Turks have commited genocide against Armenians (but there is almost no proof, since it was destroyed by Turks)

so how can we know who is lying? or, how can we know that they even have the right info?

i have no grudges against Turks or Armenians, so i don't want to offend any of them by saying they're wrong. how come people are so quick in confirming one's story but denying the other's?

Good grief. Read history. The Turks massacred hundreds of thousands of Armenians. It's the world that knows this and not 'something the Armenians say'. The Turkish denial is based on the Armenians not being the only target. That's like the Germans wanting to ignore their murder of Jews because they also murdered Gypsies and others.

appeal to emotion ("it's like Germans doing this and that") or to numbers ("the world knows this") don't make it true.

i wasn't able to find the website (i googled for like 10 minutes) but a few months ago i encountered a Turkish website that has a huge and detailed archive of [alleged] a genocide by Armenians against Turks occuring at about the same time as the Armenian genocide.

what reason do i have not to believe them?

i'll keep looking and will post the link ASAP if i find it.

man... too many sources to go through @ Wiki... i'm too tired to do that right now (just came from work)

anyway, saying that there was a genocide of Turks does not make the genocide of the Armenians false. i just have a feeling that since Turks were a huge empire before 1917, there has been a general dislike of them by many former subject nations, hence their stories are not as believed.

case in point: just read Draqon's responses a few posts above mine.

so maybe there were mass killings of Turks but not enough light has been shed on it... who knows

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=651822806

Anyone watch the video? Christ, if that's not genocide then what is?



I'd also like to point out this: Why is the USA sticking it's nose into the affairs of 100 years ago? Why? I know Armenians (well actually Aussie but they think of themselves as Armenian because their family is Armenian (a few generations ago). They can speak the language so I suppose that have a claim and they'd appreciate this sentiment - a little (they don't trust the USA anyway). But why are we doing it now?

Anyway, second point, why doesn't the USA Senate censure the English for their genocide against the Aboriginals in Australia or the Native Americans in North America or censure the Spanish for their genocide against the central and south Americans or censure the French and Dutch and Portuguese and English for their genocide against pacific islanders?

It just seems very odd to me that the USA needs to stick it's nose into the business of Turkey and NOT into the business of the English or the French or the etc...

You need to consider the larger political context.

Now Turkey is free to raid Iraq in pursuit of PKK and close airspace to the Americans. More instability in the Middle East.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071009/ap_on_re_mi_ea/turkey_kurds

I'd also like to point out this: Why is the USA sticking it's nose into the affairs of 100 years ago? Why? .......
It just seems very odd to me that the USA needs to stick it's nose into the business of Turkey and NOT into the business of the English or the French or the etc...

Very very good question. And the answer is ...

Armenia you see is a simple minded country, the people are bit nomadic...they do not have a very good centralized government, it has integrated itself into many cultures such as Georgia...and Georgia is now very heavily supported by USA since USA plans to install military rocket bases there to be used against Iran and Russia. If US will back up Georgia and Armenia closeness...Georgians will be more likely to cooperate with the installation of military contingency in the area.

Seems a bit conspiracy theory-ish to me. Turkey is also just as free to not raid Iraq and regardless of what the USA does there will remain animosity between the Kurds and everyone around them. As for Georgia, how dependent is their economy on Russia's good graces? Very or not very?

Seems a bit conspiracy theory-ish to me. Turkey is also just as free to not raid Iraq and regardless of what the USA does there will remain animosity between the Kurds and everyone around them.

They've already approved it; the Iraq war will probably become known as the point when the world turned to crap.


Turkey: Government approves cross border raid into Iraq



Ankara, 9 Oct. (AKI) - Turkey's prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and high-ranking military officials have approved a potential cross-border military operation to counter Kurdish separatists.

At a security summit in the Turkish capital Ankara on Tuesday, top bureaucrats and army officials, led by Erdogan, agreed to take tougher measures to stop militants from the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) staging terrorist attacks.

“To put an end to the terrorist organisation operating in Iraq, the order has been given to take every kind of measure, legal, economic, political, including also a cross-border operation if necessary," the officials said in a statement issued after the meeting.

Anyway, second point, why doesn't the USA Senate censure the English for their genocide against the Aboriginals in Australia or the Native Americans in North America or censure the Spanish for their genocide against the central and south Americans or censure the French and Dutch and Portuguese and English for their genocide against pacific islanders?

It just seems very odd to me that the USA needs to stick it's nose into the business of Turkey and NOT into the business of the English or the French or the etc...

Because the Aremnian lobby in the US is a lot stronger than the non-existant aboriginal or pacific islander lobbies--the Native Americans probably do have some political clout but the US isn't going to condemn itself.

The BBC story on this also points out that the Armenian lobby is particular strong in States that have a lot of political clout (like Michigan, California & Massachusetts):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7040344.stm

It's a non-binding resolution so it really doesn't mean anything as far as US policy is concerned--these are just politicians' way to make voters happy without actually doing anything. It really does come down to national politics for congress, with the Bush administration being against it because it affects international politics.

They've already approved it; the Iraq war will probably become known as the point when the world turned to crap.Maybe so, but (not to seem uncaring) but relatively, I don't think that war is that important and ifnations are able to ween themselves from being so oil dependent it matters even less so. If we are not prepared then I'd say that the day we hit the wall in terms of oil as the day the world turns to crap.

Lets face it, the Iraq war II is just one in a long line of wars the USA has fought without achieving much of any of it's goals. In 20 years that generation of Americans will know as much about Iraq as this generations knows about Korea and Vietnam - not much at all.

Anyway, we're getting a new president in a year and I think things will turn up then - at least for the USA. Not to mention your country and China seem to be on the rise so the world is far from crap-o-la yet.
I think OIL is the main issue in regards to world excrement .


That aside, I am going to specifically ask my Armenian buddy today what he thinks of the whole US Senate's decision.

MII

I doubt a change in Presidents will change anything.

The new president will have to make a plan for making an alliance with whomever's going to be in charge and exiting. I suspect Iraq will be split into two or three countries and left to fight it out amongst themselves. Sort of like North and South Ireland or North and South Korea or North and South Cyprus or north and south Vietnam (initially then they fought it out) or north and south India (ala Pakistan) or north and south Iraq.. oh wait that hasn't happened yet...

Personally, I'm expecting a Republican victory

Haaaa! I swear I'll eat my underwear if Republicans win.

The Turkish archives contain accounts written by the Turks in charge at the time. The idea of bias has obviously never crossed the minds of its supporters, has it?

Wrong, The Turkish archives also do contain accounts from Russian and European sources and what Turkey is calling for is not to make the final decision solely on the basis of these documents. Turkey says let us all open our archives fully and let a committe of historians from both sides as well as other neutral historians decide as to what really happened.
One also shouldn't forget that hundreds of thousands of muslim Turks and Kurds were also killed by the armenian gangs at that era.

What would you expect? they are on the bull's-eye, and from the reactions of Moslems to anything they perceive as criticism,

Really? I am the one ignorate of History? then what about the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini ... Hanjar Division and Gebirgs divisions of the Waffen SS which he personally recruited for Hitler. ...eh?

Kharaillah Tulfah, close friend of Amin Al-Husseini and his main partner during the pro-Nazi coup [ix] in 1941 in Baghdad.

The mufti barely escaped trial for treason by fleeing to Egypt in 1946. There he made young Yasser Arafat, then living in Cairo, his protégé. The mufti secretly imported a former Nazi commando officer into Egypt to teach Mr. Arafat and other teenage recruits the fine points of guerrilla warfare. Mr. Arafat learned his lessons well – the mufti was so proud of him he even pretended the two of them were blood relations.

Historical connections with the Nazis abound, it may be you who needs the history lesson.

The countries of Argentina, Lithuania, Netherlands, Canada, Uruguay, Itilay, Lebanon, Belgium, Cyprus, Russia, Greece, Sweden, Slovakia, Poland, America, Germany, the European Parliament, all recognize that the Genocid of the Armenians took place, and a little reading of history seems to show that special attention was paid to the Armenians to remove them from their homes and lands.,


NPR : Turkey Pressed to Admit Armenian Genocide
Turkey Pressed to Admit Armenian Genocide ... probe with neighboring Armenia, many Turks continue to be defensive about what they call `the Armenian issue. ...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4620581


THE ARAB/MUSLIM NAZI CONNECTION
The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection. Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini ... Division" of the Waffen SS which he personally recruited for Hitler. ...
http://christianactionforisrael.org/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html

Hitler's Soviet Muslim Legions
The Grand Mufti approved the plan to raise a Turkic-Muslim SS division and give ... imams for the Muslim military units in the Waffen SS and the Wehrmacht. ...
http://stosstruppen39-45.tripod.com/id10.html

The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection - Anti-Semitism and Holocaust
A picture taken in 1943 of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin ... The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Adolf Hitler first seized power in Germany ...
http://christianactionforisrael.org/antiholo/arabnazi.html

Hitler And The Grand Mufti Of Jerusalem: Origins Of Modern Islamic ...
The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the ...
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/08/hitler_and_the_1.php

ps: I don't hate Moslems, why would I? I hate the duplicity of Islam, and the acts committed by Moslems in the name of God, and then justified with the Qur'an and the Hadiths, the talk of being peaceful and the reality of murdered innocents, both Moslem and all the rest, the burned churches, the slavery that is still in practice, the systemic hatred of the Jews, and the constant sermons from the Mosques of Jihad, and the oppression of Islam, the oppression comes from Islam.

Classic anti-muslim hatred of you. Also, this maybe news to you, but Turks and Kurds are not of Arab origin, though the Arabic support for the anti-colonial side during the WWII is also quite understandable.

Personally, I'm expecting a Republican victory

um... as absolutely-fuckin-wicked as that would be, i think we right wingers should get used to the idea of President Hillary and her beautiful 1st lady, William

Classic anti-muslim hatred of you. Also, this maybe news to you, but Turks and Kurds are not of Arab origin, though the Arabic support for the anti-colonial side during the WWII is also quite understandable.

It my come as surprise to you but I do know the difference between Turks and Arabs, but what is interesting and I was pointing out was the point where they meet, and that is in Islam, and the Moslems of Islam never take the blame for any thing that goes wrong, its always the Jews or the Christians that stab them in the back.

Turkey at the time of the Ottoman Empire was a Islamic Caliphate, ruled with the Qur'an and Sharia' Law, it was a ally of the Central Powers, led by the Austro-Hungarian, German, alliance, and got is ass handed to it by the Russians, and it seems to have followed the same pattern as always, the Moslems get their ass kicked, and they take it out on the Jews or Christians, they always find some one else to blame for their failures, and then take it out on them.

I find it interesting that the head of the ADL, Abraham Foxman denies such a thing as an "Armenian Genocide" took place. Would seem they'd be all over this.

http://www.jewcy.com/tags/armenian_genocide
http://www.jewcy.com/feature/2007-07-09/fire_foxman

I find it interesting that the head of the ADL, Abraham Foxman denies such a thing as an "Armenian Genocide" took place. Would seem they'd be all over this.


Perhaps you should look at the ADL's statement on the issue rather than articles that are a few months old:
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Mise_00/5114_00.htm

um... as absolutely-fuckin-wicked as that would be, i think we right wingers should get used to the idea of President Hillary and her beautiful 1st lady, William

Americans will not vote a woman into power.

I'm a US Citizen and I am voting for Hillary. My buddy I just spoke with in Florida is voting Hillary.

RE: Armenian genocide.

Looking at the video of the Armenian heads staked in piles - come on, the head chop, that's a tried and true classic. Just ask Danny Pearl.

Michael

I've been thinking more about this Armenian genocide. I have come to the conclusion that the Democrats have decided that this is a great means of splitting some Christians from the Party of God. All good Christians know that this genocide was the work of Satan's little helpers. I can hear it now in Churches all across the Bible Belt, Muslims went on a killing spree and slaughtering millions of innocent Christians from one side of Turkey to the next. Bush, by taking the prudent (over the moral) high ground, has forsaken Good Christian morals and Baby Jesus is crying in heaven as we speak.

The Democrats have begun to use Republican tactics against the Party of God. Slowly splitting off fractions here and there until there if little is anything left.

Combined with Bush's Vote Against Children's Health and losing two Wars the GOP sinks ever deeper into shit.

A sad reality in todays American Politics,
Michael

The Democrats have begun to use Republican tactics against the Party of God. Slowly splitting off fractions here and there until there if little is anything left. Combined with Bush's Vote Against Children's Health and losing two Wars the GOP sinks ever deeper into shit.The Armenian-American community has been trying to get a resolution like this passed for more than twenty years, probably thirty. The majority of them live in California (remember Governor George Deukmejian, author William Saroyan?) and finally a Californian with a huge Armenian constituency in her district is Speaker of the House. That's about all there is to it, a textbook example of synchronicity.

But there may be a subtext. The Democrats are not stupid enough to fail to see the outcome of this: a rift between the U.S. and Turkey, one of our most strategic allies in the Middle East. We won't be able to send supplies to our military forces in Iraq and Afghanistan--and soon to be Pakistan--because they're all staged through an airbase in Turkey. We won't have to wait till 2009 for Bush's successor to draw down this stupid war, it will start happening now due to sheer logistics.

Of course the Kurds will suffer, since Turkey will now have no compunctions about launching military strikes against their supporters in Iraq. By Mideastern standards, Iraq used to be an oasis of peace and pro-Western politics; now Iraqi Kurdistan is all that remains of that, and soon it will be gone.

And Israel of course. Turkey, AFAIK, is the only important Muslim nations with which it has diplomatic relations. Say goodbye to that.

The Europeans won't criticize us for any of this, since it will also be the end of Turkey's chance at joining the EU.

Considering that Americans have no sense of history (if we did we'd have to give the country back to the Indians), it's almost amusing that at this precise moment were going to dredge up something that happened 90 years ago between two ethnic groups that most of our people couldn't find on a map.

Turkish people waged war on all around them...including Armenia and Russia...the question is why havent they killed each other off yet?

Give me a break, draqon.

It was your Russians and Armenian irregulars under the czar of Nicholas II that invaded our lands and massacred hundreds of thousands of people. Study your history, or in the least, give your posts the slightest thought before sending it off for the world to see.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP12.HTM

The Armenian-American community has been trying to get a resolution like this passed for more than twenty years, probably thirty. The majority of them live in California (remember Governor George Deukmejian, author William Saroyan?) and finally a Californian with a huge Armenian constituency in her district is Speaker of the House. That's about all there is to it, a textbook example of synchronicity.

But there may be a subtext. The Democrats are not stupid enough to fail to see the outcome of this: a rift between the U.S. and Turkey, one of our most strategic allies in the Middle East. We won't be able to send supplies to our military forces in Iraq and Afghanistan--and soon to be Pakistan--because they're all staged through an airbase in Turkey. We won't have to wait till 2009 for Bush's successor to draw down this stupid war, it will start happening now due to sheer logistics.

Of course the Kurds will suffer, since Turkey will now have no compunctions about launching military strikes against their supporters in Iraq. By Mideastern standards, Iraq used to be an oasis of peace and pro-Western politics; now Iraqi Kurdistan is all that remains of that, and soon it will be gone.

And Israel of course. Turkey, AFAIK, is the only important Muslim nations with which it has diplomatic relations. Say goodbye to that.

The Europeans won't criticize us for any of this, since it will also be the end of Turkey's chance at joining the EU.

Considering that Americans have no sense of history (if we did we'd have to give the country back to the Indians), it's almost amusing that at this precise moment were going to dredge up something that happened 90 years ago between two ethnic groups that most of our people couldn't find on a map.


But the Democrats have passed Genocide Resolutions against Turkey twice in the past, in 1978 and in 1984, so why pass another one right now?

70% of the supplies that are meant for the Troops in Iraq go through Turkey, and by passing this resolution the Democrats are pissing off the Turks, and they are threatening to stop letting us supply our troops through their country which is the most effective, fastest, and shortest route to do the supply, now how is that for supporting the troops, make it harder to get the supplies, and evacuate the wounded.

Nice way to screw up the influence we have been building up with Turkey, the Democrats really want us to loose this war and send the middle east into total chaos.

Turks threaten to 'play hardball' with US after genocide vote ...
Armenians row could hit supply links to Iraq ... feared Turkey would cut vital supply lines to Iraq. About 70% of US air cargo for Iraq goes through Turkey. ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/turkey/story/0,,2189363,00.html
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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3719451

Turkey, which is a key supply route to U.S. troops in Iraq, recalled its ambassador to Washington on Thursday and warned of serious repercussions if Congress labels the killing of Armenians by Turks a century ago as genocide.

Analysts also have speculated the resolution could make Turkey more inclined to send troops into northern Iraq to hunt Turkish Kurd rebels, a move opposed by the U.S. because it would disrupt one of the few relatively stable and peaceful Iraqi areas.

Give me a break, draqon.

It was your Russians and Armenian irregulars under the czar of Nicholas II that invaded our lands and massacred hundreds of thousands of people. Study your history, or in the least, give your posts the slightest thought before sending it off for the world to see.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP12.HTM

lies, all lies.

Give me a break, draqon.

It was your Russians and Armenian irregulars under the czar of Nicholas II that invaded our lands and massacred hundreds of thousands of people. Study your history, or in the least, give your posts the slightest thought before sending it off for the world to see.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP12.HTM

You seem to forget that the Ottoman Empire was a ally of the Centeral Powers in WWI, and a question? How many Armenians were in the Army of the Ottomans at this time?

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/br-12-26-16-text.html

Give me a break, draqon.

It was your Russians and Armenian irregulars under the czar of Nicholas II that invaded our lands and massacred hundreds of thousands of people. Study your history, or in the least, give your posts the slightest thought before sending it off for the world to see.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP12.HTM

You seem to forget that the Ottoman Empire was a ally of the Centeral Powers in WWI, and a question? How many Armenians were in the Army of the Ottomans at this time? A order was issued to shoot any Armenian as Deserters,

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/br-12-26-16-text.html

Armenian genocide (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7038900.stm)
The Turkish president has denounced a vote by a committee of the US Congress recognizing as genocide the 1915 mass killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks


So why did the Turkish Muslims kill millions of Armenian Christians?
Much more important is the question of why in the fuck congress is suddenly voting to condemn something that occured almost a hundred years ago by a now defunct empire?

There's only one reason: To sabotage the war effort by pissing off a key ally, Turkey.

This kind of sabotage is tantamont to treason. Congressional Democrats don't give a shit about anything but hurting Bush.

Any country that makes a language illegal (Kurdish) has racist foundations.