http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_lightning_strikes_jesus_statue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq01UYiMyHg


Dear God,

On behalf of the citizens of Butler County Ohio, all the travelers up and down interstate 75, and all of us who love Jesus, thank you.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_lightning_strikes_jesus_statue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq01UYiMyHg


Dear God,

On behalf of the citizens of Butler County Ohio, all the travelers up and down interstate 75, and all of us who love Jesus, thank you.

Why would you thank them? They are evil idol worshipers and your god destroyed their evil idol.

Why would you thank them? They are evil idol worshipers and your god destroyed their evil idol.

i was thanking god for the lightning strike. pay attention.

The frame was metal, it was 62 feet high, and in one of the most likely regions in the United States for thunderstorms. The odds for a human of getting struck are 1 in 250,000. How much greater the odds for Touchdown Jesus. So why are they rebuilding it? Doh!

The frame was metal, it was 62 feet high, and in one of the most likely regions in the United States for thunderstorms. The odds for a human of getting struck are 1 in 250,000. How much greater the odds for Touchdown Jesus. So why are they rebuilding it? Doh!

they're rebuilding it? fuck. :mad:

btw, this church is nestled between a hustler store and a giant flea market. it's so funny.

btw, this church is nestled between a hustler store and a giant flea market. it's so funny.

According to scripture, you were more likely to find Jesus among the "sick". What better place for the church to make an impact than in the heart of what some may view as immoral or sin.

According to scripture, you were more likely to find Jesus among the "sick". What better place for the church to make an impact than in the heart of what some may view as immoral or sin.

yeah but a big butter jesus? lol...

besides, it's all relative...morality and such. certainly there's nothing immoral about the giant flea market in anyone's eyes. but man, if you want a good laugh, it's a great place to people watch.

that little spot in monroe is like a...a circus.

yeah but a big butter jesus? lol...

besides, it's all relative...morality and such. certainly there's nothing immoral about the giant flea market in anyone's eyes. but man, if you want a good laugh, it's a great place to people watch.

that little spot in monroe is like a...a circus.

It is more commonly known as "Touchdown Jesus". I think we get the picture of the shining exmple of religion. Good point :D

certainly there's nothing immoral about the giant flea market in anyone's eyes.

Christians have no morals because they believe in the bible, at least, they claim to believe in the bible. :)

though i'll give the church some credit. the statue does kinda work. you're driving down I75 and all of a sudden...

"OH MY GOD!"

"HOLY SHIT!"

"JESUS CHRIST!"

Christians have no morals because they believe in the bible, at least, they claim to believe in the bible. :)

morals are man-made bullshit generally, whether derived from religion or not. there is law, there is truth, and there are lies. and that's pretty much it.

morals are man-made bullshit

Yes, we already know that, Lori. Christians have no morals. None. Thank you for your further clarification.


there is law, there is truth, and there are lies. and that's pretty much it.

From the perspective of the religiously deluded, there can be nothing else. You have hit the nail on the proverbial head and have encapsulated the reason why Christians have no morals. Well done.

Yes, we already know that, Lori. Christians have no morals. None. Thank you for your further clarification.



From the perspective of the religiously deluded, there can be nothing else. You have hit the nail on the proverbial head and have encapsulated the reason why Christians have no morals. Well done.

Q, you are more religiously deluded than anyone. but thanks for agreeing with me. i can't believe you brought yourself to it.

Yes, we already know that, Lori. Christians have no morals. None. Thank you for your further clarification.


Christians should have no morals, but they have them, taught by their parents.

Christians should have no morals, but they have them, taught by their parents.

Christians have no morals whatsoever. If they were taught morals by their parents, those morals would have come from the bible, which is not based on morals.

I think they should build a large Golden Calf next time :)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_lightning_strikes_jesus_statue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq01UYiMyHg


Dear God,

On behalf of the citizens of Butler County Ohio, all the travelers up and down interstate 75, and all of us who love Jesus, thank you.
Amen sister Lori.

besides, it's all relative...morality and such.

Please expand, im interested.

Please expand, im interested.

well, i think the only reason why morality exists is because we don't love each other. i think true and unconditional love would annihilate morality.

well, i think the only reason why morality exists is because we don't love each other. i think true and unconditional love would annihilate morality.

I think there is a lot more love than noticed, however immorality still exists in the presence of love. I would say that love would go along with morality. For instance, it is "moral to love."

I think there is a lot more love than noticed, however immorality still exists in the presence of love. I would say that love would go along with morality. For instance, it is "moral to love."

i don't think that true love exists in this world right now aside from god's love for all of us. but when communion is restored, we will achieve this love, and morality will become obsolete.

i don't think that true love exists in this world right now aside from god's love for all of us. but when communion is restored, we will achieve this love, and morality will become obsolete.

sure true love exists.

1 John 3:16
This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.

i think true and unconditional love would annihilate morality.

You could be right, religions are supposed to be based on unconditional love from a god, and they most certainly annihilate morals.

You could be right, religions are supposed to be based on unconditional love from a god, and they most certainly annihilate morals.

I think the problem i see displayed by too many Atheists is some kind of disconnect and non acceptance of being human. I am not religious myself but either some Atheists (i am not Atheist either) are completely FOS or they lack a certain understanding of humanity which can be very complex.

I think the problem i see displayed by too many Atheists is some kind of disconnect and non acceptance of being human. I am not religious myself but either some Atheists (i am not Atheist either) are completely FOS or they lack a certain understanding of humanity which can be very complex.

Some atheists like Q want to blame religion for everything that's wrong with the world so that they can be right. And I think he's letting these "good" people off the hook pretty easily.

It seems to me that some atheists like Q are more jaded by religion than most religious folk.

Some atheists like Q want to blame religion for everything that's wrong with the world so that they can be right. And I think he's letting these "good" people off the hook pretty easily.
It seems to me that some atheists like Q are more jaded by religion than most religious folk.

Aghast, appalled, alarmed... and there are more in the "A" to "Z" of terms we can use to apply to religion and the acts of their followers.

Yeah Lori, this is all about "being right" :rolleyes:

I think the problem i see displayed by too many Atheists is some kind of disconnect and non acceptance of being human. I am not religious myself but either some Atheists (i am not Atheist either) are completely FOS or they lack a certain understanding of humanity which can be very complex.

Hilarious. The fact that the myths and superstitions of the bronze age have addled millions of people is something "very complex"

Perhaps, to the simple minded... :D

Aghast, appalled, alarmed... and there are more in the "A" to "Z" of terms we can use to apply to religion and the acts of their followers.

Yeah Lori, this is all about "being right" :rolleyes:

it is about being right. you site religious fault to justify your denial of god. it's practically your mantra.

it is about being right.]

It's about being sane.


you site religious fault to justify your denial of god. it's practically your mantra.

Insanity and lies of Christians is plenty of justification to deny YOUR particular god.

well, i think the only reason why morality exists is because we don't love each other. i think true and unconditional love would annihilate morality.

Thats a very profound statement. I agree with you.

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It's about being sane.



Insanity and lies of Christians is plenty of justification to deny YOUR particular god.

no it's not; it's just a cop out.

no it's not; it's just a cop out.

The atrocities of Christians throughout history is no cop out.

The atrocities of Christians throughout history is no cop out.

it is for you apparently. i think you're being lazy, irresponsible, and using religion as a scapegoat. imo, you're relying on the wrongdoings of religious people to justify your denial of god. and that is no good reason. you're just making excuses.

it's like, you condemn these people. you think they're liars, insane, malintentioned, and then relying on them to make a decision for you. it doesn't make sense, except to say that you're copping out.

it is for you apparently. i think you're being lazy, irresponsible, and using religion as a scapegoat. imo, you're relying on the wrongdoings of religious people to justify your denial of god. and that is no good reason. you're just making excuses.

The atrocities of Christians are not excuses. They have been itemized throughout history.


it's like, you condemn these people. you think they're liars, insane, malintentioned, and then relying on them to make a decision for you. it doesn't make sense, except to say that you're copping out.

Sanity does not make sense to the insane. If it did, they wouldn't be insane.

The atrocities of Christians are not excuses. They have been itemized throughout history.

they are for you. it's an excuse for you to avoid taking personal responsibility in regards to a knowledge of god.




Sanity does not make sense to the insane. If it did, they wouldn't be insane.

then why are you relying on people you deem to be insane to make a decision for you then?

it's an excuse for you to avoid taking personal responsibility in regards to a knowledge of god.

Sanity is the only excuse I have for not sharing your delusions.


then why are you relying on people you deem to be insane to make a decision for you then?

Where do you get that insane idea?

Is it just me or does the image the burning Jesus look like a flaming winged demon???

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100615/capt.d1d33865e14d42b8b5fb0de9a60b4d93-b8bd107213aa4e03a8cbb7d90584d889-0.jpg?x=400&y=277&q=85&sig=WOuT5EnXhzKgVrzusDupxA--

Head in the center with eyes, nose, and mouth. Winged arms stretched back ready to take flight....

Sanity is the only excuse I have for not sharing your delusions.



Where do you get that insane idea?

by what you say on this forum. :confused:

Is it just me or does the image the burning Jesus look like a flaming winged demon???

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100615/capt.d1d33865e14d42b8b5fb0de9a60b4d93-b8bd107213aa4e03a8cbb7d90584d889-0.jpg?x=400&y=277&q=85&sig=WOuT5EnXhzKgVrzusDupxA--

Head in the center with eyes, nose, and mouth. Winged arms stretched back ready to take flight....

it doesn't look much scarier than it did before it caught fire imo. lol

by what you say on this forum.

That would be insane then, if that's where you get the idea.

That would be insane then, if that's where you get the idea.

i bet i'm not the only one who thinks so.

and good lord Q would you stop calling anyone and everyone who disagrees with you insane?

i bet i'm not the only one who thinks so.

True, there are others who are also insane when it comes to their religious beliefs. They appear quite normal until their beliefs are called into question.


and good lord Q would you stop calling anyone and everyone who disagrees with you insane?

Lying for Jesus, again?

True, there are others who are also insane when it comes to their religious beliefs. They appear quite normal until their beliefs are called into question.



Lying for Jesus, again?

i'm not talking about anyone's religious beliefs, i'm talking about what others think about you and what you say out here.

and lying huh? Q you call somebody insane in almost every post you make. you want me to count how many times in how many posts? well i don't have that much time dude; that would take forever ever.

i'm not talking about anyone's religious beliefs, i'm talking about what others think about you and what you say out here.

Yes, you're attacking me personally because you are unable to formulate an argument to support your religious belief system.

Yes, you're attacking me personally because you are unable to formulate an argument to support your religious belief system.

no i'm not; i'm questioning your logic.

BIG BUTTER JESUS!

And on the third day Jesus was rebuilt. And the church did rejoice, as they did once more had an idol to worship. And thy local Lowe's spoketh "We hath built something together."

So sayeth the the Lord...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mf2u9VWAhM

What is God telling us?

That's assuming there's a god to be telling something....

What is God telling us?

He tells you He exists, and that the world around you was made by Him. He tells you Jesus is your Savior. What you (plural) tell Him is well documented here on this site and elsewhere.

He tells you He exists, and that the world around you was made by Him. He tells you Jesus is your Savior. What you (plural) tell Him is well documented here on this site and elsewhere.

Eh...That's one interpretation, I suppose.

He tells you He exists, and that the world around you was made by Him. He tells you Jesus is your Savior. What you (plural) tell Him is well documented here on this site and elsewhere.

Why doesn't he document his communications as you claim I do?

He tells you He exists, and that the world around you was made by Him. He tells you Jesus is your Savior. What you (plural) tell Him is well documented here on this site and elsewhere.

And I believe he just told Jesus that his arse is on fire..

Never have lyrics been so, well, apt...


The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn
Burn motherfucker burn

(Source) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th_zlxmddNY&feature=fvst)


;)

So why are they rebuilding it? Doh!

Because they need someone who will continue to ask for mercy for them.

Arms raised like that

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Touchdown_jesus.jpg

are a gesture of asking for mercy (although the palms should be horizontal, in a gesture of acceptance).

Perhaps God is not happy.

http://www.casewatch.org/civil/bishop/amended_complaint.shtml

Perhaps God is not happy.

That is silly. How could God not be happy?

He is independent, per definition.

That is silly. How could God not be happy?

He is independent, per definition.

I suppose you are telling me he was happy when he flooded the world destroying all life or how about the time he destroyed Soddom and Gommorah...remember Noah and the flood, lightening bolts and pillars of salt? Are you telling me God was happy when he was doing those things?

I suppose you are telling me he was happy when he flooded the world destroying all life or how about the time he destroyed Soddom and Gommorah...remember Noah and the flood, lightening bolts and pillars of salt? Are you telling me God was happy when he was doing those things?

I know it describes god as being emotional in the bible, but I'm apt to think its just so we can relate. I don't get that impression from him. Either that or he has enough resolve for what he accomplishes that they're irrelevant.

That is silly. How could God not be happy?

He is independent, per definition.
Would you be happy if such a statue was made of your son and turned into a water feature in a pond? In front of what looks like a toilet block..

That thing is hideous..

Whoever made it watched too many bible movies staring Mr 'Cold Dead Hands' Heston.

And if you claim that your God is independent, are you saying that he/she/it cannot be unhappy as a result?

Why do people refer to god as "he" or "his word". You imply that he is a male. That is stupid. Why would an all-powerful deity like your god have a penis? Are you sure it's not just because a long time ago when the guys were writing down your bible, they put 'he' because a female god would be just ludicrous? IT seems far more plausible. Follow "his word" or "its word."


Eh...I dunno...Just "typing out-loud" heh...

I know it describes god as being emotional in the bible

"Emotional" is not the word I'd use. Psychotic, despot, mass murderer fit the description much better. :)

I suppose you are telling me he was happy when he flooded the world destroying all life or how about the time he destroyed Soddom and Gommorah...remember Noah and the flood, lightening bolts and pillars of salt? Are you telling me God was happy when he was doing those things?

Those things pertain to material nature, not to our essence.

We do things to material nature all the time that are rather disturbing -

http://content.artofmanliness.com/uploads/2008/01/fight.jpg

Why do people refer to god as "he" or "his word". You imply that he is a male. That is stupid. Why would an all-powerful deity like your god have a penis? Are you sure it's not just because a long time ago when the guys were writing down your bible, they put 'he' because a female god would be just ludicrous? IT seems far more plausible. Follow "his word" or "its word."


Eh...I dunno...Just "typing out-loud" heh...

There's more to being male than having certain bodily appendages. :bugeye:

And if you claim that your God is independent, are you saying that he/she/it cannot be unhappy as a result?

What else?

Those things pertain to material nature, not to our essence.

We do things to material nature all the time that are rather disturbing -



I hate to point this out, but you are not making sense. Again, are you telling me God was not angry when he flooded the world and destroyed cities or was he just doing that to spice up his day?

This is not about mans violence. But that said, is not man made in God's image? Are we not God's children?

The soul cannot be killed or harmed.

The soul cannot be killed or harmed.

You are off topic. This is not about wither a soul can be killed or harmed, it is about wither God exhibits anger. You are avoiding the issue.

When you understand that the soul cannot be killed or harmed, you will see things such as floods, earthquakes, cancer etc. in a different light - as not being acts of an angry God.

I don't see why God would have been grieved by that Jesus statue, and why it would be due to His anger or unhappiness that lightning struck it.

When you understand that the soul cannot be killed or harmed, you will see things such as floods, earthquakes, cancer etc. in a different light - as not being acts of an angry God.

I don't see why God would have been grieved by that Jesus statue, and why it would be due to His anger or unhappiness that lightning struck it.

No, I don't equate acts of violence to love. Additionally, and more to the point, the Bible itself has several references to God's anger (e.g. Romans, Acts, Revelations, John, Isaiah, etc).

So your notion that God has no anger is just without biblical support. In fact the Bible explicitly states otherwise on numerous occasions.

Now if you go back and read what I originally said, I never said God was angry and that was his reason for destroying Big Butter Jesus. I posed the question that he might be angry. The reasons for his anger could vary, the behavior of people at that church, including but not limited to church leadership. That church and the leaders have been involved in other local financial scandals over the course of the years. Could it be he just didn't like the statue. I believe Moses had some things to relay from God about graven images. Maybe God was just having a bad day or wanted to spice things up a bit?

No, I don't equate acts of violence to love. Additionally, and more to the point, the Bible itself has several references to God's anger (e.g. Romans, Acts, Revelations, John, Isaiah, etc).

So your notion that God has no anger is just without biblical support. In fact the Bible explicitly states otherwise on numerous occasions.

Now if you go back and read what I originally said, I never said God was angry. I posed the question that he might be angry. The reasons for his anger could vary, the behavior of people at that church, including but not limited to church leadership. That church and the leaders have been involved in other local financial scandals over the course of the years. Could it be he just didn't like the statue. I believe Moses had some things to relay from God about graven images. Maybe God was just having a bad day or wanted to spice things up a bit?

Kind of silly.

Kind of silly.


Kind of ironic.

Kind of ironic.

It was\is a silly post. What is ironic about pointing that out?

Kind of silly.

What, you don't think God has a sense of humor? :)


Imagine you are the pastor of that church and you have been preaching hell fire and brimstone for years. And then one day, God sends a lightening bolt from heaven and destroys the big beautiful statue you errected. How would you explain that to your congregation? That would be a tough one for the pastor, in my mind at least.

What, you don't think God has a sense of humor? :)


Imagine you are the pastor of that church and you have been preaching hell fire and brimstone for years. And then one day, God sends a lightening bolt from heaven and destroys the big beautiful statue you errected. How would you explain that to your congregation? That would be a tough one for the pastor, in my mind at least.

http://www.strangefunkidz.com/images/content/152747.jpg

Eiffel Tower etc.

http://www.strangefunkidz.com/images/content/152747.jpg

Eiffel Tower etc.

Did the statue you referenced burn down? Nope, it is still standing. Then again, God may have a thing against Jesus statues...just saying. I don't know, but it looks kind of peculiar.

Did the statue you referenced burn down? Nope, it is still standing.

Doesnt it have to be flammable first?

Doesnt it have to be flammable first?

You don't think God doesn't know that or do you think he is sitting up there throwing lightening bolts at the statue in vain trying to burn it down and puzzeling over why it has not burnt? I give God more credit than that.

If he would have wanted the giant statue made of stone to burn, it would have burned. He is after all, all powerful...yes? So if God wanted stone to burn, it would burn.

Are you serious?

Are you serious?

God is all powerful. And the facts are one burned and one did not. Is God sending a message?

For one thing, the object being struck needs to be capable of catching fire.

Not to mention that around the earth there are 100 lightning strikes per second, or 8,640,00 times a day.

Imagine you are the pastor of that church and you have been preaching hell fire and brimstone for years. And then one day, God sends a lightening bolt from heaven and destroys the big beautiful statue you errected. How would you explain that to your congregation? That would be a tough one for the pastor, in my mind at least.

That's easy. Something like the following will do:

Brothers and sisters, this is God sending us the message that we have not been ardent enough in our efforts to eradicate the pagan plague! Brothers and sisters, this is God letting us know that we must build a bigger, stronger church for our beloved Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ!

No, I don't equate acts of violence to love. Additionally, and more to the point, the Bible itself has several references to God's anger (e.g. Romans, Acts, Revelations, John, Isaiah, etc).

So your notion that God has no anger is just without biblical support. In fact the Bible explicitly states otherwise on numerous occasions.

Now if you go back and read what I originally said, I never said God was angry and that was his reason for destroying Big Butter Jesus. I posed the question that he might be angry. The reasons for his anger could vary, the behavior of people at that church, including but not limited to church leadership. That church and the leaders have been involved in other local financial scandals over the course of the years. Could it be he just didn't like the statue. I believe Moses had some things to relay from God about graven images. Maybe God was just having a bad day or wanted to spice things up a bit?

If you don't like my answer, go and ask God. ;)

That's easy. Something like the following will do:

Brothers and sisters, this is God sending us the message that we have not been ardent enough in our efforts to eradicate the pagan plague! Brothers and sisters, this is God letting us know that we must build a bigger, stronger church for our beloved Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ!

LOL, I am sure that is exactly what he/she would say. :) He or she would never implicate themselves in any wrong doing.

If you don't like my answer, go and ask God. ;)

It doesn't matter what I like or don't like. I am pointing out some inconsistency in your writting and logic. Your written claims run counter to what is written in the Bible. I don't suppose that bothers you at all. :)

There is a difference between "being angry" and "being angered" (ie. 'made angry by someone or something').

An entitiy that can "be angered" is a dependent entity. To suggest that God is a dependent entity leads to serious theological issues.

God may be angry, be to suggest that He was made angry by some entities that are per definition dependent on Him ...!

There is a difference between "being angry" and "being angered" (ie. 'made angry by someone or something').

An entitiy that can "be angered" is a dependent entity. To suggest that God is a dependent entity leads to serious theological issues.

God may be angry, be to suggest that He was made angry by some entities that are per definition dependent on Him ...!

????????

I think your reasoning is getting very convoluted.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_lightning_strikes_jesus_statue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq01UYiMyHg


Dear God,

On behalf of the citizens of Butler County Ohio, all the travelers up and down interstate 75, and all of us who love Jesus, thank you.

This happened the minute my Haitian friend landed in the Cincinnati area . It was so freaky . He was in Missoula and he had a site plan for a hospital just out side of Port-Au-Prince. It was drawn by an architect or civil engineer in California . He put Dr, Thursday on the plan He told my Haitian buddy that his name interpreted to Thursday. Which at that time I found very funny because when he landed in Missoula lighting was striking and rain was pouring down in a very dramatic way . Unusual was the only way to explain it . It was the dry season . The lighting and thunder was way past normal with the fisrt strike hitting the ground the same time his plane touched down , so when he showed the site plan with Dr. Thursday written on it I said to him that represents the God Thor Patrick . The hand of the creator is on this . He is extremely religious ( 100% vodue 80% christian) So he laughed and like what I said . So he leaves Missoula and blam the second he hits the ground lightening strikes the touch down Jesus and it burns to the ground . I don't know how I came about googling to find out about the touch down Jesus in the first place is the thing . It was put before Me just in time to e-mail the Dr. about the event after he landed in Ohio . The other thing is I found out about touch down Jesus before I knew the Dr. was going to Cincinnati. It was so strange the way it all unfolded. It went like this , I see touch down Jesus burning and read the artical, go straight to my personal mail that Gary sent Me , an e-mail saying the Dr, landed in Cincinnati on this date to see my son-in-law about finishes on the hospital . So I go back and check the date of the burning Jesus and shit f--ck dog in the butt it was the same day . I know you are thinking the storm tracked across from the west to the east so big deal . You had to be in my spot to appreciate the coincidences associated with the event. It was so unbelievable . I still can't fully rap my brain around it all

@ Mikey...it's not that the Christian God doesn't exist...but he's not the one in charge of the weather!
:bravo:

If Jehovah has control of the weather anywhere, it would be out in the Middle-Eastern scrublands...this is Thunderbird's country.

@ Mikey...it's not that the Christian God doesn't exist...but he's not the one in charge of the weather!
:bravo:

If Jehovah has control of the weather anywhere, it would be out in the Middle-Eastern scrublands...this is Thunderbird's country.

Interesting . The wiki page said the Thunderbird had serpents with em as partners . That seems like more serpent -bird depiction . A common theme world wide seems like . I liked the Thunderbird and the whale thing. It is like a David and Goliath story. The Irish have a bird Man with a cow hide coat . Mog Ruith is his name. He was said to talk the language of the birds , also there is a legend about Mog baby chopping off the head of John the Baptist . I can dig it . I get the feeling the Irish were recording there frustration with Roman intrusions . Or Pagans fighting off Christian intrusion . I don't know . Fascinating if you ask Me