two recent cases in ireland, even the coroners and forensic experts and doctors, officials etc ruled them as SHC and was in the news (Irish Times). For example a 50-year old woman found burnt with only her leg, but nothing else. there was a lot of carbon monoxide in the air which killed her cats, and cyanide in her bloodstream. she was in the sitting room with a bottle of vodka next to her body. the smoke alarm went off and that is how they found her. (SHC events seem to happen during the cold, wonder if a persons body chemistry messes up?) Cancer is like SHC, rare and uncurable, but that's highlighted in medical journals everywhere, but no mention of SHC, where the body self-ignites through some process it posesses. Why? and the wick effect is just a myth/theory and has never been proven, either. As evidenced by eye-witness cases of people seen suddenly going up in flames, or skin smoking or mysterious blisters and burns. This is killing people too, so it should be mentioned, by law.

So many things can cause SHC, neurons misfiring or firing all at once, skin cells chemical elements becoming concentrated, or energizing, methane in stomach igniting due to enzymes, water splitting into flammable compounds, generating intense heat or nuclear fusion and magnetic fields in the body.

Cancer is very common.

Cancer is very common.

So SHC seems to be becoming.

How do you know it's not mentioned? I think we can rule out nuclear fusion.

How do you know it's not mentioned?
I've looked in all the big medical encyclopedias, no mention, not one. Perhaps the goverment want it to be covered up?

You don't seem to know exactly what it is, so why should it be in a textbook?

You don't seem to know exactly what it is, so why should it be in a textbook?


I do know what it is, its where the body explodes/ignites from the inside out due to chemical/biological processes. whats your point?

So how is that not covered by the chapter on burn injuries?

By LAW,should Spontaneous Human Combustion be mentioned in all reliable Medicalbooks?

Definitely! And aftercare instructions for people who were anally probed by aliens. And don't forget OB-GYN instructions for immaculate conceptions.

I do know what it is, its where the body explodes/ignites from the inside out due to chemical/biological processes. whats your point?

No, this is what you want to think is happening. SHC is when a person is found partially or totally consumed by fire, usually with little or no damage to the surroundings.

Yes, because of a chemical process in which the body ignites itself. The body contains some of the most unstable elements in the world, take sodium, potassium, oxygen, hydrogen, methane, phosphorous and sulphur. All of which are extremely volatile.

Yes, because of a chemical process in which the body ignites itself. The body contains some of the most unstable elements in the world, take sodium, potassium, oxygen, hydrogen, methane, phosphorous and sulphur. All of which are extremely volatile.

Not in all forms or combinations.

7 billion people, billions of other animals, if this were true we'd see this happening all the time. Cite some examples, don't just say it does happen. I've never seen living things explode on their own.

Not in all forms or combinations.

7 billion people, billions of other animals, if this were true we'd see this happening all the time. Cite some examples, don't just say it does happen. I've never seen living things explode on their own.

It DOES happen and the news articles I have read have confirmed that. Elements in the body can split due to instability in other chemical reactions, causing TREMENDOUS heat. Up to 900c. Enough to burn bones, like in all SHC cases. The human body is unstable.

Yes, because of a chemical process in which the body ignites itself. The body contains some of the most unstable elements in the world, take sodium, potassium, oxygen, hydrogen, methane, phosphorous and sulphur. All of which are extremely volatile.

err no, you have no idea about the human body at all. Firstly just because sodium and potassium are there doesn't make them unstable. I cant remember the last time my table salt (both the normal kind and the low sodium (ie potassium) kind) exploded, because they are in the form of SALT. Ie chloride stabilises them, the only time they divide into there sodium and chloride parts individually is when they are in water (OMG the sea could spontaneously combust, it contains SODIUM!!!!!!!!!). Next Hydrogen, sure we contain hydrogen, SO DOES 71% of the earth's surface, ITS CALLED WATER AND ITS STABLE.

The reason there is no SHC in medical text is that medicine is TRYING to go towards an evidence based field and there is no evidence for this. What there is evidence for is the wick effect (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=wick%20effect&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWick_ef fect&ei=hi7hTsf7KIibmQXM54Eo&usg=AFQjCNGEr7i-tD39q8bMrz3ZwlaLpRV6ag)

No, look up reduction-oxidization. It is the closest thing to actually splitting atoms or elements. The electrons of atoms are pulled off, if a sodium atom, for example has this happen, the entire body will suffer a chain-reaction, and since sodium (NA) reacts badly with water, you know what happens. (SHC).

bump because this is very important

Damn right. It is also important that we do all we can to keep those dang aliens out of our grain fields, them with all of their new fangeled crop circles. And don't even get me started on them thar anal probes, fercrisake!

I got me an uncle who is a flaming AH not exactly the same thing - but why isn't that in medical journals either.

Bet it's cause of that new gol' dang health bill - it completely ignores all of the people bursting into flames all over the place.:mad:

No, look up reduction-oxidization. It is the closest thing to actually splitting atoms or elements. The electrons of atoms are pulled off, if a sodium atom, for example has this happen, the entire body will suffer a chain-reaction, and since sodium (NA) reacts badly with water, you know what happens. (SHC).

Is that why when steel rusts, it sometime it goes into a chair reaction causing a thermonuclear explosion?:D

Why is this thread here? It is too important, it should be in an area where it will be seen by more people - maybe pseudoscience or better yet the cesspool!

Again; - look up reduction-oxidization. It is the closest thing to actually splitting atoms or elements. The electrons of atoms are pulled off, if a sodium atom, for example has this happen, the entire body will suffer a chain-reaction, and since sodium (NA) reacts badly with water, you know what happens. Atom loses its electron charge, becomes a volatile element in the case of water or sodium.

Why is this thread here? It is too important, it should be in an area where it will be seen by more people - maybe pseudoscience or better yet the cesspool!

we should rename pseudoscience to "wackadoodle", pseudoscience gives it to much credence

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3OH-C0JYCeldRJjTgebKPQ9lneLuaEEBL9GCTE46D_s0JO6KNBg

Sorry thats the only one I could find

No, if there's a mistake during cell respiration, atoms/ions may loose too many or gain too many electrons, flipping it back into an element, they only exist as ions due to chance. Nobody seems to be taking this on board. I'm a 3rd-year physics student and I know about this type of thing.

Holy crap, I think I just ran over something!:eek:

The electrons of atoms are pulled off, if a sodium atom, for example has this happen, the entire body will suffer a chain-reaction, and since sodium (NA) reacts badly with water, you know what happens. (SHC).

IT'S COLD FUSION! Well, not cold fusion; that's politically incorrect. LOW ENERGY NUCLEAR REACTIONS! Although this is pretty high energy. Maybe fat-mediated sodium fusion reactions. One fat person could fuel a reactor for months! You'll drive your old gas guzzler into the lake once you have a tubby guy in your tank!

No, if there's a mistake during cell respiration, atoms/ions may loose too many or gain too many electrons, flipping it back into an element, they only exist as ions due to chance. Nobody seems to be taking this on board. I'm a 3rd-year physics student and I know about this type of thing.

Well, you cut WAY too many classes then!!!! In short, your ENTIRE view of chemistry is NUTTY!!!!!

By the way, I worked in labs - as a professional - for years. You don't even know enough chemistry to be a lousy/lowly glassware washer! 3rd year??? NO WAY!!!:rolleyes:

To my knowledge an ion becomes an element if it has equal charge (0 neither + nor -) and the body is constantly flipping them and messing with their charges so technically is it just luck that we don't blow up or sizzle from the sodium and other nasty chemicals in us becoming their original elements due to some mishap? I find it pretty scary and uncomfortable to be honest and I think this happened with a 50 year old woman in Ireland and it was in the news ._. also current/voltage in our bodies...wouldn't that mess with the charges?

two recent cases in ireland, even the coroners and forensic experts and doctors, officials etc ruled them as SHC and was in the news (Irish Times). For example a 50-year old woman found burnt with only her leg, but nothing else. there was a lot of carbon monoxide in the air which killed her cats, and cyanide in her bloodstream. she was in the sitting room with a bottle of vodka next to her body. the smoke alarm went off and that is how they found her. (SHC events seem to happen during the cold, wonder if a persons body chemistry messes up?) Cancer is like SHC, rare and uncurable, but that's highlighted in medical journals everywhere, but no mention of SHC, where the body self-ignites through some process it posesses. Why? and the wick effect is just a myth/theory and has never been proven, either. As evidenced by eye-witness cases of people seen suddenly going up in flames, or skin smoking or mysterious blisters and burns. This is killing people too, so it should be mentioned, by law.

So many things can cause SHC, neurons misfiring or firing all at once, skin cells chemical elements becoming concentrated, or energizing, methane in stomach igniting due to enzymes, water splitting into flammable compounds, generating intense heat or nuclear fusion and magnetic fields in the body and ions losing polarity due to bodily mishap (perhaps body current affecting the charge, cells split ions so they can certainly do the same and turn sodium into its pure format), hence sodium becomes elemental and burns us from the inside-out.

LeBlanc, you have started two other threads on this exact issue, both of which were moved to Pseudoscience. I would strongly recommend you visit the Pseudoscience (http://www.sciforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=27) subforum of Sciforums and continue that conversation there. Not start yet another one in Human Science.

I stated clearly in the Action Notes (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=107104) why these threads do not belong in Human Science. Please heed what was written in the notes regarding these threads. This thread will be closed and Cesspooled. Please continue the exact same conversation about this subject in the exact same threads you have going which, as stated above, were moved to Pseudoscience.

Please consider this your first and only public warning. Thank you.

To my knowledge an ion becomes an element if it has equal charge (0 neither + nor -) and the body is constantly flipping them and messing with their charges so technically is it just luck that we don't blow up or sizzle from the sodium and other nasty chemicals in us becoming their original elements due to some mishap? I find it pretty scary and uncomfortable to be honest and I think this happened with a 50 year old woman in Ireland and it was in the news ._. also current/voltage in our bodies...wouldn't that mess with the charges?

Frankly it is very difficult to explain because you have not knowldge about some very basic concepts. The short answer is don't worry you ain't gonna burst into flames.

An element is defined by the number of protons in the nucleus. An ion is refereing to the number of electron in the atom. If the electrons do not exactly match the number of protons in the nucleus then you have an ion. Sodium for instance is perfectly stable when it has 1 less electron in 'orbit' than it has protons. In other words a Sodium ion has 10 electron in shells around a nucleus that containing 11 protons. Chlorine is stable with 18 electrons in orbit around the nucleus that has 17 protons. This positively charged sodum ion and the negatively charged chloride ion readily form NaCl (salt). This is a very stable compound. When immersed in water the salt dissolves into it's constituent ions because of the polarized nature of water molecules.

It is difficult (takes energy) to change a sodium ion into a sodium atom. One way to view this is the fact that if sodium is simply placed in water it violently reacts. In other words the sodium is releasing a tremendous amount of energy when is goes from a sodium atom to a sodium ion. Here is the important part it takes the same amout of energy to be ADDED to the sodium ion to make it a sodium atom. It is very hard to make a sodium ion into a sodium atom because of the amount of energy needed to add the electron. This is not going to happen in your body. The sodium ion will remain a sodium ion.

Hope this makes sense to you.

Thanks :)

Why do we keep seeing news articles on killer asteroids when there's not any in the near future threatening us? Why do most Fox News headlines say one thing but the article end up saying the opposite?

Because people read them. This generates money.

The big myth is not that humans sometimes burn up in these cases. The myth is the "spontaneous" part...that is, you see that as meaning they're blowing up in a fireball, which is not the case at all. Almost all cases are very similar, the person shows evidence of having died beforehand, the remains show a slow burning or smoltering (the wick effect that you claim there's no proof yet has been studied and shown to explain those findings), and there was some contributing factor such as a dropped cigarette or other flame source.

Ireland,... right, statues of the 'Virgin' Mary on most hairpin bends, the good populace trotting off to Lourdes for a miracle,... maybe it's reported more in Ireland, because such myths are culturally more acceptable than elsewhere?

Although reducing cations, like sodium ions, to make the very reactive sodium metal, will not occur in life, life does make many other combustible things like methane gas and wood. If we burn methane in air, we get a hot flame explosion. The way cells do this differently, is they do their burning in water.

Water can be used to put out a fire. Cells use water as a way to control the flame, so we can get a milder energy out of fuels and not an uncontrolled flame.

LeBlanc, it's time to stop!

No one is buying your false claim of being a third-year physics student so it's time to stop pretending. You are either just a teen (about 14 at the most) or slightly older with a VERY poor education and/or understanding of basic science - chemistry in particular. My bet is the former: just a young kid.

All your nonsense about "skin chemicals, nuclear reaction", etc. as just that - pure nonsense!

If you want to ask questions about science, fine - go right ahead. There are plenty of people here, including me, that will be happy to help you. But cut the pretending AND the garbage! :mad:

Actual article from the LA Times.


"In retrospect, lighting the match was my big mistake. But I was only trying to retrieve the gerbil," Eric Tomaszewski told bemused doctors in the Severe Burns Unit of Salt Lake City Hospital.

Tomaszewski, and his homosexual partner Andrew "Kiki" Farnum, had been admitted for emergency treatment after a felching session had gone seriously wrong. "I pushed a cardboard tube up his rectum and slipped Raggot, our gerbil, in," he explained. "As usual, Kiki shouted out "Armageddon," my cue that he'd had enough. I tried to retrieve Raggot but he wouldn't come out again, so I peered into the tube and struck a match, thinking the light might attract him." At a hushed press conference, a hospital spokesman described what happened next. "The match ignited a pocket of intestinal gas and a flame shot out the tubing, igniting Mr. Tomaszewski's hair and severely burning his face. It also set fire to the gerbil's fur and whiskers which in turn ignited a larger pocket of gas further up the intestine, propelling the rodent out like a cannonball." Tomaszewski suffered second degree burns and a broken nose from the impact of the gerbil, while Farnum suffered first and second degree burns to his anus and lower intestinal tract. ''

Despite the silly scenario, WTF. Does the human stomach defy physics? My Biology teacher said there is no 02 in your intestines so why'd they burn? Not on the outside but the inside? again; wtf?

Ignoring the absurd setup to the question: methane.

Methane still needs oxygen (o2) to burn..what's your point?..

Methane still needs oxygen (o2) to burn..what's your point?..

Good grief - how silly!!! :rolleyes: The O2 got inside through the cardboard tube, of course. Sheesh!!

Somewhere on the net (I have no idea where atm) there exists or did exist audio file of a radio broadcast of this story. Possibly the funniest thing I have ever heard. The first time I heard it I actually fell off my chair laughing. I was something like armageddon.wav irrc. Don't have time to search for it now. I may have it saved somewhere.

Easier to find than I thought:

http://www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/funny/armageddon.wav

Good grief - how silly!!! :rolleyes: The O2 got inside through the cardboard tube, of course. Sheesh!!

I really didn't want to have to go there. I assumed the OP starts with a gerbil that was breathing. (Good Gawd.)

Doesn't anyone check Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/risque/homosex/gerbil.asp)?

What happened to the Gerbil?
Is it OK?

Isn't this considered animal cruelty? What the fuck is wrong with these people...putting life animals into their anus ...wtf. They're ...real 'assholes'.
The gerbil is most probably dead....since the impact was so strong that the gerbil broke the guy's nose and the nose probably destroyed the gerbil's insides and bones...

Wonderful.

When I imagine the scenario in my head, there is something wrong with the ignition process. The gerbil facing inwards, and igniting its whiskers. It just sounds back to front.

Doesn't anyone check Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/risque/homosex/gerbil.asp)?

ditto.

Sounds like a made up story to me.

I think the Gerbil made it up.

If firing flaming Gerbils out of your arse was possible,
someone would have done it on You tube.

Why use Gerbils anyway?
Wouldn't moles be better?

http://www.aceoftennessee.com/mole1.jpg
For when Gerbils don't satisfy any more

If firing flaming Gerbils out of your arse was possible,
someone would have done it on You tube.

Why use Gerbils anyway?
Wouldn't moles be more suitable?

Just another day in the orifice for moles! :D

Heh Heh:)

This actually happened in Southpark CO. The gerbils name was Lemiwinks. He did survive the ordeal (jeezchrist).

Moral of the story - try not inserting rodents up your anus...

Example; pressure of methane buildup igniting in your intestines
whatever's in the blood
My friend said it can, and her friend's family knew it did because their son/family member drank alot and ate a lot of food, next morning he was found lying on the sofa, dead and burnt but nothing else burnt, house was just how the family left it, he did not smoke. since then it's gone 'unexplained' since the coroner refused to rule it as internal burning. Spark from inside the body neurons overload, ions/atoms splitting, metabolism glitch etc. my friend said there's been a lot of news headlines on this condition recently and lately it's really been scaring me your body makes chemicals right? what if it makes the wrong ones that react with everything or nuclear fission happens to start somehow?
I'm being serious whenever I feel a sharp pain anywhere around my stomach or feel hot in bed I have a panic attack I heard stories of people walking in the street or in cars just bursting into flames? a woman in ireland was found dead her cats dead she had high levels of mercury and monoxide in her blood she was all burnt but nothing else aside from her leg all that was there was a vodka bottle that's it...this was in the irish times if I recall..please help im so scared

The problem is that methane cannot burn without oxygen, and there isn't any in your intestines.

Isn't this, like, the third thread you've posted on this?


An average adult body is 50 to 65 percent water -- that's roughly 45 quarts. Men are more watery than women. A man's body is 60 to 65 percent water, compared to 50 to 60 percent for a woman. In infants, the figure is a whopping 70 percent

http://www.boston.com/globe/search/stories/health/how_and_why/011298.htm

At least half our bodyweight is water. Extremely unlikely for the human body to catch fire. Well, unless the water's cooked off first.

Here's a discussion of spontaneous human combustion:
http://skepdic.com/shc.html
To sum it up, the most plausible scenario is the wick effect. If an external flame ignites the person's fat, and said person's fat is kept contained around their body, say, by being wrapped in a blanket, then they would burn like a wick on an oil lamp:

Dr. John de Haan of the California Criminalistic Institute wrapped a dead pig in a blanket, poured a small amount of gasoline on the blanket, and ignited it. Even the bones were destroyed after five hours of continuous burning. The fat content of a pig is very similar to the fat content of a human being.
So that still requires an external flame, like a cigarette dropped on what the person was sitting on, and doubtless inebriation does not hurt.

If it does happen...and there is no proof that it does, then it is way, way rarer than dying by auto accident. Are you this terrified to be in or around automobiles?
You are freaking yourself out over something that almost certainly will never happen to you or anyone you know.
Are you doing this because some real threat is bothering you and you are displacing more realistic anxiety onto this? or do you just habitually churn stuff over in your mind like this all the time?
If it's the latter I suggest you need to go fix that with professional help.

a woman in ireland was found dead her cats dead she had high levels of mercury and monoxide in her blood she was all burnt but nothing else aside from her leg all that was there was a vodka bottle that's it...this was in the irish times if I recall..please help im so scared

Mercury and monoxide that probably came from the ciggies she smoked.
The vodka she probably got wasted on...if it was 100 proof it was ignitable.
The cats died of oxy starvation, it was a sealed room most likely.

Simple enough a dummy like me could give you a plausible explanation.

Okay thanks but what about the body that makes chemicals or the skin. The body makes chemicals right? what if they rearranged in some way.. or they created the wrong stuff.

also what about ions turning into their elemental form? what if the enzymes mistake say, phosphoros or sodium ions and strips their electrons off and turns them into the deadly form? answer this please anyone...
and it still doesn't explain this old woman named Olga in a car..it happened in the 60's. she was in her 70s. moments after her friend/carer left the car she was seen up in flames. nothing combustible was found in the car, nothing else much burnt aside from her. she died 8 days later and a similar case where a woman was driving and her hands errupted into yellow flames (she nearly crashed) and a man caught fire in bed. Please explain those...

Also there have been cases of mysterious skin blisters or their skin smoking (literally) from what I read, example; a man's arms smoked, twice, each time he got into the shower he was okay, and a girl/woman in a school hallway felt a pain in her back then while she was talking she errupted into flames, noone could put them out.

Okay thanks but what about the body that makes chemicals or the skin. The body makes chemicals right? what if they rearranged in some way.. or they created the wrong stuff.

also what about ions turning into their elemental form? what if the enzymes mistake say, phosphoros or sodium ions and strips their electrons off and turns them into the deadly form? answer this please anyone...
and it still doesn't explain this old woman named Olga in a car..it happened in the 60's. she was in her 70s. moments after her friend/carer left the car she was seen up in flames. nothing combustible was found in the car, nothing else much burnt aside from her. she died 8 days later and a similar case where a woman was driving and her hands errupted into yellow flames (she nearly crashed) and a man caught fire in bed. Please explain those...

Also there have been cases of mysterious skin blisters or their skin smoking (literally) from what I read, example; a man's arms smoked, twice, each time he got into the shower he was okay, and a girl/woman in a school hallway felt a pain in her back then while she was talking she errupted into flames, noone could put them out.

If a human body had some chemical factory within that is capable of causing spontaneous ignition then we as a species would have gone extinct long ago.

And if it was something that just recently started happening, people would be "flaming on" day and night all over the world, setting fires that would bring the apocalypse.

Since none of that has happened, you can go to bed without the fire extinguisher. It's not going to happen to you. you're going to be fine. if you lose even one night's sleep over this, I suggest you consult a psychologist immediately.

Flame on--I mean--flame off.

Still no explaination of those cases...and evolution can make mistakes, I'm a firm believer the body does have something that can make it ignite

um... no answer?

None that you want to hear it seems, given this and past posts on the same topic.

I mean answers on those particular topics and causes
didn't answer the one about mysterious blisters/smoking skin/burns on some people, and the woman/girl who felt ill in her back then suddenly in the hallway she burst into flames and reduced to ash in 5 minutes. noone could put them out

Don't forget about 3 cases of 'SHC' (as in the headlines) that happened in Ireland and made news around the globe. Michael Farety is the latest one.

Still no explaination of those cases...and evolution can make mistakes, I'm a firm believer the body does have something that can make it ignite

Yeah, you also are a firm believer in a LOT of nonsense. While SHC is real and is understood to result from a wicking effect when provided with an external heat source, you've picked up a lot of hearsay stories and urban legends that are outright NOT true.

Look, just about everyone here has figured out that you are just a little kid and believe almost anything weird that you read or hear. So stop harping on this stuff and actually LEARN something. There are several people here with years of solid experience in biology and chemistry and they know full well that there is NOTHING in the human body or skin that can cause it to ignite all by itself (meaning without an external trigger).

There's nothing wrong with being a kid - BUT you are acting more like a little child.

Okay thanks but what about the body that makes chemicals or the skin. The body makes chemicals right? what if they rearranged in some way.. or they created the wrong stuff.
That does not happen.
Long before you burst into flame, if your body started making the wrong chemicals in it's metabolic reactions, you'd keel over.
Failures of your body chemistry to work precisely right usually cause death.

Again, the body is at least half water.
Ever tried to start wet wood on fire?

Stop believing stuff that isn't substantiated.

No. I would say not.
That would not be evolutionarily advantageous.
However, once lit by a source of flame, an incapacitated body may burn like a candle for many hours, the fat seeping through clothing which acts as a wick.

This is the explanation for every event of spontaneous combustion so far examined. No body, I believe, has ever been found with no possible external source of flame.

Unless you know otherwise.

That does not happen.
Long before you burst into flame, if your body started making the wrong chemicals in it's metabolic reactions, you'd keel over.
Failures of your body chemistry to work precisely right usually cause death.

Again, the body is at least half water.
Ever tried to start wet wood on fire?

Stop believing stuff that isn't substantiated.

Many if us fart methane , so you can thy to put a cigarette lighter by the anus and check for fire.

Many if us fart methane , so you can thy to put a cigarette lighter by the anus and check for fire.

True - but so what? That has absolutely nothing to do with this silly discussion. :shrug:

Moderator note: 5 threads on the same topic have been merged.

OK.
So let's talk about the phenomenon of Ball Lightning.

Well I don't know about you, but the whole idea of Spontanous Human Combustion just burns me up. God that was bad... just so bad.:o

What kind of law would it be?

What would be the punishment for producing a medical textbook which did not mention Spontaneous Combustion?

How much would you have to say about it?

Would this do:
"The erroneously named phenomenon of Spontaneous Human Combustion was once a puzzle. Now it isn't."

Also, would you by law be allowed to omit the subject in unreliable medical books?

Also, would you by law be allowed to omit the subject in unreliable medical books?

Keeping in mind that the OP is just a little kid, I doubt he's equipped to catch the humor in your posts. (But I appreciate and enjoyed it.) :D

No, if there's a mistake during cell respiration, atoms/ions may loose too many or gain too many electrons, flipping it back into an element, they only exist as ions due to chance. Nobody seems to be taking this on board. I'm a 3rd-year physics student and I know about this type of thing.

Please let us know what school your going to. That way we can avoid it because its obviously terrible if you think that your body has the ability to just randomly add too many electrons to any given atom.

Keeping in mind that the OP is just a little kid, I doubt he's equipped to catch the humor in your posts. (But I appreciate and enjoyed it.) :D

Oops. Sorry.:o

Oops. Sorry.:o

Heh-heh! :D People who post the kind of silly stuff that he does usually fall into one of two groups: Over 80 years of age and never finished school OR children still in school. And neither group is sharp enough to spot even slightly-masked humor. Goes right over their heads.;)

Heh-heh! :D People who post the kind of silly stuff that he does usually fall into one of two groups: Over 80 years of age and never finished school OR children still in school. And neither group is sharp enough to spot even slightly-masked humor. Goes right over their heads.;)

Or the wacko loons with tin foil hats

Disclaimer: I'd like logical answers only. I'd like a debunking of this.

A woman nearly crashed her car when her hands suddenly erupted into yellow flames, she quickly put them out though.

The second case, an old woman named Olga (in the 60s) was sleeping(?) in her guardian/carer's car. Her carer got out to go get something, moments later witnesses saw an explosion of flames. The engine wasn't running and nothing combustible was found in the car. She died 8 days later and said 'its too hot' when rescued.

Just curious of what the causes were for these two incidents. Again. logical, non-supernatural answers only.

The car was hardly burnt anywhere. Also, please explain the odd burns/smoking skin in some 'victims'. (I use that term loosely.)

ANOTHER ONE?

Seriously dude give over, you have been told over and over again that there is no evidence for spontaneous combustion and that its not physically possible either.

Edit to add, my hand spontaneously burst into flames when I was 14, of course the metho I accidentally poured all over it and the lighter I was trying to light the metho burner with had NOTHING to do with it:rolleyes::bugeye:

ANOTHER ONE?

Seriously dude give over, you have been told over and over again that there is no evidence for spontaneous combustion and that its not physically possible either.

Edit to add, my hand spontaneously burst into flames when I was 14, of course the metho I accidentally poured all over it and the lighter I was trying to light the metho burner with had NOTHING to do with it:rolleyes::bugeye:

Still doesn't explain what happened to the old woman sleeping alone in the car then suddenly seen exploding into flames.

Still doesn't explain what happened to the old woman sleeping alone in the car then suddenly seen exploding into flames.

Considering you have offered NO proof, the obvious conclusion is you pulled it out of your ass, like the other 50 threads you have posted

Search human combustion - eye witness cases in more detail.
The case of Olga is there.

I am NOT making anything up here.

Search human combustion - eye witness cases in more detail.
The case of Olga is there.

I am NOT making anything up here.

I did search your cases, and I found the EXACT same post you have obviously posted (and had deleted) on yahoo answers. Nothing else

Just out of curiosity, is there anything about chemistry that interests you, other than the alchemy of fire and water, particularly as it involves interactions with human flesh?

I mean: I hate to ask about earth and wind, but do you ever wonder if some of this is better suited for a thread on morbid ideation, as opposed to the relatively innocuous subject of chemical reactions, properties, etc., normally associated with chemistry?

I'm just saying.

You didn't search right then. The woman was in her 70's and the incident happened in the 1960's.

You still didn't answer my question about what happened to Olga.

I mean: I hate to ask about earth and wind...
That would explain the gastronomic impact of Beans would it not?

Various conflicting stories from different websites, some that link to each other, aren't too convincing. Maybe you've got some better evidence than what can be found through a web search.

There's not even anything about her acting career, odd since all the stories emphasis that point. But it sounds more impressive.

Answer my question about Olga.

You didn't search right then. The woman was in her 70's and the incident happened in the 1960's.

You still didn't answer my question about what happened to Olga.

Exactly the same thing that has happened to her in every OTHER thread you have posted on her. You do know there are rules about spamming don't you?

Moderator note:

The OP has not even provided ordinary proof of any of this.

I've been more than tolerant, this thread is done.

If you want to talk spontaneous human combustion, then alternative theories or pseudoscience would be an appropriate subforum, unless you have some specific chemistry related aspect you wish to discuss.

Beyond that, given the profligate number of threads the OP has started on this topic in the Chemistry subforum, further threads may be met with warnings or bans for spam.

My friend's family said the coroner refused to rule it was shc so it's gone unexplained. the guy had eaten and drank a lot and fell asleep on the sofa. in the morning he was found dead, burnt but nothing else burnt. he did not smoke. the house was just how the family had left it

My friend stated there are many cases in the FBI that have no conclusion. this has never been debunked

Why do you make this BS up?

Now it's an undisclosed friend?

I'm not making it up. look up spontaneous human combustion it's very real noone knows for sure what causes it even scientists.

Just read the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion), follow the references, and make up your own mind.

If you happen to want to believe that there is a supernatural explanation, go right ahead. Your life is your own.

It's not supernatural the guy's body overreacted and caught fire from the inside as he was sleeping.

he didn't smoke.

It's not supernatural the guy's body overreacted and caught fire from the inside as he was sleeping.

he didn't smoke.

I imagine then that you can reference the coroner's report that states that the source of ignition was indeed internal?

Because it was. There was no source of ignition otherwise my friend said he was lying on the sofa sleeping.
And thanks for the Wikipedia link because I now have sources and links.

My friend's family said the coroner refused to rule it was shc so it's gone unexplained. the guy had eaten and drank a lot and fell asleep on the sofa. in the morning he was found dead, burnt but nothing else burnt. he did not smoke. the house was just how the family had left it

My friend stated there are many cases in the FBI that have no conclusion. this has never been debunked


Could you ask your friend to tell you the persons name and where they lived so that you could tell us so that we might contact that towns coroner? Or is this asking to much of you?

I'm not making it up. look up spontaneous human combustion it's very real noone knows for sure what causes it even scientists.

Clearly you are.

Indeed, there are less then 1 case per year over the last 300 years and given that there are 7 billion people on the planet your friend just happened to be one?

Really?

Could you ask your friend to tell you the persons name and where they lived so that you could tell us so that we might contact that towns coroner? Or is this asking to much of you?

No, she didn't give the name or location in her post. Just that the guy was found dead, burnt lying on the sofa but the sofa wasn't burnt, only him and he didn't smoke. The family had left the house just how it was throughout the night. Nothing had changed. You'd think with all these cases that investigators would find a cure or take it more seriously.

No, she didn't give the name or location in her post. Just that the guy was found dead, burnt lying on the sofa but the sofa wasn't burnt, only him and he didn't smoke. The family had left the house just how it was throughout the night. Nothing had changed. You'd think with all these cases that investigators would find a cure or take it more seriously.

So it's not really a friend you grew up with is it?

It's someone you only know from the internet.

But of course you believe her even though she hasn't given you a single verifiable detail.

That about right?

A woman nearly crashed her car when her hands suddenly erupted into yellow flames, she quickly put them out though.

The second case, an old woman named Olga (in the 60s) was sleeping(?) in her guardian/carer's car. Her carer got out to go get something, moments later witnesses saw an explosion of flames. The engine wasn't running and nothing combustible was found in the car. She died 8 days later and said 'its too hot' when rescued.

Just curious of what the causes were for these two incidents. Again. logical, non-supernatural answers only.

The car was hardly burnt anywhere. Also, please explain the odd burns/smoking skin in some 'victims'. (I use that term loosely.)

The same case applies for Jaqualine Fritzmon in the 80s. (search her name, things will come up.) She felt ill and then people watched her errupt into flames. I shall award a 1,000,000 Dollar Prize to whoever answers and explains those fully. Because the FBI, Forensic 'Experts' 'Scientists' have not.

So you refuse to answer the questions and just post more unsubstantiated BS?

Indeed, searching the internet simply turns up what appears to be you posting this BS everywhere.

Question, how long is it typically before administrators get tired of you and boot you off their forums?

So a coroner's report, a TV Documentary and Newspaper coverage isn't 'credible'? Why are you so strong to dismiss it?

No, she didn't give the name or location in her post. Just that the guy was found dead, burnt lying on the sofa but the sofa wasn't burnt, only him and he didn't smoke. The family had left the house just how it was throughout the night. Nothing had changed. You'd think with all these cases that investigators would find a cure or take it more seriously.

But you said it happened where she lived so where was that at?

She didn't say.

She didn't say.

You have her Email or some way to communicate with her so just ask her.

So a coroner's report, a TV Documentary and Newspaper coverage isn't 'credible'? Why are you so strong to dismiss it?

Well you haven't linked to any of those things in this case.

Post the links and we'll see if it is credible.

For the woman in the car, search 'Olga spontaneous human combustion'
For the woman's hands the same thing, it's definitely on the internet somewhere.

I quote the coroner from the most recent case in Ireland, Michael Fharety in Galway. On 8 January 1985, in Widnes, Cheshire, a young girl called Jacqueline Fitzsimon caught fire for no reason at school after feeling pains in her back and she had felt ill. Within 5 minutes she was reduced to ash, noone could put the flames out. It's all there.

Another case too, but it's very vague. A man was in the kitchen making his wife something, she was watching movies in the other room, she heard an explosion and her husband was dead. Again, I don't know, but if anyone could even explain anything about the other cases, ESPECIALLY ones that had witnesses that always seem to be avoided by 'investigators' they deserve a million dollar award, something no scientist or Forensic expert has so far been able to accomplish with these cases. (most of them at least.)

LOL

“Faherty's case may not be as mysterious as it looks. There was, after all, an open fire close to his burned body. It seems likely that a spark or ember might have popped from the fire onto his clothing, and caught his clothing on fire.

So we are right back to WICKING as the far more likely answer.

Well done, but you didn't explain the case with Olga seen bursting into flames in her carer's car (remember, nothing combustible was found, the car wasn't burnt and it happened moments after her carer left the car.)

The so-called wick effect doesn't apply to eyewitness or survivor cases such as the one above. I wish some people could get that.

the case with Olga seen bursting into flames in her carer's car

Do you know where the story originally comes from? Are there any official public records or anything?

Following it back to the source is the only way you'll be able to get any idea of it's veracity. And perhaps not even then.

If you don't do that you're basing your belief on whether other people believe it, which isn't reliable. It becomes less reliable the more dramatic the subject matter, to the point where things like people inexplicably erupting with flames would always be featured in stories just because of the basic facts of human nature, even before you consider whether they are actually happening.

Well done, but you didn't explain the case with Olga seen bursting into flames in her carer's car (remember, nothing combustible was found, the car wasn't burnt and it happened moments after her carer left the car.)

The so-called wick effect doesn't apply to eyewitness or survivor cases such as the one above. I wish some people could get that.

Except nothing is to be found about this case except on internet sites promoting SHC and they all say the same thing, but none of them have any actual writings from the day.

If Olga actually spontaneously combusted on that day, one would expect that it would be an on-going story, carried in many newspapers and on TV.

No such supporting details appear to be found.

If this phenomina was so 'uncredible' or 'false' as you say it is, then it would've been debunked and the Forensic Experts would've concluded the cases were fake. It puzzles the best scientists and there ARE over 200+ Documented Cases of this all over the world. Who are you to question them?

PS: These cases still make worldwide news. They wouldn't do that if it weren't real or 'not credible'.

You can't debunk something that someone made up. There has to be something of substance to begin to question something.

You say 200+ cases and worldwide news, yet you provide no actual links to follow, and searching just brings up typical woowoo sites that of course support each other, but still have no original sources to back anything up.

It's like a car wreck. You know just to let the thread die, but you want to see how much sillier it can get.

A user on this thread gave a link to it on Wikipedia. Look it up. It states there were that many cases and even gives links of some notable examples. And it isn't silly, a thread on cancer must be silly to you too.

And when a coroner determines that someone dies of undetermined causes, that just means there wasn't enough evidence to support one reason or another. It doesn't mean that there's some mysterious phenomena going on. Just like UFOs, it's the same issue. But of course if you *want* to believe in these things, they suddenly look so convincing...and people who provide normal causes for them are such downers.

A user on this thread gave a link to it on Wikipedia. Look it up. It states there were that many cases and even gives links of some notable examples.

Here's your biggest problem. YOU look it up, show us where. It's your burden to provide this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion
and look at some examples.
Also, if you want something even better, SEARCH GOOGLE:
'Spontaneous Human Combustion eyewitness cases in more detail' (exact name of the article header, it provides 5 cases. So please look at both of those before coming back to insult me.)
The Article shall come straight up.

If this phenomina was so 'uncredible' or 'false' as you say it is, then it would've been debunked and the Forensic Experts would've concluded the cases were fake. It puzzles the best scientists and there ARE over 200+ Documented Cases of this all over the world. Who are you to question them?

PS: These cases still make worldwide news. They wouldn't do that if it weren't real or 'not credible'.

So where are these 200 documented cases?

Because I see you keep going back to the same few old cases

And you have YET to show any actual cases that you had any details on or weren't readily explainable.

Indeed nearly everything you claim just tracks back to ONE work and that's Larry Arnold's book Ablaze!: The Mysterious Fires of Spontaneous Human Combustion, a book which features a blurb from Maury Povich on its back cover. Paranormal investigator Joe Nickell refers to this work as Spontaneous Human Nonsense.

http://skepdic.com/shc.html

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/not-so-spontaneous_human_combustion/

http://curezone.com/forums/fmp.asp?i=106264

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And on a personal note: nobody is buying LeBlanc's story of a "friend" who spontaneously combusted. And what are the chances that LeBlanc has had TWO friends who have recently died under mysterious circumstances. To paraphrase Wilde, losing one friend in a freak accident is a trajedy; to lose two starts to look like carelessness.

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And on a personal note: nobody is buying LeBlanc's story of a "friend" who spontaneously combusted. And what are the chances that LeBlanc has had TWO friends who have recently died under mysterious circumstances. To paraphrase Wilde, losing one friend in a freak accident is a trajedy; to lose two starts to look like carelessness.

Thank you VERY much!!! :)

In truth, he's nothing but a naive little kid who believes ANY nutty thing he comes across. He needs a LONG timeout so he can get back into spending more time in school (and less on the computer) to learn more facts about real life instead of wasting it on all this fable junk. :mad:

I really don't think 'fables' would be in the news and have the press spread the world globaly in the form of Headlines in every single news provider, newspaper, radio and tabloid about the cases that happen.

1. Michael Fharety
2. A 50 year old woman. '2nd case of Spontaneous Human Combustion' as the headline in the Irish Times. Happened closely to the other.

The woman was found burnt, mistaken for a christmas tree that was burnt. All that was left was her leg. A bottle of vodka next to her that's it. nothing else was burnt but her cats were dead due to carbon monoxide poisoning and the woman had toxic cyanide levels in her blood from her burning.

I really don't think 'fables' would be in the news and have the press spread the world globaly in the form of Headlines in every single news provider, newspaper, radio and tabloid about the cases that happen.

1. Michael Fharety
2. A 50 year old woman. '2nd case of Spontaneous Human Combustion' as the headline in the Irish Times. Happened closely to the other.

The woman was found burnt, mistaken for a christmas tree that was burnt. All that was left was her leg. A bottle of vodka next to her that's it. nothing else was burnt but her cats were dead due to carbon monoxide poisoning and the woman had toxic cyanide levels in her blood from her burning.

That's just stupid. A burning human body does NOT produce cyanide - "toxic levels" or otherwise.

Another thing: If you are going to continue to post this rubbish, at least become smart enough to INCLUDE LINKS to what you're "reporting" here. As it is, no one is buying into any of your silliness. :mad:

Yes, in this case her burning body did produce cyanide.
I'm using a friend's computer and I cannot give links. Just search this into google:

'Irish Times second case spontaneous human combustion'
Please have some sympathy because a woman died of this, If she were alive, I think she'd be a bit upset how you're labeling her cause of death as 'silliness' I could just go into a Cancer website and call it silly despite the fact that deaths from cancer pop up in the news once in a while and people die of it. Same thing.

The article clearly states there were toxic levels of cyanide in her bloodstream (from smoke inhalation?)

Yes, in this case her burning body did produce cyanide.
I'm using a friend's computer and I cannot give links. Just search this into google:

'Irish Times second case spontaneous human combustion'
Please have some sympathy because a woman died of this, If she were alive, I think she'd be a bit upset how you're labeling her cause of death as 'silliness' I could just go into a Cancer website and call it silly despite the fact that deaths from cancer pop up in the news once in a while and people die of it. Same thing.

The article clearly states there were toxic levels of cyanide in her bloodstream (from smoke inhalation?)

No, it's hardly the same thing. And I'm NOT going to do your research for you. You can use Google on your friend's computer as easily as you can on your own machine. That's just another cheap attempt on YOUR part to try and escape responsibility for what you post. :bugeye::mad:

Okay, here. The link to the official news source. Can you argue with two coroners and a reporter?

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Second-case-of-spontaneous-human-combustion---Irish-mother-bursts-into-flames-133797633.html

Read it and weep.

Okay, here. The link to the official news source. Can you argue with two coroners and a reporter?

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Second-case-of-spontaneous-human-combustion---Irish-mother-bursts-into-flames-133797633.html

Read it and weep.

You obviously know nothing about fire if you think the cyanide and carbon monoxide suggests that she burst into flames.

Read the title of the news article. It says the Irish woman had burst into flames.
Nothing else was burnt and there was no antimortem damage.

Okay, here.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Second-case-of-spontaneous-human-combustion---Irish-mother-bursts-into-flames-133797633.html

Read it and weep.

Oh, yeah, lots of weeping going on here - NOT!! Are you actually so poorly educated that you'd believe just anything reported in a newspaper (which, by the way, makes EVERY attempt to sensationalize every story as much as they can)????

And that same issue also carries an article about a woman who claims to have "she captured image of Jesus on Cliffs of Moher."

I suppose you believe THAT also. :bugeye:

And that same issue also carries an article about a woman who claims to have "she captured image of Jesus on Cliffs of Moher."

I suppose you believe THAT also. :bugeye:

Only if the cliff burst into flames!;)

Only if the cliff burst into flames!;)

Heh-heh! Yeah, then he'd believe it. :D

Thing is, the stuff IS real - it's just that it requires an external ignition source AND perhaps a bit of accelerant as well. But no one seems able to get the truth through his thick skull. Pity.

Heh-heh! Yeah, then he'd believe it. :D

Thing is, the stuff IS real - it's just that it requires an external ignition source AND perhaps a bit of accelerant as well. But no one seems able to get the truth through his thick skull. Pity.

actually the cyanide PROVES that stuff other than the body burned, probably plastic or paint

actually the cyanide PROVES that stuff other than the body burned, probably plastic or paint

Yep foam in cushions is notorius for that.

No, NOTHING else, I repeat nothing was burnt aside from the woman. she was found on the floor burnt, yet the floor didn't even burn.

"Immediate vicinity" usually means things nearby.

No, NOTHING else, I repeat nothing was burnt aside from the woman. she was found on the floor burnt, yet the floor didn't even burn.

Well I recommend that you always have a bucket of water within reach, LeBlanc. You never know when; WHOOSH, you'll just burst into flames. Must be scary being you and believing all of this goofy stuff.

Just try in relax and keep that water bucket handy.:rolleyes:

Unless you have an allergy to water, of course.

Unless you have an allergy to water, of course.

Good God!! What a dilemma!:D

Well even though it's total quackery, SHC would be a very useful claim for if I had a smoking wife and she passed out on the couch shortly after lighting one up. If LeBlanc were working at the insurance company, I might just luck out!

And on a personal note: nobody is buying LeBlanc's story of a "friend" who spontaneously combusted.
i disagree.
the other night i was with my favorite squeeze.
dude, i was ON FIRE ! ! :D