We all know that pork is unlawful in the Jewish law. Yet the Christians do eat it..

There are 2 general arguments I have heard to justify this behavior:

1. We are not under the law (the curse has been lifted :shrug: )
2. Jesus stated 'everything is lawful unto you' (he was referring to food in the context)

To me I see both of these to be inter-related...

The law is lifted because it was 'fulfilled' (i personally disagree with how Christians understand this word but oh well).

According to Christian belief 'all was fulfilled' when Christ was crucified. So PRIOR to this point the law was still in effect.

The statement 'everything is lawful unto you' was said BEFORE the crucification- but this is supposedly when everything (including pork) was legalized.

But Jesus had said that anyone who breaks OR teaches against the old law (which he came to re-affirm) would be called upon by God for doing so.....

So I see both of those arguments fail in this, as it leads to these problems:

1. Jesus breaking the law (by teaching everything is lawful even though pork was unlawful)
2. Number 1 leads to the law not being 'fulfilled'
3. Which leads to the curse of the law not being take away (as its not fulfilled)
4. Which leads to Christians still being under the law
5. And that law prohibits pork.

Now question: Explain to me how you justify you eating pork from the biblical texts without having Jesus break the law and cause a cascade of other problems which I just listed above.

I'm not saying there is a contradiction or anything, I personally believe the Christians have the wrong belief (interpretation) about the Bible. But those of you who do argue for the 2 points (I mentioned in the beginning), explain yourself please.

Peace be unto you ;)

Is there some variation of Godwin's Law that applies to threads with titles like "Hey <identity group>, explain yourself dammit!"

If not, there should be.

it was a set up . Yeah so the apostles could covert different people to the new religion . See the trick to go hang out with different folks and teach em the new way of Christ Worship . So in order to do this thay had to be able to eat what ever shit was put in front of them . See later Paul the Jewish Traitor told them they could eat what ever they want if that is what your host is eating . Then He went on to say " If it offends that person don't eat it . It was all about eating what they eat and not bitching and complaining . You see why don't you . If you bitch and complain they are not going to follow your new religion . That drives people away when you do that . So like when they would go hang out with Germans , Well pig is on the menu . See now if the German was truly converted and they were around a Muslim . They would not eat pig cause it is offensive so in this did the holy German eating pig in front of a Muslim brake the law ? Yes , but not for eating Pig , but for offending the Muslim. The reason is the 2 laws still in effect in the new religion. Those laws are as follows . 1 Love God , That would be you loving Me , Stryder and Spidey Goat . 2 Love all the humans.
O.K. get it ? It is wrong for a Christian to eat pork in fornt of a Muslim . Kind of like not smoking in front of your parents when you are under 18 now a days . Heavebs that do what they want like Me . We do what we want cause were free to do what we want . If it is beneficial it don't matter . We are subject to do what we must do as to do what we must do , in order to do what we must do . I got to do what I got to do

From Catholic viewpoint, the Old Law was fulfilled by Jesus. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) explains, “The Law has not been abolished, but rather man is invited to rediscover it in the person of his Master who is its perfect fulfillment.” (CCC 2053).

For example, rediscovery of the dietary law (including eating pork), is explained: “Jesus perfects the dietary law, so important in Jewish daily life, by revealing its pedagogical meaning through a divine interpretation: ‘Whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him . . .’ (Thus he declared all foods clean.) What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts. . . ." (CCC 582)

The above 3 posts explain why I don't create inter-faith threads anymore, a concern brought by that other thread...

Now stop your trolling if you don't mind. I'll report you all if any of this crap continues.

From Catholic viewpoint, the Old Law was fulfilled by Jesus. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) explains, “The Law has not been abolished, but rather man is invited to rediscover it in the person of his Master who is its perfect fulfillment.” (CCC 2053).

For example, rediscovery of the dietary law (including eating pork), is explained: “Jesus perfects the dietary law, so important in Jewish daily life, by revealing its pedagogical meaning through a divine interpretation: ‘Whatever goes into a man from outside cannot defile him . . .’ (Thus he declared all foods clean.) What comes out of a man is what defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts. . . ." (CCC 582)

I already 'challenged' the fulfillment part in my OP, so at least address it rather than repeat what I already know.

As for the nothing defiles you... The context starts from beginning of the chapter...

Pharisees talk about WASHING OF HANDS. So the 'uncleanliness' was about the 'dirty hands' essentially, not about the 'nature of unclean'. That is the pig is said to be unclean by the law- this type of 'unclean' is different than being unclean because of not washing your hands.

Mark 7 and Matthew 15 begin with the same story.

Check out Matt 15:16-20:

16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

He isn't saying anything about the 'unclean' as in the nature of stuff made to be by God in the law. He's talking about 'dirty hands'.

This is a classic example of Christians not looking at the context and understanding the wording out-of-context. And even if for the sake of argument I accept this out-of-context interpretation, it still creates multiple problems as I listed in my OP, one would be Jesus breaking the law by teaching this.

Peace be unto you ;)

you see I was not trolling . See you forget the passages that say they will drink poison and eat ( something i forget take poison ? ) and no harm will come to them . That in the same spirit as eating what is offered to you by your host . Meaning you can eat what they serve as Not To Offend them ,

O.K. lets talk about some of the other forbiddin fruits as pig is just one unclean animal in the old Law , Cat Fish is unclean cause it has no scales . Is this any diferent than Pig ? How about Rabbit? Rabbit is an unclean animal too . Can't eat no rabbit . Crustacean like Lobster and Crab . No No touchy just as bad as pig . There are many many more unclean foods . Why is it you focus just on Pig . There are also a boat load of other laws that are ritualistic in nature that are in old law . Go take a look at all the laws Moses imposed.

It must have been me God Crack that up set you . Sorry .

As Christianity explains it:

Jesus stated that the old covenant with Jehovah and his "chosen people" was over. There were no more Orthopraxic rules, no rituals, no movements. The only thing, Christ said, that mattered was the relationship between Christ and his followers. The covenant existed with the Jews existed solely to prepare the way for the son of God. The various rituals and peculiarities existed not just for specific reasons, but to set the Jews apart. To make the different and to incur the wrath of the fellow human beings. This wrath further re-inforced the "difference" and preserved the Jews as a messenger group of the coming of the son of God. It also forced the Jews to constantly re-evaluate who they were and what they stood for.

The forbidding of Pork, the washing of hands at the Sadr, the rules on intercourse, the physical movement of the body during prayer and the ritual slaughter of animals in atonement of sins were all done to create specific identity group, apart from all other men, who would herald and glorify the son of God. Once Christ had been born and once the Jews had failed in their mission to that end, the covenant was (doubly) no longer required. Christ established a new Covenant with his followers based on few rules and no ritual as rituals both dumbed down the masses and created a gulf between people and Chris.

Islam just copied off the various parts of Judaism that it liked, incorporated Arab mysticism, moon and rock (Kaaba) worship. All religions do this, just that Islam did it even more obviously than most.

More recently, Mormonism picked-and-chose in much the same way from the things it liked and dispensed with the rest.

In the end, all religions are beyond wacky in their various rules and regulations, not the least of which, are on matters that really have no bearing on a deity or his/her worship.

~String

I already 'challenged' the fulfillment part in my OP, so at least address it rather than repeat what I already know.

As for the nothing defiles you... The context starts from beginning of the chapter...

Pharisees talk about WASHING OF HANDS. So the 'uncleanliness' was about the 'dirty hands' essentially, not about the 'nature of unclean'. That is the pig is said to be unclean by the law- this type of 'unclean' is different than being unclean because of not washing your hands.

Mark 7 and Matthew 15 begin with the same story.

Check out Matt 15:16-20:

16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

He isn't saying anything about the 'unclean' as in the nature of stuff made to be by God in the law. He's talking about 'dirty hands'.

This is a classic example of Christians not looking at the context and understanding the wording out-of-context. And even if for the sake of argument I accept this out-of-context interpretation, it still creates multiple problems as I listed in my OP, one would be Jesus breaking the law by teaching this.

Peace be unto you ;)

So, you, a Muslim with know knowledge of Christianity are going to lecture a bunch of Christians about how they should worship. How tolerant of you.

~String

Why the hell are you guys even here. And then some ppl wonder why there aren't many inter-theist discussions here.

Copying and pasting, or making your own screwed up points does not equal answering the question under the scope of discussion. Are you folks just that idiotic?

I know what you think about theists and religions- keep that crap to yourself, or open a thread of yourself...

For some reason you atheists can't stop trolling.

Peace be unto you ;)

So, you, a Muslim with know knowledge of Christianity are going to lecture a bunch of Christians about how they should worship. How tolerant of you.

~String

Were you contributing to the discussion? I never knew this discussion was about tolerance.. Keep your one-liner nonsense to yourself because you're all just trolling :eek:

No. Actually, I was pointing out a typical bit of nonsense coming from religious whack-nuts like yourself who operate from the notion that your religion gives you both a platform and the right to lecture others on how they should believe. I see that--when it comes to discussions--you, a Muslim, only like the ones where you get to criticize others. Typically Muslim.

Here's a clue, sir, if you don't like it here, then go away. No one will chase you down or beg you to come back. The real troll here is you, hoping to utilize this thread as another opportunity to tell the world about your faith and how they should love it.

Also note: I answered the OP.

~String

Now question: Explain to me how you justify you eating pork from the biblical texts.

I'm not saying there is a contradiction or anything, I personally believe the Christians have the wrong belief (interpretation) about the Bible. But those of you who do argue for the 2 points (I mentioned in the beginning), explain yourself please.

Peace be unto you ;)[/QUOTE]



I don't know If it was Moses or God come out with 613 commandments , but I will believe more that was Moses.
As for me as a Christian . the 10 commandments are the important . Because is the relationship Man to his Creator and the relationship man to man. The thing about pork or many other rituals , those are for keeping people under control in the same religion , In other words you belong to this club or you belong to the other club./

No. Actually, I was pointing out a typical bit of nonsense coming from religious whack-nuts like yourself who operate from the notion that your religion gives you both a platform and the right to lecture others on how they should believe. I see that--when it comes to discussions--you, a Muslim, only like the ones where you get to criticize others. Typically Muslim.

Still trolling?


Here's a clue, sir, if you don't like it here, then go away. No one will chase you down or beg you to come back. The real troll here is you, hoping to utilize this thread as another opportunity to tell the world about your faith and how they should love it.

First of all, if you don't like forum rules, then you should be the one to leave.

Secondly, most of the threads here are to 'further ones opinion'- now if you don't mind, please act at least a little intelligent even if you lack intelligence. You're atheist after-all; excepted more 'intelligence' from an atheist.


Also note: I answered the OP.

~String

Note: You didn't.. In all of that nonsense you posted I didn't see a single passage from the bible-

Perhaps you didn't read the OP:


Now question: Explain to me how you justify you eating pork from the biblical texts.

Peace be unto you ;)

I don't know If it was Moses or God come out with 613 commandments , but I will believe more that was Moses.

So you don't believe the Bible is God's word?


Lev 11:1
And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

.... continues

11:7-8
And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they [are] unclean to you

So it seems its God (Lord?) saying that this is the law. According to Christ, the law of Moses 'not a jot shall pass unless all is fulfilled'.. And whether you care about all of it or not is irrelevant because Jesus himself said that anyone who breaks 'least' of the law or teaches against it will be questioned.... So are you telling me that YOU just don't give a crap about it- or do you plan to support your belief with your scripture or at least Jesus? Or do you not accept Jesus's words himself about the importance of law? Are you following your own religion or are you following what Christ told you?

Peace be unto you ;)

Bullshit, look at the title of the thread "Christians please explain. . . " as if one is owed to you.

And I gave you an explanation based upon the Christian philosophy. Here are passages from the bible:


"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this. Jesus declared all foods "clean.") Mark 7:18-20 NIV

He said to them, "Then do you also fail to understand? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters not the heart but the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?" (Thus he declared all foods clean.) Mark 7:18-20 NRSV

You, trying to "redefine" the passage as talking about "washing hands" is your interpretation, one of a Muslim who's trying to force his worldview on everybody else.

~String

So it seems its God (Lord?) saying that this is the law. According to Christ, the law of Moses 'not a jot shall pass unless all is fulfilled'.. And whether you care about all of it or not is irrelevant because Jesus himself said that anyone who breaks 'least' of the law or teaches against it will be questioned.... So are you telling me that YOU just don't give a crap about it- or do you plan to support your belief with your scripture or at least Jesus? Or do you not accept Jesus's words himself about the importance of law? Are you following your own religion or are you following what Christ told you?

This is exactly what I'm taking about. You're lecturing. Not asking. As usual, you're operating from the notion first and finding information to support it, second.

~String

Bullshit, look at the title of the thread "Christians please explain. . . " as if one is owed to you.

And I gave you an explanation based upon the Christian philosophy. Here are passages from the bible:


"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this. Jesus declared all foods "clean.") Mark 7:18-20 NIV

He said to them, "Then do you also fail to understand? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters not the heart but the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?" (Thus he declared all foods clean.) Mark 7:18-20 NRSV

~String

Thanks for repeating the verse provided by Mind over Matter- and thank for not reading my response. And thanks for not approaching the problems that result from this as I stated in the OP..

and now thanks for staying out :eek:

Peace be unto you ;)

Sorry, 786. Not going to "stay out". I have all night. I'm on vacation.

You're a liar. You're not here to attempt to understand, you're here to preach your view to everybody else.

And, in your stupidity, you attempted to "reinterpret" the bible to suit your own means.

Where, specifically, in the bible does it say that Jesus was only talking about hand-washing and not about food in general?

As I said, the new covenant (and you could do some reading on it if you want) broke the old laws and replaced it totally. I already said this and you just ignored it because it didn't give you the answer that you want and the only answer you'll except is: Christianity is wrong. Pork is forbidden. Muslims win.

~String

This is exactly what I'm taking about. You're lecturing. Not asking. As usual, you're operating from the notion first and finding information to support it, second.

~String

It turns out that I'm asking- but since the guy provides no biblical text- it sounds lecturing- maybe because by perception my argument is stronger than his since he provides no scripture to support his argument....

Most people believe that 'belief' should be stated in scripture- which is what I'm asking.

Stay the hell out if you can't stand rationale debate. Because to me you just want people to spout their belief and turn this into a preaching session rather than an intellectual discussion supported by reasonable evidence.

Peace be unto you ;)

Sorry, 786. Not going to "stay out". I have all night. I'm on vacation.

You're a liar. You're not here to attempt to understand, you're here to preach your view to everybody else.

And, in your stupidity, you attempted to "reinterpret" the bible to suit your own means.

Where, specifically, in the bible does it say that Jesus was only talking about hand-washing and not about food in general?

~String

Did you not read the part where I said: FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT I WILL ACCEPT THIS INTERPRETATION! Other problems arise from this-... which is also exactly what I point out in the OP.. If you can't synthesize information then you really DO need to stay out.

Peace be unto you ;)

You are preaching. That's just what you're doing.

And the more you tell me to "stay out" the more I'm inspired to come back.

As I said, you're attempting to lecture another faith on their beliefs. As I said, Christianity bases it's beliefs not on laws but on (as they say) "grace". No food is unclean.

~String

If you can't synthesize information then you really DO need to stay out.

You misused "synthesize", but that is another debate. Synthesis is the generating of new facts based upon previous ones. You, yourself, just stated that you want quotes, which would negate the SYNTHESIS I gave you, since you just called that "interpretation".

~String

Acts 10:9-17

New International Version (NIV)

Peter’s Vision

" 9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. "

~String

You misused "synthesize", but that is another debate. Synthesis is the generating of new facts based upon previous ones.

Ya like what you quoted and the 'interpretation' you said Christians use CREATE a NEW problem, which I talk about in the OP... Ya I know- used the word incorrectly.


You, yourself, just stated that you want quotes, which would negate the SYNTHESIS I gave you, since you just called that "interpretation".

Ya, never mind the other 'synthesis' that results from it...I know its just too hard to think about all of this together.

Do yourself a favor and stay out for reals. You're just destroying any intellectual image you had on this forum. But if that motivates you to continue, be my guest I'll just report all of this to the mod- I'm done responding to stupidity.

Peace be unto you :)

Acts 10:9-17

New International Version (NIV)

Peter’s Vision

" 9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. "

~String

Vision occurred after death of Christ--- the PROBLEM arises way before. Read the OP.

Peace be unto you :)

Ya like what you quoted and the 'interpretation' you said Christians use CREATE a NEW problem, which I talk about in the OP... Ya I know- used the word incorrectly.



Ya, never mind the other 'synthesis' that results from it...I know its just too hard to think about all of this together.

Do yourself a favor and stay out for reals. You're just destroying any intellectual image you had on this forum. But if that motivates you to continue, be my guest I'll just report all of this to the mod- I'm done responding to stupidity.

Peace be unto you :)

786, please understand, that your perception of my intellectual ability was never a worry for me. So, as I said, I'm not leaving. I'm enjoying myself. If it causes you to have a bad night or spout more nonsense, then I'm fine with that.

Another quote for you (notice, that you ignored my last quote):

Acts 15

New International Version (NIV)

Acts 15
The Council at Jerusalem
1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]—
18 things known from long ago.[c]

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

So, let me ask you. On what basis do you "question" Christians about their faith?

~String

I read the OP. Beyond trying to muddle through your religious bias, I gave you the only answers that existed in the Christian world while pointing out your hypocrisy.

As usual, you squeeled like a--er--stuck pig when questioned about your nonsense.

Again, on what grounds do you--a guy who worships a moon god--question other people's belief systems. If this were dialogue then you'd be doing a lot more "dialoguing".

~String

The Levitical law was a law for a special holy nation to be set aside to see if they could follow a set of precepts reflecting the perfection of God, and was there as Paul says as a schoolmaster, to lead us to the doctrine of grace. If righteousness comes by the law, he wrote, then Christ is dead in vain. Only Christ, out of all the men who sought to keep the law, actually managed it in thought, word and deed, despite being subjected to all temptations that man is prone to. This level of holiness is inconceivable to anyone who was normally conceived. The heritage from Adam through the male line precludes any such righteousness by works as we have a flesh that is in bondage to sin. So the only claim to such a righteousness we can have is for that man Jesus to have died on our behalf and to have offered himself as propitiation on the basis of simple belief in Him, repentance and calling on Him for salvation.

The experiment that the human can achieve righteousness by the law was done by God with the Jews as the chosen nation. It failed. Christ was the answer.

Retreived from: http://huliganov.tv/2011/04/25/why-do-christians-eat-pork/

~String

Another quote for you (notice, that you ignored my last quote)

Notice I didn't :D And great quotes but NONE OF THEM eliminate the problem that results from th previous quote.

The problem, if you don't understand is:

Jesus legalizing a substance that was prohibited DURING his life, causing him to break the commandment, causing the curse of the law (OLD law) not to be lifted because 'all was NOT fulfilled'- ANYTHING that is part of the 'new law' is IRRELEVANT UNTIL the old law is fulfilled- since 'not a jot shall pass until all is fulfilled'- WORD OF JESUS.. NOT Disciples.

Resolve THIS issue- the issue is greater than just 'can you eat pork'- I hope you understand.

Peace be unto you ;)

Resolve THIS issue- the issue is greater than just 'can you eat pork'- I hope you understand.

I do understand. I was raised a Christian in a Christian school by very religious parents. What YOU don't understand is that (a) there may be no satisfactory answer and (b) the answer may not be what you think.

As Christianity declares, Mosaic law and the prophesy was fully fulfilled when Jesus perished on the cross. You can either accept that or not. If you're attempting to find perfect continuity in Christianity or some logic in an illogical religion: GOOD LUCK.

But, as I said, your cherry-picking of "pork" is itself demonstrable prejudice on your part. Muslims don't eat pork and, for various religious and cultural reasons, perceive pork to be beyond disgusting, unclean and utilize swine and its imagery as the basest insult. It's why Muslims are obsessed with the notion that people eat pork (which, is actually really quite yummy, especially bacon). What YOU aren't getting is (again) (a) you're question is based on the prejudiced nature of who you are and what you think about pork, (b) there is no good answer as Christianity, like all Abrahamic faiths, is a basket of hypocrisy, nonsense, half-truths, lies, immorality and utter stupidity.

You, a Muslim, should be well aware of this fact from your acquaintance with your own weird faith. People don't need to "make sense" of faith. They just have it because it fills a void inside their mind.

~String

k... i get you...

The reason I bring the pork issue is because its part of the Jewish faith but not Christian. Christians see Islam as fake anyways, but they give authenticity to the Jewish faith. THAT is why I bring it up. Not because I am against pork, but because I'm interested in how they resolve this issue because they do recognize the authenticity of the Jewish faith. But the issue arises because of Jesus himself, that is why it is interesting, nothing else.

I understand that there may be no answer- but that is why there are discussion threads.. perhaps some Christian here will try to reconcile this all- you never know.

Thanks for the contribution.

Peace be unto you ;)

Its actually very simple. We are not Jews and are not bound by the holiness code. If we were bound than not only abstaining from pork but abstaining from eating unclean animals and separating meat from milk products and celebrating Jewish festivals and subject yourself to circumsicion would also be be part of your life. You cant just keep kosher and not observe the rest of the law- they go hand in hand.

You'll never find someone who is Jewish say that Gentiles are bound by the code.The Holiness code is meant for the ''Chosen'' people alone. Gentiles are expected to adhere to the Noachide Laws .

This is a classic example of Christians not looking at the context and understanding the wording out-of-context. And even if for the sake of argument I accept this out-of-context interpretation, it still creates multiple problems as I listed in my OP, one would be Jesus breaking the law by teaching this.

You know what Father says about eating Pork don't you.

Father says its not what you put in your mouth that will send you to hell! Its what comes out of your mouth that can send you to hell!!!

Its actually very simple. We are not Jews and are not bound by the holiness code. If we were bound than not only abstaining from pork but abstaining from eating unclean animals and separating meat from milk products and celebrating Jewish festivals and subject yourself to circumsicion would also be be part of your life. You cant just keep kosher and not observe the rest of the law- they go hand in hand.

You'll never find someone who is Jewish say that Gentiles are bound by the code.The Holiness code is meant for the ''Chosen'' people alone. Gentiles are expected to adhere to the Noachide Laws .

Okay I can accept this for modern Christians... The issue again is Jesus breaking the law by teaching against it by legalizing everything. Thus the law was not fulfilled. And according to Jesus you would do what HE commanded you to do- which was to follow the law of Moses- so even if the law was 'meant' to be for Jews- Jesus extended that to anyone who follows him- so you being a 'gentile' doesn't allow you to not follow what Jesus commanded.

Also the major issue that Jesus broke the commandment isn't resolved yet regardless if you can or cannot eat pork.

Btw how do you know you're a gentile and not part of the descendants of Jews who accepted Jesus?

Peace be unto you ;)

It's why Muslims are obsessed with the notion that people eat pork (which, is actually really quite yummy, especially bacon).
Does that mean I can continue to eat some of the delectable blood sausage, also know as blood pudding that I've always enjoyed? :)

You know what Father says about eating Pork don't you.

Father says its not what you put in your mouth that will send you to hell! Its what comes out of your mouth that can send you to hell!!!

Son (not Father)- secondly refer to my response to you in the first page.

Peace be unto you ;)

Acts 10:9-17

New International Version (NIV)

Peter’s Vision

" 9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. "

~String
We are under the New Covenant. In the New Testament, God unbound us from the Mosaic dietary laws. Read Acts 10:10-15
Act 10:10 - 15 And he became hungry and desired something to eat; but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance and saw the heaven opened, and something descending, like a great sheet, let down by four corners upon the earth.
In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air.
And there came a voice to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
But Peter said, "No, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."
And the voice came to him again a second time, "What God has cleansed, you must not call common."
This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.

So all I've got to share at this point in the discussion is...

Why the hell are you guys even here. And then some ppl wonder why there aren't many inter-theist discussions here.

Copying and pasting, or making your own screwed up points does not equal answering the question under the scope of discussion. Are you folks just that idiotic?

I know what you think about theists and religions- keep that crap to yourself, or open a thread of yourself...

For some reason you atheists can't stop trolling.

Peace be unto you ;)

I am not trolling . Geeze . Not very friendly are we . You know who Melek Taus is ? Tell Me about him if you do . I need to know in a bad way .

O.K. Muslims got the same right . Yeah ! I am right about this . Have you read the Al-Aaid part 3 yet . I believe it is were Al-qaeda gets its directive . I could be wrong ? You tell Me ? Have you read it? Seems like the same . It says what ever the Muslim needs to do and all will be forgiven if it is the will of Most Gracious . Can you tell Me that name is used ? " Most Gracious " I find it odd that it is an M. G. not to much unlike My God in Christian doctrine. Hells Bells even the kids go around saying O.M.G. moment . What is up with that . Tell Me why the Muslim uses Most Gracious. Please . I will answer more Christain things for you . I am a fucking Saint dude . Ther topic of Mormons were brought up . Did you know the Lost Boys surround Me . Ever heard of them? Fundamental Mormons . They each got boat loads of wives . Yeah Did you know that ? Young Virgin wives . What you think about that ?
Anyway I am not trolling and if you can answer My questions I will give you Me blessing ! I will . You may not think it means much but you might be surprised . You know how it was when Jacob wrestled the Angel ?

So all I've got to share at this point in the discussion is...

that is kind of mean . That is what we are talking about in the way of offensive . It does look good . Me German heritage is liken it

1. We are not under the law (the curse has been lifted :shrug: )
2. Jesus stated 'everything is lawful unto you' (he was referring to food in the context)



This has probably been mentioned, byut the Jews are in a special covenant with God, and that agreement with Him requires that they follow certain rules. They are not "cursed," they are His "chosen people."

Christians are not Jews and under a new covenant (a "New Testament") with God, with different rules.

The answer is probably quite simple. The Romans liked eating pork, it was the cheapest meat available.

We are under the New Covenant. In the New Testament, God unbound us from the Mosaic dietary laws. Read Acts 10:10-15

Did I not say that part?

~String

The answer is probably quite simple. The Romans liked eating pork, it was the cheapest meat available.

And it's damned tasty.

Bacon!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPZXMarHDvU) Really? It's the stuff of the gods.

~String

He quoted the passages in the new testament that explain why Christians don't give a fuck about pork. Most Christians probably don't even know them. He answered your question exactly. You are looking like a complete fool.

So you don't believe the Bible is God's word?



So it seems its God (Lord?) saying that this is the law. According to Christ, the law of Moses 'not a jot shall pass unless all is fulfilled'.. And whether you care about all of it or not is irrelevant because Jesus himself said that anyone who breaks 'least' of the law or teaches against it will be questioned.... So are you telling me that YOU just don't give a crap about it- or do you plan to support your belief with your scripture or at least Jesus? Or do you not accept Jesus's words himself about the importance of law? Are you following your own religion or are you following what Christ told you?

Peace be unto you ;)



Which law ? I believe in the bible there is word of God but not all what is written is the word God, There is written history and some is not very nice .
Again , the base is love thy God , and love you fellow man as your self.
What Jesus said , we don't know in what context and to whom he said . We can extrapolate many things and they can burdensome.

He quoted the passages in the new testament that explain why Christians don't give a fuck about pork. Most Christians probably don't even know them. He answered your question exactly. You are looking like a complete fool.

The PROBLEM is NOT finding a verse which makes it legal to eat pork.. The PROBLEM is Jesus breaking the law by teaching against the old law BEFORE the old law was fulfilled.

According to Jesus 'not a jot shall pass away' until it is all fulfilled- the Christians say the 'fulfillment' (and thus the taking away of the law) was the sinless Jesus who lived by it to the dot....

The question (and thus the PROBLEM) I raise is that by legalizing pork Jesus broke the law by his own words...

I'm not asking people to find a verse that says pork is fine- I'm asking people to reconcile the problem that ARISES due to it....

Its not me who's looking like a fool- it seems no one here understands the problem that is created- and they're just giving me verses which I already know.. Even I quoted in the OP "all is lawful unto you"- I didn't need any other quote to support the idea you can eat pork..

But if you read the OP- I describe the problems that come out of any such notion. No one is addressing them!

Peace be unto you ;)

Did Jesus eat pork? Does anyone know?

Which law ? I believe in the bible there is word of God but not all what is written is the word God, There is written history and some is not very nice .
Again , the base is love thy God , and love you fellow man as your self.
What Jesus said , we don't know in what context and to whom he said . We can extrapolate many things and they can burdensome.

So the quote I gave you from Leviticus in which God is speaking himself is not authentic in your eyes?

How do you choose which parts of the bible are god's word- it may be that the whole NT is not and the OT is?

Peace be unto you ;)

The PROBLEM is NOT finding a verse which makes it legal to eat pork.. The PROBLEM is Jesus breaking the law by teaching against the old law BEFORE the old law was fulfilled.

According to Jesus 'not a jot shall pass away' until it is all fulfilled- the Christians say the 'fulfillment' (and thus the taking away of the law) was the sinless Jesus who lived by it to the dot....

The question (and thus the PROBLEM) I raise is that by legalizing pork Jesus broke the law by his own words...

I'm not asking people to find a verse that says pork is fine- I'm asking people to reconcile the problem that ARISES due to it....

Its not me who's looking like a fool- it seems no one here understands the problem that is created- and they're just giving me verses which I already know.. Even I quoted in the OP "all is lawful unto you"- I didn't need any other quote to support the idea you can eat pork..

But if you read the OP- I describe the problems that come out of any such notion. No one is addressing them!

Peace be unto you ;)

Wow I guess you better kill all the Christians then huh?

Christians are not Jews and under a new covenant (a "New Testament") with God, with different rules.

Jesus preached to Jews who then became 'Christians' but they were still 'jews'. So can we say that those Christians who are descendants of Jews are still under the law while the Gentile Christians are not... even so..

The problem is Jesus broke the law. Jesus told his followers to follow it- and if he broke the law he was not sinless on the cross (the salvation is challenged), and the law is NOT fulfilled, which is what Paul quotes as a reason that the law need not be followed (remember PAUL was a JEW!)

Peace be unto you :)

Wow I guess you better kill all the Christians then huh?

Trolling after getting pwned, I know it happens :D

Peace be unto you ;)

2. Jesus stated 'everything is lawful unto you' (he was referring to food in the context

Jesus did not say this, I think. Could be wrong, but I don't remember it.
Paul definitely said it, but to a specific group, the Corinthians. The people of Corinth in particular, and gentiles extrapolating from that.
"Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is constructive.

1 Corinthians 10:23
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/10-23.htm

Can you quote Book, Chapter and Verse, so we know which verse we are talking about. Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. He was not telling Jews to stop obeying Jewish laws.

The question (and thus the PROBLEM) I raise is that by legalizing pork Jesus broke the law by his own words...

Wait. Did Jesus, himself, break the law? Did he eat pork?

~String

Jesus could break the rules because he made the rules. He saw himself as connected to the same source as that which generated the original rules, so he felt he could transcend them and it would not be a transgression. Part of it is also a cultural thing, the Christians wanted to be different than the Jews.

Wait. Did Jesus, himself, break the law? Did he eat pork?

~String

teaching against the law is breaking the law according to Jesus- I think i quoted that verse with reference before. Anyways I think Captain resolved the issue.

Peace be unto you ;)

Jesus did not say this, I think. Could be wrong, but I don't remember it.
Paul definitely said it, but to a specific group, the Corinthians. The people of Corinth in particular, and gentiles extrapolating from that.
"Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is constructive.

1 Corinthians 10:23
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/10-23.htm

Can you quote Book, Chapter and Verse, so we know which verse we are talking about. Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. He was not telling Jews to stop obeying Jewish laws.

Good Catch!

I've heard these general arguments but I didn't realize that the quote 'everything is lawful unto you' was just some dude paraphrasing the meaning of a quote as they understood.

Yep, such a verse doesn''t exit! Thanks, so that resolves it ;) Should have checked on it myself. But it seems it is the Mark and Mathew that people have been quoting where they take it to mean Jesus legalized all foods is the argument.

So as long as people don't interpret the Mark and Matthew verse to mean the legalization of all foods- I think that would resolve this issue.

Again nice catch.

Peace be unto you ;)

So the quote I gave you from Leviticus in which God is speaking himself is not authentic in your eyes?

How do you choose which parts of the bible are god's word- it may be that the whole NT is not and the OT is?

Peace be unto you ;)

I select things based on Jesus teaching . 2 Commandments 1) Love thy God with all your hearth 2) and love thy fellow man as you self. According all laws to man are based on these two commandment. The rest addition are complementary

Well anyways, thanks to Captain issue is resolved in my opinion.

Peace be unto you ;)

Jesus preached to Jews who then became 'Christians' but they were still 'jews'. So can we say that those Christians who are descendants of Jews are still under the law while the Gentile Christians are not... even so..

The problem is Jesus broke the law. Jesus told his followers to follow it- and if he broke the law he was not sinless on the cross (the salvation is challenged), and the law is NOT fulfilled, which is what Paul quotes as a reason that the law need not be followed (remember PAUL was a JEW!)

Peace be unto you :)

The seed is still subject to the law . We learn this from the book of Hebrew. The thing is are all Jews the seed ? No I don't think so ? It depend on which family . Some think only the peoples that come from Judah and then through King David are the seed . I don't know if that is right . So what are you saying ? Jesus is not the Christ there for Christianity is a bogus religion and should be wiped from the face of the earth like that Native Tribe was in California ? Do you think the Christ is yet to come then ? Great !

Why don't answer My questions ? Most Gracious . We know Paul was a Jew . Why do you think called him a Traitor . A Traitor to his own race . A race Traitor for the good of the world . You know what that is ? We discussed it on another thread were it was insinuated that White people should betray there race . Find there blackness so to speak . Paul found his whiteness when he Ate Pork . He was a race Traitor in this way . By the direction of the resurrected Jesus maybe ? Maybe Jesus had nothing to do with his Meat Dream ? Maybe it was his own delusions in his dream ?

Tell Me what you think about Melek Taus and the idea of rebellion . If you ate some pork would you be rebelling against your own culture ? What do you think about the divide of the family by Jesus ?

Talk to Me

A lot of the old Prophets were race traitors. O.K. There is a verse that says To Keep my Commandments . Jesus said it . The Adventist use the Quote to justify having Sabbath on Saturday instead of Sunday . They say All you Gona Rot in Hell because of it . All you that observe Sunday as the New Covenant Sabbath. What you think about that ?


I don't get it ? If the new Testament is bogus that is . Is the Quran Bogus too then ? I Mean Jesus was a Prophet Right by the Quran ? So you throw out the books of Jesus and insert the Quran in its place ? Am I missing something ?

There is a verse that says To Keep my Commandments . Jesus said it . The Adventist use the Quote to justify having Sabbath on Saturday instead of Sunday . They say All you Gona Rot in Hell because of it . All you that observe Sunday as the New Covenant Sabbath. What you think about that ?


Well, we're not too happy about it.
Seems a bit harsh to me.
Any chance of the Adventists changing their minds?

Here is a fun link for pork curious muslims Adventures in Pork: A Muslim eats various pork dishes for the first time in his life and divulges his thoughts. (http://newadventuresinpork.blogspot.com/)

Here is a fun link for pork curious muslims Adventures in Pork: A Muslim eats various pork dishes for the first time in his life and divulges his thoughts. (http://newadventuresinpork.blogspot.com/)

I would bet this guy thought of this idea thinking his blog will go viral- but probably is not a Muslim or ever was. Just my opinion though.

Peace be unto you :)

We all know that pork is unlawful in the Jewish law. Yet the Christians do eat it.Huh? Christians do not adhere to any part of the kashruth. They don't slaughter their livestock ritually, they have milk and meat at the same meal, they eat shellfish, they don't mind if the meat isn't totally drained of blood. Hell, they don't adhere to any part of the entire Jewish code of law, except maybe a few nits here and there, probably by coincidence or common sense. They work on the Sabbath, men shave, they have no taboo about blood.

In this context, there's nothing at all noteworthy about their taste for pork. They're not Jews so they don't behave like Jews.
I personally believe the Christians have the wrong belief (interpretation) about the Bible.Yes indeed, I agree. They think it's something more than a collection of moderately useful fairytales.

The Mormon sect of Christianity has an interesting take on the use of meat contained in its "Word of Wisdom" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Wisdom):

"Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly; And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine."

Since it does not mention fish or other water-animals, presumptively these are OK.

That is actually quite similar to the average Japanese diet, high in fish and low in red-meat, which is believed to be a healthy diet.

Question has been resolved already- so no need to continue :D

Peace be unto you ;)

God made beast for man.

Well, we're not too happy about it.
Seems a bit harsh to me.
Any chance of the Adventists changing their minds?

I don't think so unless there Big Sky Daddy tells em different , but only in person . They call Him Micheal did you know that Captain ? So strange . Them fucking Adventist say all kina strange things . That Helen White and that Kellog guy were some strange thinkers . Yet still I think it was typical thought of the day . The unraveling is how I think of it . It is like music . This drizzle or drip of information . Like an explosion captain . You see the bubble of the blast then you here the sound and them you feel the concussion and after that the blown up parts displaced from the bast start falling on you and hitting you , displacing you in the process . You see how it is the same . Just on different time scales . Time references . The leakage of information . Silos . O.K. consider this . When we look at a star in the night sky we are looking at the past right . The event happened long ago . We are receiving old information . It already happened long ago . We can't change it . We can only deal with it as the debris start to hit us . Jump out the way , run away , hit it straight on , duck and cover what ever . Bob and weave ( That be my personal favorite) . You see what I am saying . Forgone conclusions like playing chess were it is 5 moves to check mate

Question has been resolved already- so no need to continue :D

Peace be unto you ;)

Why do you avoid Me ? You got Me on Ignore ? Is it Because of the " Don't Bother Me sign on the internet that your culture flys ? Muslims are hard to get to know you know . You kind of snub people . Why is that ? Why do you snub Me ? No big deal . I been snubbed a lot in my life . More than not as a matter of fact . Funny cause I think I am the one that knocks at the door . The one who asks for a Drink at the well . Yeah ! The Work Man . The same one depicted in the moon in Moon Yarns . Yeah a guy carrying wood. Ever seen that imagery? There is another one of a person fishing . The line looks like it makes a point in the middle of a pond like a circumpent . I think that is what you call it . A point dead smack in the middle of a circle . Like when you swing a compass . Don't you want to convert Me to Islam . That is a good enough reason to talk to Me don't you think ? I want to know about Most Gracious and what that really means in Islam? I can't ever seem to get a straight answer from anyone . Bob and weave is what I get . What is up with that .

The Mormon sect of Christianity has an interesting take on the use of meat contained in its "Word of Wisdom" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Wisdom):

"Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly; And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine."

Since it does not mention fish or other water-animals, presumptively these are OK.

That is actually quite similar to the average Japanese diet, high in fish and low in red-meat, which is believed to be a healthy diet.

Are you L.D.S. Walter? Only Mormons know that stuff . Meat in Times of Famine that is . It ties in nicely with the 2 year food supply. I bet you know all about that too aye Walter . It is O.K. every one should at least know one , our own one ( No No forget I said that , Slavery was abolished) Just joking with you . Lighten up . You only got the one life at hand

The answer is simple. Pork, crustaceans etc. were unclean. This was remedied by the great flood. The"abominations" which were produced by man copulating with the animals were also destroyed. Noah was chosen not because he was a "spiritually" clean person, but because his DNA was clean. Sodom and Zamora were destroyed because "man had taken to laying with the beasts again". After the flood everything changed.

The answer is simple. Pork, crustaceans etc. were unclean.
Not an answer. How were they "unclean"?


The"abominations" which were produced by man copulating with the animals were also destroyed.
Huh?


Noah was chosen not because he was a "spiritually" clean person, but because his DNA was clean.
Evidence please.


Sodom and Zamora were destroyed because "man had taken to laying with the beasts again".
Nope.

But keep trying.

The answer is simple. Pork, crustaceans etc. were unclean.

Not an answer. How were they "unclean"?

The Old Testament called certain foods unclean—like pork, crustaceans, shells, fish without scales—and modern science has found out that many of these foods have higher toxicity. Pork has more toxins than other meats. Crustaceans and shells are the scavengers of the sea. And because fish release their toxins through their scales, fish without scales have slightly more toxins. I’m not saying you shouldn’t eat these delicious food, but perhaps minimize them in your diet.

Funny thing about science is it continues to back up the Bible (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=109616)

Dude that was like advertisement . Shell fish is good for you . I know bland old white fish is suppose to be better for you . Thats a lie if you want to get smart . Good old red sock eye salmon is better . Crayfish , How bout that . Yum Yum ! Me oh My, Were all gonna die, some day

How bout the p.b.c.s in the stripe bass population ? White fish kills pregnant woman

I’m not saying you shouldn’t eat these delicious food, but perhaps minimize them in your diet.
QED.


Funny thing about science is it continues to back up the Bible (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=109616)
Yup, and you were wrong there, too.

Dude that was like advertisement . Shell fish is good for you . I know bland old white fish is suppose to be better for you . Thats a lie if you want to get smart . Good old red sock eye salmon is better . Crayfish , How bout that . Yum Yum ! Me oh My, Were all gonna die, some day

How bout the p.b.c.s in the stripe bass population ? White fish kills pregnant woman
Dude, eat the best kinds of food. Thank heaven I'm a Christian!

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm yummy breakfast. Amen!

Dude, eat the best kinds of food. Thank heaven I'm a Christian!

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm yummy breakfast. Amen!

Shit I didn't eat today . Wow my mouth is watering . Pass the Jam would ya please

Wait. Did Jesus, himself, break the law? Did he eat pork?

~String

Well he picked corn on Saturday . His elders reamed his ass for it too . He came back at em with one of his witty phrases like your not the boss of me ! Only my father in the big sky is. No he said : If your ox is all falling in the swamp would you not pull em out if it was Saturday . I think he said : I am the Law. He didn't have a big stick like Moses . Moses was more like "Walking Tall" the movie. Get a bigger stick and all that. Funny how wheat kernels are called corn in the bible. Americans typically don't think of wheat as being corn . It was like a Du moment for me when i realized that . First time I read it it was like " How could it be ? There was no corn in the old world ? Maybe ancient trade routs are real ? You know Naive I can be . So Yeah be hung out with tax cheats , wine bibbers , tax collectors ( who we all know is the lowest of low in class systems right there down with the repoman and car salesmen . He hung out with Murderers and Prostitutes too !! You know what they say : Show Me your friends and I will tell you who you are

Bangers and mash.

Sometimes the English have a good food idea.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Bangers_and_mash_1.jpg/250px-Bangers_and_mash_1.jpg

You fucker . God . I am so hungry . I identify with the story of the 3 little pigs . Yeah comes from coming from a family with 3 children and being of German Heritage . I don't know why the German Heritage would even be related to the fairy tale except they eat pigs . I don't know ? Maybe it is because pigs are hairless a lot like humans and I think they sweat too . Did they say that in this thread ? Yeah a lot like humans in several ways . Maybe it was the building of houses . That might have contributed to the identifying notion . I tell you what freaked me was the 3 heads n a basket or bag in the "forbidden city" movie

Yeah Identify big time , Off with the heads . May 3rd too . Yeah discovered by one of Me fellow Missoula home boys . Can you believe that ?

I got to go forage in the kitchen. Find some pancake mix or something

Did Jesus eat pork? Does anyone know?
No he did not. He kept the Judaic law perfectly.

No he did not. He kept the Judaic law perfectly.

He picked corn on Saturday !! Work on the Sabbath. The 4th commandment Sorry to bust your bobble head

He picked corn on Saturday !! Work on the Sabbath. The 4th commandment Sorry to bust your bobble head
He did not break the Sabbath. It was lawful to perform works of mercy on the Sabbath. I have to say nice try to disregard that Jesus did not break the Judaic Law.

Either Jesus kept the law perfectly and was without sin, or either he did not keep the Law perfectly and was with sin.

Jesus did not sin at all. To imply that he broke the Law would be to imply that he would sin.

Here's the problem.

The OP wish to work from Sola Scriptura, which, is a heresy and is declared to be Anathema. Divine Revelation is NOT contained in Scripture alone. Divine Revelation is also found in Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Ahhh superstring01 said he is a muslim. Okay now I know where he is coming from.

Stay the hell out if you can't stand rationale debate. Because to me you just want people to spout their belief and turn this into a preaching session rather than an intellectual discussion supported by reasonable evidence.

Uhm... If you want reasonable evidence, you need to begin with reasonable evidence that the Quran and Bible weren't just dreamt up by ordinary humans like you and I in the first place. I don't think you want to talk about "reasonable evidence" in a religious discussion, the whole point of faith is to kick reason out the door and try to force the universe to be whatever you were taught to think it should be.

If you look at pork, modern science has shown that this other white meat will often contain parasites. So we need to be cooked fully. The prohibition around eating pork was not due to God wanting to be a prick, to show he was boss; atheist interpretation. Rather this law was created to protect the ancient people from themselves, based on the cause and effect observation of parasites=sickness= uncooked pork. Once the people were mature enough to understand cause and effect, there was little need for the dogma. After enough trial and error among the gentiles, eating pork was not as hazzardous, so why treat people like they are stupid?

The reason was, the men in charge, who enjoyed lording over others, sensed a lost of power and control, if you removed any laws. It would like taking a recycle law away from the polititians within a town, where all the people naturally recycle. They don't need the law anymore. The only people who may still need the law are those who can use it for leverage or whose jobs are based on this law; unions. Blessed is the poor was to benefit the common person over the power and prestige of the big whigs.

Back at the time of Christ, the people in charge were adding stupid laws and regulations, just about as fast as the liberals of today. That was an exageration, since modern liberals still hold the record. Often these laws were stupid stuff. The people in charge did not have to follow them since they were VIP's, but they could use the law of man to lord over the little people. They did not like the idea of someone preaching fewer laws and regulations. Jesus reduced the book of laws and regulations to 2 (love God and lover you neighbor), so there was a backlash from those in power to nip it in the bud.

Shell fish is also taboo in the old law. Have you ever heard of the red tide? Would a modern person eat shell fish that has sat in the sun for a day. If you were hungry and ancient there would be a temptation. If we prohibit this via God's law, we saved lives and teach will power.

But once people, like the Gentiles, learn the habits of eating shell food fresh it is time to get rid of the law for babies. But if people in power fear losing control, but are in the process of creating even more laws , they will resist loss of even obsolete law, since it might effect their prestige.

The liberals are far more Old Testament than they realize in terms of laws of man and lording over others. Since this is unconscious, it shows up as atheism. The Atheists pretent you they are opposite to religion, via denial, so others can't see the old testament similarity. Christianity was about trust in the goodness of the individual; he need no law except the a set we can write on a piece of paper. The old testament mentality would like the law set have volumes since it ment jobs, prestige, power and control. it also creates jobs for a shaddy bunch; lawyers.

No, it had nothing to do with parasites, it had to do with sustainability. It's possible to raise pigs in the middle east but they are water and food intensive, more so than goats who can eat anything. So there would have been a class system where the elites get to eat this high fat, high energy diet, while the poor would have less and less.

Wellwisher, you are driving me crazy with your stupid liberal talk. Liberals regulate in order to free people from the tyranny of elitist corporate power. No moneychangers in the temple? That's Jesus regulating against practically the same thing.

I think Jesus was far more radical than most like to admit. Maybe he never said he came to fulfill the law. Maybe that part was made up in order to tie in his myth with earlier tradition and recruit more Jews to the cause.

The don't eat pork or meat on Fridays laws are both MAN MADE. God is not that big of micro manager or we would be getting new (god decreed) laws daily.

You shalt not create computer viruses.
You shalt sip your stream if you share a soda.
You shalt let old people and pregnant lady's have your seat on the bus
ext....

He did not break the Sabbath. It was lawful to perform works of mercy on the Sabbath. I have to say nice try to disregard that Jesus did not break the Judaic Law.

Either Jesus kept the law perfectly and was without sin, or either he did not keep the Law perfectly and was with sin.

Jesus did not sin at all. To imply that he broke the Law would be to imply that he would sin.

Here's the problem.

The OP wish to work from Sola Scriptura, which, is a heresy and is declared to be Anathema. Divine Revelation is NOT contained in Scripture alone. Divine Revelation is also found in Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Ahhh superstring01 said he is a muslim. Okay now I know where he is coming from.

He picked corn and ate it . That was not an act of Mercy . Him healing the sick might have been , but picking corn and eating it was a violation of the 4th commandment >!!!! Jesus is sinner . He did more than that being the rebel he was . He also fucked up Judas's life big time . Gave Him a black eye that only Muslims can comprehend. Even Muslims can be smarter than the average dumb human . Not that you are or anything as I do like ypour usage of Magisterium

Why is this still going on.. The issue was resolved already.. You guys have too much time on your hand.

Peace be unto you ;)

Why is this still going on.. The issue was resolved already.. You guys have too much time on your hand.

Peace be unto you ;)

LOL, we sure do :D

He did not break the Sabbath. It was lawful to perform works of mercy on the Sabbath. I have to say nice try to disregard that Jesus did not break the Judaic Law.

Either Jesus kept the law perfectly and was without sin, or either he did not keep the Law perfectly and was with sin.

Jesus did not sin at all. To imply that he broke the Law would be to imply that he would sin.

Here's the problem.

The OP wish to work from Sola Scriptura, which, is a heresy and is declared to be Anathema. Divine Revelation is NOT contained in Scripture alone. Divine Revelation is also found in Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Ahhh superstring01 said he is a muslim. Okay now I know where he is coming from.

I am not a Muslim . If that what you mean . I am a theist though . I got the red phone in Me hand . It was a gift from a BlackFoot Man from Browning Montana . What a fucking gift I tell you . I still can't believe the horn of plenty that little red rock provides . Blood out of a rock . Is that even possible in your narrow mind . Moses touched a rock with his stick and got water . My rock bleeds blood . Blood from a rock . Can you believe that shit . You probably have no idea what I am talking about ? That is O.K. cause it is a lot more blissful to asstay ignorant of the crimes I commit. You would not want to be an accomplice would you . Help perpetrate. We can send you a form if you give Me your address if you want to help commit the crime of the millennium. I come like a thief

Why is this still going on.. The issue was resolved already.. You guys have too much time on your hand.

Peace be unto you ;)

Your not talking to Me . Whats up with that . Are you not from the Seed of Adam ? Do you not worship Melek ?

You would do good to confront your fear. I don't bite

Why should I answer to you or anyone else when the issue is resolved... I'm not interested in other nonsense.

Peace be unto you ;)

Why is this still going on.. The issue was resolved already.. You guys have too much time on your hand.

Many threads continue well beyond their original intent.

Once again, you sit in judgement of other people for what they do. Apparently you didn't "have too much time on your hands" to start and debate the thread, but the moment you checked-out, apparently all traffic needs to stop. What a self-centered pig.

~String

^lmao.... if the thread has been sufficiently answered everything else is just trolling IMO.. anyways I had to to 'ask' and I got an answer.. If other wish to continue wasting their time and troll.. go ahead.. ;)

Peace be unto you :)

Why should I answer to you or anyone else when the issue is resolved... I'm not interested in other nonsense.

Peace be unto you ;)

O.K. what ever . It is on your head . It is not nice to shut the door on mother Natures Son . I am truly sorry what is about to befall you . I have no control over it . Mother Nature Her self decides.

I wash my hands . I learn that from Pilate

Why was my post erased?

Whether Jesus ate pork or not has little to do with the Gospels. Arguing about it is like arguing whether he used hankerchiefs to blow his nose. We have to always keep in mind what the mosiac law was, what it meant to the average Jew, and how Jesus changed the law.

The central authority for the code of conduct for both priests and ordinary Jews in Jesus time was the Book of Leviticus, and it is in Leviticus 11 that we find the prohibition against eating pork. Much of the mosaic law as it applied to the average Jew was drawn form Leviticus and this "Holiness Code" was the rule for day-to-day Jewish life. The holiness code of Leviticus was so important that the Book of Levitucs was what was used to teach Jewish children how to read and write!

Jewish belief was that personal holiness as defined in the mosaic law was what would determine when the Messiah would come. If everyone was perfectly holy according to the mosiac law - adhered to the holiness code perfectly - then the coming of the Messiah would be hastened. But those who broke the mosiac law and as such were deemed to be unholy, were actually working to prevent the coming of the Messiah. And the mosaic law defined holiness as what you did relative to ourward appearances - food, clothing, washing, and most importantly, who you came in contact with. Holiness, according the holiness code of the mosaic law, was seperation from those who did not observe the mosaic law or fell short of observing some aspect of it. Holiness meant you had to be seperated from your fellow man, who had been judged to be a sinner.

But Jesus changed that in the sermon on the mount. In Matthew 5, Jesus uses a rabbinical teaching technique to replace the mosaic law with a new code of conduct, and in so doing, Jesus gives the Jews a new holiness code. The formula for this rabbinical teaching technique is "You have heard that it was said to your ancestors (of the mosaic law).... But I say to you (of my new law)."

"You have heard that it was said to your ancestors, "You shall not kill; and whoever kills will be liable to judgment." But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment..." (Matthew 5:21-22)

You have heard that it was said, "You shall not commit adultery." But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matthew 5:27-28)

It was also said, "Whoever divorces his wife must give her a bill of divorce. But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. (Matthew 5:31-32)

You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil. When someone strikes you on (your) right cheek, turn the other one to him as well. (Matthew 5:38-39)

You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, (Matthew 5:43-44)
Jesus redefines holiness from what you eat, when you work and who you seperate yourself from. Under Jesus' new law, holiness is defined as how you treat people.

And the king will say to them in reply, Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’ (Matthew 25:40)

For the average Jew listening to this, it was radical teaching. The Pharisees were the strictest Jewish sect, demanding absolute adherance to the mosaic law, like not eating pork. One has to give them credit as they thought it would hasten the coming of the Messiah and Jesus, being a devout Jew, probably would have obeyed that law. But Jesus knew that the Messiah had come, and that he was it. And the Messiah was instituting a new holiness code which did away with rules about eating pork and working on the sabbath and cutting your hair certain ways. Jesus new law defined holiness as how you treated other people.

You all can go on arguing whether Jesus ate pork or not, and can go on accusing each other of flirting with heresy, but it misses Jesus point entirely and probably places many of you in proximate danger of the sin of calumnity or detraction. The point of the Gospel for you and I today is not whether you eat pork or even whether you recieve communion on the tounge or in the hand. Jesus was instituting a radical redefinition of holiness which his followers were to use as their new holiness code - how you treat other people.

Yesterday's second reading at the mass.

Brothers and sisters:
Owe nothing to anyone, except to love one another;
for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery;
you shall not kill; you shall not steal; you shall not covet, "
and whatever other commandment there may be,
are summed up in this saying, namely,
"You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Love does no evil to the neighbor;
hence, love is the fulfillment of the law.(Romans 13:8-10)

Every commandment of the old law is summed up in the saying, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love is the fulfillment of the law. That's it. BAM! Right there in yesterday's reading. Forget about what Jesus ate.

For the record, I just cooked pork Apple-Stuffed Pork Roast for late lunch. :D

I am a christian and I dont eat pork.
1. If the Lord himself took the time to tell us not to eat unclean animals that,s good enough for me.
BUT on the scientific point of the business
Pigs are genetically similar to humans. We eve use their skin for burned victims. So if you eat an animal similar to you, you will absorb and incorporate their cholesterol and tryglicerid and proteins easier and faster, making you more unhealthy. Also pigs eats anything some of their food could be toxic and you are eating them so you are poisoning yourself. Now we have a lot of regulations in the State in how to raise pigs but even with that I would never touch them. The Lord my God said no...

SO if you sheep fell into a hole you wont touch it until Sunday? don't be ridiculous even the Lord give us exceptions The sabbath was made for the man and not viceversa....


He picked corn on Saturday !! Work on the Sabbath. The 4th commandment Sorry to bust your bobble head

I am a christian and I dont eat pork.
1. If the Lord himself took the time to tell us not to eat unclean animals that,s good enough for me.
BUT on the scientific point of the business
Pigs are genetically similar to humans. We eve use their skin for burned victims. So if you eat an animal similar to you, you will absorb and incorporate their cholesterol and tryglicerid and proteins easier and faster, making you more unhealthy. Also pigs eats anything some of their food could be toxic and you are eating them so you are poisoning yourself. Now we have a lot of regulations in the State in how to raise pigs but even with that I would never touch them. The Lord my God said no...

Ha! If you believe there are still unclean animals then you also must be making animal sacrifices, right? After all, he TOLD you to do that too!! And if you aren't, why did you CHOOSE to keep one commandment yet ignore another???

SO if you sheep fell into a hole you wont touch it until Sunday? don't be ridiculous even the Lord give us exceptions The sabbath was made for the man and not viceversa....

I suppose celebrating the sabbath on Sunday morning through Sunday evening versus Friday evening to Saturday evening is one of those exceptionis too. Except for one little detail, Jesus never authorized that exception. Nowhere in his teachings did he advocate changing the day of the sabbath. That was a change commanded by a pagan emperor. Coincidentally the day of the sabbath was moved to the day used to celebrate the Roman sun god, Sol Invictus.

There are laws and regulations designed for children, such as, thou shall not drive a car by yourself until you are 16.5 years of age. Children need these laws because too many children who would be a danger to themselves and to others. But after a certain age and level of maturity, it is time to void such laws of the childhood, and let them become an adult. There is a new code as an adult. Jesus was about the adulthood of humanity; the children of the promise were not meant to remain under the control of the laws of the ancient children (in adult bodies).

The children of the bondwomen, in contrast, were not ready to drive the car by themselves. This would lead to chaos and fear. They preferred that the laws of children perpetuate. To them, they would prefer rasie the driving age to 30. Behind this would be the person would like to perpetuate this; overly protective mothers (symbolic) who prefer their children remain her children instead of her adults. This is how she stays in control. With adults she needs to relinquish some control.

Big mother is still very important to liberals, which is why Christianity puts a bug in their soup. For example,big mother liberal would like to regulate salt; thou shall not eat salt. That laaw might be useful for semi-brain dead people who lack self control and who are out of touch with cause and effect; will power of children. But it is also designed to control even the moderate who are mature; smother them too. The law is damaging at that point, since it tries to regress the mature, so big mother has more leverage and control, since they are now children and not adults.

SO if you sheep fell into a hole you wont touch it until Sunday? don't be ridiculous even the Lord give us exceptions The sabbath was made for the man and not viceversa....

That is an act of Mercy . Picken Corn and eating it is greed . I guess that is what justifies your greedy life as a white man life Aye. You can't tell the difference between mercy and greed .

Jesus = sinner Get over it . O.K. if the bible is true and the word of God then Jesus is still a sinner cause God said " No one is free from sin " ( now here is the part I like the best ) NOT EVEN ONE . You would have Me believe Jesus was the exception and did not come in flesh as a Man ? He broke the 4th commandment and if he was the seed he was subject to the law . You can learn that in Hebrew . Course the whole seed concept is still a mystery to most of you Christians? In fact Genealogy means nill to most modern humans unless they need there medical history. Why do you think Genealogy is stressed so much in the Bible ?

Jesus is a sinner , Jesus is a sinner Jesus is a sinner . Sorry Christian your perfect little bobble head Jesus is what ? A sinner just like you

If a sheep feel in a hole on the Sabbath, the reason the law might say you need to leave it, is because some people will try to find loopholes. If I can pull my sheep out of holes, I can dig holes all the way from the barn to the field. I can get a days work done, leading them back and forth, as long as there are holes.

The bottom line is law, was not created for the honest man, but for the sinner. If the sinner is in a position of power, he will create laws to increase his power over people. Or he will create laws for personal gain. The honest man was caught in the cross fire of the sinners as they perverted the law.

For example, if you commit a crime, we might put you under house arrest. But say I could write a curfew law, that will essentially house arrest even honest people after 6pm. This one size fits all mentality goes too far ,since although it is pitches against the criminal the honest person will suffer the same fate.

It would be more optimized, to restrict the curfew to just those who need it. The honest person will be exempt. Liberal laws have that one size fits all mentality, that treates the honest like criminals. The one size fits all benefits those in power, similar to the time of Christ.

Christ said, you guys are hippocrates, imposing stupid one size fits all laws that you yourself ignore. They ignore it because it does not fit all sizes. Senator Kerry likes tax and spend, but hides his boat in another state to avoid taxes. This behavior was around at the time of Christ and he challenged it. History tends to repeat itself.

I am a christian and I dont eat pork. If the Lord himself took the time to tell us not to eat unclean animals that,s good enough for me.But that's because pigs are scavengers, unlike cattle and sheep who eat only plant tissue. Pigs clean up our garbage; that's almost surely what attracted them to our villages in the first place, like dogs.

In the Bronze Age, when the Torah was written, nomadic and/or pastoral tribes like the Jews and Arabs did not have rigorous cooking and sanitation procedures. Pork might have been undercooked, or they might have touched the raw meat with something they were going to use to eat it. Trichinosis is a common parasitic infection in scavengers; even today humans contract it by eating the meat of bears or raccoons that they cook over a fire during their hunting trips. But beyond trichinosis, those scavengers could have picked up just about any kind of disease from the carcasses they find and eat after they've been dead for two or three days.

This is why Bronze Age people had rules about pork; in that era it might have been dangerous.

But today, pigs are raised on engineered food and have zero chance of ingesting a trichina worm or any other pathogen. On top of that, meat animals are dosed with so many antibiotics that if your dog's food contains any meat, his stool will kill the nitrogen-fixing bacteria in your lawn and turn it brown.

Furthermore, everyone in the civilized world cooks pork to an even higher temperature than medium-cooked beef, which is way hotter than necessary to kill anything that could harm you.

In other words, choosing not to eat pork for any other reason than that you simply don't like the taste, or that you prefer pigs to be raised for pets rather than food, is ridiculous. Particularly since, if you don't eat pork, you're probably going to eat beef instead, and beef cattle farming is a major factor in the environmental degradation of our planet.
So if you eat an animal similar to you, you will absorb and incorporate their cholesterol and tryglicerid and proteins easier and faster, making you more unhealthy.I'll have to trust your own judgment about your knowledge of the Bible, since my family never had one in the house. But your knowledge of nutrition is a little weak and out of date, so you shouldn't go around giving others advice.
Also pigs eats anything some of their food could be toxic . . . .Where do you live, Zimbabwe??? Pigs in America and Europe are raised in warehouses and only eat food that was created by chemical engineers.
. . . . and you are eating them so you are poisoning yourself.Your grasp of reality is pretty tenuous. I hope you don't have a very responsible job. I wouldn't trust you to make any important decisions. The pork I buy at the supermarket is healthy enough to eat raw, if I ever felt like doing that.

If you worry about pathogens in cooked pork, the probability of that happening is so low that only a paranoid person would worry about it. There are so many other risks in life that are much more likely to happen. Bees and lightning, for example, each kill several dozen Americans every year. I'm curious as to how you protect yourself against such serious risks?

Auto accidents are one of the major causes of death in America. Do you avoid traveling by car?
Now we have a lot of regulations in the State in how to raise pigs but even with that I would never touch them.The same regulations apply to cattle and poultry. Therefore I assume that you don't eat them either?
The Lord my God said no...Let's see now. You claim to be a Christian, but you follow Jewish traditions. How do the other people in your church feel about this?

Let's see now. You claim to be a Christian, but you follow Jewish traditions. How do the other people in your church feel about this?

There's nothing in scripture that says religious beliefs have to be self-consistent.

I am a christian and I dont eat pork.
1. If the Lord himself took the time to tell us not to eat unclean animals that,s good enough for me.
BUT on the scientific point of the business
Pigs are genetically similar to humans. We eve use their skin for burned victims. So if you eat an animal similar to you, you will absorb and incorporate their cholesterol and tryglicerid and proteins easier and faster, making you more unhealthy. Also pigs eats anything some of their food could be toxic and you are eating them so you are poisoning yourself. Now we have a lot of regulations in the State in how to raise pigs but even with that I would never touch them. The Lord my God said no...

Are you Adventist ?

You all see the thing is Adventist are pretend Vegetarians . Similar to Mormons . Mormons = Times of Famine = Meat eaters . As we already learned . It is a little more obscure in the Adventist movement . They pretty much say don't eat Meat , but if there meat to be had , gobble it done quick before another Adventist questions you meat eating. Now some Adventist are strict Vegetarian. My Friend that runs a health spa somewhere around the entrance of Mount Rushmore now he is committed to a healthy diet of veggies . Yeah no meat crosses his lips . He is thin and active as can be. He still drives and has buried 3 or 4 wives . One He drove the body in the back of his pick up across State line . Got pulled over too . The cop was like W.T.F. you got a dead body in the back of you pick up for . That was back in 1968 or something like that . Very funny story . The thing is he is 98 now . Go visit Him if you ever go to Mount Rushmore . He is a very public guy with lots of funny stories of his day . He lived life and that is what counts to me . Tell Him one of the Greathouse"s told you about him . He likes Me . He wishes he would of been a builder . That is what he told Me . Great Guy . I love em even if I am a big Meat eater . If you have not lived in poverty don't judge Me .

Jesus was excused by the old law for eating corn in the end . Yeah from Proverbs we get the saying " Don't despise a thief if he steals food cause he is hungry. Well we all know Jesus was poor and we all know he was a thief ( I suspect he was stealing the corn on Saturday and got caught. Didn't think anyone would notice him and his accomplice getting a little lunch cause they was up partying all the day before when they were suppose to be getting there food prepped for the sabbath . See that is the thing . By the law you got to prepare your food Friday before the sun goes down . Enough to feed the family on the Sabbath, which is really a day for Woman to fuck off seeing how they have been slaves to world for so long . Look how perverted that has become . Shit don't even have a clue as to why we have days off in a work week . Big Big history most of you will never know . Even when you learn the history your dull hearts will keep the mystery from you . Not all of you . Some on this forum are extremely extremely sensitive to the dead and there writings . Formulate realities based on it cause you can see the patternizations in life is what I think . History repeating the same " I don't want to say mistake. I will say Experiment . Look at it close this time and see if you can write better than the old timers . Your interpretation

Ha! If you believe there are still unclean animals then you also must be making animal sacrifices, right? After all, he TOLD you to do that too!! And if you aren't, why did you CHOOSE to keep one commandment yet ignore another???


Oh come on now why should theists be prejudiced toward animals? Even if an animal is literally unclean from eating a lot of garbage that doesn't mean it has to be prohibited for eating. ;)

I am a christian and I dont eat pork.
1. If the Lord himself took the time to tell us not to eat unclean animals that,s good enough for me.
BUT on the scientific point of the business
Pigs are genetically similar to humans. We eve use their skin for burned victims. So if you eat an animal similar to you, you will absorb and incorporate their cholesterol and tryglicerid and proteins easier and faster, making you more unhealthy. Also pigs eats anything some of their food could be toxic and you are eating them so you are poisoning yourself. Now we have a lot of regulations in the State in how to raise pigs but even with that I would never touch them. The Lord my God said no...

The health problems with pork are mostly due to a modern sedentary lifestyle. In an earlier time, their high fat, high energy food is quite sustaining and good for you (as opposed to a lack of calories).

Pigs also need to wallow, and if they don't get water or mud, they wallow in their own waste, which I think people had a problem with. But there are also sociological implications of raising pigs. I think the prohibition is not unlike the prohibition in India on eating cows because cows are too important for labor.

Lol cows are prohibited to eat in India because cows are worshiped there not because they are too important for labor.

Cows are worshiped because of their importance in raising food crops. If you eat your cow, you will starve the next year. This kind of sociological edict often becomes part of a religious culture.

MUSLIMS! Please explain the slaying of Infidels...

Cows are worshiped because of their importance in raising food crops. If you eat your cow, you will starve the next year. This kind of sociological edict often becomes part of a religious culture.


Sorry, that's not actually what happens just because cows are important for labor is not the reason they are worshiped cows are also important as being on the menu so why aren't the cows turned into food and then worshiped. Can you provide evidence that other ancient civilizations that used the cow for labor chose to worship the cow?

The health problems with pork are mostly due to a modern sedentary lifestyle. In an earlier time, their high fat, high energy food is quite sustaining and good for you (as opposed to a lack of calories).That doesn't make any sense. Pork is a much more "healthy" meat than beef. Just compare the fats. Beef fat is highly saturated like coconut oil, it will stay thick and hard on a really hot day. Pork fat is not highly saturated and turns into goo at room temperature. This is why, at one time, an advertising campaign referred to pork as "the other white meat." If you want to eat healthy beef ain't it!
But there are also sociological implications of raising pigs. I think the prohibition is not unlike the prohibition in India on eating cows because cows are too important for labor.Not in the West, and not in the East. Europeans, North Americans, Latinos, Chinese, Vietnamese... we all happily eat pork.

It's only in the Middle East, the Land of Abraham, Jesus, Mohammed, Zarathustra, Baha'ullah, Buddha, etc., that there's any reluctance to eat pork.

Exactly, which is what I've been saying, it has to do with the prevailing conditions in the middle east.

Oh come on now why should theists be prejudiced toward animals? Even if an animal is literally unclean from eating a lot of garbage that doesn't mean it has to be prohibited for eating. ;)

Oh, come on yourself! Somehow you've managed to completely miss my point. I was calling him out on his highly obvious hypocrisy. :bugeye:

MUSLIMS! Please explain the slaying of Infidels...

Create your own thread... one-liners, and these type of comments doesn't make you smart- it just means you can't follow very simple forum rules.

That doesn't make any sense. Pork is a much more "healthy" meat than beef. Just compare the fats. Beef fat is highly saturated like coconut oil, it will stay thick and hard on a really hot day. Pork fat is not highly saturated and turns into goo at room temperature. This is why, at one time, an advertising campaign referred to pork as "the other white meat." If you want to eat healthy beef ain't it!Not in the West, and not in the East. Europeans, North Americans, Latinos, Chinese, Vietnamese... we all happily eat pork.

It's only in the Middle East, the Land of Abraham, Jesus, Mohammed, Zarathustra, Baha'ullah, Buddha, etc., that there's any reluctance to eat pork.

You think beef is unhealthy?
These are the real killers

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Back off. You don't know what you're dealing with

Explain to me how you justify you eating pork from the biblical texts without having Jesus break the law and cause a cascade of other problems which I just listed above.

All Christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible they believe (fortunately!) That's the rule rather than the exception, which when you look at books like Leviticus, is a very good thing.

All Christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible they believe (fortunately!) That's the rule rather than the exception, which when you look at books like Leviticus, is a very good thing.

This is necessary.

Create your own thread... one-liners, and these type of comments doesn't make you smart- it just means you can't follow very simple forum rules.

Good you are still managing your thread . I have big questions ? You are Muslim right ? What do you know about Muslim Paganism . Wrong terminology . I don't know how to say it with out sounding offensive . Islamic Mysticism . I want to know more about the 12th Imam coming out of a well and why they say his face is on the moon ? Do you know about any of this from you heritage ?


Captain you don't know how that is so true about those lambs . The one lamb , he done did the deed of all time . Billy goats gruff deed of a red headed step child

Good you are still managing your thread . I have big questions ? You are Muslim right ? What do you know about Muslim Paganism . Wrong terminology . I don't know how to say it with out sounding offensive . Islamic Mysticism . I want to know more about the 12th Imam coming out of a well and why they say his face is on the moon ? Do you know about any of this from you heritage ?

The stuff about the Imam is what Shia's believe primarily and we don't know if their sources are authentic or simply tradition. Anyways I'm not really interested in that topic or have much knowledge of it because frankly 'prophecies' don't matter in my life. I have better things to worry about then someone coming at the end of times, when I probably won't be around.

And stop trolling- this is not related to the topic whatsoever. I won't continue this here anyways.

Peace be unto you ;)

The stuff about the Imam is what Shia's believe primarily and we don't know if their sources are authentic or simply tradition. Anyways I'm not really interested in that topic or have much knowledge of it because frankly 'prophecies' don't matter in my life. I have better things to worry about then someone coming at the end of times, when I probably won't be around.

And stop trolling- this is not related to the topic whatsoever. I won't continue this here anyways.

Peace be unto you ;)

o.k. i will try . I heard Akmadinajad say the 12 Imam was forced out of hiding and is here already . Course it was interpreted from his language to English and could have very well been propaganda . O.K. Sorry We seem to be done with the pork anyway

Has anyone bothered to mention that Christians can take "do not call anything impure which God has made clean," which I'm almost (call it 80% or so) positive is in the book of the Acts of the Apostles, as literal confirmation that we can, in fact, eat anything? Especially considering the notion that it was said in reference to a vision which commanded Peter to eat of many different animals?

I'm sorry if someone has; I didn't actually bother to read through the whole thread. Too much sniping.

MUSLIMS! Please explain the slaying of Infidels...

CHRISTIANS! Please explain Anders Breivik.

Ha! If you believe there are still unclean animals then you also must be making animal sacrifices, right? After all, he TOLD you to do that too!! And if you aren't, why did you CHOOSE to keep one commandment yet ignore another???

Christian do not sacrifice anything. Because Christ is the ultimate sacrifice, he die for our sins so he was the ultimate sacrifice. Christian don't have to sacrifice any animals for their sins, like in the old testament.

Christian do not sacrifice anything. Because Christ is the ultimate sacrifice, he die for our sins so he was the ultimate sacrifice. Christian don't have to sacrifice any animals for their sins, like in the old testament.

Correct. And you are also clearly told in the New Testament (by Peter), "call nothing unclean that God has made."

So again, why do you continue to selectively pick out a law from the Old Testament to obey when all of it has been replaced by the New Testament???

CHRISTIANS! Please explain Anders Breivik.

For hundreds of years Christians interpreted Peter's vision as God's permission to kill and eat any animal, but this is wrong this vision was given to Peter to let him know that he and other Jewish-Christians were permitted to go to the Gentiles and to let them know about God. In Roman's God sent Christ to the Gentiles and the no Jewish people, no only to the Jewish people.

skin transplants, pig are similar to us in many respects, pig's skin is used for skin transplants on human beings often, , to make this skin less reactive they only have to change a gene and that gene is called galactose-alpha-1,3,galactotransferase on the pigs. Now for an animal so different (physically) to us. To change just a gene and his skin is going to make our Inmune system not to react against, that tells me the animal biochemically is similar to us. Now they are also genetically engineered for them to develop human's organs, and this is scary to do transplant onHumans, this is very scary, and another proof of their biochemical similarity with us, hopefully these pigs are not going to get mix with regular pigs and making cannibals out of us. Enjoy... Don't eat pork you are better off eating chicken.... I bet you The Good Lord knew that from the beginning and advised us to stay away from the animal.

i think pigs sweat too . one of the only other animals besides humans . I think they do anyway

i think pigs sweat too . one of the only other animals besides humans . I think they do anyway

Just the opposite. Pigs have no sweat glands - that's why the have to wallow in mud or stay under cover from the sun. ( I raised a number of them on my "hobby farm" tax dodge years ago.)

We all know that pork is unlawful in the Jewish law. Yet the Christians do eat it..


because God doens't care about little things like these. as long as you pray, go to church every sunday, you are saved.

I am sorry but the only thing you have to do to be save is to believe In Jesus Christ and he is the son of God and He is God that's all.

Christian do not sacrifice anything. Because Christ is the ultimate sacrifice, he die for our sins so he was the ultimate sacrifice. Christian don't have to sacrifice any animals for their sins, like in the old testament.

Do you have any understanding of these words?

because God doens't care about little things like these. as long as you pray, go to church every sunday, you are saved.

Sorry, no, dont mislead people into the pit.

I am sorry but the only thing you have to do to be save is to believe In Jesus Christ and he is the son of God and He is God that's all.

then i must ask. why do so many Christians go to church? i guess the church makes them feel "guilty" for not coming in some way? it's not like there are free drinks and pork ribs bbq. i went to church once. it was so boring :(

Bacon....

What the crap does this thread have to do with comparative Religion?