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apparrantly too difficult a dilemma?

I thought everyone here was in favour of the theory:

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few?

Oh well if you put as Spock would, there is only one answer. Why didn't you put it that way in the frirst place?


V,,

Not a very well thought out poll.

It wouldn't matter who you destroyed since the assumption, which you've not explained at all, is the fact the one is forced to destroy a group of people, for reasons yet unknown.

I would save the smart people. But isn’t 1B the same thing as 2B? And how am I destroying the people. It would have been better if you wrote a scenario where you had a choice of disarming one of two nuclear bombs that was about to destroy both populations.

Hey she has a point! What is the criteria to place more value on one life over another? A human life is a human life! Conclusion : there is no moral justification to calibrate a judgement of one mans life above 10.

Hey she has a point! What is the criteria to place more value on one life over another? A human life is a human life! Conclusion : there is no moral justification to calibrate a judgement of one mans life above 10.

I disagree with what you wrote. There is no one on this planet that I care more about than myself, but I do believe that some people’s lives are more valuable than mine. I think the life of a brilliant medical doctor or a mathematical genius is more important than my life because they have more to offer humanity. The smartest people in the world are the people that create the technology that makes life easier for all of us. I’m am sure that there are some members on this site that would not be alive today if it wasn’t for the work of brilliant research scientists and medical doctors. The lives of the smartest people in the world are definitely more valuable than the majority.

I would save the smart people. But isn’t 1B the same thing as 2B? And how am I destroying the people. It would have been better if you wrote a scenario where you had a choice of disarming one of two nuclear bombs that was about to destroy both populations.

no there is a difference, the devil is in the details, all be them brief, read them again.

I'll do some voting myself that may make the matter clearer or less so

Oh Poo! I forgot to make poll 2 selection!

Well my choice is 1b) and 2a)

I disagree with what you wrote. There is no one on this planet that I care more about than myself, but I do believe that some people’s lives are more valuable than mine. I think the life of a brilliant medical doctor or a mathematical genius is more important than my life because they have more to offer humanity. The smartest people in the world are the people that create the technology that makes life easier for all of us. I’m am sure that there are some members on this site that would not be alive today if it wasn’t for the work of brilliant research scientists and medical doctors. The lives of the smartest people in the world are definitely more valuable than the majority.
Hey I would like nothing better to value my brilliant life :) over 10 brainless, hopeless morons, but there's no way I could justifiy it morally. Im sure even Einstein(arguable the greatest mind that ever lived) would not place the value of his life above another no matter how insignificant.

I disagree with what you wrote. There is no one on this planet that I care more about than myself, but I do believe that some people’s lives are more valuable than mine. I think the life of a brilliant medical doctor or a mathematical genius is more important than my life because they have more to offer humanity. The smartest people in the world are the people that create the technology that makes life easier for all of us. I’m am sure that there are some members on this site that would not be alive today if it wasn’t for the work of brilliant research scientists and medical doctors. The lives of the smartest people in the world are definitely more valuable than the majority.


so re dilemma 2? your choice is 2b)?

Oh Poo! I forgot to make poll 2 selection!

Well my choice is 1b) and 2a)

You double crosser....why i altaaaa!!!! :mad:

You double crosser....why i altaaaa!!!! :mad:

why double crosser, there are good reasons for my chocies, you not realised yet why I save 2a over 2b but save 1b over 1a?

To be honest your dilemma proposals are nothing near as good as James's, but I don't like to see anyone fall. ;)

To be honest your dilemma proposals are nothing near as good as grommits, but I don't like to see anyone fall. ;)

:) The problem is despite the lack of details you are all missing important detail which is why I posed it like this, to see if you can 'consider' beyond what you THINK you are being asked to consider.

I shall re-edit and see if you 'see' it, it's less of a dilemma than you realise.

Ok I've re-edited dilemma 2 but my selection remains the unchanged.

My selection to save 1b and 2a is the only sensible thing to do.............common guys don't disappoint me.

;)
1b 2a

;)
1b 2a


but why? pm me if you know why?

Anyone here who can see why I chose the way I chose?

Best chance of long-term prevalence.

Best chance of long-term prevalence.

details?

Considering there is no such thing as IQ, we might as well destroy the high IQ island.

details?
Well we are taking it as read that a high quality yet numerically restricted gene pool will flurrish better than a low quality yet overwhelmingly larger pool with a massively increased diversity potential. Yeah?

Well we are taking it as read that a high quality yet numerically restricted gene pool will flurrish better than a low quality yet overwhelmingly larger pool with a massively increased diversity potential. Yeah?





Dilemma 1)

Two options:

1a) Country with 100,000 men
starving, no education, no skills, poor.

1b) Island with 10,000 men & women
wealth, education, skills, Doctors, physicists, teachers, builders

Dilemma 2)

Who do you destroy.......no choice to save both

2a) Country with 10,000 men and women, low IQ

[COLOR=Black]2b) Island with 100,000 men high IQ



does that fit in with my choices re saving 1b and 2a?

does that fit in with my choices re saving 1b and 2a?
:eek: You're saying it doesn't?

:eek: You're saying it doesn't?

my choices are thus:



1b) Island with 10,000 men & women
wealth, education, skills, Doctors, physicists, teachers, builders

and

2a) Country with 10,000 men and women, low IQ

The lack of ability for posters to make a clear decison (or any) on these alleged simplified dilemmas is interesting but not unexpected hence I posed them.

Asking someone to decide between killing based on numbers only is apparantly easy and people have been (in other threads) opting to kill the least amount. I have thrown in some basic details that apply to real life...skill/IQ etc to see if that effects people's decision re number. Apparantly so but uncomfortably so....hence no response.

I would save the smart people. But isn’t 1B the same thing as 2B? And how am I destroying the people. It would have been better if you wrote a scenario where you had a choice of disarming one of two nuclear bombs that was about to destroy both populations.

if it suits your conscience better see it that way, the choice is the same, someone dies.

I would be willing to sacrifice the lives of 100 people with low IQ’s to save the life of one genius. And I would be willing to sacrifice the lives of 10 people with average IQ’s to save the life of one genius. I think intelligence (logic and memory) is the most important trait that a human being can have, followed by other things like beauty and physical strength.

However, there are some geniuses that are more valuable than others. Some geniuses have good genetic traits that allow them to maintaining their normal cognitive functions when they are in a stressful environment. Some geniuses also exhibit behavior that can be associated with autism. Some geniuses are only good at specific things like math or art. The other group includes the people that seem to have advanced knowledge and skills in everything. (Math, physics, biology, chemistry, linguistics, history, art, Ect.) Some of the people in this group may not have the same talent in a specific subject as the people in the other group, but I think some of them are more valuable because of their ability to excel in any subject.

I would be willing to sacrifice the lives of 100 people with low IQ’s to save the life of one genius. And I would be willing to sacrifice the lives of 10 people with average IQ’s to save the life of one genius. I think intelligence (logic and memory) is the most important trait that a human being can have, followed by other things like beauty and physical strength.

However, there are some geniuses that are more valuable than others. Some geniuses have good genetic traits that allow them to maintaining their normal cognitive functions when they are in a stressful environment. Some geniuses also exhibit behavior that can be associated with autism. Some geniuses are only good at specific things like math or art. The other group includes the people that seem to have advanced knowledge and skills in everything. (Math, physics, biology, chemistry, linguistics, history, art, Ect.) Some of the people in this group may not have the same talent in a specific subject as the people in the other group, but I think some of them are more valuable because of their ability to excel in any subject.

Is number and IQ the only thing you are considering here? Are you missing another detail?

Two dilemma's:

These are isolated and cant be inhabited at any time by anyone else.

Who do you destroy.......no choice to save both

Dilemma 1)

Two options:

1a) Country with 100,000 men
starving, no education, no skills, poor.

1b) Island with 10,000 men & women
wealth, education, skills, Doctors, physicists, teachers, builders

Dilemma 2)

Who do you destroy.......no choice to save both

2a) Country with 10,000 men and women, low IQ

2b) Island with 100,000 men high IQ

edit:
Q is complaining about reasons for destroying one or the other, ok,
I am a mad scientist and I have 5 buttons and I'm trigger happy.
Disarming/stopping me is not an option
If you don't select an option then I will blow up the entire planet, so no option selected means you select option:

3) blow up planet everyone dies including you


The greater number of people; IQ is an inadequate measure of intelligence, and does not measure wisdom, charm or personality.

Is number and IQ the only thing you are considering here? Are you missing another detail?

What am I missing?

What am I missing?

ability to reproduce, to replicate?

ability to reproduce, to replicate?

What does that have to do with anything? Does the 110000 people in your poll represent the entire population on this planet? If it does, then I would probably change my decision. But in a overpopulated world with six billion people and growing, I think the deaths of 100000 people with low IQ’s would just create more valuable space for the rest of us.

What does that have to do with anything? Does the 110000 people in your poll represent the entire population on this planet? If it does, then I would probably change my decision. But in a overpopulated world with six billion people and growing, I think the deaths of 100000 people with low IQ’s would just create more valuable space for the rest of us.

these places are isolated and cannot be inhabited by anyone else

3) blow up planet everyone dies including you

Heavy is the head that wears the crown. I would give it to the majority vote. Otherwise, I would let everyone know that the world is coming to an end and that they need have one last look.

Heavy is the head that wears the crown. I would give it to the majority vote. Otherwise, I would let everyone know that the world is coming to an end and that they need have one last look.

you know when the titanic was sinking it wasn't such a hard choice

you know when the titanic was sinking it wasn't such a hard choice

<i>"Women and chidren first!"</i> You didn't offer that option.

<i>"Women and chidren first!"</i> You didn't offer that option.

read the options again

we have many ways for deciding who lives and who dies, titanic is real example of such a choice being made. It wasn't based on number and it wasn't based on IQ /skills

You got me :D Okay... Nonetheless, majority vote would be the correct answer even though it wasn't the correct answer. :bugeye:

You got me :D Okay... Nonetheless, majority vote would be the correct answer even though it wasn't the correct answer. :bugeye:

basically I have been naughty here, despite the shortness of the dilemma's I have actually asked posters to consider four things when making life/death choice, as in real life the number game isn't in actuality the deciding factor.

Imagine again, that in the 10,000 was your daughter/wife, would you still save the majority?

people in these situations make 'personal' not objective choices, based on an empathetic response not a reasoned one. Silent cues will lead them to their choice and thus there is no 'right' answer.

we have many ways for deciding who dies, titanic is real example of such a choice being made.

For those of you who still do not get it:



Two dilemma's:

These are isolated and cant be inhabited at any time by anyone else.

Who do you destroy.......no choice to save both

Dilemma 1)

Two options:

1a) Country with 100,000 men
starving, no education, no skills, poor.

1b) Island with 10,000 men & women
wealth, education, skills, Doctors, physicists, teachers, builders

Dilemma 2)

Who do you destroy.......no choice to save both

2a) Country with 10,000 men and women, low IQ

2b) Island with 100,000 men high IQ



things to consider:

do you favour majority over minority
do you favour women and men over men alone (reproduction issue..theya re isolated remember)
do you favour high IQ over low IQ
Do you favour skill/wealth over no skill/poverty

I believe the deciding vote (IMO) goes to the options which include the women, as these are isolated places, saving the men only has limited benefit whereas the men and women can reproduce and go to provide wealth/higher IQ's whatever you wish for. Also I am programmed to feel an emotional obligation towards women more so than men.

Meanwhile you guys, tsk tsk for not noting the detail ;)

I wrote it specifically to see if this point was overlooked, we are 'conditioned' to consider numbers, the skill thing threw people off and thus no comment, but the women thing never got picked up at all.

Has the old 'save the women and children first' died a death?

i can't vote cause you didn't include choice number 3

Has the old 'save the women and children first' died a death?
i am all for 'women and children first' especially on shipwrecks.
that way the sharks will be full when it's my turn to jump in.
heh, heh, heh

will someone scratch my balls.