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avanta
10-23-10, 10:28 PM
Entropy:A concept that is not Physical Quantity

shufeng-zhang China
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This paper demonstrate entropy is not a physical quantity.
We define heat engine efficiency η as: η= W/W1, that is, replacing Q1 in the original definition η=W/Q1 with W1, W still is the net work of the heat engine applied to the outside in one cycle, W1 is the work the heat engine applied to the outside in the cycle, then, we use Stirling cycle as the element reversible cycle , if ∮dQ/T =0 is tenable, we can prove ∮dW/T =0 and ∮dE/T =0.
If the formula ∮dQ/T=0, ∮dW/T=0 and ∮dE/T=0 can really define new system state variables, it comes to the absurd result of such a definition.
In fact, during the process of obtaining “entropy”, ∑[(ΔQ)/T)] become∫dQ/T is untenable, therefore, the formula ∮dQ/T=0, ∮dW/T=0 and ∮dE/T=0 are untenable.
The“entropy”defined by Boltzmann is used to interpret “entropy” by Clausius, so, it is at the same time denied.

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chaos1956
11-01-10, 10:58 PM
why would you say it is not a physical quantity then attempt to quantify it?

James Putnam
12-11-10, 04:58 PM
I thought this subject was wiped away completely. I notice that my message is missing. I think the possibility that thermodynamic entropy is not a physical quantity is analogous to saying that it is not a property of state. I said, in my missing message, that I thought this subject may be important. The calculation of thermodynamic entropy quantifies something about a process of energy being transferred between two ideal gases in different conditions of thermal equilibrium. I say 'something' because I see it as not yet having been formally explained. The definitions offered by Boltzmann and others after him seem to me to skip passed explaining the first definition offered by Clausius. I see those latter definitions as being related to but not the same thing.

James

James Putnam
12-11-10, 05:06 PM
Now I understand what happened. This subject was also introduced at a different forum site. So my message did not disappear here, it disappeared there. Anyway, my above message puts forward my opinion. I add that I do not think that considering the possibility that thermodynamic entropy may not be a physical quantity is psuedo-science. However, so be it here.

James