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whitewolf
09-09-04, 09:23 PM
How (when) did slavery end in Europe? How were the freed men treated afterwards? Was there segregation and prevention from voting, by what means, and for how long? How are they treated now? Is there an equivalent of US's affirmative action policy?

Undecided
09-09-04, 09:51 PM
How (when) did slavery end in Europe?

I know it was banned in the British Empire in 1812, obviously the US took until 1860's to get rid of it. Although I don't know the rest of the story per se.

whitewolf
09-09-04, 09:57 PM
I know Europe got over the issue much earlier than US. If I remember my prof right, he said UK did in early 1900s what US was doing in 1950-60s regarding the issue. But he doesn't know the details either.

Undecided
09-09-04, 09:59 PM
I think you should replace 19 with 1800's...

whitewolf
09-09-04, 10:08 PM
Meh, the prof was hazy on the topic. The amount of times he said "I don't know" within 2 minutes was funny.But he meant taking care of the civil rights, not the actual slave-freeing.

Ah, don't forget there's also France. What did France do about slaves?

Thersites
09-10-04, 10:08 AM
How (when) did slavery end in Europe?

I know it was banned in the British Empire in 1812, obviously the US took until 1860's to get rid of it. Although I don't know the rest of the story per se.Slave trade abolished 1807, slavery 1834, actually

parasite
09-26-04, 06:02 PM
Although it took until the 1800's for slavery to die in european colonies, slavery essentially ended in european countries as early as the 15 or 1600's - with the development of major cities. At the very least slavery was reduced to serfdom

whitewolf
09-26-04, 07:49 PM
My main concern was the history of treatment, in laws and tradition, of Europeans of African descent (for example, in comparison with American laws). Is it something that few people know? Or did it all go by so smoothly, without discrimination, segregation, and such?

Blue_UK
09-26-04, 07:59 PM
On a side note, what is wrong with slavery?

whitewolf
09-26-04, 08:57 PM
On a side note, nothing is wrong with slavery.

Now, back to the point. (Darn, is the question not clear enough?)

invert_nexus
09-26-04, 09:30 PM
On a side note, what is wrong with slavery?

Slaves are too damn expensive that's what. You sure as hell aren't going to buy a slave to mow your lawn.

Nowadays we use credit to cause people to enslave themselves.

Starthane Xyzth
09-29-04, 06:35 AM
At the very least slavery was reduced to serfdom

That's probably a change in little more than name. Russian serfs - right up until the 1860s - were bound, white European slaves. By law, their master could treat them anyway he liked, except permanently maiming or killing them. He decided who they married, where they lived, when they worked, and, indirectly, whether they had enough food to survive. In practice, maiming and killing were often accomplished.

Serfs did have some legal avenues for bettering their status, unlike true slaves.

Thersites
09-29-04, 10:43 AM
That's probably a change in little more than name. ...
Serfs did have some legal avenues for bettering their status, unlike true slaves.
Precisely. Serfs had rights as well as duties and could- sometimes- have them enforced. They were "tied" to the soil, but they also had rights to the land they farmed.
Slavery was less common in Nothern Europe, probably because there were more domesticated work animals. Changes in agriculture also made a difference- the Romans has enormous slave-operated farms and there was nothing like that in mediaeval and modern Europe, except in Spain before the discovery of aAmerica.

neoclassical
09-29-04, 11:06 AM
According to the UN, more people are now in slavery than ever before.

The new methods are economic slavery.

Original European slavery involved use of captives taken in war, who were then freed and sent back to their original lands.

When capitalism truly took over, and chattel slavery and debt slavery became apparent, most Europeans viewed them as abhorrent.

But it's hard to argue with the money, when it will cause us to "lose jobs."

I am an Integralist, and a believer in natural order, but I find chattel slavery and economic slavery repugnant because they are impractical and sadistic.

parasite
09-29-04, 01:57 PM
That's probably a change in little more than name. Russian serfs - right up until the 1860s - were bound, white European slaves. By law, their master could treat them anyway he liked, except permanently maiming or killing them. He decided who they married, where they lived, when they worked, and, indirectly, whether they had enough food to survive. In practice, maiming and killing were often accomplished.

Serfs did have some legal avenues for bettering their status, unlike true slaves.

this is all true, but i was thinking more of western europe, where serfdom had a very short life.
Russia has more slavic roots than western european, and serfdom there was much different than serfdom in England or France

neoclassical
09-29-04, 08:42 PM
Excepting the upper classes, no one in russia was "white" in the classic sense. They were hybrids.

Starthane Xyzth
09-30-04, 07:49 AM
As in part Caucasian, part Asiatic? All Russians I've seen look pretty Caucasian to me. (Then again, I've never actually been there...)

neoclassical
09-30-04, 09:08 AM
Yes, as in part Asiatic with possible Semitic or Turkish elements.

whitewolf
09-30-04, 10:58 AM
I've seen Russians that look absolutely Asian. A very surprizing phenomenon.

Keep in mind, there is no pure race; everybody is mixed.

Starthane Xyzth
10-03-04, 02:49 AM
Keep in mind, there is no pure race; everybody is mixed.

Of course - especially these days, with ever-increasing international travel and emmigration.

It is noteworthy that a belief in the significance and purity of race usually go hand-in-hand with an acceptance of slavery: like in the southern United states up until their civil war. If a person had ANY percentage of African blood, however small, he or she was deemed a natural inferior and fit for slavery. And, as we all know, the Nazis considered all non-Aryans slaves.

fuzzywuz
09-27-05, 09:43 AM
Pope John Paul II made some black woman a saint a few years ago (or beatified her, I am not sure) who had been a slave in Italy until the 1890's ! I think she remained unaware for a few years that slavery had been abolished, and her masters didn't tell her. So I think it ended in Italy around 1885.

honnnesty
09-07-10, 03:15 PM
Is there anybody that know the history about that Asian Buddhists stopped slavery in Europe and in north USA( 1600-1700), Canada(1600-1700). I heard buddhists from Tibet use some of their own gold to buy free all slaves in Europe, north USA, Canada and nearly everyvere. Buddhists dislike that people are treated bad as the African people and american native people was in thhe world from 1500-1800 when they was threaten to be slaves by groups of european jews and american jews. I heard that then buddhists from Asia sailed around and said to the european jews that they could not force other people to work as slaves and kill them if they did not want. I am a jew and I heard this history from kind and good jews. I heard that the Asian buddhists get robbed and killed by the american jews that had the slavery after nearly all slaves was free in north USA and Canada. And the buddhists had also been giving more gold and treasures to the native americans and to the africans that had been slaves than they had bought the slaves free for. Also the people that had been slaves get more gold from the buddihists that the white jewish slavekeepers had got to set the slaves free, and I heard that then the free slaves get robbed and killed to in north USA in 1700-1800 because they was richer than the jewish white. I heard that many hundred million buddhist people from asia and africans and american indians get robbed and killed by the american and british groups of jews that had the slavery. I can not find much about this history. Is it somebody that know more about this history??? Can somebody find more about this history??