If you thought blacks in American prisons are overrepresented, think again.

I am reading the Sunday paper on Saturday afternoon, just because I like to know about the future, and I ran into an article. Here are the numbers:

In France 60+% of the prisoners are Muslims, although their numbers in the population is only 12%.

In England it is 11% prisoners to 3% of inhabitans. In Netherland it is 20+% compared to the country's 5.5% Muslim population.

So it looks like MUslims are overrepresented in the Western European prison systems by 4-500%. The article discusses that the possible reasons for this disparity is being poor, not being able to integrate after immigrating from other countries. Muslim leaders blame the french government's policy of isolation...

If you thought blacks in American prisons are overrepresented, think again.

I am reading the Sunday paper on Saturday afternoon, just because I like to know about the future, and I ran into an article. Here are the numbers:

In France 60+% of the prisoners are Muslims, although their numbers in the population is only 12%.

In England it is 11% prisoners to 3% of inhabitans. In Netherland it is 20+% compared to the country's 5.5% Muslim population.

So it looks like MUslims are overrepresented in the Western European prison systems by 4-500%. The article discusses that the possible reasons for this disparity is being poor, not being able to integrate after immigrating from other countries. Muslim leaders blame the french government's policy of isolation...

Of course they would. And just what excuse do they try to use in England and the Netherlands????

(Point being that they will try to blame in on anyone but themselves.)

It's always whiteys fault. ALWAYS.

What I'd like to see is if this has been a big increase after 9/11, because that would point to this being more to do with anti-Islamic enforcement.

Although in some cases it may not. I've heard that in Sweden, for example, there are about a million Iraqi refugees who have fled war to Sweden and are completely unequipped to integrate, and naturally a lot of them have very little money, which inevitably corresponds to crime in any demographic when a non-criminal solution is lacking.

According to what I hear a lot of Swedes are quite pissed that they, and not the US, are the ones stuck with a refugee problem. Rightfully so IMO.

Well, I doubt about 1 million. There are only 9 millions Swedish people. Maybe 100K, but even that sounds a lot. The Swedish should blame their government first why they let all those refuges in.

And Europe should stop mixing that much. Nothing good will come out of it, as the OP shows....

Hilarious :D

Considering that they arrive poor, it's not unexpected. Poor people are more likely to become involved in illegal activities than rich people.

Poor people are more likely to become involved in illegal activities than rich people.

Correction: they're more likely to be punished for it. ;)

Summary: It's all the white man's fault.

Thread closed.

Considering that they arrive poor, it's not unexpected. Poor people are more likely to become involved in illegal activities than rich people.

Usually that is how immigrants do arrive. So your saying that most poor people are criminals?

The easy way to test spidergoat's theory would be to compare crime rate amongst Asian and European immigrants (eg. Polish) with that of immigrant Muslims.

Usually that is how immigrants do arrive. So your saying that most poor people are criminals?

Not necessarily. But when they are immigrants who do NOT intend to try to intergrate into the society into which they've arrived, the chances of them turning to crime are increased.

It all goes back to the business of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do." (And not what you did and were comfortable with wherever you came from!)

That's not the best way to say it. Rather, poor people are more likely to get arrested for crimes. There are cultural factors too. In their defense, petty crime is low in most Muslim countries.

That's not the best way to say it. Rather, poor people are more likely to get arrested for crimes.

Well you said more poor peoiple commit crime, NOW your saying they also get arrested for it.:confused: That is usually how it works.

The point is that unless you integrate and put an effort forth then there is a good chance you will stay poor or resorting to criminal behaviour. Even just a small level of integration helps.

I think we should implement Sharia Law for Muslims only, since that is what most of them appear to want. I don't think the Sharia code has provisions for habeas corpus or search warrants. We would need to hire swordsmen to wack off various offending body parts. But it should simplify and streamline the judicial process.

John99

the poor comit crimes of desperation rather than crimes of greed and yes they are more likly to be arested for crimes like shop lifting than an organised crime lord or white collor criminals are for there crimes.

They should just stop pretending that they are secular and build a Gitmo for their neo-fascist fantasies in every western country. Immigrants will be cheaper to torture than occupation anyway.

John99

the poor comit crimes of desperation rather than crimes of greed and yes they are more likly to be arested for crimes like shop lifting than an organised crime lord or white collor criminals are for there crimes.

Forget it Asguard. Youve just never been poor.:shrug:

Forget it Asguard. Youve just never been poor.:shrug:

I think you're missing his point, John. He's not saying ALL poor people commit crimes OR that more crimes are committed by poor people. I believe that what he means - and I agree with it - that when someone is so poor that they cannot feed and clothe themselves and their families, the will resort to petty crimes in order to do so.

I grew up very poor myself (that's the primary reason I worked so hard to overcome it and to make sure that my kids were better off) and wasn't tempted to crime but I can certainly see how someone in those conditions COULD be.

I think we should implement Sharia Law for Muslims only, since that is what most of them appear to want. I don't think the Sharia code has provisions for habeas corpus or search warrants. We would need to hire swordsmen to wack off various offending body parts. But it should simplify and streamline the judicial process.

You obviously know nothing about Islamic law or Shariah for that matter.

As for the thread, the rights of the Muslims of France (descendants of immigrants brought over from their colony in Algeria mostly) have many grievances. Most neighborhoods where Algerians live, work, and go to school are severely underfunded. Many of them face intense discrimination, one example, Muslim girls wearing headscarves are not allowed to go to public school. Many Algerians also are aware of past injustices against Algeria as in massacres and suppression of freedom, French influence is still there in the conflicts between the various Algerian factions.

To top this off, the recent riots began when two Muslim children fleeing from police ran into a electrical plant where they were shocked to death. This obviously boiled the already tense atmosphere with French and Algerians resulting in massive riots for greater rights and fair treatment. The French Pres. also referred to the protesters as 'human trash.'

It's almost a mirror of the race riots between blacks and whites in the 1960s and 1970s. Economics, discrimination , and history of injustice are major factors of both.

More than that read only. Yes if your that poor the temptation to steal to eat is oviously there. Hell with rising housing, petrol and food costs people are being driven to steal to feed there families. There was an artical on a current affair (i think) the other day about the rise in shop lifting recently.

However even those poor who CHOSE to comit crimes (unrelated to there povety) tend to comit crimes where the chance of being caught is higher. Futher more the ritch can afford better lawyers (though legal aid does have some of the best and hardest working lawyers in the country i must say but they are overloaded). An example of this is the arest rate for drug mules vs drug importers or low level drug dealers v the drug lords

Summary: It's all the white man's fault.

Thread closed.

Ah but it doesn't have to end there..

Ah but it doesn't have to end there..

You're quite right.

Now that we've acknowledged that the white MAN (and to a lesser degree, white females, who helped produce more white babies who would grow up to be white oppressors) is responsible for every bad thing on this planet (thank you for making me see the light, S.A.M, Tiassa, Bells and James R) it's time for a number of measures to rectify the situation.

First, anyone who is recognisably white at present, or at any time in the future (even two million years from now) should hang their head in shame, fall to their knees and beg for forgiveness from all non-white individuals. They should then allow unrestricted immigration, while freely giving away all of the valuables and property as 'restitution', and then bend over to be fucked in the ass by these non-whites while wearing a fake smile. After all, they deserve it, so they had better grin and bear it.
Tiassa once mentioned on this forum that his friend responded to the issue of racism and sexism against white males with the comment "Well, maybe now it's your turn!", and I agree. Original sin is the way to go. Some whites fucked up in the past, so now all whites at present and in the future must pay big time. White privilege, male privilege and all that jazz.

History should also be restructured, because as it stands, history as it is taught in Western countries focuses on Western history, not non-Western history. I mean, why would Poland teach its students Polish history, instead of teaching African history while emphasising how whites plundered Africa and made it a desolate wasteland? What a load of motherfucking fucking racist bullshit! :mad:

Every school in every Western country should teach students that white Western countries have always been the aggressors, have always looted and rape innocent non-whites, are inherently racist and bigoted, and long for the day when they can re-establish their colonial empire.

It is also important that society acknowledge that Islam is a religion of peace, whereas Christianity is a religion of war and strife and homosexual child molesting priests. The Crusades were simply another example of Christianity attempting to harass and bully poor innocent Muslims and molest their children. When Muslims act like fuckers in the countries they immigrate to, it's because whites are oppressing them at the moment, or oppressed them in the past, or will oppress them in the future.

Am I close to the solution, Challenger?

First, anyone who is recognisably white at present, or at any time in the future (even two million years from now) should hang their head in shame, fall to their knees and beg for forgiveness from all non-white individuals.

With all due respect, but fuck you Sir!

East European whites (except Russians) have nothing to do with the imperialistic bullshit what had been going on by the Western powers. So let's not equal and put all whites together.


History should also be restructured, because as it stands, history as it is taught in Western countries focuses on Western history, not non-Western history. I mean, why would Poland teach its students Polish history, instead of teaching African history

I see your point, but the example misses, because East Europeans countries are pretty good at teaching WORLD history, instead of just their countries' history.

Also you might want to check your geography education, because Poland ISN'T part of West Europe....


Western country should teach students that white Western countries have always been the aggressors,

We seem to agree here, and you just made my first point too.


It is also important that society acknowledge that Islam is a religion of peace,

OK, have to call bullshit on this. Isn't spreading Islam even by the sword is a religious tenet of the Muslims???

P.S.: Oh yeah, don't fucking ever tell me when to close MY thread! Deal?

It's called 'satire'.

To top this off, the recent riots began when two Muslim children fleeing from police ran into a electrical plant where they were shocked to death.

Teenagers, is how it's usually described.

I think you're missing his point, John. He's not saying ALL poor people commit crimes OR that more crimes are committed by poor people. I believe that what he means - and I agree with it - that when someone is so poor that they cannot feed and clothe themselves and their families, the will resort to petty crimes in order to do so.

I grew up very poor myself (that's the primary reason I worked so hard to overcome it and to make sure that my kids were better off) and wasn't tempted to crime but I can certainly see how someone in those conditions COULD be.

oh. Well just how many are stealing food to bring home to feed their children? many\most poor people are honest and ethical. So you were poor? Too bad you didnt resort to crime like you say that poor people do- of course you are better than that.

Would give you and Asguard a good opportunity to feel better about yourselves by feeling sorry for a criminal while your victims suffer. I think that the criminals make it much harder for honest poor people too. After all they are the ones bringing the drugs into their neighbourhoods, they are the ones robbing them and worse. But yeah, your right.:rolleyes:

John as i stated the rates of petty crime have gone through the roof latly even amongst the "middle class". To be honest im not really surprised, when 40,000 a year isnt anywhere near enough to pay all the bills for 2 how do families live on it? we are lucky, our rent isnt going through the roof like it is for everyone else but in the area i used to live in (a very poor area) rents have gone up from around $120 a week to $250-300 in less than a year. Couple that with petrol prices that have gone up 50% in a year and food prices that just keep rising and you push people to the wall.

I dont steal but yes i sympathise with those who do to eat or to have clothing.

Why dont you have six children know? Seems like the thing to do.

You're quite right.

Now that we've acknowledged that the white MAN (and to a lesser degree, white females, who helped produce more white babies who would grow up to be white oppressors) is responsible for every bad thing on this planet (thank you for making me see the light, S.A.M, Tiassa, Bells and James R) it's time for a number of measures to rectify the situation.

First, anyone who is recognisably white at present, or at any time in the future (even two million years from now) should hang their head in shame, fall to their knees and beg for forgiveness from all non-white individuals. They should then allow unrestricted immigration, while freely giving away all of the valuables and property as 'restitution', and then bend over to be fucked in the ass by these non-whites while wearing a fake smile. After all, they deserve it, so they had better grin and bear it.
Tiassa once mentioned on this forum that his friend responded to the issue of racism and sexism against white males with the comment "Well, maybe now it's your turn!", and I agree. Original sin is the way to go. Some whites fucked up in the past, so now all whites at present and in the future must pay big time. White privilege, male privilege and all that jazz.

History should also be restructured, because as it stands, history as it is taught in Western countries focuses on Western history, not non-Western history. I mean, why would Poland teach its students Polish history, instead of teaching African history while emphasising how whites plundered Africa and made it a desolate wasteland? What a load of motherfucking fucking racist bullshit! :mad:

Every school in every Western country should teach students that white Western countries have always been the aggressors, have always looted and rape innocent non-whites, are inherently racist and bigoted, and long for the day when they can re-establish their colonial empire.

It is also important that society acknowledge that Islam is a religion of peace, whereas Christianity is a religion of war and strife and homosexual child molesting priests. The Crusades were simply another example of Christianity attempting to harass and bully poor innocent Muslims and molest their children. When Muslims act like fuckers in the countries they immigrate to, it's because whites are oppressing them at the moment, or oppressed them in the past, or will oppress them in the future.

Am I close to the solution, Challenger?


I applaud your satire, hare, you put the point across finely.

One thing that is definitely not the solution is to elect bigots on either side, especially those like Pauline Hansen. Whites are responsible for a lot of the evils committed in history, but it's time to move on, As long as it's taught objectively in history classes, I don't really care what you lot did in the past. Just don't tell us to "forget about it". And we won't tell you to "forget about 9/11...or Osama (although you did create that problem). Blame whitey has a basis you know.

You believe that some things are irreconcilable, therefore we should not make an attempt to reconcile them, this just makes the whole situation dangerous.
And prevents Dialogue.

I can see that you're lashing out at the whole prevalance of blaming whitey. Unfortunately, this is where I agree with your satire, you did do horrible things, and will continue to do horrible things, so theres no escaping that.
But there definitely needs to be more acknowledgement of, dare I say it, "good whitey", and of the independence of the few of "you" that helped the non whites gain independence...so to speak...

I mean, A white dude invented rock, I'm not complaining.

I can see that you're lashing out at the whole prevalance of blaming whitey. Unfortunately, this is where I agree with your satire, you did do horrible things, and will continue to do horrible things, so theres no escaping that.
But there definitely needs to be more acknowledgement of, dare I say it, "good whitey", and of the independence of the few of "you" that helped the non whites gain independence...so to speak...

I thought you liked Australia. What color are you? Where are you from?

I thought you liked Australia. What color are you? Where are you from?

Purple, and from an island.

I do, But i have confidence that the white men in power, in both countries, will screw up something. That said, I also have confidence that a black man in power will screw up something too, but will at least look like less of a screw up.
Yes. It's because he's black.

Your purple?

Challenger:


I applaud your satire, hare, you put the point across finely.

One thing that is definitely not the solution is to elect bigots on either side, especially those like Pauline Hansen.


Pauline Hanson is no bigot. She simply has the cajones to say what needs to be said. She simply says what many Australians would like to say.



Whites are responsible for a lot of the evils committed in history,


As are blacks, arabs, muslims, jews, asians, etc etc. People have been fucking each other over for time immemorable, irrespective of skin colour, religion, or other such arbitrary grouping measures.



but it's time to move on, As long as it's taught objectively in history classes, I don't really care what you lot did in the past. Just don't tell us to "forget about it". And we won't tell you to "forget about 9/11...or Osama (although you did create that problem). Blame whitey has a basis you know.


Blame whitey has no basis whatsoever. Guilt by association is bullshit. I'm not accountable for the behaviour of some white asshole who lived centuries ago, simply because we both happen to have white skin.

What's fucking hilarious about this entire thing is that you've immigrated to a country which has Anglo-Saxon roots. How does it feel to be surrounded by an evil people?

Your purple?

From the future beatings white men are likely to give me in cronulla...

http://chromatism.net/current/images/cronullariot.jpg

I like the white guys in blue though.

It's always whiteys fault. ALWAYS.

and/or America's fault....

Yea, just look at Iraq, a radical muslim suicide bomber blows up 100 people, who do the leftists blame ? Not the muslim that did it...Noooooo... It's "America's fault." :rolleyes:

I like the white guys in blue though.

Oh, thats nice. Where are the purple people? They must be spectacular.:worship:

Cazzo:


Yea, just look at Iraq, a radical muslim suicide bomber blows up 100 people, who do the leftists blame ? Not the muslim that did it...Noooooo... It's America's fault.


Left wingers are the most racist pieces of shit in existence. They think that non-whites are sub-human animals who aren't responsible for their own bad behaviour.

Blame whitey has no basis whatsoever. Guilt by association is bullshit. I'm not accountable for the behaviour of some white asshole who lived centuries ago, simply because we both happen to have white skin.

What's fucking hilarious about this entire thing is that you've immigrated to a country which has Anglo-Saxon roots. How does it feel to be surrounded by an evil people?

The reason "whitey" is blamed for all ills is pretty simple :
The left-wing radicals love to victimize minorities for "crimes committed against them in the past by "right-wing" whities", then they move it forward in time to say that minority's problems now are a "direct effect of what right-wing whitey (males) have done to them in the past". Then, after they've broken them down and victimized them, they use Communism/Socialism as the cure for this problem, by promising them "equal rights" (which amounts to MORE rights) than whities have.

This is how Hitler brainwashed Germans to join his cause. He victimized them by blaming all their problems on the jews, then after victimizing them, he used Nazism as "the cure" to Germany's ills......

From the future beatings white men are likely to give me in cronulla...

http://chromatism.net/current/images/cronullariot.jpg

I like the white guys in blue though.

Perhaps if god damn Lebanese thugs didn't go around intimidating, bashing and raping law abiding Australians, then the fuckers wouldn't have gotten lynched.

What is most interesting to me is that westerners will look away from a Holocaust and arrive at a solution that the only solution is to send the Jews away from Europe; same for all the genocides they commit through history, when they wipe out millions for greed and avarice and still talk about how awful the minorities are. Geez

Challenger:


Pauline Hanson is no bigot. She simply has the cajones to say what needs to be said. She simply says what many Australians would like to say.


Right, as well as being an exploitive bitch, who latches on to discontent, and seeks to blame another race.. Guilt by association anyone? Just because a few immigrants come and steal your jobs, doesn't mean I'm going to take yours does it ?. Face it, You want the cheap labour and goods, but not the side effects ? You can't have your cake and eat it too. You want closer relations with China, but can't allow them in ? You want to be a global player and host the olympics, but won't allow foriegn labour.
I think I asked you before, What exactly is our national identity. Our country is changing. get with the times. You may not like it, but you can't do anything about it. Tough dude. We couldn't do anything about getting killed until we learnt how to make weapons and fight back using the system and the help of a few whites who weren't dumbasses.






As are blacks, arabs, muslims, jews, asians, etc etc. People have been fucking each other over for time immemorable, irrespective of skin colour, religion, or other such arbitrary grouping measures.


So what, humanity should just give up and go back to tribes ? Fuck a whole century of not killing each other, lets just go back to the good ol days..




Blame whitey has no basis whatsoever. Guilt by association is bullshit. I'm not accountable for the behaviour of some white asshole who lived centuries ago, simply because we both happen to have white skin.

What's fucking hilarious about this entire thing is that you've immigrated to a country which has Anglo-Saxon roots. How does it feel to be surrounded by an evil people?

It feels good to know that some of them aren't so evil, Plus, who says that i'm not evil myself ?.
Blame whitey is mostly due to the actions of the few in this century, granted, but who votes them in ? more whites. The immigrant population isn't as large as you think. Why do we say the west oppresses people of non white religion ?
Afghanistan, India, iran, Palestine, It's happened before and will still happen again.

S.A.M


What is most interesting to me is that westerners will look away from a Holocaust and arrive at a solution that the only solution is to send the Jews away from Europe; same for all the genocides they commit through history, when they wipe out millions for greed and avarice and still talk about how awful the minorities are. Geez

I agree. Why can't whitey be more like the Muslims and non-whites, and finish the fucking job?

Then, after they've broken them down and victimized them, they use Communism/Socialism as the cure for this problem, by promising them "equal rights" (which amounts to MORE rights) than whities have.

This is how Hitler brainwashed Germans to join his cause. He victimized them by blaming all their problems on the jews, then after victimizing them, he used Nazism as "the cure" to Germany's ills......

Excellent point. There are communist countries to go to but they always choose not to go to them. Wonder why and it is too bad too.

S.A.M


I agree. Why can't whitey be more like the Muslims and non-whites, and finish the fucking job?

Because they don't have the same aims?

The immigrants don't move with the intention of genocide, like the westerners did (some of the stuff done to Tasmanian natives, for instance, is blood curdling and beyond humanity, like stringing up a pregnant woman tearing open her stomach and dashing her fetus to the ground. Crap!).

But to talk of minorities raping and stealing is such a joke. I mean, such a fucking joke.

Perhaps if god damn Lebanese thugs didn't go around intimidating, bashing and raping law abiding Australians, then the fuckers wouldn't have gotten lynched.

Yeah, and if the goddamn bogans didn't have to be so damn insecure, and had a little more tact, they'd be able to deal with the damn thugs and be on their way.

just because a couple of lebs bashed someone else, doesn't mean muslims, and innocent fellas like me have to get bashed in the Shire.

just because a couple of lebs bashed someone else, doesn't mean muslims, and innocent fellas like me have to get bashed in the Shire.

Maybe the bashers just think like you do. Seriously what color are you? Your probably closer to "whitey" color. But racism is not the answer, you cannot go through life jusdging people by the color of their skin when those closest to us hurt us the most.

Keep him guessing Challenger.

Because they don't have the same aims?


Yeah, non-whites just want to exterminate all life, where-as whites are a little more gentle-hearted.



The immigrants don't move with the intention of genocide, like the westerners did (some of the stuff done to Tasmanian natives, for instance, is blood curdling and beyond humanity, like stringing up a pregnant woman tearing open her stomach and dashing her fetus to the ground. Crap!).


Yeah yeah, more revisionist hyperbole history from the resident Western-hating Islamic tardo.



But to talk of minorities raping and stealing is such a joke. I mean, such a fucking joke.

You're right. It's ridiculous that white people tolerate that shit. But as I said earlier, we're just too gentle hearted. In a sane world, there's no way in hell you would have been allowed to study/work in a Western country.

Keep him guessing Challenger.

What are you talking about?

Yeah, and if the goddamn bogans didn't have to be so damn insecure, and had a little more tact, they'd be able to deal with the damn thugs and be on their way.

just because a couple of lebs bashed someone else, doesn't mean muslims, and innocent fellas like me have to get bashed in the Shire.

A couple of Lebs?

More like, gangs of violent Lebanese immigrants canvasing the area, forcing decent law abiding Australians to keep their eyes glued to the ground in fear.

Maybe the bashers just think like you do. Seriously what color are you? Your probably closer to "whitey" color. But racism is not the answer, you cannot go through life jusdging people by the color of their skin when those closest to us hurt us the most.

I'm not racist, I don't judge people on their colour, before i meet them, I've identified perceptions which may seem like i'm being racist.
I didn't say racism was the answer, the answer lies in being able to adapt to change. The whole outpouring of nationalism, and racism in Australia, is nothing more than the country adapting to it's changing (or lack of) national identity.

In case you didn't figure out already john, I'm a colour that a large percentage of the worlds population are. And that is not yellow.

What are you talking about?

Who the fuck knows? These left wingers are fucked in the head.

I'm not racist, I don't judge people on their colour, before i meet them, I've identified perceptions which may seem like i'm being racist.
I didn't say racism was the answer, the answer lies in being able to adapt to change. The whole outpouring of nationalism, and racism in Australia, is nothing more than the country adapting to it's changing (or lack of) national identity.

In case you didn't figure out already john, I'm a colour that a large percentage of the worlds population are. And that is not yellow.

You have a problem with white Australians?

Then why the fuck did you move to an Anglo-Saxon country? Why not stay in your home country? :shrug:

A couple of Lebs?

More like, gangs of violent Lebanese immigrants canvasing the area, forcing decent law abiding Australians to keep their eyes glued to the ground in fear.

Right. Ok. Lebanese people are intimidating, I get that. But what happens when you stretch the definition and include muslims ? I'm sure you probably will at some point in the future, but what if some muslims are really nice ? Is it just possible that others could be just as nice too ?. Guilt by association anyone ?.

People stick to their own, doesn't mean we shouldn't reach out to others once in a while. The reasons for lebanese aggression and bogan aggression range from Alcohol to societal alienation, (ON BOTH SIDES).

What are you talking about?

It wasn't exactly code guys.
Not real bright here Leppo.

Tell us more about Pauline Hanson talking for you.
Make it good ( I guess it doesn't really matter, anything you say on this point will confirm you as a royal arse).

You have a problem with white Australians?

Then why the fuck did you move to an Anglo-Saxon country? Why not stay in your home country? :shrug:

I don't have a problem with most of the white Australians i meet. I probably should have said "Most of them are not that evil". It's usually the language barrier that most are afraid of.

Home countries can also be bigoted, and stupid.

Challenger:



Home countries can also be bigoted, and stupid.


I thought only white people were bigoted and stupid...

Challenger:


I thought only white people were bigoted and stupid...

You seriously didn't think you owned all the bigots and stupid people in the world did you ?
Are you really that concieted ? I can see why everyone wants to blame you then :D

You have a problem with white native Australians?

Then why the fuck did you move to an Anglo-Saxon Aboriginal country? Why not stay in your home country? :shrug:

Fixed.

It wasn't exactly code guys.
Not real bright here Leppo.

Tell us more about Pauline Hanson talking for you.
Make it good ( I guess it doesn't really matter, anything you say on this point will confirm you as a royal arse).

I dont know who she is. What is your problem anyway?

Given India back to the Adivasis yet, S.A.M? Or are you still dispossessing them and building dams and other shit on their land?

Given India back to the Adivasis yet, S.A.M? Or are you still dispossessing them and building dams and other shit on their land?

I don't have a problem with the Adivasis. :shrug:

Now you however obviously have a problem with anyone who isn't white enough for you. So you should not be living on any land that has any natives who are non-white.

S.A.M:


I don't have a problem with the Adivasis.


So you're going to fuck off out of India and give them back their land, you big nosed bitch? Because apparently they have a problem with your invading brethen being there.

S.A.M:


So you're going to fuck off out of India and give them back their land, you big nosed bitch?

Since I am a native Indian, I am not trespassing on any land. But when are you moving to a native "white" land?

Great, now we go back into the past and ask for extreme measures. See, let's throw away a century of not killing each other, and go back to killing each other.

So much for progress...

I don't have a problem with the Adivasis. :shrug:

Now you however obviously have a problem with anyone who isn't white enough for you. So you should not be living on any land that has any natives who are non-white.

SAM, it seems more like you and, for some reason, challenger have a problem with anyone white.

And for referance, SPud is whiter than me.

S.A.M:


Since I am a native Indian, I am not trespassing on any land. But when are you moving to a native "white" land?


You're an Adivasi?

S.A.M:


You're an Adivasi?

Yup, at least one eighth. A native Ghanchi, no less. :D

S.A.M:


Yup, at least one eighth. A native Ghanchi, no less


One eighth? So you're 7/8's invader? Fuck off out of India, bitch.

And for referance, SPud is whiter than me.

Hi Chocky.

Since I am a native Indian, I am not trespassing on any land. But when are you moving to a native "white" land?

So anyone non-white is a native and whites are all trespassers? Do you want to eliminate all white people?

That's her wet dream, John.

S.A.M:


One eighth? So you're 7/8's invader? Fuck off out of India, bitch.

Nope, I am 7/8th other parts of India,its a big country; but since we are all assimilated, there are no issues here.

When are you moving to a native "white" country, since you do have issues?

When? When? When? When? When? When? When? When? When? When? When? When?

SAM, it seems more like you and, for some reason, challenger have a problem with anyone white.

And for referance, SPud is whiter than me.

For the last time I don't have a problem with anyone that is white.
Seriously.
I just think that saying that there is no basis to blame whitey is false. There is still a reason to blame whitey, and it's not going away. Rich white men have been fucking the rest of us over for ages. Nothing new.

If I had a problem with whites, would I not be championing the beauty of non whites and their innocence ? No, there are bigots on both sides.

A lot of this is due to language. People are frightened by the unknown. rest of that is just BS. I have no problems with whites,and often they don't with me, simply because I speak with a damn Aussie Accent. Happy ?

Hi Chocky.

Excuse me?

So anyone non-white is a native and whites are all trespassers? Do you want to eliminate all white people?

Only the ones who are living on nonwhite native land and have immigrant issues. I don't want to eliminate them, just tell them that there are native white countries available to them.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_tOTl_FDvZlc/RnNwixLQPxI/AAAAAAAAASI/62oiom2PQKk/s400/Immigration.jpg

Excuse me?

Don't hurt yourself trying John, this is simple discourse.

Back to the hate speech, Hairy goat is trying hard not to fall off his mountain.

Rich white men have been fucking the rest of us over for ages. Nothing new.

If I had a problem with whites, would I not be championing the beauty of non whites and their innocence ? No, there are bigots on both sides.


Ha ha ha ha. And what have rich non-whites done for you? There are plenty of them....PLENTY.

I think you are a racist, and that is just going by what you post here.

S.A.M:


Nope, I am 7/8th other parts of India,its a big country; but since we are all assimilated, there are no issues here.


So you're 7/8th parts invader.

Going to give the land back to the Adivasis, old girl? Been protesting for the rights of the dispossessed Adivasis that your ancestors fucked over? I mean, you're an affluent rich bitch (not rich enough to afford a nose job, go figure) who gets to spend lots of time whining and spamming sciforums while other Indians starve to death in shitholes in Calcutta. Why don't you give a little bit of your wealth to them? It might make up for you and your Islamic ancestors exploiting them and shit.

Ha ha ha ha. And what have rich non-whites done for you? There are plenty of them....PLENTY.

I think you are a racist, and that is just going by what you post here.

They haven't done anything to me or for me. They're more like me than some of my very own race in fact.

I just resent the fact that people think that this game of blame whitey has no basis. Quite frankly, you're the first one to point that out here..without quotes.

S.A.M:


So you're 7/8th parts invader.

Going to give the land back to the Adivasis, old girl? Been protesting for the rights of the dispossessed Adivasis that your ancestors fucked over? I mean, you're an affluent rich bitch (not rich enough to afford a nose job, go figure) who gets to spend lots of time whining and spamming sciforums while other Indians starve to death in shitholes in Calcutta. Why don't you give a little bit of your wealth to them? It might make up for you and your Islamic ancestors exploiting them and shit.

Not just Islamic ancestors buddy, in fact, Buddhist and Hindu ancestors. Confusing religion with ethnicity?

So when are you moving?

S.A.M:


but since we are all assimilated,


Oh, you assimilated.

So you follow the traditions and laws of the Adivasis?

S.A.M:


Not just Islamic ancestors buddy


So you had Islamic ancestors?

And Islam was a religion native to India? I mean, obviously the Adivasis followed Islam prior to the arrival of invading Muslims. Oh wait...

I don't want to eliminate them, just tell them that there are native white countries available to them.



Where would you like for whitey to go? How about the immigrants coming into whitey countries. Do we tell them the same thing???? guess not.

They haven't done anything to me or for me. They're more like me than some of my very own race in fact.



ah, so it is just their color you dont like. No, its probably a little more than that. Just a little more though.;)

S.A.M:


So you had Islamic ancestors?

And Islam was a religion native to India? I mean, obviously the Adivasis followed Islam prior to the arrival of invading Muslims. Oh wait...

Absolutely, the second oldest mosque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juma_Masjid,_Palayam) in the world is in India. We had Islam from the very beginning, 1400 years ago.

So when are you moving?

Quiet John. I like how S.A.M admits that Muslim immigrants are actually invading Western countries.

S.A.M:


We had Islam from the very beginning, 1400 years ago.


The Adivasis invented Islam? Impressive! I always thought Mohammed and his followers introduced it via invasion. Guess I was wrong.

ah, so it is just their color you dont like.

Of course, No body complains as much about sunburns and their bias towards purple people.

Quiet John. I like how S.A.M admits that Muslim immigrants are actually invading Western countries.

Nope they are not. They are moving as westerners have done when they needed to, into the Americas, Australias, Canada and New Zealand.

Except of course, some of them are moving because of occupation in their lands by westerners, like the Afghanis (5 million) and Iraqis (2 million).

Not invading.


S.A.M:


The Adivasis invented Islam? Impressive! I always thought that fucker Mohammed and his followers introduced it via invasion. Guess I was wrong.

Plenty of Adivasis are Muslims. Religion has nothing to do with ethnicity. I'm guessing you're moving soon then?

S.A.M:


Nope they are not.


Then why compare them to Westerners, who entered 'countries' such as the Americas as 'invaders', dipshit?

S.A.M:


Plenty of Adivasis are Muslims.


Because of Islamic conquest and forced conversions?

Tell me, does your government attempt to educate the Adivasis on the cultural heritage they possessed prior to get invaded and fucked over?

S.A.M:


Then why compare them to Westerners, who entered 'countries' such as the Americas as 'invaders', dipshit?

Exactly.

So you admit that your analogy is fucked?

I'll leave you to figure it out, since your forebrain is so massive you scrape your knuckles while walking.

As opposed to my nose scraping the ground?

Which shade color is best SAM?

You obviously know nothing about Islamic law or Shariah for that matter.

As for the thread, the rights of the Muslims of France (descendants of immigrants brought over from their colony in Algeria mostly) have many grievances. Most neighborhoods where Algerians live, work, and go to school are severely underfunded. Many of them face intense discrimination, one example, Muslim girls wearing headscarves are not allowed to go to public school. Many Algerians also are aware of past injustices against Algeria as in massacres and suppression of freedom, French influence is still there in the conflicts between the various Algerian factions.

To top this off, the recent riots began when two Muslim children fleeing from police ran into a electrical plant where they were shocked to death. This obviously boiled the already tense atmosphere with French and Algerians resulting in massive riots for greater rights and fair treatment. The French Pres. also referred to the protesters as 'human trash.'

It's almost a mirror of the race riots between blacks and whites in the 1960s and 1970s. Economics, discrimination , and history of injustice are major factors of both.


Then show me the error of my ways Diamond. Does Sharia law have provisions for hebeas corpus? Does Sharia law not require lopping off of various offending body parts?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html

Then show me the error of my ways Diamond. Does Sharia law have provisions for hebeas corpus? Does Sharia law not require lopping off of various offending body parts?

Do these people need Sharia law?


A study released Tuesday reported that between 1998 and 2007, the police arrested 374,900 people whose most serious crime was the lowest-level misdemeanor marijuana offense.

That is more than eight times the number of arrests on those same charges between 1988 and 1997, when 45,300 people were picked up for having a small amount of pot.


Nearly everyone involved in this wave of marijuana arrests is male: 90 percent were men, although national studies show that men and women use pot in roughly equal rates.

And 83 percent of those charged in these cases were black or Latino, according to the study. Blacks accounted for 52 percent of the arrests, twice their share of the city’s population. Whites, who are about 35 percent of the population, were only 15 percent of those charged — even though federal surveys show that whites are more likely than blacks or Latinos to use pot.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/nyregion/30about.html?_r=1&oref=login

Do they still have all their fingers?

Do these people need Sharia law?


A study released Tuesday reported that between 1998 and 2007, the police arrested 374,900 people whose most serious crime was the lowest-level misdemeanor marijuana offense.

That is more than eight times the number of arrests on those same charges between 1988 and 1997, when 45,300 people were picked up for having a small amount of pot.


Nearly everyone involved in this wave of marijuana arrests is male: 90 percent were men, although national studies show that men and women use pot in roughly equal rates.

And 83 percent of those charged in these cases were black or Latino, according to the study. Blacks accounted for 52 percent of the arrests, twice their share of the city’s population. Whites, who are about 35 percent of the population, were only 15 percent of those charged — even though federal surveys show that whites are more likely than blacks or Latinos to use pot.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/nyregion/30about.html?_r=1&oref=login


SAM i was not advocating Sharia law for everyone, just for the Islamists.

*Respons to SAMS race baiting.

That is because when you go to black and latino neighbourhoods they smoke blunts right out in the open. Its like the national past time. Many of the cops are black and latino anyway.

Just like it says 90% were men BECAUSE women dont sit there and smoke weed on the street.

Who knows?

Savaged by dogs, Electrocuted With Cattle Prods, Burned By Toxic Chemicals, Does such barbaric abuse inside U.S. jails explain the horrors that were committed in Iraq?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8451.htm

We don't do body counts.

SAM i was not advocating Sharia law for everyone, just for the Islamists.

And whats your recommendation for these people? Cos many of these are not even immigrants


*Respons to SAMS race baiting.

That is because when you go to black and latino neighbourhoods they smoke blunts right out in the open. Its like the national past time. Many of the cops are black and latino anyway.

Just like it says 90% were men BECAUSE women dont sit there and smoke weed on the street.

The important difference John, is in the rate of indictment.

informationshithouse is a good site?

And whats your recommendation for these people? Cos many of these are not even immigrants



The important difference John, is in the rate of indictment.

What indictment? You get a fine. Like a parking ticket. The people making this bullshit up never spent a day on those streets.

And whats your recommendation for these people? Cos many of these are not even immigrants

The important difference John, is in the rate of indictment.

I am saying that we should have a two tiered justice system. Since followers of Islam want Sharia Law we should establish a Sharia legal system for them. It would certianly be more efficient than our legal system. Just take the Sharia system of Saudia Arabia and implement it globally for followers of Islam. So when Islamists are detained as they are in Guantamo for long periods, it would be perfectly legal.

I am saying that we should have a two tiered justice system. Since followers of Islam want Sharia Law we should establish a Sharia legal system for them. It would certianly be more efficient than our legal system. Just take the Sharia system of Saudia Arabia and implement it globally for followers of Islam. So when Islamists are detained as they are in Guantamo for long periods, it would be perfectly legal.

You should perhaps look up the Islamic law statutes before spouting ignorantly about them.

So lets see

Muslims are overrepresented in European prisons
Blacks and Latinos are overrepresented in American prisons

Whats the figures for first nation in Canada, aboriginals in Australia and Maoris in New Zealand?

Are minorities over represented in all Western prisons?

You should perhaps look up the Islamic law statutes before spouting ignorantly about them.

So lets see

Muslims are overrepresented in European prisons
Blacks and Latinos are overrepresented in American prisons

Whats the figures for first nation in Canada, aboriginals in Australia and Maoris in New Zealand?

Are minorities over represented in all Western prisons?

Here you go SAM: http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html

What is wrong with Sharia law for Muslims?

Are minorities over represented in all Western prisons?

First there needs to be minorities present.;)

Here you go SAM: http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html

What is wrong with Sharia law for Muslims?

American Thinker is an oxymoron.


First there needs to be minorities present.;)

That explains the genocide to ensure the majorities become the minorities.

Is that what you mean?

Sort of like 'Peaceful Muslim'?

To the point SAM, what is wrong with Sharia law for followers of Islam?

You should perhaps look up the Islamic law statutes before spouting ignorantly about them.

So lets see

Muslims are overrepresented in European prisons
Blacks and Latinos are overrepresented in American prisons

Whats the figures for first nation in Canada, aboriginals in Australia and Maoris in New Zealand?

Are minorities over represented in all Western prisons?

Asians have been a minority in America and Europe for over a century, why aren't they "overrepresented" in prisons ?

That explains the genocide to ensure the majorities become the minorities.

Is that what you mean?

You mean whitey commits genocide? Is that why all the minorities go to western countries? Makes sense.

Asians have been a minority in America and Europe for over a century, why aren't they "overrepresented" in prisons ?

Why do you think?

Why do you think?

I asked you first :
Asians have been a minority in America and Europe for over a century, why aren't they "overrepresented" in prisons ?

Awaiting an answer..................

I asked you first :
Asians have been a minority in America and Europe for over a century, why aren't they "overrepresented" in prisons ?

Awaiting an answer..................

I think most Asians do not believe in equality the same way that ME Muslims do. They are used to a more stratified society and are willing to tolerate colonial attitudes more easily, having, at various times, being occupied by white men. Muslims, blacks and Latinos especially second generation do not have the same experience of occupation and plus Islam teaches equality under God (just as high school in secular society does), so they are more resistant to being treated as inferiors.

I think most Asians do not believe in equality the same way that ME Muslims do. Islam teaches equality under God (just as high school in secular society does), so they are more resistant to being treated as inferiors.

The propaganda machine is running at full steam today.

I think most Asians do not believe in equality the same way that ME Muslims do. They are used to a more stratified society and are willing to tolerate colonial attitudes more easily, having, at various times, being occupied by white men. Muslims, blacks and Latinos especially second generation do not have the same experience of occupation and plus Islam teaches equality under God (just as high school in secular society does), so they are more resistant to being treated as inferiors.

That's assuming they are treated as inferiors these days. I think most people admire asians for their discipline and hard working ethics, plus their excellence in schools. For the most part. As a result, they get better jobs and a good living standard.
I'm not asian btw ;)

That's assuming they are treated as inferiors these days. I think most people admire asians for their discipline and hard working ethics, plus their excellence in schools. For the most part. As a result, they get better jobs and a good living standard.
I'm not asian btw ;)

I am. I know how they are treated. ;)

You obviously know nothing about Islamic law or Shariah for that matter.


You should perhaps look up the Islamic law statutes before spouting ignorantly about them.

Sharia Law is there for all to see. Clearly, these type of comments are only used when Muslims have no argument or have the intention to promote their propaganda.

Asians are treated as inferiors, which is why they have a tendency to rise to the top of the food chain. Does the bullshit every stop with you, S.A.M?

Asians are treated as inferiors, which is why they have a tendency to rise to the top of the food chain.

Maybe we should treat whitey as inferior, then rich asian men could screw over the world. And oppress white people. Would you want that hare ?

Lots of poor Chinese come to Europe - what are their numbers like?

I think most Asians do not believe in equality the same way that ME Muslims do. They are used to a more stratified society and are willing to tolerate colonial attitudes more easily, having, at various times, being occupied by white men. Muslims, blacks and Latinos especially second generation do not have the same experience of occupation and plus Islam teaches equality under God (just as high school in secular society does), so they are more resistant to being treated as inferiors.

Sam, you hit the point right on. Muslims, Blacks, and Latinos are way more vocal about their rights being violated than many Asian minorities. I think it has to do with outlook. Black people have been slaves for nearly 200 years, Spanish people have been racially abused in white America ever since America acquired moved adjacent to them, California, New Mexico, Texas, and other states used to be part of Mexico and still have large Mexican populations who are mistreated to this day. Abuse of Muslims in the modern era need not be stated here as we can go on for pages and pages.

As for Sharia law, which by the way doesn't make any sense (it should be either called Sharia or Islamic law), some posters believe is monolithic, but its not. There are literally many varying interpretations of Sharia, and it is more of a path of thinking than real concrete eternal laws. Using the worse examples of tribal, backward interpretations like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan is simply ridiculous and insulting to all 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. It helps some people to think in black and white but the rest of us should recognize the world is not in these bipolar extremes.

So what you're saying is that while Asians man the fuck up and actually work to achieve something in their lives, the blacks, latinos and Muslims just sit around whining and starting trouble. Interesting.

Has anyone mentioned Spain they have the highest %


Muslims serving jail sentences in Spanish jails will now be allowed to say their prayers in congregation, provided at least ten of them expressed their wish to do so. The aim of the new ruling is to bring about equality of treatment between Muslim prisoners and Catholic interns in their religious rights.

The largest Islamic organization in the country, the Islamic Committee of Spain, has welcomed this initiative, taking into account that 70 percent of those in Spanish jails are Muslims, who number around 54,000.

here (http://www.dicd.gov.ae/vEnglish/detailnewspage.jsp?articleID=6387&newsType=4&pageFlag=0)
I guess their police are just more diligent.

insulting to all 1.7 billion Muslims in the world.

The number seems to have grown by about half a billion people since I last talked to DH. He seems to be getting the propaganda handouts from CAIR on time.

Abuse of Muslims in the modern era need not be stated here as we can go on for pages and pages.

The only "abuse" Muslims experience is from their own kind, which includes their parents for indoctrinating them.


There are literally many varying interpretations of Sharia, and it is more of a path of thinking than real concrete eternal laws.

Hence, that makes them completely useless as laws. Duh.


Using the worse examples of tribal, backward interpretations like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan is simply ridiculous and insulting to all 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. It helps some people to think in black and white but the rest of us should recognize the world is not in these bipolar extremes.

Funny how Islam is like that, interpreted in many ways, abused to suit ones agenda, apt for tribalism, backwards to how people should conduct themselves.

Totally useless.

Cazzo:


Left wingers are the most racist pieces of shit in existence. They think that non-whites are sub-human animals who aren't responsible for their own bad behaviour.

Certainly an individual is responsible for their own behavior. But it's more complex than that. These recent immigrants are in Europe due to being part of a colonized country, with treaties allowing them to move to the "homeland". They learned the same language, and they are hoping for a better life. The problem is that there are few jobs to offer them. It's a sociological fact that having large numbers of unemployed young people is a serious problem. With time on their hands, they get into trouble. No culture on the planet is immune from this.

So what you're saying is that while Asians man the fuck up and actually work to achieve something in their lives, the blacks, latinos and Muslims just sit around whining and starting trouble. Interesting.

Not necessarily, that's a stereotype. While some Asian cultures do have a strong work eithic, that doesn't innoculate the unemployed youth against violence and crime.

http://www.streetgangs.com/asian/

So what you're saying is that while Asians man the fuck up and actually work to achieve something in their lives, the blacks, latinos and Muslims just sit around whining and starting trouble. Interesting.

That's not exactly true. Most East Asians, atleast, from my experience are not very vocal about injustices done to them. I know some Japanese people whose relatives were sent to internment camps camps in the US during World War 2, yet they never discussed it until I mentioned it first. I don't know the reason for this, maybe their view of history and priorities in the US are different than other minorities. We should start another thread about this, actually.

It is a lie to state that Black people, Latinos, and Muslims do not work, because many of these people occupy significant labor forces in the US society. If you think Black people do not work, then you have obviously never been to the South were Black laborers still pick cotton like they used to do for hundreds of years. As for Latinos, they occupy all the low paying jobs in the South and Southwest which white people would not due such as construction work, work in mines, factories, and cleaning jobs. Muslims on the other hand work extensively in the North in taxi companies and gas station stores for low wages, and many Muslims are also doctors and engineers.

You should not let your racism and prejudice control how you view people.

Sam, you hit the point right on. Muslims, Blacks, and Latinos are way more vocal about their rights being violated than many Asian minorities. I think it has to do with outlook. I think their outlook has an even more powerful effect on the outcomes. Asians, instead of bitching and moaning, just get about the business of working and studying. As a result, they are the minority that outperforms the majority.

I'm not saying that other minorities don't work. It's just that you don't have asian racial pimps like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Rev Wright ready to blame every problem on the evil white man. When you're constantly told the deck is stacked against you, it has an effect on you. Instead of looking to yourself for solutions and working harder, you look for someone to blame. It becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.

That's not exactly true. Most East Asians, atleast, from my experience are not very vocal about injustices done to them. I know some Japanese people whose relatives were sent to internment camps camps in the US during World War 2, yet they never discussed it until I mentioned it first. I don't know the reason for this, maybe their view of history and priorities in the US are different than other minorities. We should start another thread about this, actually..

The same is true for Chinese and Koreans actually. Also Bengalis who will say a lot among themselves but refrain from complaining in public. Interestingly all these groups have an intense inner network, so that an injustice done to one Bengali/Chinese/Korean is instantly telegraphed across the community. Its a bit hard to break into the circle, but very interesting to hear some of the things they know.

That's not exactly true. Most East Asians, atleast, from my experience are not very vocal about injustices done to them. I know some Japanese people whose relatives were sent to internment camps camps in the US during World War 2, yet they never discussed it until I mentioned it first. I don't know the reason for this, maybe their view of history and priorities in the US are different than other minorities. We should start another thread about this, actually.

Finally
You should not let your racism and prejudice control how you view people.

The race war has been instigated since the 60s. If it did not happen then i cant see it happening now.

There are many misconceptions throughout this thread about immigrants also. First of all in the U.S Indians are not really considered Asian- I have never heard it put that way anyway. Be that as it may many Chinese and Asian immigrants start off at low income jobs just as many\most European immigrants. I think the problems in some countries is that they are just too small to absorb the massive number of immigrants. We need to realize that leaving one's country is a big step and they, most of them anyway, leave for a better life.



It is a lie to state that Black people, Latinos, and Muslims do not work, because many of these people occupy significant labor forces in the US society. If you think Black people do not work, then you have obviously never been to the South were Black laborers still pick cotton like they used to do for hundreds of years. As for Latinos, they occupy all the low paying jobs in the South and Southwest which white people would not due such as construction work, work in mines, factories, and cleaning jobs. Muslims on the other hand work extensively in the North in taxi companies and gas station stores for low wages, and many Muslims are also doctors and engineers.

You dont live in the U.S, judging from your posts you dont know much about it either. White people wont do construction work, do cleaning work or work in factories????

:roflmao:

Yeah sure. Where do you get this information from?

I think their outlook has an even more powerful effect on the outcomes. Asians, instead of bitching and moaning, just get about the business of working and studying. As a result, they are the minority that outperforms the majority.

I'm not saying that other minorities don't work. It's just that you don't have asian racial pimps like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Rev Wright ready to blame every problem on the evil white man. When you're constantly told the deck is stacked against you, it has an effect on you. Instead of looking to yourself for solutions and working harder, you look for someone to blame. It becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.

Not to mention, all too often blacks in school are made fun of (by other blacks) if they try doing well, become a scientist, or go into buisness; because it's a "white thing"......They're acting like whites if they try to do well and succeed.

What is the population of Muslims in Spain?

Of course there are many reasons why immigrants do and do not become poor. Muslims are not the only people that did not/do not integrate that well into Australian society. Vietnamese did not fair all that well either. Japanese, Chinese, Indians, Russians, Koreans, Greeks, Italians - they all did. Lot's of people study the problem.

Perhaps one reason was the change in employment. At about the time the Vietnamese and ME Muslims migrated here the low-skilled jobs were leaving for Asia and so this employment wasn't there. Another reason may have been that both people were so f*cked over by their government that they were used to swindling the system (survival technique in their home country) and when they realized they could do it here they did. But it does little to lift one out of poverty. So they "survived" as poor ghettos and their kids often got involved in gangs. drugs, crime etc...

I know ME Iraqi and Armenian Xians that did very well for themselves. So, I wonder if religion doesn't play a part. If you can all recall the "hand-shake" incident. Well, I'm not going out of my way to help someone who doesn't shake my hand. Teaching your kids to marry their first cousins is a problem (this isn't Islamic but is ME custom and and lots of ME people are Muslims, that said I know second generation ME Xian's who married their cousins).

I personally think that wearing a burka is a big problem. And, it's not about feeling immodest at all. It's about segregation. A 25 year old Japanese or Aussie or American convert doesn't all of a sudden feel immodest in their blue jeans and sweater. When they wear a Burka it's because of some sick cult-like brainwashing. The Japanese woman doesn't even speak to her family anymore. They have never seen their grandkids. She used to be a normal girl. She married an Imam.

Next is bigotry. ME people are some of the most anti Jewish people on the planet. Muslim or Xian or or agnostic or atheist.

A few additional problems I'd note are:
Taking the intolerant attitude that "my religion is the only true religion".
There are many things wrong with your religion
My language is "perfect"
My religous book is "perfect"
There are 4 times as many women as men, the government statistics are lies.

etc.. etc... etc....


All of this further segregates this community from the larger community. If you add to this the critical mass to form a ghetto and you end of with poor young males whose parents are maintaining an intolerant old-country backwards mentality and they are pissed off they are poor. Perfect people for crime.

lepustimidus:


Pauline Hanson is no bigot. She simply has the cajones to say what needs to be said. She simply says what many Australians would like to say.

No. She just says what you and your white supremacist mates say. Thankfully, there aren't many of you.


What's fucking hilarious about this entire thing is that you've immigrated to a country which has Anglo-Saxon roots. How does it feel to be surrounded by an evil people?

Australia has a 40000 year aboriginal history, and a 200 year Anglo-Saxon history. Really, this is basic stuff. Read a history book.

One can also ask, why are Chinese so wealthy in nations such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, etc.... What about Japan? That's not the case in Japan. In the three above nations Chinese are in control of vast amounts of wealth.

Anyway, I suppose my point is. Wealth is related to crime and there are a lot of reasons why people become wealthy. Personal connections being one of them.

I'd also like to note that Iranian migrants to AU are very wealthy. Some are even still Muslim.

James R:


No. She just says what you and your white supremacist mates say. Thankfully, there aren't many of you.


She speaks for more than just white supremacists. Perhaps if you left your liberal stronghold and actually went into the real world, you'd find that many Australians don't want to be swamped by unpatriotic immigrants (especially Muslims), and that they are sick of bending over backwards for Western hating minorities.



Australia has a 40000 year aboriginal history, and a 200 year Anglo-Saxon history. Really, this is basic stuff. Read a history book.


So Australia as a civilisation has aboriginal roots? Huh? :shrug:

I always thought that what we know as Australian civilisation was established by the British, and then built upon by primarily white immigrants. The nomadic abbos just happened to scavenge off the land that the British built on. Big shit. The aborigines were not progenitors of Australian civilization. They existed apart from it.

John:


White people wont do construction work, do cleaning work or work in factories????


Exactly.

To imply that there is no such thing as blue-collared workers in Western countries, and that immigrants 'take the jobs white people don't want', is a load of motherfucking bullshit. In fact, I'd argue that it's borderline racism, because it implies that whites are too lazy/weak to work in dirty jobs.

lepustimidus:


She speaks for more than just white supremacists.

She's irrelevant. She ran for parliament in the last election and didn't get anywhere near gaining a seat.


Perhaps if you left your liberal stronghold and actually went into the real world, you'd find that many Australians don't want to be swamped by unpatriotic immigrants (especially Muslims), and that they are sick of bending over backwards for Western hating minorities.

Your supposed hordes of "unpatriotic immigrants (especially Muslims)" are a figment of your imagination. They simply do not exist.


So Australia as a civilisation has aboriginal roots? Huh? :shrug:

Yep. You need to grab a book on Aboriginal culture and check it out for yourself.

Happy reading!


I always thought that what we know as Australian civilisation was established by the British, and then built upon by primarily white immigrants.

Well, now you know better.

James:


She's irrelevant. She ran for parliament in the last election and didn't get anywhere near gaining a seat.


Yeah. The conniving politicians destroyed her, and One Nation, with their dirty tactics.



Your supposed hordes of "unpatriotic immigrants (especially Muslims)" are a figment of your imagination. They simply do not exist.


We risk being swamped by unpatriotic immigrants if liberals such as you have their way.



Yep. You need to grab a book on Aboriginal culture and check it out for yourself.


Aboriginal culture =/= Australian culture.

You = dumb.

lepustimidus:


Yeah. The conniving politicians destroyed her, and One Nation, with their dirty tactics.

No, she and One Nation destroyed themselves with their brainless racism.


We risk being swamped by unpatriotic immigrants if liberals such as you have their way.

Prove it.


Aboriginal culture =/= Australian culture.

Well, aborigines are Australian, so which country's culture do you think they practice?


You = dumb.

When you have nothing intelligent to say, bring out the insults.

James R:


No, she and One Nation destroyed themselves with their brainless racism.


Funny, I seem to remember the two leaders of One Nation being sent to prison on trumped up charges. Hmmm.



Prove it.


Nahhh, don't want to.



Well, aborigines are Australian, so which country's culture do you think they practice?


Are they?



When you have nothing intelligent to say, bring out the insults.


Globba globba globba!

Funny, I seem to remember the two leaders of One Nation being sent to prison on trumped up charges.

A jury convicted Hanson and Ettridge of electoral fraud, and Hanson was also convicted of dishonestly obtaining property (namely, electoral funding to the tune of $A498,000).

The conviction was overturned on appeal to the Queensland Supreme Court.

The Court of Appeal did not describe the charges as "trumped up".

The charges weren't trumped up, which is why the convictions were overturned.

I guess those who accused Hanson and Ettridge were just mistaken. They didn't have an agenda, no sir ree.

I think their outlook has an even more powerful effect on the outcomes. Asians, instead of bitching and moaning, just get about the business of working and studying. As a result, they are the minority that outperforms the majority.

I think an outlook from an East Asian American would probably be more helpful than mere guesses from me and you.

Also, who ever says that Muslims, Latinos, and African Americans do not work hard has no idea. Muslim and Latino immigrants who immigrate to this country begin with almost no income and work for everything they have with their own sweat and blood, often working long hours with very little pay. You also cannot generalize with African Americans, many many work extremely hard, just as white Americans and other minorities.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't one of the rights of any American the right to have a redress of grievances. For those of us in the world who value freedom, we shouldn't refer to those who ask for greater rights and those who complain about discrimination (which by the way is very real) as moaning, because this is their right. Historically many injustices have been done against minorities in America, and indeed in many countries, it is the right of the people to demand more fair and just treatment. I don't think it is preferable to simply live life with many injustices, but to have minorities speak for their rights, those that don't should not affect the legitimate rights of those that do.

For those of us in the world who value freedom, we shouldn't refer to those who ask for greater rights and those who complain about discrimination (which by the way is very real) as moaning, because this is their right.

Nope. It's clear cut whining. A person cannot be discriminated against their religion if the religion is unable to demonstrate it's claims. Are you discriminated against for believing in aliens visiting earth, or believing there is a celestial teapot orbiting the sun, or believing in the tooth fairy, when other ridicule your beliefs?


Historically many injustices have been done against minorities in America, and indeed in many countries, it is the right of the people to demand more fair and just treatment. I don't think it is preferable to simply live life with many injustices, but to have minorities speak for their rights, those that don't should not affect the legitimate rights of those that do.

The problem is kowtowing to minorities with agendas, like those who whine about their so-called religious "injustices."

An easy call of BS on this one, D.

minorities with agendas

Do you think athiests who complain about discrimination are also minorities with agendas?

Cos they are lower than Muslims and homosexuals in some societies.

Do you think athiests who complain about discrimination are also minorities with agendas?

Please indicate which group of atheists are lobbying the governments over injustices? Or else, stfu.


Cos they are lower than Muslims and homosexuals in some societies.

Really? You don't say?

Please indicate which group of atheists are lobbying the governments over injustices? Or else, stfu.


Plenty of them, mostly over imaginary injustices, rather than real ones. Like telling the government how to bring up your children for instance.

Plenty of them, mostly over imaginary injustices, rather than real ones. Like telling the government how to bring up your children for instance.

In other words, none. All made up BS from the queen of ID.

And then there was the guy who objected to a minute of silence, the other guy who objected to a picture of Jesus, some other guys who want to substitute Merry Christmas with Happy Holidays, want to erase "One Nation under God".

The tortures! Its worse than Iraq Abu Ghraib and Gitmo all rolled into one.

Compared to these very real sufferings the Muslim BS is very clearly visible.

I think an outlook from an East Asian American would probably be more helpful than mere guesses from me and you.

Also, who ever says that Muslims, Latinos, and African Americans do not work hard has no idea. Muslim and Latino immigrants who immigrate to this country begin with almost no income and work for everything they have with their own sweat and blood, often working long hours with very little pay. You also cannot generalize with African Americans, many many work extremely hard, just as white Americans and other minorities.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't one of the rights of any American the right to have a redress of grievances. For those of us in the world who value freedom, we shouldn't refer to those who ask for greater rights and those who complain about discrimination (which by the way is very real) as moaning, because this is their right. Historically many injustices have been done against minorities in America, and indeed in many countries, it is the right of the people to demand more fair and just treatment. I don't think it is preferable to simply live life with many injustices, but to have minorities speak for their rights, those that don't should not affect the legitimate rights of those that do.

First thing we need to do is eliminate the word minority. We are all people.

there was the guy... the other guy... some other guys...

Uh-huh.

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You know how it is, after some time they all start to look alike. :shrug:

the charges against hanson wernt trumpt up. They were brought by the AEC which is a compleatly independent body from the goverment (to a greater exstent than even the auditor generals office). Its DEFINITLY independent from the major political parties. Yes the two major parties coluded to keep her out of parliment in the first election. They did this by putting each other ABOVE one nation in there how to vote cards but if there had been popular surport for her message this would have backfired and draged more voters to her cause. So why didnt this happen? because inspite of what people seem to think australia is MUCH less racist than on the surface we have apeared. This was also shown in the surport for the apology and the backlash against brendon nelson for his speach

First thing we need to do is eliminate the word minority. We are all people.

How do you propose to do this? By assimilating the minorities into mirror images of the majority?

Humans beings are different, we have different customs, religions, and languages, eliminating the differences should not be the answer. We can still get along without losing our cultures, it is unfortunate some people want to create conflicts between different people. We should be friends, not enemies to each other.

How do you propose to do this? By assimilating the minorities into mirror images of the majority?

Humans beings are different, we have different customs, religions, and languages, eliminating the differences should not be the answer. We can still get along without losing our cultures, it is unfortunate some people want to create conflicts between different people. We should be friends, not enemies to each other.

Curious. Weren't you the guy that though the judicial execution of islamic apostates was justifiable? I think you said you'd even hand your own son over to the authorities. So is that difference not to be tolerated? Or do you perhaps feel that differences are only tolerable in some circumstances, or have you reversed your stance?

How do you propose to do this? By assimilating the minorities into mirror images of the majority?

Humans beings are different, we have different customs, religions, and languages, eliminating the differences should not be the answer. We can still get along without losing our cultures, it is unfortunate some people want to create conflicts between different people. We should be friends, not enemies to each other.

Tell that to your Immam fundies.

I was asking John99.

It's really unimportant who you were asking, as I'm now asking you.