The recently developed UAVs like USA's Predator and Israeli's Hermes as well as other countless Unmanned Air Vehicles used in today war have no means of being destroyed efficiently.

A new missile must be developed to counteract the UAV presence in the war scene which would have an explosively pumped flux compression generator. This device would create a EM wave which would destroy all avionics of the UAV in an area.

I propose to have EPFCG to be included inside a self propelled missile in a launcher that can be held by one man.

http://www.rati.com/multimedia/IMAGES%5C10792.jpg

Or are these missiles in existence already? :shrug:
The recent Georgia-Russia warfare proves that such devices would very much be useful.

:eek: Why?

:eek: Why?

Every weapon needs a counter weapon.

In Afghanistan War USA supplied anti-MI-helicopter missiles to Taliban to allow the militants to defend themselves against the helicopters. The missiles worked.

In recent Iraq war the use of Predator UAVs has no mean for Iraqi people to defend themselves. The spydrones over Palestine built by Elisra cannot be shot down by people to defend themselves. A military market potential exists for anti-UAV warfare such as the EPFCG missiles.

So you're anti-American?

So you're anti-American?

lets focus on warfare.

How would you destroy Predator UAV?

http://lemonodor.com/images/crashed-border-patrol-predator-uav-s.jpg

obviously you can...
launch a missile hoping it will hit
launch an EM wave that will destroy electronics of avionics of Predator UAV
somehow hack into Predator Satellite control system to make it blow up/crash itself

Enmos, what ways can you think of to destroy the Predator UAV and the likes of it?

The above picture shows a crash in Arizona recently

in this case what happened was a pilot mistake in a fuel cut-off.


The pilot reported that during the flight the console at PPO-1 "locked up", prompting him to switch control of the UAV to PPO-2. Checklist procedures state that prior to switching operational control between the two consoles, the pilot must match the control positions on the new console to those on the console, which had been controlling the UAV. The pilot stated in an interview that he failed to do this. The result was that the stop/feather control in PPO-2 was in the fuel cutoff position when the switch over from PPO-1 to PPO-2 occurred. As a result, the fuel was cut off to the UAV when control was transferred to PPO-2.

lets focus on warfare.

How would you destroy Predator UAV?

http://lemonodor.com/images/crashed-border-patrol-predator-uav-s.jpg

obviously you can...
launch a missile hoping it will hit
launch an EM wave that will destroy electronics of avionics of Predator UAV
somehow hack into Predator Satellite control system to make it blow up/crash itself

Enmos, what ways can you think of to destroy the Predator UAV and the likes of it?

The above picture shows a crash in Arizona recently

in this case what happened was a pilot mistake in a fuel cut-off.

An EM-pulse would most likely work. But these are reconnaissance craft, they don't carry any weapons.

An EM-pulse would most likely work. But these are reconnaissance craft, they don't carry any weapons.

aside from the picture, a reconnaissance UAV once locating a target will allow missiles to be deployed to that location. So in essence it does need to carry weapons to be considered a weapon.

Thou do Em-pulse missiles exist currently? And how can they be mass produced for the needs of warfare?

aside from the picture, a reconnaissance UAV once locating a target will allow missiles to be deployed to that location. So in essence it does need to carry weapons to be considered a weapon.

Thou do Em-pulse missiles exist currently? And how can they be mass produced for the needs of warfare?

What? Are you looking to buy some? :p
I'm not sure if they already exist, but they wouldn't be hard to make. I think..

What? Are you looking to buy some? :p
I'm not sure if they already exist, but they wouldn't be hard to make. I think..

No, I am thinking of designing them.
The issue with them I am sure is need for massive amounts of energy.

An EM-pulse would most likely work. But these are reconnaissance craft, they don't carry any weapons.

excuse me??

http://galleries.fototagger.com/image/twuav.jpeg

No, I am thinking of designing them.
The issue with them I am sure is need for massive amounts of energy.

All you need to do is take a device that emits a strong EM-Pulse (such already exist) and see if they are light enough to build it into a missile.

excuse me??

http://galleries.fototagger.com/image/twuav.jpeg

For real? Nice.. :D

along the same lines... such EM weapon is developed..hmmm air to air to take it down

Wonderful news!

Apparently the EPFCG will have a massive effect.


"The result is that FCGs will produce a ramping current pulse, which breaks before the final disintegration of the device. Published results suggest ramp times of tens of hundreds of microseconds and peak currents of tens of millions of amps." The pulse that emerges makes a lightning bolt seem like a flashbulb by comparison.

An Air Force spokesman, who describes this effect as similar to a lightning strike, points out that electronics systems can be protected by placing them in metal enclosures called Faraday Cages that divert any impinging electromagnetic energy directly to the ground. Foreign military analysts say this reassuring explanation is incomplete.

The Indian military has studied FCG devices in detail because it fears that Pakistan, with which it has ongoing conflicts, might use E-bombs against the city of Bangalore, a sort of Indian Silicon Valley. An Indian Institute for Defense Studies and Analysis study of E-bombs points to two problems that have been largely overlooked by the West. The first is that very-high-frequency pulses, in the microwave range, can worm their way around vents in Faraday Cages. The second concern is known as the "late-time EMP effect," and may be the most worrisome aspect of FCG devices. It occurs in the 15 minutes after detonation. During this period, the EMP that surged through electrical systems creates localized magnetic fields. When these magnetic fields collapse, they cause electric surges to travel through the power and telecommunication infrastructure. This string-of-firecrackers effect means that terrorists would not have to drop their homemade E-bombs directly on the targets they wish to destroy. Heavily guarded sites, such as telephone switching centers and electronic funds-transfer exchanges, could be attacked through their electric and telecommunication connections.

link: http://www.active-duty.com/MI_FCG_FluxCompressionGenerator.htm

So basically this missile does not need to explode right next to the Predator UAV it will take down the UAV if it creates an EM-pulse far from it.

In fact I propose a UAV with a EPFCG missile on it which will sweep an area constantly for any other UAV's and will create an Em-pulse as soon as it locates one. This UAV will be very cheap and will only have this EPFCG device that will obviously take down both the launcher and receiver.

Um, but a flying aircraft isn't grounded.

Um, but a flying aircraft isn't grounded.

I know the UAV that launched that Em-pulse will be destroyed as well.

http://www.septemberclues.info/images/ebomf1.gif

http://www.septemberclues.info/dawn_of_ebomb.htm

The scariest part of microwave weapons may be that crude forms of the technology are readily available to anyone right now. "Any nation with a 1950s technology base

guess Russia's good ;)

The picture seems to be indicating an F-22 launching such an EM-pulse weapon, meanwhile the EM-weapon needs to be launched at F-22 to take out its avionics.

yes... it's a ground attack from a aircraft..but you are missing something ..a key point

Dragon,
you figure it out yet?

bump

Sorry, Draqon, there is such a thing as EM shielding.

Sorry, Draqon, there is such a thing as EM shielding.

but drones and UAV's do not have such shielding? It would be too expensive, correct?

And if there is an EM shielding can you give me links with details. A way needs to be designed to destroy this EM shielding.

A way must be found to efficiently destroy the threat from small unmanned air vehicles.

A localized burst of EM radiation to penetrate through EM shielding.

lol..still don't get it

Sorry, Draqon, there is such a thing as EM shielding.
EM shielding is easier to use than some might think. It tends to be extraordinarily expensive and very heavy. To carry the kind of currents associated with a large EMP, a Faraday cage needs to have thick bars made of highly conductive metals. A room-sized birdcage made of copper bar stock a half inch thick or better is expensive and weighs a lot, but it'll block the EMP of a nuclear weapon.

Portable electronics in aircraft and other vehicles use circuitry that detects the rise of an EMP transient by monitoring the current in transmission lines connected to antennas, and any unshielded wiring exposed externally. When these circuits detect a building transient they shunt it around the sensitive parts, isolating them from the surge before it breaks anything down.

There's no way to shield something like an entire aircraft from an EMP, but the vital systems can be protected well enough.

edit: sorry brah, I misread your post and responded as if I was disagreeing..fixed!