View Full Version : Finally! A Metallica Album That Doesn’t Suck!
06-12-03, 02:57 PM
Understandably, they're all Beatles covers ( http://www.sensoryresearch.com/~starkeff/beatallica.html).
Plus it's not really Metallica. Which would explain the lack of suckage…
I'm listening to "The Thing That Should Not Let It Be" ...
... absolutely awesome. Haven't heard "Metallica" sound that good in ... ages.
Did you hear St. Anger yet? I am curious about it, okay, just somewhat curious.
I would've been disgusted with the thread title if it wasn't for their new album St. Anger. Oh man that sucks and blows at the same time.
But those songs are interesting, don't quite like them but they're interesting
06-12-03, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by fredx
Did you hear St. Anger yet?The Good: It does seem like a return to a little heavier instrumentation.
The Bad: The vocal qualities, much like on other recent albums, seem to be derivative of newer pop-metal bands. Certain refrains reminded me too much of Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit, with the background grunting. One of the better sections reminded of the newer Megadeth stuff (which I happen to like, BTW). Other parts just seemed aimless. It also sounds as if Hetfield is responding to criticisms that he's been trying to actually "sing" too much by deliberately singing off key.
The Ugly: As in some of Metallica's other recent stuff, the lyrics just seem awful. It often seems now as if they're always trying way too hard to coin a new phrase.
I don't think Metallica's ever really been the same since Cliff died. No matter what, though, they'll never approach anything like "Master of Puppets" or "Ride the Lightening" again. Maybe Metallica should reunite with Dave Mustaine. Hey, he's sober now, but I guess they'd have to kick out Hammett...
Oh yeah, he doesn't solo anymore, so see ya buddy. :D
St. Anger...Metallica is now dead to me, they split up before this album and retired gracefully and let their pet monkeys make an album. That's my story and it's the only one I'm gonna accept.
No matter how much I want to like this album, I can't, and I'm ashamed. I have a friend who idolises Metallica and Hetfield and I told him not to buy it because he would've been crushed. But he loves it. I can't see how. It's not Metallica! It's either Slayer, Machine Head, Fear Factory, The Rollins Band, Pantera, Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit but not Metallica.
I'm gonna go cry
1981 - 2002
May They Rest In Piece
06-12-03, 07:27 PM
It's either Slayer, Machine Head, Fear Factory, The Rollins Band, Pantera, Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit but not Metallica.
Pantera? How can you put Machine Head, Pantera, Fear Factory and Metallica in the same sentence? I can believe someone would think the album sounds a lot like Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit, but there is no way it sounds like Machine Head or Pantera.
I'm not one for metal anymore, but I like the way the album was recorded - everything sounds shitty. The drums are ringy, the guitars sound like they've been mic'd by radioshack mics. It's a more raw dynamic sound as compared to the normal overcompressed, pitch-corrected garbage.
However, James Hetfield ruins it. I can't stand his voice, and his lyrics blow.
"My lifestyle determines my deathstyle"
"My lifestyle determines my deathstyle"
"My lifestyle determines my deathstyle"
"My lifestyle determines my deathstyle"
perhaps bad but definitely true.
not much of a point really, I believe that is what bothers you.
girls just don't like Metallica, heavy metal sometimes influenced by country, thats just not girl thing.
06-12-03, 08:42 PM
Just caught the video on Empty-V. I thought it might help, though it never does. Too call and response style thug core punk.
This album just doesn't contain any of the pure thrash metal aggression of their first three albums, although there are some heavy heavy riffs (as opposed to the nonsense I had to wince through on Load of Crap and ReLoad of Crap). And what's up with that Tin Pot drum sound? Remember that SNL skit where it was BOC in the studio recording "Don't fear the Reaper" and the producer kept saying "We need more cowbell"? Well, I picture Bob Rock in the studio saying, "Cmon Lars, we need the Tin Pot drum sound....the kids LOVE that Tin Pot drum sound!!"
I guess it's time to haggle for some cheap gen. ad. seats for the summer tour and just stick to my "jaded former Metallica fan" status...
:m: Three martinis in.
06-13-03, 12:19 AM
Ahhhh Metallica, my once and former favorite.
I was introduced to Metallica full on when I went to the Monsters of Rock show in Seattle waaaay back in July 1988. I was going to see Dokken, Scorps and VH, but was absolutely blown away by the power, the multiple layers to the music and artistry of the lyrics. Different songs had different feel, different breath, different sway on the audience that day. I hadn't heard Seek and Destroy, but I joined in the chorus with such fervor I still remember it perfectly to this day. Disposable Heroes, Master of Puppets and For Whom the Bell Toll seemed out of place with all the Kill'em All songs, yet they fit in so well.
I rushed home and picked up Ride the Lightning, Garage Days Re-Re-Visited and Master of Puppets over the space of a month. Then magically, their monster opus ...and Justice for All appeared.
Different tempos, different layers, 8 minute songs with three solos, time changes, bass lines that weren't just rhythm, they were a hypnotic undercurrent driving the power of the lyrics home. There was the anger, just below the surface in some, and on the sleave in others. To Live is to Die to this day makes a tear wellup in my eye, since its a farewell to Cliff. That one song was enough to justify buying AJFA . Some songs don't hit people, and some just hit one person or two right square between the eyes. To Live is to Die is that song for me.
College started about then, and in these pre-internet days, you pretty much didn't hear about bands until the album hit the shelfs. But Black you heard about. And when it was played on the radio everyday, I knew something had changed. The layers were gone, the solos were a little more forced, there was less of a jammin' feel, bass was just a tool for a beat, the drums tried to dominate over the guitar and bass, the lyrics were uninspired ranging from jingoist to flat. It was obvious to me that Cliff had been the balance to Lars that allowed the music, the layers, the tempo changes to live. James had obviously lost a muse pushing him to new lyrics, new ideas, new visions. Without the artistic vision of Cliff, Metallica became just another band. Jason NewKid wasn't bad, he's an awesome bass man, but he lacks the genius that Cliff had.
They produce one or two songs that are good songs, but not good _Metallica_ songs. I got Black for Xmas when it came out, but I didn't like enough to even take it out of the case. I only bought Garage Days Re-Re-Revisited to get the original re-revisited album (and The Prince and Breadfan) on CD. Everything else I have passed on without reservation or hesitation.
Once Lars went on eMpTyV and said "I would be Brittany Spears backup band for the right paycheck" I knew two things.
1. Cliff was spinning in his grave, and 2. Metallica was dead to me as sure as Cliff was.
Metallica, they were a worldchanging influential band once.
But I like the fiery Metal they used to play, it couldn't last forever.
Long live Master of Puppets, Long live Ride the Lightning and long live ...And Justice for All.
That shall be their epitaph for me.:(
06-13-03, 01:21 AM
How many of you people were introduced to Metallica by their 1st film clip "One". This was supposedly going to be their only film clip, but lars liked the money the new fans brought in.
They paid tribute to Cliff Burton by using bootleg audio/video & then want to sue napster users:bugeye:
Metallica's last good album was Master of Puppets.
Maybe Metallica should reunite with Dave Mustaine.
Can he play again? I thought that he'd had a major injury to his hand/arm?
Have you seen them live? They suck big time!!!
Pantera? How can you put Machine Head, Pantera, Fear Factory and Metallica in the same sentence?
I'm deeply afraid you can with this album. It sounds like every other band but Metallica.
Being a relatively new fan of Metallica (around 1995) I have to say I was more into ...And Justice For All and Ride The Lightning but I still liked Load and Reload although I knew as the band aged, they seemed to loose their flare. My hopes were rekindled with S&M, I thought it was amazing and couldn't stop listening to it. I just love the blend of styles (this was before I knew about other bands that also blend styles).
I Disappear, now that was a big kick in the teeth. By then I knew they had lost it and damned themselves. I even said to my friend 'If this is what they're making now, I haven't got a good feeling about their next album'. I was right.
Then they did a collaboration with Ja Rule 'We Did It Again' and at that point I lost all faith in them.
I must admit I do like the song 'Dirty Window' from this new album. It reminds me of the Rollin Band days before I got into Metallica. But the rest, I can't stand. I can't even listen to the title track, St. Anger, all the way through.
I nearly fell out with my best friend last night about this. As I said, he idolises Metallica and although I put forward very good points he remained ignorant of the changes. I suspect he only likes the album because it's Metallica
I shall quote a review I read - "They have become the Rolling Stones of Metal - larger than their music, living on reputation. Pass on this one." And I agree
Well, after hearing the new album trashed, I just had to go get a sample ... I'm absolutely stunned to find out how anti-listener Metallica is. They're not even in the Apple Music Store yet, and unless they specifically didn't want to, I can't imagine why they wouldn't be. They're really pissed about Napster, aren't they?
Of course, that might be their final tesament. The album will sell well because it's a Metallica album, of sorts. But if it's as bad as people say ....
A funny story is that if you watch Soundgarden's videos, something odd happens. After "Jesus Christ Pose" gets cancelled, Soundgarden eventually releases the "Spoonman" video in which Artis the Spoonman is the only living person. All you see of the band is promo glossies.
What if Metallica's giving the finger to their fans for ripping them to mp3? "Here, rip this. It sucks, and you just made it number one! Ha-ha-ha-ha!"
Now that I could appreciate.
That is a very interesting theory. It's very possible and indeed quite plausable. But by doing that they'd be alienating their true, diehard fans which I can't...wait, I can see them doing.
It's indeed a very novel idea and it is true people will buy this just because it's Metallica. They are selling this on reputation alone mainly and having talked to a lot of people about the album, only a fraction had heard any of the songs before buying it.
I love the idea though, getting revenge through the media.
Oh, and you also raised a good point. Sales do not mean it's good. Take Westlife and other boy bands as an excellent example.
06-13-03, 08:06 AM
Metallica has really sold out now. Selling out is a phrase often overused, but the truth behind selling out is changing your musical style to please the listeners.
This is exactly what Metallica has done.
They changed their sound a while ago for whatever reasons, but apparantly it was just because they wanted to take a new direction and were no longer metal, but alternative. Now, they have gone back to those "metal" roots with this new album of theirs.
Some might say it's a good thing, but it is indeed, my friends, selling out. It's the epitome. They've gone heavy for the sake of being heavy. Just because it's becoming more popular...the heavy sound. They are in their mid 40s. There is no way they could ever reproduce something like Master of Puppets or Ride the Lightning. That anger they once used as a driving force behind their music no longer exists. They are rich with families. They are not angry drunken youths any longer. I'm not going to waste any more time...Metallica honestly isn't worth a fuck.
Metallica = BULLSHIT
plasticwingsmelting, you say everything is bullshit.
Still I may have to agree with you here.
06-14-03, 10:35 AM
I saw Metallica in 1990 and was bored to tears. And the sound was terrible.
The Cult blew them off the stage (that's not saying much). Got to see Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols guest on second guitar with the Cult so it was worth it.