I was talking to my linguistics lecturer yesterday, and we talking about how great the word fuck was. Its such an emphatic word, but really dosnt mean anything specific. But means so much, and we all just know what is means without it having to be explained.

LIke.. "What the fuck" see, now what does fuck mean in this setence. It dosnt serve a purpose, except it is almost used as a exclamation mark in the form a word.... I love the word, but im not allowed to say it.

wow.. i never realised, but i am such a nerd. I was hanging out with my lecturer....

I read once that it DOES mean something:

For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge

Posted on the stocks of early settlers who were being punished for having done same.

Originally posted by Agent@5
wow.. i never realised, but i am such a nerd. I was hanging out with my lecturer....

and talking about "F**k" ?

Did he or she showed you the way....?

Originally posted by postoak
I read once that it DOES mean something:

For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge

Posted on the stocks of early settlers who were being punished for having done same.

yeah there was another one... fornication under consent of teh King..... coz apprantly you had to ask the king to have sex or something........


and Kmguru... well... umm... err... i would have got old mans germs lol

It has been brought to management's attention that some individuals throughout the company have been using foul language during the course of normal conversation with their co-workers. Due to complaints received from some employees who may be easily offended, this type of language will be no longer tolerated. We do however, realize the critical importance of being able to accurately express your feelings when communicating with co-workers. Therefore, a list of "TRY SAYING" phrases has been provided so that proper exchange of ideas and information can continue in an effective manner without risk of offending our more sensitive employees.

TRY SAYING: Perhaps I can work late.
INSTEAD OF: And when the fuck do you expect me to do this?

TRY SAYING: I'm certain that isn't feasible.
INSTEAD OF: No fucking way.

TRY SAYING: Really?
INSTEAD OF: You've got to be shitting me!

TRY SAYING: Perhaps you should check with...
INSTEAD OF: Tell someone who gives a shit.

TRY SAYING: Of course I'm concerned.
INSTEAD OF: Ask me if I give a shit.

TRY SAYING: I wasn't involved in the project.
INSTEAD OF: It's not my fucking problem.

TRY SAYING: That's interesting.
INSTEAD OF: What the fuck?

TRY SAYING: I'm not sure this can be implemented.
INSTEAD OF: This shit won't work.

TRY SAYING: I'll try to schedule that.
INSTEAD OF: Why the hell didn't you tell me sooner?

TRY SAYING: Are you sure this is a problem?
INSTEAD OF: Who the hell cares?

TRY SAYING: He's not familiar with the issues.
INSTEAD OF: He's got his head up his ass.

TRY SAYING: Excuse me, sir?
INSTEAD OF: Eat shit and die.

TRY SAYING: So you weren't happy with it?
INSTEAD OF: Kiss my ass.

TRY SAYING: I'm a bit overloaded at the moment.
INSTEAD OF: Fuck it, I'm on salary.

TRY SAYING: I don't think you understand.
INSTEAD OF: Shove it up your ass.

TRY SAYING: I love a challenge.
INSTEAD OF: This job sucks.

TRY SAYING: You want me to take care of that?
INSTEAD OF: Who the hell died and made you boss?

TRY SAYING: I see.
INSTEAD OF: Blow me.

TRY SAYING: Yes, we really should discuss it.
INSTEAD OF Another fucking meeting!

TRY SAYING: I don't think this will be a problem.
INSTEAD OF: I really don't give a shit.

TRY SAYING: He's somewhat insensitive. who does this remind you of
INSTEAD OF: He's a prick.

TRY SAYING: She's an aggressive go-getter.
INSTEAD OF: She's a ball-busting bitch.

TRY SAYING: I think you could use more training.
INSTEAD OF: You don't know what the fuck you're doing.

postaoak, Agent:
Sorry, neither is the case. Nobody really knows where the word came from:
http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/fuck.htm

So fuck all!


wow.. i never realised, but i am such a nerd. I was hanging out with my lecturer....

Bah fucking (Stop it, Xev) humbug, my first crush was on my physics professor. :)


LIke.. "What the fuck" see, now what does fuck mean in this setence. It dosnt serve a purpose, except it is almost used as a exclamation mark in the form a word.... I love the word, but im not allowed to say it.

I love this word too. I mean, can you name one other word that can be used to express both anger, hatred, and intimacy? I mean, bloody 'ell, one can say "Fuck me" and have it mean two quite different things.

And anyone who wonders what the purpose of this post was can fuck off.

Hey Agent@5,

just curious - do you use "the" word during intimacy ?

Do you Xev ?

Do I look like a porn star? :p

Originally posted by Xev
Do I look like a porn star? :p

LMAO. That is the funniest line today :D

Agent@5 - thanks for sharing those -- I hadn't seen them before. :)

Xev - well, I always thought that explanation of the origin of "the word" was too good to be true.

Now, what about "pussy"? Although I've never studied French, I know that their word for "to push" is something like "pousee". My theory is that American servicemen were approached by French prostitutes during one of the World Wars and asked if they wanted "to push". Which came across as "Do you want pusee?" and the servicemen thought they were hearing a noun rather than a verb.

Originally posted by Xev



And anyone who wonders what the purpose of this post was can fuck off. [/B]

ahhh thats the spirit... why does everything have to have a meaning anyway... just like fuck, this thread will have no meaning!


and kmguru does i use the word fuck in intamacy?
fucking oath, Hell I AM a pron star! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

porn even...... *cough cough*

kmguru:

why cant you say the word "fuck?"

its okay, god wont see what you type. or at least your priest/pastor wont. :)

on a different note:

the main thing that interests me about "fuck" is how overused it is. oftentimes i am guilty of this. but many people use it (thats how its usage has expanded to include nearly all grammar/word types--adjective, adverb, trans/intrans verb, interjection....) too fucking much. so it becomes meaningless.

its much more effective, and persuasive, when you can refrain from using fuck more than once every few sentences. otherwise, you get shit like: what in the fuck is this fucking asshole think hes doing fucking a fucking whore in that fucking shit-ass condo where her fucking boyfriend can fucking walk in at any fucking time and beat his fucking ass.

completely meaningless.

casually inserting a fitting "fuck" every now and again is much more effective.

I think the bloody Aussies have this whole swearing business down pat. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, we don't give a flying fuck where the word came from. "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge"? The expression's been around for a few hundred bloody years longer than you think, and a shitload longer than some judgment handed down in some stupid fucking courtroom.

I mean for fucks' sake, why the hell do you want to know anyway? If you want some meaning in your fucking boring old life read a book, and preferably not one debating the origin of the word "Fuck". Or more to the point, go bloody fishing instead, the stars at night are far more interesting in some fucking stupid swear word, which you americans seem to get the shits on about every time you fucking hear.

Personally, I prefer the word "Shit" anyway. Versatile, easy to use, and fucking far less likely to send the wind up some stupid old geezers skirt when they hear the bloody "f" word. The word "Shit" is the shit. Really, it fucking well is.

And if you don't believe me, you don't fucking well know Jack Shit.

anyone got that doco on the word fuck

in-fucking-credable

ah

fuck the fucking fuckers

Originally posted by ubermich
kmguru:

why cant you say the word "fuck?"

its okay, god wont see what you type. or at least your priest/pastor wont. :)



I do not use the word in casual conversation. For me, it is reserved when I am angry or amorous...eitherway, the higher functions of the brain shuts down and hence the language expressions get limited. (that is what the neuroscience says).

I have also seen throughout my career that those bosses who use the word in casual conversation are basically morons in the intelligence department but got to that position by butt kissing their superior.

squid:

shit? over fuck?

what in the fuck?

both words connote nasty fucking images. but fuck is the more pleasant of the two.

id rather think of fucking than a piece of smelly fucking shit.

god, i bet even Jack Shit uses fucking more than shit.

:)

I think we need to get 'cunt' in use in North America. It's the single most insulting and degrading swear word I can think of.

You fucking cunt.

Disagree, Tyler. I reserve it for the simple reason of effectiveness.

Worst term of contempt. "Bitch" applied to a man, or "whore" to a man, is what I say when I try to be very nasty.

Women I do not bother swearing at much, except to amuse myself by their reactions. Women, one insults their appearence or something.

The fun thing to do is to cuss a person out in Finnish or Hebrew. :) It is fun to watch them say "huh?!" and not know what to do, because they can tell by your expression and tone that you have called them a "dickbreathed goat fucking pussy" but they don't know what you have said.

Ubermich... I wish I'd written that when i was sober, I'm sure i could have done a much better job of it. Having said that, it's good to see a healthy sense of humour ;)

Xev... Oh, I don't know. I get much the same reaction after telling someone that they really out to think about being defenestrated.

Calling a man a bitch is effective? I laugh if someone calls me that. Bitch is an extremely weak word; fuck, it can be used to describe any woman at all according to most men (and women for that matter). Whore? Same deal. Never had the pleasure of being called that but thinking about it I think I'd just kind of chuckle if someone called me a whore. And swearing in other languages. I use to do that with Russian. Then it just started looking pathetic. People who do that always look like they're too afraid to say it in English. You want to call me a dickless piece of shit? Fine, then say it to me. It's like having an inside joke with someone else, then blurting out the punchline when the other person isn't around; everyone's just going to think you're an idiot.

Such matters aside, what in particular makes a word a "bad" word? Why is Fuck not ok, but sex ok? What makes poop a cute thing babies say, but shit something bad that you don't want children to hear?

The choice of swear words can totally reflect the character of a person.

When a person decide not to swear at all, that can mean many things. It can mean the person is trying to be a saint, like buhddist monks, but 99% of the time that is not the case. (99% is a conservative estimate) For most people civility at all cost is a sign of weakness. It could mean the person is totally paralyzed by the potential negative consequences that the fear prevents the person from swearing. It could mean the person doesn't swear just because he is taught to do so by teachers or parents and for no other reason. It could mean the person is so bogged down by the corporate culture part of our society that the person is willing to be a slave of it, or it could just mean the person is willing to give up his/her personality, soul, and freedom in order to thrive in the society. It could mean the person is insencere, ingenuine, and manipulative. Some people "calculate" their every move. When all your moves have to be carefully planned, you will find swearing is very rarely necessary. Swear words are associated not with logic but emotions. It could mean the person has none.

Excessive use of the word fuck or shit means the person lack creativity and probably low on IQ. It doesn't take much to be excessive because fuck and shit are way over used. They already lost their meaning and effectiveness. I very rarely use those two words.

The curse words I like to use is "YOU FAG". "That is totally gay" "That is the gayest idea I have ever heard" "Shut your cake hole you faggot." "What a bunch of fags." That is my choice of swear word for the following reasons. The word fag or gay sound so reckless. It can get you into a lot of trouble. You can easily antagonize people who are politically correct. You can easily be labeled as homophobic. You can also be mistaken as a redneck/hick or uneducated or retarded or an asshole. However, I really don't have to worry about any of these things in real life. I have a pleasantly intelligent geeky look, especially when I wear glasses. That is something I am born with and used toward my advantage very often. With the different body language applied, you can achieve different effect. It can sound courageous, daring, fearless, or macho, or humourous, or rebellious. Oh yes, it can be awefully insulting too, especially when it is combined with your middle finger and say "you fucking fag". It is excellent for road rage. :D

Okay, those words are not for everyone. You must use it with care. It takes a lot of practice to use it properly.

The use of swear words (cussing) is something I grew up hearing. My father was actually quite fluent in the vernacular.

I find it rarely necessary to use them. I save those times for when I actually want to express just how teed I am. I find it rarely needed. I see quite a few shocked faces if I do so indulge, simply because those that know me also know just how rare it is. As such, the use drives home with force, my feelings much more effectively.

Constant use lowers the effect dramatically. As Joeman says it shows lack of creativity and a lack of being able to express oneself adequately. Those people need to return to school and relearn the language. Also how to think and express themselves.

joeman:

i dont know you very well. tell me youre joking:

The curse words I like to use is "YOU FAG". "That is totally gay" "That is the gayest idea I have ever heard" "Shut your cake hole you faggot." "What a bunch of fags." That is my choice of swear word for the following reasons. The word fag or gay sound so reckless. It can get you into a lot of trouble. You can easily antagonize people who are politically correct. You can easily be labeled as homophobic. You can also be mistaken as a redneck/hick or uneducated or retarded or an asshole. However, I really don't have to worry about any of these things in real life. I have a pleasantly intelligent geeky look, especially when I wear glasses. That is something I am born with and used toward my advantage very often. With the different body language applied, you can achieve different effect. It can sound courageous, daring, fearless, or macho, or humourous, or rebellious. Oh yes, it can be awefully insulting too, especially when it is combined with your middle finger and say "you fucking fag". It is excellent for road rage. first, this contradicts your last paragraph. you say fuck/shit can get you mistaken for the uneducated, but then you concede that saying "fag" can as well. what in the fuck?

this is quite politically incorrect and morally repugnant. ill wait for you to say that youre not joking before i say anything else. im hoping that the little big-toothed smilies face at the bottom of your post means that you are.

Nobody ever knows if Joeman is joking or not. It's one of the great unsolved mysteries of the cosmos. I think he just enjoys pissing people off.

Anyways Joeman, look where it got your friend Erin during her flamewar.

"Fag"
"Your point being?"

I actually used this once to get rid of some idiot who was annoying me. The look on his face was funny.

Squid Vicious:

A man after mine own heart. I love the thought of them thumbing through dictionaries to understand my insults.

Originally posted by wet1
As Joeman says it shows lack of creativity and a lack of being able to express oneself adequately. Those people need to return to school and relearn the language. Also how to think and express themselves.

Well arent you two just Speshul. It's nice to know that merely refraining from swearing apparently raises the IQ by a few points... maybe I'll try that sometime.

Originally posted by ubermich
i dont know you very well.
You don't know anyone well, but why don't you imagine your own buddies saying it and tell me you are going to slam him right on the spot.



tell me youre joking:

I was not joking when I posted it, but I am almost always joking when I apply it. As I said before, those are not the words for everyone. They need to be applied correctly and carefully. When you do they definitely beat fuck or shit.



first, this contradicts your last paragraph. you say fuck/shit can get you mistaken for the uneducated, but then you concede that saying "fag" can as well. what in the fuck?

I said it is only useful for a situation like in a road rage, when it is always their fault. You don't see that person ever again unless you are really unlucky.



this is quite politically incorrect and morally repugnant.

True and true. That is why I use it. If I am a saint, I wouldn't be friends with Mallory Knox. If you don't know who she is, do a search on thread "Mallory Knox" or "Moderator". I am responsible for bring her to this forum, although I really didn't expect her to act the way she did.

I use all kinds of jokes - gay jokes, ethnic jokes, blonde jokes, sick jokes....nothing is off limit for me except for those jokes that are not funny at all. For me if a joke is funny, it is not offensive. Only people who can tolerate political incorrectness and have thicker skin can be my friend. Saying those words is a good way to weed out potential friends from acquaintances.

Originally posted by Xev
Nobody ever knows if Joeman is joking or not. It's one of the great unsolved mysteries of the cosmos. I think he just enjoys pissing people off.
A great mystery of the cosmos should remain unsolved, but I don't enjoy pissing people off. I enjoy making people laugh.



Anyways Joeman, look where it got your friend Erin during her flamewar.

A death penalty from sciforums unfortunately.



I actually used this once to get rid of some idiot who was annoying me. The look on his face was funny.


Here is a better line for you. "Hey you fag, why don't you bend over right here and let me fuck you with a strap on".

Originally posted by Squid Vicious


Well arent you two just Speshul. It's nice to know that merely refraining from swearing apparently raises the IQ by a few points... maybe I'll try that sometime.


If you lack the IQ it is difficult to do.

Joeman:

A great mystery of the cosmos should remain unsolved, but I don't enjoy pissing people off. I enjoy making people laugh.

Bah. No enlightened and semi-intelligent person would regard "fag" as an insult.

Of course, "enlightened and semi-intelligent" is saying a lot.


A death penalty from sciforums unfortunately.

No, actually it was her gloating over 9-11 that made me decide to rip her into teeny-tiny little Erin bits. :) That was fun. Especially when Primeval Beauty started describing how she would kill Mallory.

Squid:
Well said. A person's intelligence is not measured by how much they swear, but by the quality of their ideas and their ability to grasp other ideas.

Originally posted by Xev
Bah. No enlightened and semi-intelligent person would regard "fag" as an insult.

Of course, "enlightened and semi-intelligent" is saying a lot.

I want to go back to a point I was trying to make. It takes balls of steel to use the word fag in public, because all it takes is 2 out of 100 people getting offended to get you into a lot of trouble. There are always people like GB-GIL "I am going to report you to the moderator" the brat. He folded like a lawn chair in last flame war, now he tries to get me banned. But anyway, you have to be very good to use the word fag effectively and not getting yourself into trouble.



No, actually it was her gloating over 9-11 that made me decide to rip her into teeny-tiny little Erin bits. :) That was fun. Especially when Primeval Beauty started describing how she would kill Mallory.

She didn't mean it. You were wrong about her in many things like you were wrong about me.

Joeman:

I want to go back to a point I was trying to make. It takes balls of steel to use the word fag in public, because all it takes is 2 out of 100 people getting offended to get you into a lot of trouble. There are always people like GB-GIL "I am going to report you to the moderator" the brat. He folded like a lawn chair in last flame war, now he tries to get me banned. But anyway, you have to be very good to use the word fag effectively and not getting yourself into trouble.

So? I know if I were to start using the word "nigger" I would get my ass kicked within days of starting. Does that mean I am a coward for not saying nigger all the time - actually, at all?

I don't think so. I simply don't use it because it's offensive and racist and I am not such a person.

Well, offensive, but not in that way. ;)

Originally posted by Xev
Joeman:

So? I know if I were to start using the word "nigger" I would get my ass kicked within days of starting. Does that mean I am a coward for not saying nigger all the time - actually, at all?

I don't think so. I simply don't use it because it's offensive and racist and I am not such a person.

Well, offensive, but not in that way. ;)

It totally depends on the circumstance. No it doesn't make you a coward, but it makes you very different if you use it effectively. Sometimes it is so shocking people can't help but laugh. Can you imagine "fag" being used in corporate meeting?

Now the situation with GB-GIL is totally different. If I am in a war I don't believe anything should be off limit. When you fight in a war, you don't see your enemy say "your tanks are too big. That is illegal."

Xev, actually I think you are right. I think over the internet guerrilla warfare is superior over full frontal assault. Sniper rifles beat nukes. Damn!!!! You rock :D

Haha. I am eeeeeeviiiiiiiieal :D

joeman:

Xev, actually I think you are right. I think over the internet guerrilla warfare is superior over full frontal assault. Sniper rifles beat nukes. Damn!!!! You rock
i'm sorry, i'm not trying to insult you or appear condescending by asking, but do you just enjoy pissing people off over the internet and using discriminatory rhetoric because it boosts your ego? purely a question. you did say that you looked nerdy and goofy. i can't imagine what that does to your self-esteem.

in any case, i think you are an idiot if you really are serious about this one.
It totally depends on the circumstance. No it doesn't make you a coward, but it makes you very different if you use it effectively. Sometimes it is so shocking people can't help but laugh. Can you imagine "fag" being used in corporate meeting? okay, even if you are correct that the use of 'fag' is acceptable in some circumstances, those circumstances are almost certainly limited to excursions with beer buddies. corporate meeting? are you fucking kidding? just because "it is so shocking people can't help but laugh."? yeah, they'll laugh, then censure you in private. if you're lucky, you might even get fired.

i dont think its always bad to say stuff like that. the use of this type of rhetoric, racist/sexist words, must be used by the people targetted to change their meaning. it gives them sociopolitical power. "nigger" is now now not necessarily an insult, because blacks have coopted it. even trivial shit like 'yankee doodle dandee' back around the american revolution is an example...

What a fucking great idea, to run an entire fucking thread with such an awesome fucking word.

Ooops it is getting fucking serious.

OR... you could just try being civil, polite, et cetera. Just a suggestion.

"i'm sorry, i'm not trying to insult you or appear condescending by asking, but do you just enjoy pissing people off over the internet and using discriminatory rhetoric because it boosts your ego?"

I wouldn't take that too far. Some of your good friends on here take pleasure in pissing people off.

tyler:

I wouldn't take that too far. Some of your good friends on here take pleasure in pissing people off. ??? well, true. i think a good friend of mine who does this does it for either 1)a much more noble reason because she/he is trying to discover something about his/herself, or 2)bc there is something personal between him/her and the person he/she is pissing off. in any case, i think either of those reasons is better than using 'fag' any chance you get for no real reason at all.

I realize the reason aspect may be in place, but remember - anyone who takes pleasure in attempting to piss someone off on the internet....

Originally posted by Tyler
I realize the reason aspect may be in place, but remember - anyone who takes pleasure in attempting to piss someone off on the internet....

I only take pleasure in pissing off FAGS I don't like over the internet. ;)

Joeman:

"Your tanks are big" ? What, are you trying to pick up women on battlenet again?


Xev, actually I think you are right. I think over the internet guerrilla warfare is superior over full frontal assault. Sniper rifles beat nukes. Damn!!!! You rock

Okay. Whatever you mean by this.

ubermich:

i dont think its always bad to say stuff like that. the use of this type of rhetoric, racist/sexist words, must be used by the people targetted to change their meaning. it gives them sociopolitical power. "nigger" is now now not necessarily an insult, because blacks have coopted it. even trivial shit like 'yankee doodle dandee' back around the american revolution is an example...

*Pulls out standard lecture on the difference between 'nigger' and 'nigga', along with Power Point presentation and pronounciation key, then realizes that ubermich has fallen asleep and the rest of the audience is forming a howling mob*

Suffice to say, there is a difference between the casual "nigga" or "niggah" and "nigger".

Anyways, I suspect that Tyler is trying to refer to me. I piss people off on purpose to watch their reactions. These reactions amuse me. Rather like when a cat catches a moth, and keeps letting it go in order to torment it before the little thing flies away or dies.

Of course this is low, nasty and sadistic. But I enjoy it.

And off topic, I think it takes more balls to be politically correct.

Originally posted by Xev

"Your tanks are big" ? What, are you trying to pick up women on battlenet again?


Naw. There ain't no women on battlenet. There are only chicks with dicks. Twice the fun :D

Joeman:
I think there are people with XX chromosomes on battlenet. :)

*Pulls out standard lecture on the difference between 'nigger' and 'nigga', along with Power Point presentation and pronounciation key, then realizes that ubermich has fallen asleep and the rest of the audience is forming a howling mob*

Suffice to say, there is a difference between the casual "nigga" or "niggah" and "nigger". yes, i dont see how anyone could NOT see this. whats interesting is the differences in meaning between niggah and nigger have very much to do with body language and context as well, not just semantics. if i sauntered in with a big goofy smile on my face and baggy pants around my legs, popped my head back, and spit out a 'whats up nigga?' to a black friend of mine, he would laugh and think me weird. but if i pounded in with grave deliberation, stood tense, stared him in the eyes and called him a 'niggER' he would most likely hit me. the power of body politics manifests itself again :)

sometimes, i really, really wonder if black people as a race (as if there is one stream of consciousness for an entire race of people:rolleyes:) deliberately orchestrated such an ingenious feat as using a word against the society that created it. turning it completely around in meaning...it's now cool to be a nigger, when it obviously was a derogatory term in the 60s.

Anyways, I suspect that Tyler is trying to refer to me.yes, i think so too. i wasnt sure if i should suggest this.

I piss people off on purpose to watch their reactions. These reactions amuse me. Rather like when a cat catches a moth, and keeps letting it go in order to torment it before the little thing flies away or dies. Of course this is low, nasty and sadistic. But I enjoy it. *smiles* beautiful. call it whatever. i think its better than using rhetoric that creates arbitrary social hierarchies and furthers the "oppression of a people" (ugh, i hate that phrase, very cliched and fucking annoying, but true in this case). bc you are basing your faith in people based on outside qualities like sexual orientation.... again, i see more use in what you are doing than in what joeman is doing. of course, i know you better...just from the sound of it, joeman is pissing people off for no fucking reason at all. he gives no thought to power politics or the discovery of an ethics system. ridiculous. he didnt reply to my post...

Originally posted by Xev
Joeman:
I think there are people with XX chromosomes on battlenet. :)

Most people who claim to be women on battlenet are actually guys. That is according to a survey.

ubermich:

yes, i dont see how anyone could NOT see this. whats interesting is the differences in meaning between niggah and nigger have very much to do with body language and context as well, not just semantics. if i sauntered in with a big goofy smile on my face and baggy pants around my legs, popped my head back, and spit out a 'whats up nigga?' to a black friend of mine, he would laugh and think me weird. but if i pounded in with grave deliberation, stood tense, stared him in the eyes and called him a 'niggER' he would most likely hit me. the power of body politics manifests itself again

I have had to explain it many times. Pathetic, really.

Thank Cthulhu, the baggy pants around the legs is going out of style, except in white kids. It was so silly.

But yes, the body is, I think, the most basic unit of power. Think about it. The most primitive - hmph! "primitive" sounds derogatory, "primal" then - expression of power is to force another person to submit to your will.

Money is commodified power, right? And what is the most common way to get money? To exchange physical labour for money.


sometimes, i really, really wonder if black people as a race (as if there is one stream of consciousness for an entire race of people:rolleyes deliberately orchestrated such an ingenious feat as using a word against the society that created it. turning it completely around in meaning...it's now cool to be a nigger, when it obviously was a derogatory term in the 60s

This has happened before, as you mentioned, with the word "Yankee". Also the art term "Baroque" and "Fauvist" were derogatory words that were seized and became words of description.

Hmmm....a linguistic expression of a group's ability to withstand scorn? They adopt the label that the dominent group gives them, and thus gain power by proving that they are stronger than this scorn?


yes, i think so too. i wasnt sure if i should suggest this.

*Shrugs*


*smiles* beautiful. call it whatever. i think its better than using rhetoric that creates arbitrary social hierarchies and furthers the "oppression of a people" (ugh, i hate that phrase, very cliched and fucking annoying, but true in this case). bc you are basing your faith in people based on outside qualities like sexual orientation.... again, i see more use in what you are doing than in what joeman is doing. of course, i know you better...just from the sound of it, joeman is pissing people off for no fucking reason at all. he gives no thought to power politics or the discovery of an ethics system. ridiculous.

I would be unfaithful to my nature to start calling people "fags" or "niggers" to piss them off. I am not such a person who judges due to such shallow things.

People are all fuckers, no matter what race or sexual orientation or gender they are.


he didnt reply to my post...

Joeman, reply to ubermich's post.


Most people who claim to be women on battlenet are actually guys. That is according to a survey.

Well, duh!

Originally posted by Xev
Joeman, reply to ubermich's post.


He said



joeman is pissing people off for no fucking reason at all. he gives no thought to power politics or the discovery of an ethics system. ridiculous. he didnt reply to my post..."


Where? When? How? Why should I respond to baseless charges? He needs to quote me and show me when do I ever piss people off for no reasons at all. How often do I piss people off? There are always obvious reasons.

Unless if he is retarded or something. He said he doesn't know me well, but that is still not an excuse to make things up about me. I thought the best action was to ignore him. I was not in a mood for a flame war at that moment, but now I am.

Oh christ. No flamewars in general phi, keep them to politics.

Joeman, don't reply to ubermich's post.

I say that "fag" is unnecessary. I think it is stupid to insult a person on basis of who they fuck. (As long as they are human - New Zealanders are still fair game).

If you mean it as an insult, you are rather bigoted, which shows intellectual deficiancy.
If you do not mean it as an insult, just to piss people off, well, you are pissing people off for no reason at all.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Originally posted by ubermich the fag
do you just enjoy pissing people off over the internet and using discriminatory rhetoric because it boosts your ego?


Only you. My ego is high enough. It doesn't need any boosting.



in any case, i think you are an idiot if you really are serious about this one.


I already addressed that.


Originally posted by Joeman
I was not joking when I posted it, but I am almost always joking when I apply it.

Does it say I am serious? You are one of those people who love your own voice. You just want to see yourself talk and don't bother reading other people posts.



okay, even if you are correct that the use of 'fag' is acceptable in some circumstances, those circumstances are almost certainly limited to excursions with beer buddies. corporate meeting? are you fucking kidding? just because "it is so shocking people can't help but laugh."? yeah, they'll laugh, then censure you in private. if you're lucky, you might even get fired.

Have you ever been in an corporate meeting? Where? What company? With VP's and senior managers? If I would get fired, why do I still have a job? Oh, I know what goes on behind my back too. I have spies everywhere.

Joeman, I get the feeling you are not listening to what I just said. Let me repeat:

No flamewars in general phi.

Originally posted by Xev
Oh christ. No flamewars in general phi, keep them to politics.

Joeman, don't reply to ubermich's post.

Oops, I just did.



I say that "fag" is unnecessary. I think it is stupid to insult a person on basis of who they fuck. (As long as they are human - New Zealanders are still fair game).

True.



If you mean it as an insult, you are rather bigoted, which shows intellectual deficiancy.

I just did. How often do you see I use it anyway? Like Once? It doesn't matter I use it or not, you already have a pretty good idea on my intellectual capability, which doesn't changes no matter I say it or not.



If you do not mean it as an insult, just to piss people off, well, you are pissing people off for no reason at all.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.
I don't piss people off for no reason at all. It is illogial. I want to be liked by most people, which is normal. I never piss people off for no reason at all. There is always a reason. If I ever did, peoplen need to ge thicker skin.

Originally posted by Xev
Joeman, I get the feeling you are not listening to what I just said. Let me repeat:

No flamewars in general phi.

I always listen to you Xev, but I saw your comment after I pressed the submit button. Should I delete it? I really don't care what he thinks really.

Joeman:
Oh okay....ummm, I dunno. ubermich, do you want to read what he wrote or should I make Joeman delete it?

This is getting strange.


I just did. How often do you see I use it anyway? Like Once? It doesn't matter I use it or not, you already have a pretty good idea on my intellectual capability, which doesn't changes no matter I say it or not.

That would be a flaw, I think, if you honestly feel that a person's sexual orientation really means something about their character.

Originally posted by Xev
That would be a flaw, I think, if you honestly feel that a person's sexual orientation really means something about their character.

Do you think maybe when you use the word under special circumstance, like when you are in a flame war or being goofy, the orginal meaning like a person's sexual orientation can be decoupled from your intention? When say to my friend "shut up you fag". I certainly don't mean he is homosexual or anything. You guys are making a big deal out of this.

Joeman:
Yes, perhaps we are. But you're talking to a woman who takes the trouble to deconstruct porn. Nothing is too trivial!

Originally posted by Xev
Joeman:
Yes, perhaps we are. But you're talking to a woman who takes the trouble to deconstruct porn. Nothing is too trivial!

I don't care as long as you are not one of those people who follow this line of thinking:

Oh his used the forbidden word => he must be a bigot => he must have low IQ => he is a terrible excuse of a human beings => He must also blow goats and eat children.

On the flipside

People you never heard using those words => There is absolutely no way they can be bigoted => they are intelligent => they are nice people => they probably get laid a lot.

this argument is getting anal.
But cool!! i love drama!!


Some of the greatest theorists couldnt argue for a donut.. mm donut..

Originally posted by Agent@5
this argument is getting anal.
But cool!! i love drama!!


Some of the greatest theorists couldnt argue for a donut.. mm donut..

Having too much anal sex makes you anal, but hey I am not the anal one.

hehe thanks for that joe, i guess lol

joeman:


Does it say I am serious? You are one of those people who love your own voice. You just want to see yourself talk and don't bother reading other people posts.???

so let me get this straight, you admit that i dont know you very well:

He said he doesn't know me well... in fact, that i dont know anyone here very well,

You don't know anyone well. and you believe i like to here myself talk? who spends more time on these boards? time injecting words offensive to minority groups into what would otherwise be fruitful conversations, at that?

*rolls eyes* oh sure, go ahead and type out your knee-jerk reaction:

Where? When? How? Why should I respond to baseless charges? He needs to quote me and show me when do I ever piss people off for no reasons at all. of course you do this. the 'fag' example is the only example i need. want to piss off people in rush hour traffic or joke with your buddies? fine. im just curious as to why you have to drag an oppressed minority into it.

hmm, under your logic, its okay for me to drive down I-75 and yell, "im gonna burn you like a dirty kyke in auschwitz, motherfucker!" to the SOB who cuts me off.

Have you ever been in an corporate meeting? Where? What company? With VP's and senior managers? If I would get fired, why do I still have a job? Oh, I know what goes on behind my back too. I have spies everywhere. oh, you work at a corporate office? hmm, which one may i ask?

i need to find out which company makes it a point to hire idiots. *laughts* next youll tell me you work in sales and marketing. *rofl*

Originally posted by ubermich
so let me get this straight
Sorry fag. you can only pretend to be straight.



oh sure, go ahead and type out your knee-jerk reaction:

Kettle meet pot. who is having bigger knee-jerk reaction over my comment? You don't even appear to have read my posts. Or should I put my posts in a word that even YOU can understand?



of course you do this. the 'fag' example is the only example i need. want to piss off people in rush hour traffic or joke with your buddies? fine. im just curious as to why you have to drag an oppressed minority into it.

So all in a sudden you are now a political correctness zealot? Are you too stupid to understand my writings? Does "Use with care" make any sense to you? So what prize are you going to win? A date with your cousin?



hmm, under your logic, its okay for me to drive down I-75 and yell, "im gonna burn you like a dirty kyke in auschwitz, motherfucker!" to the SOB who cuts me off.

What logic is that exactly?



oh, you work at a corporate office? hmm, which one may i ask?

i need to find out which company makes it a point to hire idiots. *laughts* next youll tell me you work in sales and marketing. *rofl*
Nope. Engineering. Top of the food chain. Since I am such an idiot that is why engineers are dime a dozen. People must be stupid to pay engineers big salaries.

Oh. The word Idiot. Isn't that what a left winged liberal nutcase call someone who is normal? Wow. What a complement.

idiot. bigot. racist. I have heard them all.

I don't enjoy pissing you off, but I do enjoy pissing you off.

*laughs* im sorry, youre starting to become incoherent.

you dont even have any warranted arguments at this point, just bland assertions.

*smiles* lets take a look, shall we?

Sorry fag. you can only pretend to be straight.this is fun. hmm, to play your stupid little game, ill go ahead and clarify what "straight" was referring to. "straight" was referring to you and your arguments. thats what people mean when you say something stupid and they respond with a "let me get this straight."

*laughs* and youre the one telling me i dont understand this language?

Kettle meet pot. who is having bigger knee-jerk reaction over my comment? You don't even appear to have read my posts. yeah....are there any warrants at all in this mini-rant? why dont you quote yourself and tell me what im missing? perhaps i am missing something, sorry, i dont spend all day here, i have things to do.

So all in a sudden you are now a political correctness zealot? Are you too stupid to understand my writings? Does "Use with care" make any sense to you? yes, it did. until you defined it as using "fag" in a corporate setting. then i realized we didnt have the same conception of when the use of the word fag is appropriate. thats where the debate has progressed from. why dont you try reading posts? again, language seems to elude your attempts to understand it :)

So what prize are you going to win? A date with your cousin? explain this insult to me better, so i can respond to it. what, fags date their cousins? do you know what a fag is? *laughs*

What logic is that exactly? the idea that you can use oppressive rhetoric 'when you yourself arent racist, sexist, etc.' or whatever.

Nope. Engineering. Top of the food chain. Since I am such an idiot that is why engineers are dime a dozen. People must be stupid to pay engineers big salaries. engineers are top of the food chain? yeah, youre right. they earn more than investment bankers, lawyers, well-paid physicians, etc. *rolls eyes*

Oh. The word Idiot. Isn't that what a left winged liberal nutcase call someone who is normal? Wow. What a complement so we have problems with liberals? oh.....i think i see where youre coming from. i should have noticed earlier. youre an ultraconservative prick. clears things up, thanks.

I don't enjoy pissing you off, but I do enjoy pissing you off.try harder friend of friends :)

Originally posted by ubermich
*laughs* im sorry, youre starting to become incoherent.


tired. I will play your game later.



engineers are top of the food chain? yeah, youre right. they earn more than investment bankers, lawyers, well-paid physicians, etc. *rolls eyes*

How many of those peole start making money at age 22-ish? Physicians' annual compensation don't start exceeding engineers until they are about 40 comparing to engineers at the same age. But they lag behind on all the salaries and stock options when they are younger plus compounding interests.

Engineers are not top of the food chain, but usually are in a company. You were mentioning sales and marketing before. Engineer is above that.

alright break it up, laugh at it and walk away. Neither of u are making any sense anymore... so just let it go.

This is part of an mp3 a friend sent me.

Kyle: I think I know the answer Mr Garrison
Cartman: *irritating voice* I think I know the answer Mr Garrison
Kyle: Shut up fatboy!
Cartman: Hey, don't call me fat you f*cking Jew!

*pauze, baffledness*

Mr Garrison: Eric, did you just say the F-word?

*pauze*

Cartman: Jew?

Kyle: No, he's talking about f*ck. You can't say f*ck in school you f*cking fatass!
Mr Garrison: Kyle!
Cartman: why the f*ck not?
Mr Garrison: Eric!
Stanley: dude, you just said f*ck again!
Mr Garrison: Stanley!
Kenny: *muffled* f*ck
Mr Garrison: Kenny!

Cartman: what's the big deal? It doesn't hurt anybody: f*ckf*ckerdyf*ckf*ckf*ck
Mr Garrison: how would you like to go see the school's councelor?

...

The rest is too rude and off topic.

Originally posted by A4Ever
This is part of an mp3 a friend sent me.

Kyle: I think I know the answer Mr Garrison
Cartman: *irritating voice* I think I know the answer Mr Garrison
Kyle: Shut up fatboy!
Cartman: Hey, don't call me fat you f*cking Jew!

*pauze, baffledness*

Mr Garrison: Eric, did you just say the F-word?

*pauze*

Cartman: Jew?

Kyle: No, he's talking about f*ck. You can't say f*ck in school you f*cking fatass!
Mr Garrison: Kyle!
Cartman: why the f*ck not?
Mr Garrison: Eric!
Stanley: dude, you just said f*ck again!
Mr Garrison: Stanley!
Kenny: *muffled* f*ck
Mr Garrison: Kenny!

Cartman: what's the big deal? It doesn't hurt anybody: f*ckf*ckerdyf*ckf*ckf*ck
Mr Garrison: how would you like to go see the school's councelor?

...

The rest is too rude and off topic.

my point, beautifully summed..... thank you kind sir.

You're welcome :)

http://mconstruct.com/mc/other/

Selection 15: George Carlin's "The many uses of the word Fuck"

Edited for linkificationality incongruence.

Link doesn't work...?

What begins in F,
ends with K,
has four letters,
and when you get tired you can use your fingers? :D

I love a good hard fork.

How the hell do you consider yourself a writer when you can't even spell CS?

He did not write normal books. He wrote "som" books. "Som" books are different from normal books, in that they are written by and for morons.

Of course, the story is still bull.

Umm, nitwit, look at the first page of the thread. Read the link I posted.

Do you think you can do that between remedial english classes?