http://www.exosci.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000152.html

Lets start a debate... First go read that thread, then i suggest reading the bulliten board rules.

It says all fields without an asterik are OPTIONAL, and it doesn't say they hafta be correct or require consent of a third party.

My rights to this board were taken away, along with my cool name. I consider this discrimination because I didn't break any of the rules of the bulletin board.

Please help me get justice,
thx

Also, nowhere does it say that a valid email address is required. Nor does it say that if you were to put an invalid email that it would require the consent of a third party to verify its authenticity.

This entire discussion could have been avoided if you didn't have people like Lenny go and seek out problems. Not that I consider this a problem, I simply consider it to be a mistake made on the part of both Lenny (for bringing it up) and DaveW for not investigating the situation more... he in no way consulted me prior to my termination.

Something else I consider interesting... this discussion sorta goes into copyright issues.

The owner of www.chaos.com (http://www.chaos.com) filed complaints after hearing about the situation from Lenny.

The interesting part is that I am in no way marketing the name chaos.com or recieving any type of financial gain from putting that in my profile.

This falls under the Fair Use Code, I am using the URL chaos.com for non-commercial purposes, therefore no complain should have been filed (unless the owner of chaos.com wanted to make a fool of himself/herself)

I'm not entirely sure, but I could even be in a position to sue exosci for breach of contract and discrimination.

Please do the right thing DaveW

Maybe even invasion of privacy, because I shouldn't have to give correct infomation that is marked as OPTIONAL in the registration area.

I said descrimination because you can't ban me because of OPTIONAL information I put in my profile.

I said breach of contract because exosci breached the registration agreement when nowhere did it say that I require consent of the certain "homepage" in order to put it in my profile.

So I think I have a pretty good case.

Justice Please?

[This message has been edited by chaos1 (edited July 22, 2000).]

I could also probably sue www.chaos.com (http://www.chaos.com) for provoking the action against me. It was my profile and it was my optional information used non-commercially for personal use.

But hey man in your own words it is all pointless So why get so worked up over nothing?????

[This message has been edited by 666 (edited July 22, 2000).]

Because my previously regsitered name, Chaos, continues to be banned... which means:

breach of contract
descrimination
invasion of privacy

To put it simply, I want my name back. Also an apology from exosci.com and chaos.com should be issued.

[This message has been edited by chaos1 (edited July 22, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by chaos1 (edited July 22, 2000).]

This is my story:

Lenny discovered that you had entered the "www.chaos.com" address as your homepage. Lenny saw this as fraudulent information, and proceeded to contact the owner of chaos.com without contacting me. Earlier today, I got an email from the owner of chaos.com threatening legal action against ExoScience if action was not taken. Since I have no mechanism for modifying user profiles (and I don't think it is ethical to do so), my only possible action was to ban the user "Chaos".

I had hoped that I could sort this out with chaos.com, and be able to reinstate your account quickly. Basically, I am in full support of your position. There is nothing fraudulent about linking to another site. I'm totally convinced that linking to another site should be 100% legal. But, when bully tactics are being used against you, there's not much you can do but capitulate.

Since, at the moment, it seems unlikely that chaos.com will be able to understand the situation with any sort of clairvoyance, it seems we will have to remove the link. So, if you agree to change your homepage in your profile, I will certainly unban your account. I think we all deserve an apology from chaos.com

btw... if you had actually included a valid email address, this could have been resolved much quicker.

[This message has been edited by DaveW (edited July 22, 2000).]

Sorry, I am in no way obligated to change my profile information. If legal action is taken against you that is your problem not mine.

You don't hafta worry about them taking legal action because they will have no case whatsoever.

I suggest you unban my account unconditionally because i don't even have www.chaos.com (http://www.chaos.com) in my profile. So www.chaos.com (http://www.chaos.com) has no case at all because i don't have their address in my profile.

Or would you like me to sue? because as I see it, it is well in my favor...

[This message has been edited by chaos1 (edited July 22, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by chaos1 (edited July 22, 2000).]

I didn't give a valid email because i didn't want people using it, so i put in a fake one (which is legal).

If you want people to give valid email addresses you should go into the UBB cp.html and change the general settings so that the user must enter a valid email (this sends the person a random password to that email for verification that it is valid). But you didn't activate that on this bulletin board so that means i dont' hafta give my real email...

I do agree it would have made this situation easier, but I don't feel as though this situation is a valid reason to give out my personal information.

[This message has been edited by chaos1 (edited July 22, 2000).]

Chaos1,

But you belive everything is pointless. Which means you getting so work up is POINTLESS. So calm down bevis theres no need to do anything becuase it is pointless.

Do see how lame your arguments have been?

Oh and just so you know. If you go to a post ware you had the screen name Chaos and click on the "who" icon it does show that yes you did use http://www.chaos.com . However in your new profile under the screen name Chaos1 it shows http://chaos.com . It's right there man. All Dave is asking that you agree to change it in your old profile and you get your old name back, but you chose to act like a jerk.

You DO know you don't have to even fill out your profile, don't you? So if you don't want anybody seeing your personal info or using your e-mail, DON'T LIST ANYTHING!

Duh....

Look sir,
I have been supporting you in the past. However, your ingratitude is irritating me.

Let me remind you of some key phrases from the membership agreement:


we at this BB reserve the right to delete any message for any or no reason whatsoever

I can ban you at any time without reason.


You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless this BB, Madrona Park, Inc. (the makers of the bulletin board software), and their agents with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s).

You are held legally responsible for your actions.


We at this BB also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or whatever information we know about you) in the event of a complaint or legal action arising from any message posted by you.

You are NOT anonymous. I have your IP addresses in the log. It's a trivial matter to contact your ISP and find out who you are.

Also, chaos.com and www.chaos.com (http://www.chaos.com) are the same thing. Don't argue on a trivial technicality. Also, I'm not the one you should be arguing with.

Not that I consider this a problem, I simply consider it to be a mistake made on the part of both Lenny (for bringing it up) and DaveW for not investigating the situation more... he in no way consulted me prior to my termination.

How was I supposed to contact you when you've left a bogus email address??

Also, what investigation could I have done? I was handed a legal threat and forced to act on it. I think the people at chaos.com are (to put it mildly) clueless about internet etiquette, but I'm not going to risk a legal fight.

[This message has been edited by chaos1 (edited July 22, 2000).]

You are NOT anonymous. I have your IP addresses in the log. It's a trivial matter to contact your ISP and find out who you are.
Is this a threat? Let me tell you something, I already know what info you have about me because i use to run a UBB. I know that you can find out who I am by my IP but do i care? If i cared i would use a service like anonymizer.com but I don't.

Let me tell you who I am so you don't hafta waste your time:

I'm 16 years old. I live in Texas. I've first visited exosci.com, I would guess 2 years ago... I first signed up with the name Double Overdrive. I haven't been around forever cause I got a bunch of things going on, but I have return every once in awhile.

I would simply drop everything and forget about your site and you would just lose a visitor. But sometimes someone hasta stand up for whats right. DaveW i'm sorry im "irritating" you, but how do you think I feel?


we at this BB reserve the right to delete any message for any or no reason whatsoever
This part of the agreement describes posts, not profile information. Please DaveW I operated a UBB, I am well aware of the membership agreement.


You are held legally responsible for your actions.
Okay I am confused on why you said this... What actions did I take that would be cause legal implications? None. I have completely abided by all membership rules.


[This message has been edited by chaos1 (edited July 22, 2000).]

DaveW, just unban me and this will all go away. Do you seriously thing chaos.com is going to press charges to get me to change my personal information? That would completely fail in the courts because I have the right to fill the optional area with whatever I want.

Here is an example. Lets say I said: I live in WALMART, TX. And say Lerry went and told walmart that I used their name in my profile. Do you think Walmart would truly consider legal actions? Here are the facts, I USE IT NON-COMMERCIALLY THEREFORE COPYRIGHT DOESN'T APPLY! NEITHER DOES SOMEONES URL! surely chaos.com would get a lawyer that would tell them the same mumbo-jumbo...

So just unban me and forget about chaos.com they can't do jack to you... Otherwise lose a loyal exosci fan for petty reasons.

[This message has been edited by chaos1 (edited July 22, 2000).]

Is this a threat?

No more than your your threat to sue me.


This part of the agreement describes posts, not profile information. Please DaveW I operated a UBB, I am well aware of the membership agreement.

This is why I didn't modify your profile.


Okay I am confused on why you said this... What actions did I take that would be cause legal implications? None. I have completely abided by all membership rules.

I don't give a damn what you do. A.M. Rutkowski from chaos.com ( amr@netmagic.com ) is the one who is after you. I suggest you contact him.

So, I have re-enabled your "Chaos" account. I am sick of this crap I'm taking from both sides. You're aware of the agreement. You are legally responsible for all content you post (including your profile). Chaos.com is free to come after you.

Here are the facts, I USE IT NON-COMMERCIALLY THEREFORE COPYRIGHT DOESN'T APPLY! NEITHER DOES SOMEONES URL! surely chaos.com would get a lawyer that would tell them the same mumbo-jumbo...

I agree with you. I am not the enemy.

thx

[This message has been edited by chaos1 (edited July 22, 2000).]

Thanks DaveW, if they have a problem with it tell them to take it up with me.