Here is a fair forum which is better Republic or Federation, i dont just mean their military i also mean the Senate vs The Federation goverment. And the beauty of their capitals( coruscant vs san fransisco ).

The republic is a country the federation is an alliance, so the republic is more organized and stronger than the federation.

I simply think San Fransisco is more beautiful than Coruscant will ever be, Star Fleet Headquarters, wildlife, the gardens.

I still think Coruscant is pretty neat.

no, the Senate hall, the four moons, the giant spacecrapers, senate dome, Jedi temple, Imperial palace, prophets of the dark side headquarters, and many more artifacts that Federation's San Fransisco can never build. Do Earth have four moons? no! do Earth have giant star destoryers flying around during wars? no! do earth have double sun? no! do earth have busy air traffic ? no! do earth have giant buildings? no! do earth have alot of Jedi knights, and clone troopers policing around to take care of surcuity? do earth have LATT gunships and V Wings flying around? no do earth have a giant military base? no!

no, the Senate hall, the four moons, the giant spacecrapers, senate dome, Jedi temple, Imperial palace, prophets of the dark side headquarters, and many more artifacts that Federation's San Fransisco can never build. Do Earth have four moons? no! do Earth have giant star destoryers flying around during wars? no! do earth have double sun? no! do earth have busy air traffic ? no! do earth have giant buildings? no! do earth have alot of Jedi knights, and clone troopers policing around to take care of surcuity? do earth have LATT gunships and V Wings flying around? no do earth have a giant military base? no!

San Fransisco is in harmony with nature (and is has Cafés, so there argument over).

True about Courscant, but there's more than just buildings to a location. (ISD are beautiful? :bugeye:)

nope Star Wars have Cafes too " i used to have lunch there" Mara Jade Skywalker in New Jedi Order, and it attack of the clones Obi-Wan went in a Cafe. Federation is not a contry, it is simply an ALLIANCE not a COUNTRY. do federation have giant senate halls like the Galactic Republic? no! the federation is simply more curropt than the Republic!
don't get me wrong San Frasisco is very beautiful, but Coruscant is better

This is what San Fransisco should look like
Empire takeing over Earth
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Media/StarDestroyer-Net3.jpg

Here is a fair forum which is better Republic or Federation, i dont just mean their military i also mean the Senate vs The Federation goverment. And the beauty of their capitals( coruscant vs san fransisco ).

actualy Paris is the federation capitol, San Fransisco is just starfleet headquaters

**edit** well it's a little more complicated than that, the federation presidents office is in paris, the federation council (the legeslature) meets in San Fransisco, so it's sort of a dual capital deal
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation_Counciledit>
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Paris


Federation is about equal to the galactic republic in it's approach to state hood.
The United Federation of Planets (commonly referred to as The Federation) was an interstellar federal republic, composed of planetary governments that agreed to exist semi-autonomously under a single central government, and to share their knowledge and resources in peaceful cooperation and space exploration.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/United_Federation_of_Planets

okay but do the federation have a giant Senate hall? no! Do the federation have many planets as the Republic? no! by the way Coruscant is bigger than Paris and San Fransisco. The Republic's Senate is larger and better than the Federation Concil.And the buildings look awfully short to me

i don't know about you but i'd hate to live on a planet that was 100% urban sprawl... might be a cool place to visit, but... i like trees

there is trees, when the Vongforming begun there is ALOT of trees. and if you like trees you would like Kashyyyk

This is what San Fransisco should look like
Empire takeing over Earth
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Media/StarDestroyer-Net3.jpg

I find this image very offending! :bugeye: And Wong made this piece of shit just to piss ST fans off! Has he no pride in the planet on which he lives on!?! Why do you blindly support the galactic empire anyway? I've got news for you, the empire is and should be considered evil.

I don't support the empire, i hate it! i like the jedi, and the Republic. if there is a war it's more likey that the federation is gonna start it not the Republic. Republic never invaded anyone, they simpily defend themselves.

I made my intensions clear that, i hate the empire, so next time don't tell me i am supporting evil, i support the republic, democracy, and the jedi order!!!! i am only using the empire as an example it can be replaced with the flying fortess form Ace Combat, or borg ships, even federation patrol ships.

I have a Darth Vader avantar doesn't mean i like the empire, i like Anakin SKywalker, because he is the chosen one, the sith'ari and the most powerful jedi/Sith evere

Umm, I support the Empire. In fact, I wish Luke would've stayed on his little planet of Tatooine and Obi-Wan should have died in Episode 3.

I think Coruscant is much more beautiful than San Fran. Nature, feh.

Me too, cafe(haha) what a pointless argument, who want a cafe when they have huge resturants and the Imperial palace.

I also have another example of a cafe. In Republic Commando: Triple Zero, the Commandos make their base of operations in a three-floor cafe.

Republic don't need cafes. they have good restraunts.

Like the one that Kal went to in Triple Zero. I'll find the name when I have time. He liked to eat nerf or something there.

Ya, and Dexter's cafe.

Well looks who is winning, Star Trek by far

http://www.fedcommand.org/UFPOldVB/images/splashlogo.gif

Well looks who is winning, Star Trek by far

http://www.fedcommand.org/UFPOldVB/images/splashlogo.gif

It was a tie before you posted.

Star Trek would lose in a straight out fight. The Empire would pounce and suck the resources out of their planets.

Look who's better? Galactic republic
http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/galacticrepublic/img/bts_bg.jpg Symbol
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/f/fic-sw1.gifFlag

Empire's flag looks like a Nazi flag.

Ya, and talk about Sifi politics, Republic is the Ideal democracy, and Federation is currpt.

Empire's flag looks like a Nazi flag.

No that's the republic flag
This is Nazi flag
http://www.earthharvest.org/Free-Clipart-Nostradamus-Astrology-Horoscope/Adolph-Hitler-Banner-Standard-Nazi-Third-Reich-Flag-01LG.jpg
Here is the Empire flag
http://ships.firenebula.com/starwars_demi/images/galactic_empire.jpg
Here is the Republic flag
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/f/fic-sw1.gif
They're diffrent! way diffrent

Federation is actually uniting, unlike the Republic...and the Galactic Senate destruction would be an easy target to destroy the Republic in an instant

Nope, if the senate dome got attacked, the federation is not leaving without geting exterminated by RCs, ARCs, TCs, CCs, and Shock troopers. How many Systems dose the Federation have? a couple hundred. How many systems dose the Repulic have? almost the whole galaxy!( they edventally got the whole Galaxy ) How about the destruction of earth and vulcan?Here is a picture.
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/b/b1/Destruction_of_Alderaan-1.jpeg
That can destory the federation.

How would the UFP get there? The warp is slow as a snail compared to Hyperdrive, and they could pick them up light-minutes away, then one-shot them.

Besides, Coruscant is defended twenty-four seven. Oh, and the Republic or Empire isn't lead by the Senate; Palpatine and Vader rule the Empire. The Supreme Chancellor lead the Republic.


And Skywalker, the Empire's flag in read reminded me of the Nazi arm-patch, but not by much.

How would the UFP get there? The warp is slow as a snail compared to Hyperdrive, and they could pick them up light-minutes away, then one-shot them.

Besides, Coruscant is defended twenty-four seven. Oh, and the Republic or Empire isn't lead by the Senate; Palpatine and Vader rule the Empire. The Supreme Chancellor lead the Republic.


And Skywalker, the Empire's flag in read reminded me of the Nazi arm-patch, but not by much.
Ya, that dose look like it. The imperial palace is not just on coruscant. it is on the DS and coruscant. Coruscant is defened by the Open Circle combined fleet( tens of thousands of Star Destoryers ) so if the federation want to attack, they will be exterminated before landing on Coruscant.

They would be one-shotted before even getting in-system.

Ya, dragon see what is gonna happen to earth in m picture? see that? that can disintergrate the UFP, and it's systems will be scared. Tarkin Doctrine " Fear will keep the systems in line." Grand Moff Tarkin 0 ABY ( ABY= After Battle of Yavin )

I should write a humor fic about this.

'After taking over the UFP in a grand time of two weeks, the Emperor and his lackey Vader joyride the Death Star through the Trek galaxy; they probably will blow up a lot of planets.'

"they can make the superlaser better and they decided to test it on the sun and see if the whole solar system blow up, and the rebles, republic and CIS joined them in their task on advancing the death star, after the solar system they will test it on borg cubes and other borg bases, then Species 8347."

Um, isn't that a paradox? The Empire is the Republic, in a matter of speaking, and the CIS was destroyed. The rebels hate the Empire, they wouldn't help.

There is the CIS renaments.

They were gone by 0 BBY.

O, i thought they survived. Anyways, the Phrophets of the Dark side joined the Empire

Nope, if the senate dome got attacked, the federation is not leaving without geting exterminated by RCs, ARCs, TCs, CCs, and Shock troopers. How many Systems dose the Federation have? a couple hundred. How many systems dose the Repulic have? almost the whole galaxy!( they edventally got the whole Galaxy ) How about the destruction of earth and vulcan?Here is a picture.
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/b/b1/Destruction_of_Alderaan-1.jpeg
That can destory the federation.

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1651668_planetdest.JPG

This could destroy the Galactic Empire.

Yeah, but the Empire just has to kill a half-dozen Species 8472 and they will retreat. Like in Scorpion.

Nothing brings out the sci-lurkers than a good ol nerd debate.

No, if i am Vader, i will order the total desturction of species 8472, that will show the other species how to treat the empire.

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1651668_planetdest.JPG

This could destroy the Galactic Empire.
Nope, it can't do you know how many ISDs are in the imperial navy? millions. they can only destory one at a time, so they can keep seiging.

that explodsion is too weak compared to the Sun Crusher

*yawn*

Debate over this matter is pointless. This is a subjective question, and means that it is open to one's opinion, not facts. Some people might consider a trailer park to be more fantastic than both of the options here combined.

that explodsion is too weak compared to the Sun Crusher

Again, we have had this discussion, EU is not affiliated with Lucas's universe, and is thus not part of its canon, but is part of EU's own canon.

And in DS9, the Dominion tried to destroy Bajor by blowing up the sun.

You just refuted yourself, saying that it is it's own canon. It is. It is C-canon, while Lucas's is G-canon.

Yep.

Republic can just send troops to Deep Space 9 to take Delta Qudrant, Earth Spacedock to take advantage of Earth space, take over Starfleet headquarters or exterminate federation personnal on Starships.
Here is a list of the troops:
100 Dark Jedi
1000 Shawdow troopers
1,000 Alpha-ARC Troopers
10,000 Clone Commandoes
100,000 Clone Engineers
1,000 Heavy Ordance Specialist
2,000 Bioweapons specialist
10,000 Gunners
5 Stromtrooper diversions
212 Jedi
100 Clone Sharpshooters
100 Clone assasins
All Null-ARC troopers
Commander Gree's battlion
Open Circle Combained fleet
Death Squadron
10 Clone trooper diversions
See how you take care of that!

Geez, why are you so obsessed with killing Starfleet personnel? And taking over earth?

Republic can just send troops to Deep Space 9 to take Delta Qudrant, Earth Spacedock to take advantage of Earth space, take over Starfleet headquarters or exterminate federation personnal on Starships.
Here is a list of the troops:
100 Dark Jedi
1000 Shawdow troopers
1,000 Alpha-ARC Troopers
10,000 Clone Commandoes
100,000 Clone Engineers
1,000 Heavy Ordance Specialist
2,000 Bioweapons specialist
10,000 Gunners
5 Stromtrooper diversions
212 Jedi
100 Clone Sharpshooters
100 Clone assasins
All Null-ARC troopers
Commander Gree's battlion
Open Circle Combained fleet
Death Squadron
10 Clone trooper diversions
See how you take care of that!

And how the hell do you plan to get on to starships?

The feds could beam you off as soon as you got on.

And Skywalkerjedi, have you even SEEN star trek? DS9 isn't in the delta quadrant!!!

okay but do the federation have a giant Senate hall? no! Do the federation have many planets as the Republic? no! by the way Coruscant is bigger than Paris and San Fransisco. The Republic's Senate is larger and better than the Federation Concil.And the buildings look awfully short to me

Does the Federation have Senator Jar Jar? No!

(That's pretty much an 'I win' from where I stand.) :D

And how the hell do you plan to get on to starships?

The feds could beam you off as soon as you got on.

the trouble is they have ray shields, you have to been somebody thats unshielded. They can blast a hole and get in the destination. They all have jetbacks and spacetrooper armor.

And Skywalkerjedi, have you even SEEN star trek? DS9 isn't in the delta quadrant!!!

Well how cares, where ever it is it is not in Alpha Qudrant.

Geez, why are you so obsessed with killing Starfleet personnel? And taking over earth?

I might not if they make their shows better!

Well how cares, where ever it is it is not in Alpha Qudrant.

yes it is.

I might not if they make their shows better!

Dude, ST shows are good. Starfleet personnel are people devoted to exploration and diplomacy.

the trouble is they have ray shields, you have to been somebody thats unshielded. They can blast a hole and get in the destination. They all have jetbacks and spacetrooper armor.

SW shields work differently than ST shields, we have no proof that ray shields could stop beaming. And clone troopers do not have sealed suits, at least Stormtroopers don't. And the Feds would seal any hole with a force field of their own.

SW shields work differently than ST shields, we have no proof that ray shields could stop beaming. And clone troopers do not have sealed suits, at least Stormtroopers don't. And the Feds would seal any hole with a force field of their own.

Stromtrooper suck, but not republic troops, Ray Shields can stop anything getting in or out. They have Spacetroopers they can seal hulls.

Dude, ST shows are good. Starfleet personnel are people devoted to exploration and diplomacy.

I would like it if they have more melee weapons and more action insted of talking ( like changng from negotiation to aggresive negotiation ).

100 Dark Jedi
1000 Shawdow troopers
1,000 Alpha-ARC Troopers
10,000 Clone Commandoes
100,000 Clone Engineers
1,000 Heavy Ordance Specialist
2,000 Bioweapons specialist
10,000 Gunners
5 Stromtrooper diversions
212 Jedi
100 Clone Sharpshooters
100 Clone assasins
All Null-ARC troopers
Commander Gree's battlion
Open Circle Combained fleet
Death Squadron
10 Clone trooper diversions
See how the federation take care of that list of troops, that list can wipe out all federation personel on Earth Spacedock.

Stormtrooper suck, but not republic troops, Ray Shields can stop anything getting in or out. They have Spacetroopers they can seal hulls.

You on crack my compadre? Stormtroopers are better. They can hit you at almost impossible ranges, like a body shot from 30 meters while moving. In Episode IV, they are ordered to miss, but look how close their shots are. In a lot of the books they are in, they are very good shots.

100 Dark Jedi
1000 Shawdow troopers
1,000 Alpha-ARC Troopers
10,000 Clone Commandoes
100,000 Clone Engineers
1,000 Heavy Ordance Specialist
2,000 Bioweapons specialist
10,000 Gunners
5 Stromtrooper diversions
212 Jedi
100 Clone Sharpshooters
100 Clone assasins
All Null-ARC troopers
Commander Gree's battlion
Open Circle Combained fleet
Death Squadron
10 Clone trooper diversions
Lets see the equal number of Stromtroopers beat this list. I gotta admit they are pretty good sometimes, i just think RCs and ARCs are better. I said they suck compared to ARCs and RCs, RC snipers are really good. Stromtroopers are good but not compared to ARC trooper and RC. No i am not on crack.

Well, they have Imperial Counterparts to those. Like Storm Commandos, Dark Troopers, etc.

And it's Divisions, not diversions.

Ya, but the RC's and ARC's armor look cooler ( seriously the Imperials should get better armor )

Well, the Imps were all for intimidation factor.

I would like it if they have more melee weapons and more action insted of talking ( like changng from negotiation to aggresive negotiation ).

Melee weapons in ST are simply inefficient.

Except the Klingon, Batleth-Disruptor Pistol combination, that is very efficient (though I do agree that the Lightsaber is waaaaay cooler than any ST melee weapon.

You on crack my compadre? Stormtroopers are better. They can hit you at almost impossible ranges, like a body shot from 30 meters while moving. In Episode IV, they are ordered to miss, but look how close their shots are. In a lot of the books they are in, they are very good shots.

Er, no, stormtroopers do suck.

Wongs claims on stormtrooper armour are simply, and truely lies. Seriously, the storm troopers got their asses kicked by fucking teddy bears!!!

I simply think San Fransisco is more beautiful than Coruscant will ever be, Star Fleet Headquarters, wildlife, the gardens.

I still think Coruscant is pretty neat.

Coruscant may have some architectual beauty, but below everything, it is a metallic, over-indusrtialized, overpopulated wasteland. It would be virtually impossible to house that many people on one planet in which an ecosystem or any other natural structure has been eliminated. I would choose 23rd century San Fransisco over coruscant any day.

Er, no, stormtroopers do suck.

Wongs claims on stormtrooper armour are simply, and truely lies. Seriously, the storm troopers got their asses kicked by fucking teddy bears!!!

The Stormtroopers were winning until Chewie got the AT-ST!

I notice someone put in a Species 8472 reference. Even though Janeway made some headway in making peace with the fluidic universe race, they have not officially allied with the Federation. So (unfortunately) they can't be used in this particular thread.

However, this is not to say that the UFP are without trump cards (outside of clearly superior shielding and transporter beams)...La Forge's deflector weapon would undoubtedly be useful against the largely unshielded Warsie ships (even if the prepared Borg were ready for it). The UFP's clever use of time strategies will of course be of major assistance...and as I've said before in other threads...the ultimate trump card...the Future Federation exists as canon, and thus will always help in a Warsie incursion that threatens their timeline's continuity. It also means that IF a Warsie incursion is part of the timeline, then the Warsies lost.

As to the aesthetics, I'd much rather live in a UFP residential zone/planet (can we say Risa??!!), rather than the overcrowded Coruscant...however, I do acquiesce to the majesty of Warsie buildings...they are impressive...if impractical.

Politics...UFP has that down pat...there is no room in the UFP for dictatorship...as the Warsie Emporer Palpitine succeeded in creating for a time. There is simply no way for such a coup to happen so easily in the UFP.

Melee weapons in ST are simply inefficient.

Except the Klingon, Batleth-Disruptor Pistol combination, that is very efficient (though I do agree that the Lightsaber is waaaaay cooler than any ST melee weapon.

How about lightsaber, and vibroblades ( a tap on the shoulder and your arm is off )

Er, no, stormtroopers do suck.

Wongs claims on stormtrooper armour are simply, and truely lies. Seriously, the storm troopers got their asses kicked by fucking teddy bears!!!

first they are not teddy bears. Watch all the movies carfully, no clone trooper or stormtrooper armor broke once ( execpt the holes made by blasters ) even when they fell kilometers, they died but their armor didn't break.

I notice someone put in a Species 8472 reference. Even though Janeway made some headway in making peace with the fluidic universe race, they have not officially allied with the Federation. So (unfortunately) they can't be used in this particular thread.

However, this is not to say that the UFP are without trump cards (outside of clearly superior shielding and transporter beams)...La Forge's deflector weapon would undoubtedly be useful against the largely unshielded Warsie ships (even if the prepared Borg were ready for it). The UFP's clever use of time strategies will of course be of major assistance...and as I've said before in other threads...the ultimate trump card...the Future Federation exists as canon, and thus will always help in a Warsie incursion that threatens their timeline's continuity. It also means that IF a Warsie incursion is part of the timeline, then the Warsies lost.

As to the aesthetics, I'd much rather live in a UFP residential zone/planet (can we say Risa??!!), rather than the overcrowded Coruscant...however, I do acquiesce to the majesty of Warsie buildings...they are impressive...if impractical.
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Politics...UFP has that down pat...there is no room in the UFP for dictatorship...as the Warsie Emporer Palpitine succeeded in creating for a time. There is simply no way for such a coup to happen so easily in the UFP.

Unshielded large ships? you are on crack, the only unshielded ship is TIE/i starfighters, that is no large ship. Good Stratagy? Anakin's and Thrawn's stratagies are alot better, good stratagies are not effective in Star Wars is because both sides are smart. Republic and so pown the Federation, check the Grand Army of the Republic on the Star Wars wiki. Federation have no dictatorship because there is no force user, if no force user there is nobody with the ability to manipulate people

The Federation have no infantry, they can send ARCs on earth and they can take it over.

first they are not teddy bears. Watch all the movies carfully, no clone trooper or stormtrooper armor broke once ( execpt the holes made by blasters ) even when they fell kilometers, they died but their armor didn't break.

http://www.st-v-sw.net/images/Wars/Episodes/RoTJ/RoTJ-ewokkick-crack.jpg

The armour splits.

http://www.st-v-sw.net/images/Wars/Special/Arrow1/RoTJ-arrow1-21.jpg

An arrow penetrates a stormtrooper's armour.

Coruscant may have some architectual beauty, but below everything, it is a metallic, over-indusrtialized, overpopulated wasteland. It would be virtually impossible to house that many people on one planet in which an ecosystem or any other natural structure has been eliminated. I would choose 23rd century San Fransisco over coruscant any day.

Nah, exeter, go 24th century! Cafes!!!

http://www.st-v-sw.net/images/Wars/Episodes/RoTJ/RoTJ-ewokkick-crack.jpg

The armour splits.

http://www.st-v-sw.net/images/Wars/Special/Arrow1/RoTJ-arrow1-21.jpg

An arrow penetrates a stormtrooper's armour.

Thats a scout trooper, their armor suck. I am talking about Stromtroopers and Clone Troopers not dumb scout trooper armor. There are cloth covering the joints in their armor, arrow can penetrat cloth easily.

Nah, exeter, go 24th century! Cafes!!!

Why do they need cafes when they have giant, luxry restraunts?

would you feel safer if there are ARCs and ships guarding the capital 24/7?

The Stormtroopers were winning until Chewie got the AT-ST!

The storm troopers were beat by rocks and arrows. :p

nota bena that storm trooper is just a rip-off of sturmwaffen which was a Waffen-SS division in WW2.

Thats a scout trooper, their armor suck. I am talking about Stromtroopers and Clone Troopers not dumb scout trooper armor. There are cloth covering the joints in their armor, arrow can penetrat cloth easily.

Funny i thought those were the empires best troops... at least thats what they said in the movie...
when did any troopers fall kilometers?

Funny i thought those were the empires best troops... at least thats what they said in the movie...
when did any troopers fall kilometers?
The Emperor is overestimating that diversion, the 501st, ARCs, and Shadowtroopers are the best troops, not the dumb troops that fought on Endor. Clone troopers fall kilometers in Clone Wars, and Kashyyyk.

The storm troopers were beat by rocks and arrows. :p

nota bena that storm trooper is just a rip-off of sturmwaffen which was a Waffen-SS division in WW2.

Not Republic Clone Troopers, Clone troopers are more supior in my opinion, the tread is called Galactic Republic vs United Federation of Planets not Empire vs Borg or Empire vs Federaion. Watch Clone Wars dude. A squad( a dozen ) ARC troopers can easily kill 100 Federation troopers or Sercruity personnel. ARCs have chaingun blasters, portable heavy laser cannons, a LAAT/i, concussion missle launchers, Rapid firing blaster rifle, mines, and much more equitment. ARCs also have good areobic skills, that can dodge almost anything save a lightsaber. Next time you debate with me, watch clone wars.

I'd say the UFP, there are less slaves in there.,

Not Republic Clone Troopers, Clone troopers are more supior in my opinion, the tread is called Galactic Republic vs United Federation of Planets not Empire vs Borg or Empire vs Federaion. Watch Clone Wars dude. A squad( a dozen ) ARC troopers can easily kill 100 Federation troopers or Sercruity personnel. ARCs have chaingun blasters, portable heavy laser cannons, a LAAT/i, concussion missle launchers, Rapid firing blaster rifle, mines, and much more equitment. ARCs also have good areobic skills, that can dodge almost anything save a lightsaber. Next time you debate with me, watch clone wars.

Clone wars? Isn't that some graphic novel? Anyways, the ONLY thing that should be in this debate is ideas by Gene Roddenberry and George Lucas.

I'd say the UFP, there are less slaves in there.,

From the way I see it, the Republic is nothing more than a simple fascist union. The Federation is free and unrestricted, in addition to having exploration instead of fruitless wars.

From the way I see it, the Republic is nothing more than a simple fascist union. The Federation is free and unrestricted, in addition to having exploration instead of fruitless wars.

yeah, that and it has pretty much no money.

yeah, that and it has pretty much no money.

The UFP or the Republic?

The UFP or the Republic?

UFP, aside from bars of latinum on DS9 (which is a trading station) where have you ever seen money used ?.

I'd say the UFP, there are less slaves in there.,

Tatooin is not in the Republic, the Republic have strict Anti-Slavery laws." the Republic doesn't exist out here, we must surrive on our own. "-Shrim Skywalker. If you have a slave in the Republic the Jedi will give you some troble.

Clone wars? Isn't that some graphic novel? Anyways, the ONLY thing that should be in this debate is ideas by Gene Roddenberry and George Lucas.

Clone Wars is Lucasfilm cartoon.

yeah, that and it has pretty much no money.

What on earth are you talking about. The Republic is alot richer then the UFP. They own almost the whole galaxy. If they have no money, how can they afford the clone army? The Republic have ALOT more money the the UFP.

From the way I see it, the Republic is nothing more than a simple fascist union. The Federation is free and unrestricted, in addition to having exploration instead of fruitless wars.

The Republic is a true demorcarcy, I am talking about the Republic not the Empire, so don't give me the Empire non-sense, i am not even gonna argue about the Empire. Republic have laws, and it is simple to follow. If the Federation is unrestriced there will be no order no laws, no keepers of the peace. The Republic have exploration like Outbound Flight, and Extragalactic Society. The Republic simply defend themself they never started a war, the Clone Wars is started by the CIS. The UFP have wars too like the Domionin War, the Borgs, and many others. I know you are going to say that the UFP if defending it's homeland. So is the Republic. Republic have infantry for defence, but the UFP don't. Technology is used to support infantry not replace it.

What on earth are you talking about. The Republic is alot richer then the UFP. They own almost the whole galaxy. If they have no money, how can they afford the clone army? The Republic have ALOT more money the the UFP.

I meant the UFP. It's the modern day utopia, there isn't much greed either.
It's a much better place to live than the republic.

Why do they need cafes when they have giant, luxry restraunts?

It is the source of power to all humans at the beginning of the workday!

The Republic is a true demorcarcy, I am talking about the Republic not the Empire, so don't give me the Empire non-sense, i am not even gonna argue about the Empire.

If you're not going to argue for the empire, then why do keep showing all of these "Empire invading Earth" pictures? It's really annoying.


If the Federation is unrestriced there will be no order no laws, no keepers of the peace.

What the f*ck! :wtf: Are you on crack!?!


The Republic have exploration like Outbound Flight, and Extragalactic Society. The Republic simply defend themself they never started a war, the Clone Wars is started by the CIS. The UFP have wars too like the Domionin War, the Borgs, and many others.

Dude, the Federation never started a war, the Republic was the first to attack geonosis. I think it's safe to say the Republic fired the first shot.

And stop giving us crap on how you think the UFP is a fucking fascism!


I know you are going to say that the UFP if defending it's homeland. So is the Republic. Republic have infantry for defence, but the UFP don't.

Read this, Federation Ground Combat (http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWground.html).


Technology is used to support infantry not replace it.

Perhaps...

If you're not going to argue for the empire, then why do keep showing all of these "Empire invading Earth" pictures? It's really annoying.



What the f*ck! :wtf: Are you on crack!?!



Dude, the Federation never started a war, the Republic was the first to attack geonosis. I think it's safe to say the Republic fired the first shot.

And stop giving us crap on how you think the UFP is a fucking fascism!



Read this, Federation Ground Combat (http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWground.html).



Perhaps...

Nope, CIS started it by attacking the Jedi and trying to assassinate Padme. I never siad UFP is fascim. The only invading earth pics that inclued Star Wars is Empire Invading Earth, I have no choice. Some ground combat you got there, ARCs can pown them.

It is the source of power to all humans at the beginning of the workday!
What the.......
They don't need cafes, but they do have them. There is Dexter's Cafe, and the Cafe in Republic Commandoes: Triple Zero.

Nope, CIS started it by attacking the Jedi and trying to assassinate Padme. Some ground combat you got there, ARCs can pown them.

They were only doing it in self defence. The jedi had no right snooping around. Padme, I can't remember why they wanted to assasinate padme.

Oh, and comon', Dexter's diner is no cafe.

Yes the Jedi do have the right to do so with the order of the Republic, the CIS is still a part of the Republic when Battle of Geonosis happened " I will not let this Republic that stood for 1000 years to be split in two, my negosiations will not fail."-Suprem Chanceller Palpatine.
There is another cafe, the one in Republic Commandos: Triple Zero.

UFP, aside from bars of latinum on DS9 (which is a trading station) where have you ever seen money used ?.

It isn't really that they are poor...they are commies! :D

Have you noticed that there is a high-ranking Russian guy in ST? Gender equality? Racial equality? That is why the UFP is so much better than the republic. Have you've ever seen a woman in their[Republic] military? Or even a notion of racial equality?

Then of course theres the fact that the Galactic Republic allows slavery, both of sentient droids and humans

It isn't really that they are poor...they are commies! :D

Have you noticed that there is a high-ranking Russian guy in ST? Gender equality? Racial equality? That is why the UFP is so much better than the republic. Have you've ever seen a woman in their[Republic] military? Or even a notion of racial equality?

Yes there are women, there are Jedi Generals such as Shark-Ti. There is racial equailty in the Jedi Order and the Republic, thats why there are Jedis and Senators of diffrent races.

The Republic have Anti-Slavery Laws, Tatooin is not in the Republic
" The Republic doesn't exsit out here, we must surrive on our own. " - Shrim Skywalker ( Anakin's mother )

Starfleet is controled completely by the Starfleet Command so that is very easy to cause dictatorship. Grand Army of the Republic is 50% controled by the Jedi Order and the Jedi Order don't take orders from the Senate.

First of all I would like to see that in the prequel Star Wars episodes: 1,2, and 3; the Republic is referred to as the New Republic. The Old Republic existed during the Sith Wars, and the Galactic Republic existed during the formation of Jedi Knights and Sith Lords. Oh, and the New Republic has better law enforcement to ensure peace. StarTrek; lol, an embarrasment to democracy. YOU SHALL NOT PASS............. my argument, that is....

Uh forceman the republic was never called the "New republic" in any of the prequels, it was just the "Galactic Republic".

Starfleet is controled completely by the Starfleet Command so that is very easy to cause dictatorship. Grand Army of the Republic is 50% controled by the Jedi Order and the Jedi Order don't take orders from the Senate.

Uh, that is a military/exploration branch of the UFP.

If your going to participate in these arguments, I highly suggest you start watching some ST.

Starfleet is controled completely by the Starfleet Command so that is very easy to cause dictatorship. Grand Army of the Republic is 50% controled by the Jedi Order and the Jedi Order don't take orders from the Senate.

Starfleet is not going to do a dictatorship even if command ordered them to, they are under the command of the civilian leadership.

Uh forceman the republic was never called the "New republic" in any of the prequels, it was just the "Galactic Republic".

Look, I have no time to babble on about this minute topic. You say that it is referred to as the Galactic Republic because you no nothing about StarWars so my side has concluded. Continue to watch StarWars vaguely, thinking you KNOW the exact terminology, which I emphasize that you absolutely DON'T:mad:

Uh, that is a military/exploration branch of the UFP.

If your going to participate in these arguments, I highly suggest you start watching some ST.

I do every week.

Starfleet is not going to do a dictatorship even if command ordered them to, they are under the command of the civilian leadership.

So what if the Admirals of the Starfleet decided they will take over?

Look, I have no time to babble on about this minute topic. You say that it is referred to as the Galactic Republic because you no nothing about StarWars so my side has concluded. Continue to watch StarWars vaguely, thinking you KNOW the exact terminology, which I emphasize that you absolutely DON'T:mad:
New Republic is fromed from the Alliance to Restore the Republic ( Rebel Alliance ). It is after the Galactic Empire. Galactic Republic is stronger then the Old Republic and New Republic.

Yes there are women, there are Jedi Generals such as Shark-Ti. There is racial equailty in the Jedi Order and the Republic, thats why there are Jedis and Senators of diffrent races.

What I was talking about was the original IV, V, and VI; but I suppose that will do...

What I was talking about was the original IV, V, and VI; but I suppose that will do...

The Republic didn't exsit in the original series.

The Republic didn't exsit in the original series.

Then...whatever did exist. :)

I do every week.

It certainly doesn't seem so.

So what if the Admirals of the Starfleet decided they will take over?

Tried that. But since the ST captains are uber committed, they couldnt'.

That and that they were influenced by an alien parasite.

Then...whatever did exist. :)
Republic is in the prequal. The Empire is in the sequal.

Tried that. But since the ST captains are uber committed, they couldnt'.

That and that they were influenced by an alien parasite.

how about the high ranking officers in the starfleet want to overthrow the federation concil.

how about the high ranking officers in the starfleet want to overthrow the federation concil.

Can't. There is no reason to overthrow the council, they haven't been brought up disadvantaged or poor, or under the grip of an giant bureaucracy.

Oh my god... Not another one of these threads.

Can't. There is no reason to overthrow the council, they haven't been brought up disadvantaged or poor, or under the grip of an giant bureaucracy.

What if some day the Admirals decided they want to be the dictators?

The Republic can land all troops on earth then take it over, while the Jedi take care of Vulcan.

What if some day the Admirals decided they want to be the dictators?

Why would they ? They know the perils, and have been brought up with everything they need. there are a few bad apples, but the majority of them are good honest men and women.
The way they've been raised. Without money.

Oh, then the Republic can just invade them.

So, this thread isn't about which is a better place to live is it ?..

So, this thread isn't about which is a better place to live is it ?..

No, It includes everything, from living to war.

Republic can just send 100 Ventors to Earth.

What do you guys think?????????

Federation of Star Trek is more realistic than the Republic of Star Wars

If I was rich, I would rather live in the Republic. If I'm going to be a random normal guy, the Federation.

Does the Federation have the small, one-man attack ships necessary to take out the Death Star?

Does the Federation have the small, one-man attack ships necessary to take out the Death Star?

The federation has developed a terraforming device (Genesis) that is about 3 meters long and is able to destroy everything in a very large area of space thus converting all the matter in said area in a lush (but unstable) planet.

The federation has developed a terraforming device (Genesis) that is about 3 meters long and is able to destroy everything in a very large area of space thus converting all the matter in said area in a lush (but unstable) planet.
They don't seem to have the technology any more. Wasn't the only prototype destroyed and the entire research team killed? We certainly didn't see them bust it out when it looked like the borg were about 5 minutes away from assimilating earth, or any other time the federation was in extreme danger.

Does the Federation have the small, one-man attack ships necessary to take out the Death Star?

To answer this question directly, yes, they do. Attack fighters are used to harass the bigger Cardassian and Dominion warships (See DS9).

But since the rebels already destroyed the death star, does it matter?

But since the rebels already destroyed the death star, does it matter?

Nope it doesn't :) Just thought I'd address our friend Acid's question :D

I don't really see why the deathstar should worry about a one-man fighter. I mean, the exhaust shaft is what, like two meters wide? That's no bigger than a womp rat.

They don't seem to have the technology any more. Wasn't the only prototype destroyed and the entire research team killed? We certainly didn't see them bust it out when it looked like the borg were about 5 minutes away from assimilating earth, or any other time the federation was in extreme danger.

Yes, but the federation keeps records and the project was classified at the time so it should be on the federation database if it hasn't been canceled... But this is unlikely. The suncrusher is still better but the UFP has time travel... Hmmm. They are highly outnumbered but with time travel you simply can't lose.

Yes, but the federation keeps records and the project was classified at the time so it should be on the federation database if it hasn't been canceled... But this is unlikely. The suncrusher is still better but the UFP has time travel... Hmmm. They are highly outnumbered but with time travel you simply can't lose.
It doesn't really matter whether or not they are hypothetically able to build another genesis device, since the evidence indicates that they aren't willing to use one even when they are being faced with eminent destruction. If they weren't willing to use it against the borg, why would we think they would use it against the DS, or anything else?

It doesn't really matter whether or not they are hypothetically able to build another genesis device, since the evidence indicates that they aren't willing to use one even when they are being faced with eminent destruction. If they weren't willing to use it against the borg, why would we think they would use it against the DS, or anything else?

They can build it but they don't... Time travel is the key.

Galactic Republic is far better than Federation because they travel around faster, bigger and better ships, fighters, billions of land troops (that the UFP doesnt have), and Jedi or course.

*facehoof*

First, welcome Majorearl12

Second - Be careful what you say and how you throw it around here - this is something that's been debated to death (and this is, honestly, a bit of a thread necro to boot) - none the less, the final determination (in another thread herein the forums) was that the side that wins is almost totally based on how you interpret the "canon" on both sides - if you intentionally low-ball one side and high-ball the other, it's a stomp. If you take visible examples from both (ergo, the Movies for Star Wars and the Episodes for Star Trek) you come out with a very, very close match that could go either way, mostly because the Federation has the superior technology in many respects (shields, weapons, tactics) whereas the Republic (going by the latest era in the movies) has the advantage in quantity, as well as speed and manufacturing.

...the final determination (in another thread herein the forums) was that the side that wins is almost totally based on how you interpret the "canon" on both sides - if you intentionally low-ball one side and high-ball the other, it's a stomp. If you take visible examples from both (ergo, the Movies for Star Wars and the Episodes for Star Trek) you come out with a very, very close match that could go either way, mostly because the Federation has the superior technology in many respects (shields, weapons, tactics) whereas the Republic (going by the latest era in the movies) has the advantage in quantity, as well as speed and manufacturing.
Although I generally agree with this, I think it's hard to argue against the fact that, based on the TV/movie "cannon," the SW faction would have an incredible advantage in speed. SW ships can cross the galaxy relatively quickly (apparently days or weeks), while ST had an entire show based around the premise that it takes many years for a Federation ship to cross such distances. Of course, that's just looking at the Federation, rather than considering the likes of the Borg etc.

Exactly, which is why the timeframe is also important - do recall, within the next 20 years after TNG (according to "All Good Things" I believe it was), Warp Drive had advanced to allow speeds in excess of Warp 15, and TransWarp / Slipstream drives were becoming less of an experiment and more of a realistic way to get around. Not to mention the Ent-D's kickass refit with that heavy phaser cannon XD