I have a problem with all the projections of global doom from the backers of the Man Made Global Warming Religion, I have not found a presentation that includes the Sun, or Water Vapor, in their projections, they all minimize or dismiss these as factors in their forecasts of warming.

Since the world has had far warmer tempretures in the recent past, and far colder tempertures, in recent time who is to say that our present tempertures are the ideal tempreture for the planet, would not longer growing seasons be good for man, would more co2's be good for the growth of plants, they do need co2 for their photosynthesis cycle to give back O2.


Diatomic oxygen (O2) is one of the two major components of air (20.95%). It is produced by plants during photosynthesis, and is necessary for aerobic respiration in animals. It is toxic to obligate anaerobic organisms and was a poisonous waste product for early life on Earth.


Now how do you not take into account the biggest energy producer in the solar system? or that water vapor is 95% + of the green house gasses. The best weathermen can't project the weather 14 day in advance, right know we were suppose to have had 17 named storms, 9 of those were to become hurricanes, and 5 of those were suppose to be 3+ level, I find it funny watching the focus of the news on every tropical depression that brings a little rain, and the breathless anticipation of it going to Hurricane, well so far the only hurricane has been in the Pacific, and it is headed for Hawaii, nothing new for them.


Source: Colorado State University
Date: April 3, 2007
More on: Hurricanes and Cyclones, Severe Weather, Weather, Climate, Global Warming, Storms

Very Active 2007 Hurricane Season Predicted
Science Daily — The U.S. Atlantic basin will likely experience a very active hurricane season, the Colorado State University forecast team announced today, increasing its earlier prediction for the 2007 hurricane season.
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The team's forecast now anticipates 17 named storms forming in the Atlantic basin between June 1 and Nov. 30. Nine of the 17 storms are predicted to become hurricanes, and of those nine, five are expected to develop into intense or major hurricanes (Saffir/Simpson category 3-4-5) with sustained winds of 111 mph or greater

its all lame excuse to get money out of green guys.

its all lame excuse to get money out of green guys.

They don't just target the green guys, they are after everybody's money, and life style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiqzsOaLi8o

lol

...Water Vapor...
As if they can whine but not cry at the same time. ;)

I sense the birth of psychological "water credits". :D

Flossie Fizzles, no bad new to report for the global warming crowd.

Flossie Fizzles, no bad new to report for the global warming crowd.

Here's a refreshing thought. Global Warming is taken seriously by most prominent scientists. That's all that matters. Who cares what the amatuers think:)

Here's a refreshing thought. Global Warming is taken seriously by most prominent scientists. That's all that matters. Who cares what the amatuers think:)
You're one of the "amatuers", right? ;)

Here's a refreshing thought. Global Warming is taken seriously by most prominent scientists. That's all that matters. Who cares what the amatuers think:)

Personally, I don't like the term "global warming." "climate change" is a much more accurate one. Some areas are indeed getting warmer while others are getting cooler. And a single hurricane, or even a single hurricane season is not enough to settle the issue either way. That's just as bad as those isolated temperature readings than caused so much trouble for her when Sandy kept posting them. It's a long-term affair and only long-term averages matter.

I have a problem with all the projections of global doom from the backers of the Man Made Global Warming Religion, I have not found a presentation that includes the Sun, or Water Vapor, in their projections, they all minimize or dismiss these as factors in their forecasts of warming. They do not. Don't be silly - the sun is included, the water vapor carefully handled in several ways, etc.

On of the major predictions of the serious alarmists - the sky is falling subset - is that the extra CO2 warming will greatly increase the water vapor capacity of the air - the average vapor pressure deficit will rise despite increasingly water-filled air - not only feeding back into a warming spiral that kills all the spotted owls and drowns Florida, but preventing rainfall and evaporating lakes, making deserts everywhere.

It's not a choice between sun, water, and CO2. Any solar or water vapor effects will add to and feed back into the CO2 effects. The steadily increasing CO2 concentration driver is the added boost, the new thing, the wild card in the system.

They do not. Don't be silly - the sun is included, the water vapor carefully handled in several ways, etc.

On of the major predictions of the serious alarmists - the sky is falling subset - is that the extra CO2 warming will greatly increase the water vapor capacity of the air - the average vapor pressure deficit will rise despite increasingly water-filled air - not only feeding back into a warming spiral that kills all the spotted owls and drowns Florida, but preventing rainfall and evaporating lakes, making deserts everywhere.

It's not a choice between sun, water, and CO2. Any solar or water vapor effects will add to and feed back into the CO2 effects. The steadily increasing CO2 concentration driver is the added boost, the new thing, the wild card in the system.

Not according to this.


http://www.nov55.com/gbwm.html


A major reason why carbon dioxide cannot create global warming is because more does not mean more. A thick sheet of plastic does nothing more than a thin sheet. An increase in CO2 only shortens the distance for absorption of radiation, which is not an increase in temperature.

Here's a quantitative reason why carbon dioxide does not create global warming:

The sun's energy goes through the atmosphere and strikes the earth's surface.

claimed heat due to atmosphere --- 33°C

95-99% due to various things --- 31.4°C

1-5% due to infrared radiation from earth's surface --- 1.65°C

8% of infrared bandwidth available to CO2 --- 0.13°C

3% of CO2 produced by humans --- 0.0039°C

5% of absorption "unsaturated" for global warming --- 0.0002°C

claimed global warming --- 0.6°C

Explanations — Crunching the Numbers

This means carbon dioxide cannot trap radiant energy near the surface of the earth. To get around this, an obfuscated mechanism is contrived for heat leaving the atmosphere. But it is a miniscule effect in the stratosphere, with little influence over the lower atmosphere.

The 41% Fraud

It's important to realize that radiation from the sun cannot be absorbed by carbon dioxide, because the sun must give off high frequency radiation in the area of visible light, which goes through the atmosphere. Something as hot as the sun cannot give off low frequency radiation, called infrared. This means that the sun's radiation heats the surface of the earth, and then the heat moves from the earth's surface into the atmosphere through conduction, convection, evaporation and infrared radiation. The infrared radiation can be absorbed by so-called greenhouse gasses.


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The supposed 30% increase in CO2 caused by humans is a result of erroneous data, as recent science is showing; and it would not salvage the concept, even if it were true. It never was credible to assume the 1% CO2 which humans add to the air each year accumulates to 30%, while other sources add 33 times that much, and it does not accumulate.


List of Critical Facts


1. Everything in the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas including water vapor which does a hundred times as much of what CO2 does, and in a much more varied way, which totally swamps the miniscule effects of CO2. In other words, a one percent variation in water vapor effect would be equivalent to doubling the CO2 effect.
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2. Oceans regulate CO2 in the atmosphere to the minutest detail.
measurements by Segalstad
This is shown by an El Nino in the Pacific Ocean, which causes CO2 measurements in the air to increase, and then they renormalize when the El Nino disappears. External Link on El Nino
If regulation were not occurring, there would be so much CO2 in the air that life would be impossible, because nothing else defines the amount in the air, and huge quantities have been accumulating in the oceans.
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3. Supposedly, shoulders on the CO2 absorption peaks create global warming high in the atmosphere, because they separate from water vapor peaks; but the shoulders become miniscule, which is why they separate, and the height is in the stratosphere, which doesn't mix with the lower atmosphere.
Stratospheric Hype
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4. Carbon dioxide absorbs radiation in narrow bands, which means most radiation goes around it.
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5. Greenhouse gasses absorb all radiation available to them in short distances, which means more greenhouse gas only shortens the distance of absorption, which is not an increase in heat. The first 20% of the CO2 in the atmosphere does most of what CO2 does.
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6. Very little radiation is emitted from the surface of the earth. It's about 1-5% of the energy, not the 41-115% which is variously claimed. The 41% Fraud
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7. Only the last cycle of emission high in the atmosphere is relevant, because only then do more molecules capture radiation which would not otherwise be captured. But the last cycles are usually too high in the atmosphere to have much effect upon the lower atmosphere.
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8. Climate scientists know that heating caused by CO2 is indeed small, but supposedly it's effect is amplified by a factor of 3 or more by creating more water vapor. If multiplying the heat were possible, it would create thermal runaway, as the heat from the water vapor would also be multiplied. The Water Vapor Fraud
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9. Humans add 3% of the CO2 to the atmosphere, while nature adds 97%. To claim the human addition accumulates, while the nature addition does not is absurd.

10. Oceans are only rising 1.8mm per year (7 inches per century), and sea level will be decreasing, because increased precipitation is causing ice to accumulate over Antarctica. See Oceans Page
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11. The reason why CO2 levels in the atmosphere have been increasing is because warmer oceans release more CO2.
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12. The latest claim is that humans are putting 8.3 giga tons of carbon into the air per year, which is 1% of the 750 giga tons in the air. If one percent per year were relevant, natural variations would have been catastrophic long ago. External Link Showing Past Variations
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13. If the atmosphere were heating, relative humidity would be less, and precipitation would be decreasing; but it is increasing, because oceans are heating, not the atmosphere. Oceans
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14. Oceans heating results in ice over oceans melting faster than expected in addition to increased precipitation. This points to a hot spot in the earth's core heating the oceans, not human activity. See Below
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15. Several years ago, seventeen thousand scientists signed a petition saying humans producing carbon dioxide is not the cause of global warming. But now they are intimidated and afraid to speak out. External Link
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The public has a responsibility in determining whether social realities are based on rationality or fraud. There are highly visible differences. Rationality doesn't look anything like fraud. Rationality includes explanations and evidence. Fraud is forced down peoples' throats without explanations or evidence based on a fake consensus, which is nothing but mob rule.

If global warming was a real threat we'd put sanctions on trade with China. Since its not I think its just another flashy thing for us to watch as other things are going on which we are not suppose to take notice of.

Not according to this.

http://www.nov55.com/gbwm.html If you actually read the specific items in that long list of garbage, you'll find that they don't answer my point - which was that the alarmists and catasprophe predictors, as well as the prudent and sensible, have always taken water vapor etc into account - and that most of them are obviously goofy in themselves.

If you can't see for yourself the nonsensical nature of such claims as this:
7. Only the last cycle of emission high in the atmosphere is relevant, because only then do more molecules capture radiation which would not otherwise be captured. But the last cycles are usually too high in the atmosphere to have much effect upon the lower atmosphere. , at least you shoud recognize that you are postulating a truly vast and comprehensive conspiracy involving the majority of relevant scientists worldwide, formed in just the last ten of fifteen years. Are you sure about that?