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Captain Planet Welcome to sciforums.
I find it hard to believe that there is any possibility that the planet could ever explode. The increase in volcanic activity being one of the arguments against the possibility of such a disaster. I do believe that global warming is a real problem that should be addressed.

The sky has fallen 5 times before. The big one was 251 million years ago. The amount of pollution due to that was probably a 2500 billion times more than what is today. Yet, the planet did not explode! So what is the logic now?

Welcome to Sciforums, Captain Planet! You pose an interesting question. But I have to agree with the others on this one.

It has been discovered that there is a "heat vent" in the Pacific ocean. Something no one really expected to find. It siphons heat into the higher atmosphere and hence dumps heat from the planet. This is not to say that there is no global warming. Only that we absolutely do not know enough about our planet to accurately predict what is happening. Further, this takes on a scale of time that we are still grasping to see. Early projections for Global Warming were slanted towards finding such not toward is it or not.

At the present time something that worries me more than Global warming is that of tectonic activity. Even worse is an area in the midwest near Yellowstone that has shown a slight rise in ground level. About 4". Now you may not be aware of this but in prehistory there was considerable activity in this area. It is getting near due time again. Should such happen from around Nevada to eastren Texas could see a MAJOR erruption. Putting enough dust and particulate matter into the air that we might have a global winter for several years. No, you can not even trust the ground you walk on!

Moral of the story is: Dig deeper, you will find the truth. Dont get swayed by someone who may have a axe to grind...

I can only hope that global warming is a Chicken Little 21st century style, but if it's not we're all gonna be screwed.

Especially when tax dollars are used to build retaining walls...

Most man made pollution do cause health problems for man and damage to food we eat (like fish) and water we drink. That should be regulated and fixed. But saying that man's activities are going to blow up the planet? All the nuclear bombs if exploded will wipe us human beings but leave the Earth for regeneration in a few thousand years. The new species will probably adapt to radiation by having redundant DNA and error correction and other special stuff.

May be in 500 years we will create stuff that could damage the Earth. For now, we are only screwing ourselves. That is what we do best.

I was watching the Discovery Channel on Saturday night and they were showing a core sample of the ocean floor being brought up and displayed the results.

CO2 deposits and changes were prevalant in this long core, which can be used to track the global tempature for the past few million years. At the end of a line graph was a fairly stable straight line, this line is the past 1000 years. They said that the past millenium was an unusually stable period of global tempature change.

Maybe global warming or cooling is enevitable. It all depends on how much volcanic activity there is. CO2 is spued out and redeposited in the oceans. Very complicated, but i'm sure there's a book or site on it.

Just updating you all.

According to NASA which tracks the atmospheric temp year round the average temperature has been fluctuating up and down since 1979 with no discernable pattern.

I.e. It's a natural thing for the climate to change. Nothing we do will "fix" it. There is no "global warming" or "global cooling" it's just "Global Climate Change" such as occures during the day and during the year.

Ben

Very good point. Instead of shouting that the sky is falling, those people should concentrate for clean water to drink (not the dollar per gallon variety) and air to breath and less pesticide filled/ hormone /antibiotic laced food.

I agree.

I too agree. What is not talked about a lot is that we are on the verge of losing the battle to bacteria and viruses. This is because those bacteria and viruses are becoming immune to the antibiotics. When the antibiotics first came on the scene the critters had no defense. Antibiotics are so over used now that those bacteria and viruses That had a brush with these defenses and survived have bred stronger and are now reaching the point of not being fazed by the medicene that we depend on to control them. In the hospitals is the super streph strain which standard doses will not kill. It is attributed to many deaths during a years time. We no longer have other anitbiotics newly developed, coming down the tubes to us. Genetic manipulation may be the last chance we have at present and it is arriving just in time.

during a major east coast heat-wave in 1987 the global warming version some now think of as gospel became accepted, kicking out a few other theories that had been bouncing around for some 25 years previous - like global cooling, for instance.

so urgent was the problem that it was speculated that by the turn of the millenium (last year) portions of the globe could become unihabitable and there could be mass starvations as a direct consequence of human induced global warming unless immediate steps were taken.

well, as we now know, not only were no steps taken but the situation has gotten much worse as far as greenhouse gas production is concerned. and yet...

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in the east, we're coming off the third coolest summer in recorded history.

as for summer last year at the turn of the millenium? it was the coldest.

"hey pop, why's it so cool this year?"

"it's the global warming"

Welcome to Sciforums, JackSpratts. You bring to the table a good point. And it supports what I have said earlier in this thread. That we do not sufficiently understand the makeup of our planet to predict what and how things happen. In my geographical area for two years it has been drier than average. Guess what? This year is normal. I guess when I can walk out the door and stand at beachside I will know global warming is happening. (I live 200 miles inland)

The Earth is drying up! We are losing our atmosphere to outer space. The same happened to Mars, but because of it's lower mass and thus gravity, the process happened much more quickly.

The Earth is becoming a desert. Find some topographical maps and see if you don't come to a similar conclusion. Many rivers and streams are but a whimper of what they were, according to the topographical maps that show where the water ways once were.

There was an article in a science magazine out many years ago that referred to the Earth's atmosphere as extending out (in trace levels) to the moon and beyond. If this is indeed the case, then it is undeniable that the solar winds must be continually blowing much of this atmosphere away into outer space. As this happens, our atmosphere (at the surfrace(sea level)) is likely going to thin out gradually, and I believe that this has been happening from the beginning of the Earth.

If so, then time limitations becomes even more critical for mankind. The exploration of space becomes an absolute necessity.

If there is good documented proof of the rate of atmosphere loss or rate of global warming, I would chance to guess that a theory of "How long before the Earth becomes like Mars" could be developed.

.....later......hs/hs........

As always very good point Howard.
We may have just enough time to develop alternate plan to evacuate Planet earth. It could be a plot for a wonderful story line where a billion peoples memory are stored in a computer and it is heading to a habitable planet in the galaxy. Upon arriving there, the computer replicates human bodies with the stored memory and creates an instant society. There are some holes in the story, I am sure we can plug....

I think we should definately be worrying about the ozone layer, we know that's disapering.

Ozone hole 'set to shrink'
From the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1050000/images/_1050495_ozone300.jpg
The biggest ozone hole yet over Antarctica in October

An international group of scientists is predicting that the hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica will shrink and close within 50 years.
It says a ban on the chemicals that thin the Earth's protective film of gas is showing signs of success and the ozone layer should soon start to repair itself - as long as countries stick to the ban.
The forecast was made following a conference in Buenos Aires, Argentina, where 300 climate scientists scrutinised new data.
But the experts warn that governments must tackle the wider issue of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, if any real progress on ozone is to be achieved.
Montreal Protocol
The prediction is based on evidence that levels of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) in the lower atmosphere are falling.
CFCs break down ozone, the three-atomed oxygen molecule, which shields the surface of the planet from harmful rays.
An international ban on CFCs, once widely used in aerosols, has been in place since 1987, when the Montreal Protocol was introduced.
Scientists studied fresh data at the Stratospheric Processes and their Role in Climate (SPARC) Second General Assembly in Buenos Aires.
'Detailed understanding'
Alan O'Neill, chair of the SPARC 2000 Scientific Committee, told BBC News Online: "Scientists have gained a detailed understanding of how man-made substances (containing chlorine and bromine) destroy ozone.
"We can explain why much more ozone is destroyed over the Antarctic than over the Arctic, and why the ozone hole is bigger during some years than during others.
"The biggest ever ozone hole was witnessed over Antarctica in early October 2000.
"But we are now seeing evidence that the international bans or controls on ozone destroying substances are now taking effect: amounts of these substances are, overall, falling in the lower atmosphere and our prediction is that ozone amounts will recover over the next 50 years or so."
Delayed recovery
The recovery was not likely to start for a few years yet, Professor O'Neill said, and it would not happen steadily because of natural fluctuations in weather patterns from one year to the next.
And a cooling of the lower atmosphere due to greenhouse gas emissions could delay the closing of the ozone hole, perhaps by a decade or so.
Commenting on the report, Brian Gardiner, one of the British Antarctic Survey scientists who discovered the Antarctic ozone hole in 1985, said political will was needed to tackle the other huge environmental issues facing the planet.
"The Montreal Protocol is the first international treaty that holds out the promise of solving a global environmental problem before it becomes a disaster," he told BBC News Online.
"We should learn from that and attack the bigger problem of climate change by achieving intergovernmental agreement to limit the burning of fossil fuels before the consequences of that become a disaster."

I wonder if Ozone hole opens and closes based on activity in solar radiation and other astronomical phenomena rather than man's small contribution of CFCs. I also wonder what happens to the ozone produced by all these Mercury Vapor Lamps?

Just wondering....

You do not have to wonder any longer. I was saving this for some one to come up with the right questions. This also seems an appropiate subject for my 1000th post.

In the last couple of month's it has been discovered that cosmic rays are the culprit that activates the CFC's. A little later I will see if I can not find the article, but it has been some time ago in my reading history as I tend to be a voracious reader. All of this continues to support my stand that we simply do not know as much as we think we do about our planet.

We may really be on a far off tangent about the green house gases that man himself produces as being the next major calamady around the corner after the CFC's. It may well be possible that we flatter ourselves and mother nature has a remedy that we don't know about yet.

On another note in Popular Mechanics a few years ago Ford has developed a raditator that cleans the air as the car is driven. Reducing smog and nitrates. Something to think about. Cleaning the air as you drive.

I assume you want me to congratulate you on your 1000th post. So here it is. I am glad you made it with such quality postings.

CONGRATULATIONS & HAPPY POSTING

Good idea about filters, but its not just the cars.

Then again this is a start.

I'm wondering, why don't we build large air scrubbing plants outside of industral factories or major cities to reduce smog? We just build a huge air purifyer and spread 'em out.

Maybe I said this the wrong way. The cars do not use filters for this job. They use a special blend of metals and electricity to do some kind of ion exchange. You do not have to refill the raditators with anything. This occurs as you drive and the air passes through the raditator.

By the way wet!!!!!!!1, <font color="red"> Congratulations on the Big KiloPost. </font color> <i>"May your future postings at this refuge of literary communication be even more creative and informative with each new day". Well done.

Actually I don't remember when I crossed the thousand mark. :rolleyes: So many different handles........so many deleted posts.......:confused: </i>


It has been brought up by several different ones, that the satellites for recording the ozone levels haven't been up long enough for scientists to really know what is normal for the artic pole areas. The main contention being that ozone holes may have been forming on a regular basis long before man's industrial era. That the technology of recent decades (satellites) does not take into account the possibility that ozone holes may have been forming over the artic poles on a semi-regular basis throughout the Earth's history and that satellite data has no decent historical comparison to base the present theories upon.

There has also been a lot of argument going on about the amounts of ozone destroying chemicals that are spewed out by volcanoes. Over the past couple of decades, there has been an increase in volcanic activity. I have heard that only a few erupting volcanoes can do more damage to the ozone than all of the chemicals produced by mankind.

I think that there are good arguments about the ozone layer on both side of the fence. Personally, I would rather err on the safe side, just in case man made chemicals really are responsible for the ozone hole, but I still have to question the majority view. I always question the viewpoints held by the majority.

wet1:
"On another note in Popular Mechanics a few years ago Ford has developed a radiator that cleans the air as the car is driven. Reducing smog and nitrates. Something to think about. Cleaning the air as you drive".
O' GOD!!!!! Another one of those FORD ideas that I'll have figure a way to bypass to make my HotRod run right!!!! Just when I got good at ripping those damned catalytic converters off the exhaust system, they throw something else at me:confused: !!!

......later.....hs/hs.....

And I read that volcanoes, ocean salt, etc., are not main causes for depletion of the ozone. The largest contributors to this depletion is human use of fossil fuels. Although there are some who would argue any depletion at all, citing how the ozone regenerates itself at a steady pace.

Some scientists say that although volcanoes are capable of injecting HCl into the atmosphere, volcanic eruptions are too weak to reach the stratosphere. And they argue that HCl is extremely water soluble. The HCl from volcanoes would have to be airborne from 2-5 years before it could reach the stratosphere. Since it is water soluble, rain removes HCl from the air quickly. They also cite how there have been no records of significant increases in stratospheric HCl after the most major volcanic eruptions.

Volcanoes can emit aerosol particles, mostly sulfur, but they, too, are quickly eliminated from the atmosphere.

But look out for those cow burps, man.

Signed,
"Heathcare Professional" ;)

Welcome to Sciforums, Eve,

Methane produced by cows is a large contributor to green house gases. Even a larger contributor than cows is termites. They are all over the world, including in our cities and dwellings. Cows can not match the population of termites.

Anytime a volcano can blow several kilotonnes of material into the atmosphere, then you have a good chance of it reaching the airborne as it will linger in the air for some time. We have picked up and detected kerosene above Cailfornia. It is thought that this came from Russian Space launches. There are many other examples that can be citied to support the evidence. But the important thing here is volume. Especially if you have an active year globally for volcanoes.

I have come to my own conclusions about the problems the planet faces of course some of them will be different form what you have heard and will possibly make peple look from new perspectives.

Firstly I use to work for a company that has developed a method for Efficent combustion of certain combustable and ozone gases like Methane.

We would build equipment that would burn landfill gas off at between 1000 and 1200 ºC, our equipment was specifically built to try and maintain a combustion rate that would burn high enough not to cause toxins and low enough not to cause toxins.

Any higher a temperature and an inefficient combustion occurs with nearby gases, any lower and some of those toxins get pumped out into the atmosphere.

This all might sound tricky, but in reality it was far better than what could have occured if the equipment wasn't used at Landfills, large petroleum storage tanks, Petroleum Barges, Mine shafts and even Sewerage treatment.

each of those location might output those fumes through "venting" just because it's cheap... that would me absolutely no destruction of the harmful gases.

The next system that people might use for their cheapness was the "open ended pipe flare" which would burn gases but only at a set velocity, if the landfill tip or tank's back pressure wasn't high enough then the open ended pipe flare would be shut down and the fumes left to build up a back pressure or vented.

This let me know that the thousands of rubbish tips, Old mine shafts and sewerage treatment plants vent or inefficiently combust gases into the atmosphere, and the only reason why they don't upgrade their systems to a better combustion system or a power regeneration system is "...because of the Cost."

Next I noticed that people seem to neglect something about the ozone layer holes, the fact that they are directly over a polar region and an ice cap.

For instance the magnetic poles would force all the atoms/molecules into a particular alignment. Since it's cold at the poles there would be no convection keeping the particles up and you must know of snow blindness, the reality is that the radiation that beams down upon the polar surface is reflected back up, so the ozone isn't just hit by radiation on it's way down but on it's way back up.

What can also be added to the ozone equation is the increase in Frequency equipment i.e. Mobile phones, Digital analogue system etc

All those frequency can attack the ozone from below as the sun attacks it from the top, meaning it's fighting a double battle. So if it thins out we are in trouble left open to radiation and if it thickens we are going to suffer a major climatic change through global warming. (To which some of you have already noted the changes)

As for things we can do... How about catalytic converters in Aircraft to stop them polution at altitude (I noted the experiment that was used to remove a rain cloud, isn't their some way of placing those polymere pellets into the exhaust of a craft?)

I hope thats opend some eyes :D
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Stryderunknown

you guys are worrying about global warming for nothing. Yes, it has been getting a small amount higher in temperature, but if you compare it to the last 500 years, you will actually see that it has gone down quite significantly. Sorry for my lack of pictures and graphs, but i got this information from 20/20 a couple of months ago.

I don't beileve the earth will ever just blow-up or even lose its atomsphere due to solar wind. solarwind Howard is probably our lest concern only if we were to start exploring space then it would become a problem. solar wind has been around for quite a bit of time and still haven't demolshed Venus which is smaller than the earth, so that is nothing to be worried about. About the eath just blowing up i don't beleive it will happen. if massive volcanic activity occurs it will darken our skys blocking the sun and cooling the earth it has hppened beore it will happen again.