... are they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUhKwtw8GYs&feature=related

A very curious video.

Thank you.

If you watch very closely and pause the video, you can possibly make out what you could interpret as possibly ''wings'' on the vehicles, but they are so distant it is hard to make out.

I've seen aircraft creating contrails, trails of high altitude condensation across the sky, on many occasions.

In my opinion chemtrails are an item of contemporary folklore.

I notice that you posted this in the 'ufos' subforum and not in 'conspiracies'. Most chemtrails talk that I've heard seemed to imagine that it was an evil government spraying plot to poison the country for some incomprehensible reason.

Do you think that it's aliens doing it?

I've seen aircraft creating contrails, trails of high altitude condensation across the sky, on many occasions.

In my opinion chemtrails are an item of contemporary folklore.

I notice that you posted this in the 'ufos' subforum and not in 'conspiracies'. Most chemtails talk that I've heard seemed to imagine that it was an evil government spraying plot to poison the country for some incomprehensible reason.

Do you think that it's aliens doing it?

No, not at all. They don't fit in the usual classification of ''alien related UFOlogy.''

I was quite aware within myself they were of earthly origin. Just curious as to the type of aircraft that was being used.

And I certainly don't believe anything is sinister behind chemstrails ;) By studying them I haven't seen anything really too much damaging in the chemistry behind them.

And I certainly don't believe anything is sinister behind chemstrails ;) By studying them I haven't seen anything really too much damaging in the chemistry behind them.

You mean "There is nothing sinister about contrails."

Nope, I meant exactly what I said. Contrails don't last long. Chemtrails do.

Seriously, if you are going to contradict someone, know the difference between your arguement and someone elses.

Nope, I meant exactly what I said. Contrails don't last long. Chemtrails do.

Seriously, if you are going to contradict someone, know the difference between your arguement and someone elses.

The existence of chemtrails has yet to be established.

Nope, I meant exactly what I said. Contrails don't last long. Chemtrails do.

Seriously, if you are going to contradict someone, know the difference between your arguement and someone elses.

There's NO such thing as "chemtrails" except in the sense that they contain some very ordinary chemicals - stuff like water vapor, CO2 and an assortment of unoxidized hydrocarbons. :shrug:

And anybody with even the most basic knowledge of atmospherics are well aware that the duration of contrails vary widely and depend on conditions at the altitude where the jet is flying. Once again: :shrug:

There's NO such thing as "chemtrails" except in the sense that they contain some very ordinary chemicals - stuff like water vapor, CO2 and an assortment of unoxidized hydrocarbons. :shrug:

And anybody with even the most basic knowledge of atmospherics are well aware that the duration of contrails vary widely and depend on conditions at the altitude where the jet is flying. Once again: :shrug:

http://www.examiner.com/strange-mysterious-facts-in-national/contrail-or-chemtrail?fb_comment=32939016

In fact, you know what, I really don't care :) I have absolutely zero interest in chemtrails or contrails, or breadcrumb trails for that matter.

The Examiner? Really? :D


by Barbara Hamilton, Strange & Mysterious Facts Examiner :roflmao:

http://www.examiner.com/strange-mysterious-facts-in-national/contrail-or-chemtrail?fb_comment=32939016

You may as well have linked to The Weekly World News. Are there any conspiracy theories that strike you as unbelievable?

In fact, you know what, I really don't care :) I have absolutely zero interest in chemtrails or contrails, or breadcrumb trails for that matter.

And so you started this thread to show your disinterest? :shrug:

And so you started this thread to show your disinterest? :shrug:

I am interested in the Aircraft, not the Contrails per se for goodness sake. I have been studying the UFO phenomenon for years, so I am well aware of many different types of vehicles. Because I know what a Contrail is to the eye, these types of Contrails in the video was suggesting to me a type of aircraft I had never seen before. I was making it my duty to find out what types of aircraft they were.

I have quite a large interest in biology as well. I suppose the trail of an odd type of slime and attributed it to a new type of snail I had never seen before. Would you automatically assume I am interested in the slime or the snail?

The Examiner? Really? :D


by Barbara Hamilton, Strange & Mysterious Facts Examiner :roflmao:

Yes well, as I said, considering I have absolutely zero interest in them, I really don't care. Perhaps you have wasted loads of your time on the Contrail/Chemtrail debates. I haven't. And I wouldn't. It's pointless and boring.

These are military aircraft flying a controlled test. The objects they are releasing are spinning. They are producing a vapor but it probably is related to the spinning.

They may have been testing chaff dispensers, which are rotating canisters that dispense aluminum foil in sizes that will short out a radar signal.

By using a controlled test like this, photography of the little clouds (maybe CO2, or even nitrogen), they can get a picture of how evenly the canisters are ejecting and, as you see, it is not perfectly even.

The test they are doing may have nothing to do with chaff canisters. But this will help show that some of the military testing may appear so strange to casual observers that these things are often interpreted as something do to with UFOs.

These are military aircraft flying a controlled test. The objects they are releasing are spinning. They are producing a vapor but it probably is related to the spinning.

They may have been testing chaff dispensers, which are rotating canisters that dispense aluminum foil in sizes that will short out a radar signal.

By using a controlled test like this, photography of the little clouds (maybe CO2, or even nitrogen), they can get a picture of how evenly the canisters are ejecting and, as you see, it is not perfectly even.

The test they are doing may have nothing to do with chaff canisters. But this will help show that some of the military testing may appear so strange to casual observers that these things are often interpreted as something do to with UFOs.

Fascinating. Where did you get this information from?

I also like to be traditional in my use of the term 'UFO'. It is often abused in the UFOlogist Culture. I like it to mean simply 'Unidentified Flying Object,' than to attach it to concepts like extraterrestrials to them. It isn't fair to the facts until we know all the facts.

However I am not short in admitting I do believe the idea of it possibly being ET's would answer for a lot of things. Anyway... Yes, I do understand that if someone saw those objects in the video link that they might interpret it as UFO's, and indeed the traditional meaning of UFO could not be more correct. I think in your case, you are meaning the non-traditional meaning, the one UFOlogists (usually amateurs) have adopted to mean UFO=ET.

Just looking at the video content, whilst I said I'd agree many would class it with the non-traditional meaning of UFO's and ET's, it is probably likely worth me mentioning that it still surprises me. I took one look at the video and immediately thought along the lines of a possible military-relation. Definately from our home planet anyway.

The only type of cranks who would immediately look at that and declare we are being visited seem to be not very able to discern very well what is required of a solid UFO arguement, nor aware of the usual conventional UFO catagories. Of course, some of us should know what catagories of UFO's that have been seen, how they act and what to look out for. But if someone see's contrails and don't question this, then they are hardly worth really listening too.

And it's sad, because it's these type of people (and people also who make such a big hype of reptilian aliens, Niburu, Planet frikken X and 2012 that really are bringing the scientific side and the credible people who are worth listening to on the subject down. It probably frustrates me as much as it does a skeptic.)

Fascinating. Where did you get this information from?


Work. Chaff has been around since WWII. You can read about it here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_chaff).

In fact, you know what, I really don't care :) I have absolutely zero interest in chemtrails or contrails, or breadcrumb trails for that matter.

If you have no interest in the debate, just don't use the word chemtrail.
The words contrail and chemtrail are not interchangeable.
A contrail is the trail the jet leaves as you fly off on your holiday, a chemtrail is the trail left by illuminati lizard agents as they poison the earth.

Also, normal aeroplanes emit their contrails, whereas spewing of chemtrails is only done by the aforesaid Saurians.

Very interesting video though.
Some new kind of engine perhaps?

My Uncle is a chemtrail sprayer pilot. He always sends us emails 2 weeks ahead of time what city he is going to spray, so we don't accidentally end up being there at the time of the spray.
If you are interested, I can post his schedule....

Do you ever notice him sneakily turning into a lizard when he thinks you aren't watching?
Does he disappear every May/June time when the Bilderberg conference is taking place?
He may be just joshing of course. Uncles do that.

If you have no interest in the debate, just don't use the word chemtrail.
The words contrail and chemtrail are not interchangeable.
A contrail is the trail the jet leaves as you fly off on your holiday, a chemtrail is the trail left by illuminati lizard agents as they poison the earth.

Also, normal aeroplanes emit their contrails, whereas spewing of chemtrails is only done by the aforesaid Saurians.

Very interesting video though.
Some new kind of engine perhaps?

Why you saying this so late on?

I haven't used that word since, so why you bringing it up again? Looks like you just want to raise the subject again so it can be discussed. :shrug:

Do you ever notice him sneakily turning into a lizard when he thinks you aren't watching?
Does he disappear every May/June time when the Bilderberg conference is taking place?
He may be just joshing of course. Uncles do that.

Joke? A random humor in an otherwise, serious thread?

Are people not supposed to be present when he sprays or something?

in an otherwise, serious thread?

But seriously.... lol....

Why you saying this so late on?

I haven't used that word since, so why you bringing it up again? Looks like you just want to raise the subject again so it can be discussed. :shrug:

This is the second time I've had this discussion this week.
The Thread Title should encapsulate the subject of the thread.
If you have a thread title that talks about "Spewing Chemtrails", it should not be unexpected by you that people think the thread is about Chemtrails.

As I said.
If you don't want to be misunderstood, avoid the word.
If you didn't intend to use it, you have ruined your own thread.
Don't blame me for it.

Why you saying this so late on?

I haven't used that word since, so why you bringing it up again? Looks like you just want to raise the subject again so it can be discussed. :shrug:

Probably because you chose specifically to use it in the title of the thread and THEN later on insisted you knew the difference between chemtrails an contrails.

You never retracted that latter statement - are we now to assume that you now know there is no such thing as chemtrails?

The video in question shows the digital form of skywriting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiASMjBkkiU) (think dot matrix printers). Something is malfunctioning that makes the writing unreadable, but the similarity to successful attempts is too obvious to ignore. It's not quite legible, but it is almost certainly this form of skywriting.

Probably because you chose specifically to use it in the title of the thread and THEN later on insisted you knew the difference between chemtrails an contrails.

You never retracted that latter statement - are we now to assume that you now know there is no such thing as chemtrails?

What a load of crap. I've tried to side step this debate more than making it known that I've heard an Alleged difference. I don't see any point in why it was brought up again, by Cpt. kremmin or yourself.

For a site so heavy upon the psuedoscientific threads, it does a lot to advocate them.

The video in question shows the digital form of skywriting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiASMjBkkiU) (think dot matrix printers). Something is malfunctioning that makes the writing unreadable, but the similarity to successful attempts is too obvious to ignore. It's not quite legible, but it is almost certainly this form of skywriting.

Never heard of it. I will read up on it later.

The video in question shows the digital form of skywriting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiASMjBkkiU) (think dot matrix printers). Something is malfunctioning that makes the writing unreadable, but the similarity to successful attempts is too obvious to ignore. It's not quite legible, but it is almost certainly this form of skywriting.

Thanks Cifo, that is clearly the solution to a puzzling problem.
Though maybe they were writing:
"Die, non-Saurian scum" in lizard language. (joking)

Post Edited. Suggestion that Mister might have fixed ideas removed.
Completely mistaken idea.

Thanks Cifo, that is clearly the solution to a puzzling problem.
Something makes me think that Mister will not accept it.


Why? I am confused by this statement? Needless to say, I haven't even looked into skywriting yet... but why wouldn't I believe it? What do I have to gain in not believing it?

Are you trolling?

Fair point. My feeling was that someone who titled a thread using the words "spewing chemtrails", might continue to think that the aeroplane was doing that.
Seems I'm wrong.
I'll remove the comment.


Could I ask you one question though.
Did you use the word "chemtrail" accidentally, as a synonym for contrail, or did you mean chemtrail, with all the theories that entails.

Some skywriting chemicals (http://www.sullivanproducts.com/Skywritersmokefluids.pdf).

Yes I suppose you could call skywriting chemicals chemtrails,
And they are probably bad for public health,
but when people use the word chemtrail they mostly mean something along the lines of Alex Jones: Prison Planet.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7198198514629240141

If you've never watched him, he's worth listening to.
Sheer paranoid rubbish, but of the best quality.

CONTRAILS, not chemtrails. There's no such thing as 'chemtrails' and only conspiracist woowoos use the term.

It's water vapour mostly. You don't even need a jet engine to produce a contrail, if the atmospheric conditions are right, propeller powered aircraft can produce them too:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/atmosphere/contrails/b17-contrails.jpg

(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/atmosphere/q0111.shtml)

Jettisoned fuel maybe.

Jettisoned fuel maybe.

No. Water vapour, mostly.

CONTRAILS, not chemtrails. There's no such thing as 'chemtrails' and only conspiracist woowoos use the term.

It's water vapour mostly. You don't even need a jet engine to produce a contrail, if the atmospheric conditions are right, propeller powered aircraft can produce them too:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/atmosphere/contrails/b17-contrails.jpg

(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/atmosphere/q0111.shtml)

You never even bothered reading the quality of the posts being exchanged. We've all grasped this rather boring and non-relevant point to this thread.

Fair point. My feeling was that someone who titled a thread using the words "spewing chemtrails", might continue to think that the aeroplane was doing that.
Seems I'm wrong.
I'll remove the comment.


Could I ask you one question though.
Did you use the word "chemtrail" accidentally, as a synonym for contrail, or did you mean chemtrail, with all the theories that entails.

I used it with least education on contrails. I have heard the word chemtrail being used so much, I just assumed it was a real thing. Then when pressured into explaining myself, I probably did pick a bad site to study whatever alleged differenced there was.

I used it with least education on contrails. I have heard the word chemtrail being used so much, I just assumed it was a real thing. Then when pressured into explaining myself, I probably did pick a bad site to study whatever alleged differenced there was.

Thanks Mister. That explains the issue.
I couldn't work out why you used the word.

Nice post though.
It presented quite a mystery,
and then the explanation was blindingly obvious once revealed.
I kicked myself.
Thread's done, I think.

I just assumed it was a real thing. ...I probably did pick a bad site to study

OK, good. Now perhaps you should re-evaluate the validity of some of the other things you hold true, and the sites that gave you that impression?

OK, good. Now perhaps you should re-evaluate the validity of some of the other things you hold true, and the sites that gave you that impression?

Why, I have explained I have practically zero-interest in the chemtrail vs. Contrail debates. My thread wasn't even about the contrail. It was about the aricraft in general, as I explained to someone else here a number of posts back, ''would you assume that I am interested in the snail as a biologist, or the slime it left behind?''

Equally, I study UFO's often. The fact I had seen a craft spewing this odd-looking contrail, I took it upon myself to find the identity of this craft. It was for my own benefit for future reference. I make it my own deal to know such things if I want to hold proper debates on the UFO phenomenon.

You never even bothered reading the quality of the posts being exchanged.

You don't make quality posts.

Stop trolling.

Stop trolling.

You are trolling, you start a thread about 'chemtrails' and then say you aren't interested in them. Troll.

Where exactly in the OP did I say I was interested in chemtrails? Read the OP question!!!!!!!!!!

TROLL

Don't let people wind you up so easily Mister.
Keep a cool head.
As far as I can see, you have explained clearly why you used the word.
That should be enough for other people too.

They arent chemtrails - no consiracy- they are just CONtrails.

They arent chemtrails - no consiracy- they are just CONtrails.

I agree, I don't think there is such things as chemtrails, that is just something that conspiracy nuts invented to worry about. I am surprised that mister would post a question about chemtrails to begin with!:shrug:

I've seen aircraft creating contrails, trails of high altitude condensation across the sky, on many occasions.

In my opinion chemtrails are an item of contemporary folklore.

I notice that you posted this in the 'ufos' subforum and not in 'conspiracies'. Most chemtrails talk that I've heard seemed to imagine that it was an evil government spraying plot to poison the country for some incomprehensible reason.

Do you think that it's aliens doing it?

Exactly! Crazy conspiracy theorists.

I agree, I don't think there is such things as chemtrails, that is just something that conspiracy nuts invented to worry about. I am surprised that mister would post a question about chemtrails to begin with!:shrug:

It was because someone spiked him with the crazy idea that "chemtrails" were more persistant (last longer) than contrails.

As I pointed out, that's just nutty - the time the contrails last is just dependent on atmospheric conditions. Humidity, temperature and windspeed. Ignorance allows near-insanity to creep into anything.

I agree, I don't think there is such things as chemtrails, that is just something that conspiracy nuts invented to worry about. I am surprised that mister would post a question about chemtrails to begin with!:shrug:

The question was not inferring on contrails exactly, read the OP question:

Has anyone ever seen aircraft spewing chemtrails like this before, and if so, what is it?

I have admitted zero interest in the chemtrail vs contrail debate. More then once, twice or three times now. KEEP up with the debates in the thread please!!!

The question was not inferring on contrails exactly, read the OP question:

Has anyone ever seen aircraft spewing chemtrails like this before, and if so, what is it?

I have admitted zero interest in the chemtrail vs contrail debate. More then once, twice or three times now. KEEP up with the debates in the thread please!!!

Regardless of what you call the vapor, the most significant thing I noticed was that the aircraft were flying in tight formation which means military or ex-military, most likely, such as airshow pilots.

I also wondered if these were RPVs since the wings looked fairly broad.

A military aircraft tends to have a lot of reconfigurable payload, so really it could be anything - bleeding fuel, or water - who knows? The folks who posted it seem bored and needing attention. Something shot by at the end, which was why I suggested chaff. If the cartridges were loaded, the sky would have looked like glitter, and they would have been pissed off about the mess in their yard.

I remember noticing this was shot in N Carolina not far from an airfield, and beyond that there's an AFB.

Regardless of what you call the vapor, the most significant thing I noticed was that the aircraft were flying in tight formation which means military or ex-military, most likely, such as airshow pilots.


Yup. I surmised the same.

The aircraft don't "spew" anything, that's just the air condensing in the cold as the aircraft go by. I've seen in millions of times in MI (where we have a lot of precipitation) as well as in Japan (where they also have a lot of precipitation). I haven't seen it in Australia, where it's much dryer.

The question was not inferring on contrails exactly, read the OP question

Indeed it wasn't asking about contrails. You were asking about the non-existent, woo woo conspiracy nutter fabrication, chemtrails.

I then posted a pic that showed propeller driven aircraft creating them, which answered your question, in that NO SPECIFIC aircraft produces them, it's all to do with atmospheric conditions.

You are wasting your life looking at woo woo web sites, instead of learning some science, you do understand that, right?

The story starts innocently in the fertile and long Willamette valley, where avid aviation and farming go hand in hand. The valley is flanked to the west by a low coast range, with the snow-covered Cascade mountains strung to it's eastern foothills.
It was realized by observation, and techniques practiced, that certain jet trails would spread thin across the central valley floor, and after a day or two, would produce rain. This could be made to occur when the conditions were right, and much data was gathered by the OSU agricultural interests.
This is as far as my story goes, as there was a military tint to the story as well, and most likely much experimentation continued in weather manipulation of the battlefield theater front.

Malathion was sprayed over the south bay area of San Francisco at night, by the agricultural interests, combating insect infestation. One slept with the windows closed, and washed the oranges from the backyard tree, before eating.

Indeed it wasn't asking about contrails. You were asking about the non-existent, woo woo conspiracy nutter fabrication, chemtrails.

I then posted a pic that showed propeller driven aircraft creating them, which answered your question, in that NO SPECIFIC aircraft produces them, it's all to do with atmospheric conditions.

You are wasting your life looking at woo woo web sites, instead of learning some science, you do understand that, right?

Actually, I wasted valuable time looking at a woo woo site because someone brought up the chemtrail vs contrail debate up. Personally, I wouldn't have cared remaining ignorant on the subject. Knowing the difference will not improve my life in any great detail.

As I have explained, I have ZERO interest in that debate.

You clearly want to discuss it. Why don't you make a thread on it? I certainly won't waste any more time on the subject!

Personally, I wouldn't have cared remaining ignorant

Listen kid, if you spent more time reading from reputable sources, you wouldn't be so ignorant.

Personally, I wouldn't have cared remaining ignorant on the subject.

And that attitude is why you'll never make a good scientist.

Listen kid, if you spent more time reading from reputable sources, you wouldn't be so ignorant.

Again, I couldn't care less if I had remained ignorant on the subject. Again, it hasn't impacted or changed my life in any drastic way, nor will I be discussing this subject any longer. It is a waste of my time!

And that attitude is why you'll never make a good scientist.

Who would care in normal circumstances
?