Of course I don't believe in anything supernatural, but I was just wondering if anyone thinks they have seen something supernatural. We should get some interesting stories.

Thanks!

Usain Bolt. 100m final. WR. Supernatural!

Define supernatural.

Luckily the dictionary has already done the work for me.

Supernatural:
1. Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
2. Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.
3. Of or relating to a deity.
4. Of or relating to the immediate exercise of divine power; miraculous.
5. Of or relating to the miraculous.

Man, I could really run with this:
Define "natural world"
Define "natural forces"
Define "Deity"
Define "divine powers/divinity"
Define Miracles

But naw, I get the picture ;)

I've never experienced anything supernatural while sober. But years ago I experimented with a lot of drugs, and there were times when I saw things that I would definitely have called supernatural at the time. Now I know it was just the chemicals playing with my mind.

Really good point skaught. I think experiencing something 'supernatural' that you know was due to chemical reactions in your brain, would be a good experience in the sense that when you are possibly faced with someone elses' supernatural claims or you possibly experience non-drug related visions, then you know that it's probably just the brain skipping a beat again like it did when you took the drugs.

Yeah, since I have quit, I've had little blips here and there. I don't buy into the whole "flashback" crap, I think people fake that shit. But sometimes I'll get whats called "euphoric recall". It's like I suddenly can clearly remember what it felt like to be on a certain drug, and the memory is so clear that I almost feel like I'm high on it! But usually as soon as I realize whats going on, it is gone.

It's amazing what the brain can do.

Really good point skaught. I think experiencing something 'supernatural' that you know was due to chemical reactions in your brain, would be a good experience in the sense that when you are possibly faced with someone elses' supernatural claims or you possibly experience non-drug related visions, then you know that it's probably just the brain skipping a beat again like it did when you took the drugs.

And of course these supernatural beings are soooo soooo concerned with us.:D

Well thats why its called supernatural.

I actually died once and was dead for 3 minutes before they revived me. So I gues you might classify that experiance as a "miricle" as I was brought back from the dead.

Fucking Zombie! :O

When I was 12, starting on my first episode of severe depression and going through a spiritual crisis, I went out, knelt in the rain in the yard, and asked if there was any deity out there to please send me a rainbow as a sign of his/her/its'/their existence.
Mind you, the sky was a solid gray overcast, like a bowl of steel.
I closed my eyes and prayed with sincerity and concentration, and when I opened them there was a small rainbow directly where I first opened my eyes towards.

I've mentioned this before.

Rainbows on a rainy day... I don't know if that fits into the definition of supernatural.

If you think of all the people that have asked for signs in the world, the fact that some signs actually happen here and there is to be expect by chance. Especially when all the sign has to be is a rainbow on a rainy day.

Chimpkin was that supernatural event enough to convince you that there was a god? Are you a believer in a specific religion now?

Thanks this is really interesting.

Chimpkin was that supernatural event enough to convince you that there was a god? Are you a believer in a specific religion now?

I'm a very eclectic Pagan with Buddhism mixed in liberally.

I didn't ask who, I just asked if there were any.

The reason I asked for a rainbow on a rainy day is... I figured if the deity didn't have to bend the rules that terribly much, I'd be more likely to get my sign.

:shrug:

chimpkin I see what you mean. I'm way too critical as a person, to believe in god based on just a rainbow though. 'god' would have to do something pretty damn amazing to convince me. But I'm an incredibly critical person, not always a great quality I must admit haha.

I actually died once and was dead for 3 minutes before they revived me. So I gues you might classify that experiance as a "miricle" as I was brought back from the dead.


That was just clinical death and not dead and turned to a skeleton so no that isn't much of a miracle. :cool:

Nope.

Of course I don't believe in anything supernatural...



why did you start this thread? i'm sorry but it doesn't make sense to me that you would ask someone if they've ever seen anything supernatural, and then turn around in the next breath, before they've even had a chance to answer, and say so smugly that of course you don't believe them. what are your intentions here?

Man, I could really run with this:
Define "natural world"
Define "natural forces"
Define "Deity"
Define "divine powers/divinity"
Define Miracles



this is so irritating. get a dictionary ffs; what the hell?

Lori the purpose of this thread is really complicated and devious. It is... wait for it... to find out if people have seen anything they think is supernatural. I said straight away that I wasn't going to believe it was supernatural, so anyone that posts won't have any surprises when I don't believe it was supernatural.

Feel free not to post Lori.

Lori the purpose of this thread is really complicated and devious. It is... wait for it... to find out if people have seen anything they think is supernatural. I said straight away that I wasn't going to believe it was supernatural, so anyone that posts won't have any surprises when I don't believe it was supernatural.

Feel free not to post Lori.

no i'll post, and i'll say that i think you're being a real pompous asshole with the way you've worded this thread, and if i had to guess i'd say your intentions are in line with that as well.

Lori the purpose of this thread is really complicated and devious. It is... wait for it... to find out if people have seen anything they think is supernatural. I said straight away that I wasn't going to believe it was supernatural, so anyone that posts won't have any surprises when I don't believe it was supernatural.

Feel free not to post Lori.

Yeah she's far to judgmental of an overly-religious hypocritical nut job.

She couldn't even read long enough to see that I was joking:



this is so irritating. get a dictionary ffs; what the hell?



Man, I could really run with this:
Define "natural world"
Define "natural forces"
Define "Deity"
Define "divine powers/divinity"
Define Miracles

But naw, I get the picture ;)

I've never experienced anything supernatural while sober. But years ago I experimented with a lot of drugs, and there were times when I saw things that I would definitely have called supernatural at the time. Now I know it was just the chemicals playing with my mind.

Notice above in bold that I answered the question without demanding all the former definitions. See... I was being facetious... Though I wouldn't expect you to understand humorous banter between two people who are obviously much more intelligent than you will ever be.


no i'll post, and i'll say that i think you're being a real pompous asshole with the way you've worded this thread, and if i had to guess i'd say your intentions are in line with that as well.

@ Answers, I would report this if I were you.

Yeah she's far to judgmental of an overly-religious hypocritical nut job.

She couldn't even read long enough to see that I was joking:







Notice above in bold that I answered the question without demanding all the former definitions. See... I was being facetious... Though I wouldn't expect you to understand humorous banter between two people who are obviously much more intelligent than you will ever be.



@ Answers, I would report this if I were you.

you say this, "she's far to judgmental of an overly-religious hypocritical nut job" about me and then recommend answers reports me? who's hypocritical? lmao.

joking or not, your posts were irritating, and i'm entitled to my opinion. that was far from intelligent humor. you thought that was intelligent humor? hahaha. now that's funny. :rolleyes:

I actually died once and was dead for 3 minutes before they revived me. So I gues you might classify that experiance as a "miricle" as I was brought back from the dead.

i dont want to hear that :( but lets settle this did you or did you not see the lights since you were actually dead

No, I have never seen anything Supernatural but if I did, anything could be possible or perhaps probably, including God.

i have not actually 'seen' these..but..

from a search for 'supernatural people'..
X-Files Wiki (http://x-files.wikia.com/wiki/Category:People_with_supernatural_abilities)
The Supernatural World (http://www.thesupernaturalworld.com/)
ZORANOV BLOG (http://zoranovblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/top-10-people-with-supernatural.html)

and this,if you were to see it you would think supernatural..
Ball lightning (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ball+lightning&aq=f)..

Oi some people have gotten aggressive on here. :S

I think that supernatural encounters and the works is limited by that person's knowlege of the world.You can't hallucinate an image of a flower if you didn't know what a flower looks like or see a ghost if you dont know what a ghost is.A Christian with no knowledge of other religions can't possibly have a revelation about Kali and so on.

Insertdeityhere, nice theory but wrong. Which study did you read that informed you that hallucinations are always based on something real? Look at the imagination: "The formation of a mental image of something that is neither perceived as real nor present to the senses." Some people paint flowers, some people paint giant monsters, that doesn't make giant monsters real. And if the brain is capable of forming images that are not based on any sort of reality, when the brain is at its natural state, how much more so can it form those images during a hallucination.

As for Lori, go somewhere else to chuck your tantrum please.

you say this, "she's far to judgmental of an overly-religious hypocritical nut job" about me [] who's hypocritical?

You have proved through your history here that you are judgmental. Calling answers an asshole virtually without provocation in this thread is a perfect example.
You've also made it clear you are overly religious.
You've also made it clear that you are a religious nut job, as all religious fanatics are nut jobs. No offense was meant by these statements, They are just observations of your character. If you take them as an insult, than the problem lies not in my saying them but in your perception of them, and if you take them as an insult, then they must be a sensitive subject for you, which may infer that you are, either consciously or unconsciously aware of these characteristics and in denial of them and therefore sensitive to them. Its the things that hit home that cause us to feel offended.


and then recommend answers reports me?

So report me.


joking or not, your posts were irritating, and i'm entitled to my opinion.

Again, Your perceptions. Obviously you failed to see the fact that they were supposed to be irritating, but also facetious, and therefore humorous. Obviously you failed to get the humor. Which brings us to...


that was far from intelligent humor. you thought that was intelligent humor? hahaha. now that's funny. :rolleyes:

No I actually didn't think it was "intelligent" humor. Just humor. But since you failed to see it as,
supposed to be irritating, but also facetious, and therefore humorous

Then that leads me to believe that it must be above your level of intelligence, therefore making you unintelligent for not getting the simplest of humor called sarcasm.

But if you want to continue making yourself look the fool, be my guest. Your such an easy enough target.

*gets the marshmellows*

That handsome fella in the mirror..

You have proved through your history here that you are judgmental. Calling answers an asshole virtually without provocation in this thread is a perfect example.
You've also made it clear you are overly religious.
You've also made it clear that you are a religious nut job, as all religious fanatics are nut jobs. No offense was meant by these statements, They are just observations of your character. If you take them as an insult, than the problem lies not in my saying them but in your perception of them, and if you take them as an insult, then they must be a sensitive subject for you, which may infer that you are, either consciously or unconsciously aware of these characteristics and in denial of them and therefore sensitive to them. Its the things that hit home that cause us to feel offended.


well said..
Lori..don't get upset at it..it reads more as a challenge for you..

Luckily the dictionary has already done the work for me.

Supernatural:
1. Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
2. Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.
3. Of or relating to a deity.
4. Of or relating to the immediate exercise of divine power; miraculous.
5. Of or relating to the miraculous.

the misunderstanding tend to be two-fold. those who believe in the idea of the supernatural or miraculous is kind of like the idea of believing money can grow on trees or something can come from nothing. on the other hand, the other side can be the other extreme, dogmatic or narrow-minded and think they know everything about the laws of nature/universe or what can or cannot happen.

we just don't know how everything works or can work. there are unexplainable events that happen. it's just that: they are unexplainable at this time perhaps.

i've noticed an extreme form of stupidity as well from thinking camps which deny anything they don't understand at this time as 'impossible' (which they believe is logic) which ironicly is very similar to those who believe dogmaticly that miracles and the supernatural occurs without understanding what it is.

'logic' in itself is useless if you don't have all the information and therefore cannot be applied correctly. think about all the discoveries that have been made where assumptions of 'logic' or what was believed to be impossible had to be reevaluated. for instance, before we didn't think lifeforms could exist in extreme temperatures but now we know they can. this was before it was discovered. but the thing is, before this discovery you would have those who emphatically even make fun of those who pose the idea and ridicule the idea as impossible. this is just an example.

i've noticed that those stuck on logic and science (meaning they believe science has it wrapped up just like bible thumpers) can be just as stupid or have blindspots as those who ignore known and established truths.

both sides can use faulty logic as well. for instance, if one claim of the supernatural or unexplainable has been debunked as a hoax or found out to be some type of misidentification, the skeptics tend to believe that "all" of them are which is just as idiotic. this is because there are so many different types of events and occurences which cannot all categorically be placed under the same category just because they are all 'unexplained'. your house, storage room or garage probably has all types of stuff in it, yet it doesn't mean those objects are all related.

Oi some people have gotten aggressive on here. :S

I think that supernatural encounters and the works is limited by that person's knowlege of the world.You can't hallucinate an image of a flower if you didn't know what a flower looks like or see a ghost if you dont know what a ghost is.A Christian with no knowledge of other religions can't possibly have a revelation about Kali and so on.

Why is it called Kali ? I have heard that before . Like the one still to come ? Is that what the Kali is ? That is strange to Me . Hotel California comes to my mind .

O.K. I seem plenty of shit not easily explained . I had a reoccurring dream that came true down to last detail 7 to 8 years after I first had the dream . I would think that similar situations as of a dream can occur by chance , but this was word for word at a pivotal time in my life . The setting was identical also and the people who I did not know when I had the dreams were identical in the exact same place proportionately . In the dream ( I was about 5 to 6 years old when the dreams started and I was 13 when the dream became a real event . That was way to much to convince me the future has already happened in some weird way . Set in stone .

Was it super natural ? I don't know bout that cause if it happens is it just plain natural ?

O.K. I got one " Me Super Natural Love for all you fucked up Humans . It is supernatural cause if it was only Natural I would not love you all . Hate would be the word of the day if my love was only natural .

Got ya ding dongs

Well I guess you could say I naturally love you if you want cause it was predicted that would . So could it really be super natural then ?

What is supernatural anyway ? What does that really mean . Extra Natural ! Sounds like a good campaign for global greenies to utilize .

Extra Natural organic . It is Super good for you cause it is out of this world tasty for being healthy . Eat your Super Natural Green Beans today ! They will make you a person and one Half . Super People of the future

I don't believe in the supernatural. I think that logic and scientific reason can disprove most of your stories, though I might be wrong for I haven't read any of them.

I don't believe in the supernatural. I think that logic and scientific reason can disprove most of your stories, though I might be wrong for I haven't read any of them.

i hear this a lot but the truth is this type of reasoning is just as blind or ignorant. you may be able to disprove 'some' unexplained events but you can't disprove all of them. again, this is because we just don't know how everything can possibly work. it doesn't mean that it's miraculous in the sense it goes against the laws of nature, it just means we don't fully know how the laws of nature can manifest in every way. this universe can be a complicated place and we tend to think if something is not known at this time or not able to be reasoned with our five senses, that it must be imaginary.

Your blossoming Birch . Yeah I like your posts . They pack a lot in the them . To the point . Realistic points too

i hear this a lot but the truth is this type of reasoning is just as blind or ignorant. you may be able to disprove 'some' unexplained events but you can't disprove all of them. again, this is because we just don't know how everything can possibly work. it doesn't mean that it's miraculous in the sense it goes against the laws of nature, it just means we don't fully know how the laws of nature can manifest in every way. this universe can be a complicated place and we tend to think if something is not known at this time or not able to be reasoned with our five senses, that it must be imaginary.

"Impossible is a word the weak use to justify giving up"
I bet the same thing was said by people who thought rain was tears of God.

I don't believe in the supernatural. I think that logic and scientific reason can disprove most of your stories, though I might be wrong for I haven't read any of them.

Why don't you explain ? Is it electrons protons ? what are they ? the ones that disappear and then show up in unpredictable places by humans vantage points. What kind of magic trick is that ? Not understood as of yet I believe and very mysterious indeed

"Impossible is a word the weak use to justify giving up"
I bet the same thing was said by people who thought rain was tears of God.
Rain is tears of god . Jeeze laweeze . It cries for you so you can eat the bounty of the earths goodness . Don't you have any respect for the world you live on ? It is your Home you know ! Your not a space alien are you ?

Rain is tears of god . Jeeze laweeze . It cries for you so you can eat the bounty of the earths goodness . Don't you have any respect for the world you live on ? It is your Home you know ! Your not a space alien are you ?

I always wanted to think that I was an Alien. I used to think when I was young that I was adopted by my mother, because they found me, on a space ship left behind for us by aliens from a different planned. And when I felt real bad about everything, I would talk to my real parents, my real family in the skies, heh.

Your blossoming Birch .

i will second that..i think he has learned how to communicate alot better since he first showed up...

I always wanted to think that I was an Alien. I used to think when I was young that I was adopted by my mother, because they found me, on a space ship left behind for us by aliens from a different planet.

me too..but it was more of; the aliens ditched me under a rock..
I am not of this world.

Insertdeityhere, nice theory but wrong. Which study did you read that informed you that hallucinations are always based on something real? Look at the imagination: "The formation of a mental image of something that is neither perceived as real nor present to the senses." Some people paint flowers, some people paint giant monsters, that doesn't make giant monsters real. And if the brain is capable of forming images that are not based on any sort of reality, when the brain is at its natural state, how much more so can it form those images during a hallucination.

As for Lori, go somewhere else to chuck your tantrum please.

So quick to say I'm wrong! tsk tsk lol Anyway I didn't read any study, therefore it's just my brain ricocheting around in my skull. Painting a giant monster I'd say would be my brain reconstructing a new type of image out of partial experiences or knowledge that I have acquired.

Oi some people have gotten aggressive on here. :S

I think that supernatural encounters and the works is limited by that person's knowlege of the world.You can't hallucinate an image of a flower if you didn't know what a flower looks like or see a ghost if you dont know what a ghost is.A Christian with no knowledge of other religions can't possibly have a revelation about Kali and so on.

Oh, yes its very possible. Religion has NOTHING to do with God. Idk who Kali is, but if he was a prophet of God he should be a part of the Christian faith in one way or another.

Well if it exists it did a good job of hiding itself.

Interesting ? Going to California by Led Zeppelin .

Going to California with an aching in my heart
trying to find a woman who has never been born

well said..
Lori..don't get upset at it..it reads more as a challenge for you..

i'm not upset. i guess skaught fails to realize that he can apply this overly-verbose, self-indulgent rationalization to my observations regarding the OP and his sense of humor. :shrug:

I saw LeBron James this morning, does that count?

Oh, yes its very possible. Religion has NOTHING to do with God. Idk who Kali is, but if he was a prophet of God he should be a part of the Christian faith in one way or another.

How is it possible? enlighten me please.Kali is a Hindu Goddess, one of the many Gods in the Hindu faith. Blasphemous to the Christian faith my dear.

How is it possible? enlighten me please.Kali is a Hindu Goddess, one of the many Gods in the Hindu faith. Blasphemous to the Christian faith my dear.

i'm a christian, and because of some experience i've had that i do attribute to god, i very much relate to kali. so much so, that if the baby i'm carrying is a girl, i'm going to name her kali.

i don't understand why this is blasphemous. i was under the impression that the hindu belief is that all other religions/faiths are true/accepted, which would include christianity of course.

It's in the 10 commandments, babe. In fact, I think it's the first one.

It's in the 10 commandments, babe. In fact, I think it's the first one.

is that the "no other gods before me" one?

i still don't see how some appreciation of kali would be blasphemous. particularly, as i said, if the hindu religion accepts christianity. you know what i mean? i'm not sure that makes sense.

I thought it was pretty clear, Kali is a non-Christian god. Christianity is also clear about good and evil, but Kali represents a combination of the two, a very anti-Christian concept.

I thought it was pretty clear, Kali is a non-Christian god. Christianity is also clear about good and evil, but Kali represents a combination of the two, a very anti-Christian concept.

um, not when you consider satan it's not. :confused:

if i'm not mistaken, the 1st commandment has to do with ranking or priority. a recognition of a single creator (the father), not the exclusion of any other entities (satan for example).

in regards to my experience, i was told that i was the chosen lady in 2 john, who is a mother of course, according to the scripture. i was also told that i was the woman in rev ch 12, and the tree of life at the end of rev, bearing the kingdom population. again, in all references, a mother. yet it's clear that in these latter chapters, there is mass destruction going on. one could conclude, in order to allow the birth of this kingdom. and i think i've been pretty clear about my sentiments regarding this destruction. during that experience i could not have wanted it more. kali is a mother and a destroyer. she is very much parallel with this woman (women) in the bible.

That's great, Lori, I guess I will get to meet you in hell after all.

That's great, Lori, I guess I will get to meet you in hell after all.

lol..doesn't belief in hell assume a belief in god?

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Who says I believe it?

Who says I believe it?


Originally Posted by spidergoat
That's great, Lori, I guess I will get to meet you in hell after all.

you did..

That's great, Lori, I guess I will get to meet you in hell after all.

no. i already told you, you're coming with me.

is that the "no other gods before me" one?

i still don't see how some appreciation of kali would be blasphemous. particularly, as i said, if the hindu religion accepts christianity. you know what i mean? i'm not sure that makes sense.

Yes, but Christianity does not accept Hinduism, other gods, or other religions:

"You shall have no other gods before Me." Exodus 20:3

“You shall have no other gods before me. DE 5:7

"Do not follow other gods to serve and worship them; do not arouse my anger with what your hands have made. Then I will not harm you.” Jer 25:6

“Son of man, these men have set up idols in their hearts and put wicked stumbling blocks before their faces. Should I let them inquire of me at all?" EZ 14:3

"And I have also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; they will become traps for you, and their gods will become snares to you.’”" Judges 2:3

"...if you by any means forget the Lord your God, and follow other gods... you shall surely perish. As the nations which the Lord destroys before you, so you shall perish, because you would not be obedient to the voice of the Lord your God." Deuteronomy 8:10-20

"You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are around you" Deuteronomy 6:14

“Pay attention to all that I have said to you, and make no mention of the names of other gods, nor let it be heard on your lips." Exodus 23:13

“You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them" Exodus 20:3-6

"Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son." 2john 1:9

"How long, O men, will you turn my glory into shame? How long will you love delusions and seek false gods?" Psalm 4:2

"Blessed is the man who makes the LORD his trust, who does not look to the proud, to those who turn aside to false gods" Psalm 40:4

"This is your lot, the portion I have decreed for you," declares the LORD,
"because you have forgotten me and trusted in false gods." jeremiah 13:25

"O LORD, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in time of distress, to you the nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods, worthless idols that did them no good." Jeremiah 16:19So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 1 Corinthians 8:4

“Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’” Jeremiah 10:11

But their idols are silver and gold, made by human hands.Psalm 115:4

“Gather together and come; assemble, you fugitives from the nations. Ignorant are those who carry about idols of wood, who pray to gods that cannot save. Isaiah 45:20

They lift it to their shoulders and carry it; they set it up in its place, and there it stands. From that spot it cannot move. Even though someone cries out to it, it cannot answer; it cannot save them from their troubles. Isaiah 46:7

Do people make their own gods? Yes, but they are not gods!” Jeremiah 16:20

As you can see above, not only are they not even real, but the mere mention of their names are blasphemous.

There are many many other verses concerning this!

you did..

It's fun to play pretend.

Yes, but Christianity does not accept Hinduism, other gods, or other religions:

"You shall have no other gods before Me." Exodus 20:3

“You shall have no other gods before me. DE 5:7

"Do not follow other gods to serve and worship them; do not arouse my anger with what your hands have made. Then I will not harm you.” Jer 25:6

“Son of man, these men have set up idols in their hearts and put wicked stumbling blocks before their faces. Should I let them inquire of me at all?" EZ 14:3

"And I have also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; they will become traps for you, and their gods will become snares to you.’”" Judges 2:3

"...if you by any means forget the Lord your God, and follow other gods... you shall surely perish. As the nations which the Lord destroys before you, so you shall perish, because you would not be obedient to the voice of the Lord your God." Deuteronomy 8:10-20

"You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are around you" Deuteronomy 6:14

“Pay attention to all that I have said to you, and make no mention of the names of other gods, nor let it be heard on your lips." Exodus 23:13

“You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them" Exodus 20:3-6

"Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son." 2john 1:9

"How long, O men, will you turn my glory into shame? How long will you love delusions and seek false gods?" Psalm 4:2

"Blessed is the man who makes the LORD his trust, who does not look to the proud, to those who turn aside to false gods" Psalm 40:4

"This is your lot, the portion I have decreed for you," declares the LORD,
"because you have forgotten me and trusted in false gods." jeremiah 13:25

"O LORD, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in time of distress, to you the nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, "Our fathers possessed nothing but false gods, worthless idols that did them no good." Jeremiah 16:19So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 1 Corinthians 8:4

“Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’” Jeremiah 10:11

But their idols are silver and gold, made by human hands.Psalm 115:4

“Gather together and come; assemble, you fugitives from the nations. Ignorant are those who carry about idols of wood, who pray to gods that cannot save. Isaiah 45:20

They lift it to their shoulders and carry it; they set it up in its place, and there it stands. From that spot it cannot move. Even though someone cries out to it, it cannot answer; it cannot save them from their troubles. Isaiah 46:7

Do people make their own gods? Yes, but they are not gods!” Jeremiah 16:20

As you can see above, not only are they not even real, but the mere mention of their names are blasphemous.

There are many many other verses concerning this!

gosh skaught, thanks. i would surely burn in hell without you.

in regards to the blasphemy, i'll stick to my guns here and say that as long as hinduism accepts christianity as truth, there is no conflict and there is no blasphemy.

as far as kali is concerned, i've identified with the character in "the lady in the water" too. that doesn't mean i'm worshipping her as a god at all, much less before the creator of the universe (the father).

there are certainly false gods; i believe that. the self being what i see as the most prevalent and well received. money and material possessions would have to be next in line i think. sin is certainly up there. people worship their vanity, pride, and lusts for sure.

but to be reasonable, which religious people aren't necessarily known for, there is more than one way to look at the same thing. and there is more than one way to say the same thing. when i was younger i studied the world's major religions enough to realize that there are obvious truths in all of them, and most of them result in many of the same behaviors (depending on who's using them and why). when comparing them, to me, christianity was the most comprehensive answer. not the most exclusive necessarily; imo that is just the result of practitioners ego. but definitely the most comprehensive, and therefore the final answer if you will.

and it makes the most sense according to my life experience and my environment.

that doesn't mean i can't learn from or appreciate aspects of any other doctrines.

Meanwhile on youtube, a man sings about the supernatural claim made by sam about god healing his mum's eye sight... let's all watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDp6QEKXaFg

O.K. Grateful dead time . Estimated Prophet , All because you are talking about the Kali

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVnjtmgIJfs&feature=related

i'm a christian, and because of some experience i've had that i do attribute to god, i very much relate to kali. so much so, that if the baby i'm carrying is a girl, i'm going to name her kali.

i don't understand why this is blasphemous. i was under the impression that the hindu belief is that all other religions/faiths are true/accepted, which would include christianity of course.

The bible is quite clear that showing any admiration or approval of other deities would indeed go against God's word.I mean speaking the name of other deities is bad enough.(Exodus 23:13) Of course this isn't of concern to Christians that pick and choose which parts to actually follow from the bible.

If Hinduism accepts Christianity as truth then does Christianity accept Hinduism as truth in return? or is this an unfair one way trade?

Of course this isn't of concern to Christians that pick and choose which parts to actually follow from the bible.
yea, it can look like that..its more of which parts make more sense..(IMO)


If Hinduism accepts Christianity as truth then does Christianity accept Hinduism as truth in return? or is this an unfair one way trade?
i only speak for myself..

"You shall have no other gods before Me."

I think God is saying that because he is the creator he is all powerful. So it would be ok to follow the word of someone else because it is of God (as he is the creator of all things on earth, above, and bellow), so long as it fits into the teachings of Jesus. Lets face it, Jesus didn't live in our times, so not all of his words fully apply today.

"Do not follow other gods to serve and worship them; do not arouse my anger with what your hands have made. Then I will not harm you.”

Here I think the point is do not blindly follow someone because they provide something for you, that does not make them all powerful (as only God is such), but to follow someone because they are leading you for the good of man is completly different.

The bible is quite clear that showing any admiration or approval of other deities would indeed go against God's word.I mean speaking the name of other deities is bad enough.(Exodus 23:13) Of course this isn't of concern to Christians that pick and choose which parts to actually follow from the bible.

If Hinduism accepts Christianity as truth then does Christianity accept Hinduism as truth in return? or is this an unfair one way trade?

i only believe in one god...one creator...one "father"...one law. but in the bible there are other spiritual entities, and other persons. some persons that i identify with. so while i would not "worship" kali, i do and can identify with her as i've previously said and as i can identify with many other persons and characters.

like i said, i think there are truths to be found in many things including many religions, and there's more than one way to say the same thing. imo, christianity is the most comprehensive and relevant explanation of my experience, but that doesn't mean i can't benefit from doing yoga or meditating, or that i couldn't get a helpful perspective from some religious text other than the bible, or from art, or from some other person.

if hinduism accepts christianity as truth, then hinduism accepts one creator and law maker as i do, and accepts christ as the savior of humanity, and that's really all that matters.

Originally Posted by Me-Ki-Gal
Your blossoming Birch . ”


NMSquirrel replied:
i will second that..i think he has learned how to communicate alot better since he first showed up...

He? hehe...

i only believe in one god...one creator...one "father"...one law. but in the bible there are other spiritual entities, and other persons. some persons that i identify with. so while i would not "worship" kali, i do and can identify with her as i've previously said and as i can identify with many other persons and characters.

like i said, i think there are truths to be found in many things including many religions, and there's more than one way to say the same thing. imo, christianity is the most comprehensive and relevant explanation of my experience, but that doesn't mean i can't benefit from doing yoga or meditating, or that i couldn't get a helpful perspective from some religious text other than the bible, or from art, or from some other person.

if hinduism accepts christianity as truth, then hinduism accepts one creator and law maker as i do, and accepts christ as the savior of humanity, and that's really all that matters.



I love how religious people can twist their religion to fit whatever they want to believe.

this is so irritating. get a dictionary ffs; what the hell?

Amazing, you have a mental aberration and call it 'God', but can't see that others might have slightly more personal and less grandiose interpretations these words?

You really _do_ need to get your head examined.

in regards to the blasphemy, i'll stick to my guns here and say that as long as hinduism accepts christianity as truth, there is no conflict and there is no blasphemy.

But you aren't a Hindu.

So you are committing blasphemy.

I love how religious people can twist their religion to fit whatever they want to believe.

religion tries to make it a math formula..(do this, get that)

why don't atheist listen when a believer explains it in such a way as to NOT make it a math formula.:shrug:
(pry cause then the atheist wouldn't have anything to argue with..:shrug:)

religion tries to make it a math formula..(do this, get that)

why don't atheist listen when a believer explains it in such a way as to NOT make it a math formula.:shrug:
(pry cause then the atheist wouldn't have anything to argue with..:shrug:)
Or maybe it's because no two believers seem to believe the same thing. Makes me think that y'all are just making it up as you go along.

But you aren't a Hindu.

So you are committing blasphemy.

I know, right? It doesn't matter what other religions think of Christianity, their beliefs aren't binding to Christians. Nazis also thought their beliefs were compatible with Christianity, so does that mean Christianity approves of Nazism?

I know, right? It doesn't matter what other religions think of Christianity, their beliefs aren't binding to Christians. Nazis also thought their beliefs were compatible with Christianity, so does that mean Christianity approves of Nazism?

I loled...

I actually have more respect for a religious person who follows the tenets of their religion, than a religious person who picks and chooses the things about their religion that they will believe in. Especially with Christians due to the very nature of Christianity... Just seems so... Silly and hypocritical.

But you aren't a Hindu.

So you are committing blasphemy.

That's ridiculous. The only reason to be that close minded and stupid is fear, which is the opposite of faith. People make a religion out of anything. The stupidest things sometimes I think. Worshipping a creator is nothing more than a reverence for whats right. You can't do that without knowledge, which is not attained through fear or by sticking your head in the sand or living inside a box. People who subscribe to the mentality you're suggesting are afraid of everything...history, philosophy, literature, art, music, education, other people, other cultures, and are therefore retarded. That's not me and I don't have much respect for people like that.

I love how religious people can twist their religion to fit whatever they want to believe.

Nothing I said was twisted or contradicts anything within Christianity. You're simply threatened by any rational perspective regarding faith. That's no one's problem but yours.

Or maybe it's because no two believers seem to believe the same thing. Makes me think that y'all are just making it up as you go along.

that's what i mean..atheist (theist also..) tend to make it about the rules, as soon as a rule gets passed into law..the choice is no longer there.(with respect to consequence)..

sorry..its hard to answer that without getting into a rant..

ppl want hard answers.they/we want 'do this,get that', it makes it so much simpler,makes it so one doesn't have to be responsible..why should one think about whether one can or can't do 'X', they won't let them do it anyway, so why should one expend ones thoughts on something one has no control of anyway? (see the danger?)

religion tries to make it a math formula..(do this, get that)

why don't atheist listen when a believer explains it in such a way as to NOT make it a math formula.:shrug:
(pry cause then the atheist wouldn't have anything to argue with..:shrug:)

I am a mediocre mathematician. I do listen to theist explanations and I do not ask questions just because I like to argue.I do my best to understand the views of others, problem is that so far every believer I've encountered has a very different story to tell about supposedly the same faith.It's total confusion.

If it is all by personal experience and simply following whatever parts of a book I want to follow then anything and everything goes. Maybe this means that I am where I am suppose to be since I've never experienced anything supernatural or maybe I am not special to any deity like you are. :shrug:

For those that can't wait for humanity to be destroyed/eternal tortured, I'd say you are far worse than any terrorist wanting the annihilation of a nation.

problem is that so far every believer I've encountered has a very different story to tell about supposedly the same faith.It's total confusion.
look for the common denominators..make up your own mind..

If it is all by personal experience and simply following whatever parts of a book I want to follow then anything and everything goes.
good..that's a good start..better some than none..let the rest speak to you when your ready for it ..


Maybe this means that I am where I am suppose to be
this is what i usually argue..

since I've never experienced anything supernatural
God usually whispers (IMO and experience)(IOW leaves the choice to you)
but it does bring up the question of; why would God need to use such a display to convince us?..IOW If i am where i am supposed to be then why would he need such a trick?


or maybe I am not special to any deity like you are. :shrug:
hey now..I don't claim any superiority of knowledge,Christianity,Authority or person..
in fact..stick around..i am usually more than willing to share how screwed up i am..
i just tend to share my thoughts..any responsibility for your usage of anything i say, is your own responsibility.(think for yourself,not do as your told)

Nothing I said was twisted or contradicts anything within Christianity. You're simply threatened by any rational perspective regarding faith. That's no one's problem but yours.

Oh boy thanks for that Lori that just put a big smile on my face. You can come up with some pretty funny bullshit sometimes. I'm just soooo threatened by your rational perspective regarding faith! lol You obviously think a lot of yourself and your 'rationality' if you think it threatens others. Try not to be too arrogant in the future, it doesn't go well with ignorance.

Oh boy thanks for that Lori that just put a big smile on my face. You can come up with some pretty funny bullshit sometimes. I'm just soooo threatened by your rational perspective regarding faith! lol You obviously think a lot of yourself and your 'rationality' if you think it threatens others. Try not to be too arrogant in the future, it doesn't go well with ignorance.

well if that's not it, then please explain to me what the problem is. perhaps i'm being stereotypical here, but many times in the past i've come across people who want those who believe in god to be ridiculous close-minded idiots so badly, that when and if they're not, and when they actually give a rational perspective about something, it pisses them off. are you sure you're not being one of those people?

that's what i mean..atheist (theist also..) tend to make it about the rules, as soon as a rule gets passed into law..the choice is no longer there.(with respect to consequence)..

sorry..its hard to answer that without getting into a rant..

ppl want hard answers.they/we want 'do this,get that', it makes it so much simpler,makes it so one doesn't have to be responsible..why should one think about whether one can or can't do 'X', they won't let them do it anyway, so why should one expend ones thoughts on something one has no control of anyway? (see the danger?)

Such wishy washy bullshit. I'd expect that sort of relativistic crap from a stoned palm reader. "The inner knowing guides us in choosing our spiritual path. What is wrong or right comes to us through meditation and contemplation. Some see a path as brighter than another and choose that which they know is right. It isn't as simple as right and wrong, you must let the spiritual realm communicate it to you. If you aren't ready for that level of knowing right now, give it time, one day you will transcend from the black and white thinking that society has instilled in you."

Makes me feel like levelling a forest with a bulldozer.

well if that's not it, then please explain to me what the problem is. perhaps i'm being stereotypical here, but many times in the past i've come across people who want those who believe in god to be ridiculous close-minded idiots so badly, that when and if they're not, and when they actually give a rational perspective about something, it pisses them off. are you sure you're not being one of those people?

A 3 year old could rationally justify their belief in Sata Clause, but I don't find that rationality threatening. People can rationally justify almost any crack pot idea, as long as that rationality doesn't have to be based on any sort of solid evidence.

A 3 year old could rationally justify their belief in Sata Clause, but I don't find that rationality threatening. People can rationally justify almost any crack pot idea, as long as that rationality doesn't have to be based on any sort of solid evidence.

so in other words, yes, you are being one of those people.

lol so let me get your thinking straight.

You think that people get threatened by your amazing rational abilities. These people don't want to hear that superior rationality because they can't possibly think of any rational objections against your amazing superior rationality. So those people then get pissed off. And even when those people dismiss your rationality as pathetic, so pathetic in fact that it couldn't possibly piss them off because it is laughably stupid, they deep down really still think that it is somehow amazing! And because deep down they recognize that you have superior rationality, they really are still pissed off. So I must be one of those people that are really deep down threatened by your superior rationality and I am therefore one of those people that are pissed off.

Makes perfect sense to me Lori, I think that's the only possible sane way to look at the situation...

Lori take a look at this gem of superior rationality that you put forth earlier:

"in regards to the blasphemy, i'll stick to my guns here and say that as long as hinduism accepts christianity as truth, there is no conflict and there is no blasphemy."

I love your superior rationality here. In order to justify your opinion you state that you say it. Wow what a great rationally supported argument. It must be right and it must be justified because you said it. No need to quote any religious text that supports your opinion. No need to give any evidence to support your opinion. As long as you said it, that's all that is required for a superior rationally justified position.

I feel so threatened and pissed off right now. Oh gosh darn it what am I gonna do with myself.

What is wrong or right comes to us through meditation and contemplation.

it should be..it is not..

it is instilled by indoctrination,whether it be our parents,our teachers,neighbors,or law enforcement personnel ( i would include God, but since you are an antitheist, i will leave it at that.)

Nothing I said was twisted or contradicts anything within Christianity. You're simply threatened by any rational perspective regarding faith. That's no one's problem but yours.

Everything you said goes against Christianity. The bible makes it explicitly clear that you are not supposed to look to other faiths. Did you not see the massive list of scripture that I quoted earlier? And thats just a small sample of the multitude of bible verses that say not to.

Jesus's words:

John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, but through Me.”

How can you call yourself a Christian, but then explicitly do things that Christ said not to do?

This is why I call you a hypocrite.

That's ridiculous. The only reason to be that close minded and stupid is fear, which is the opposite of faith.

Blah blah blah. Skaught quoted chapter and verse why you are committing blasphemy. According to your rulebook you are doing exactly that, so quit being a hypocrite.

Everything you said goes against Christianity.

the bible says we should not worship any other gods..does not say we are not supposed to think about them..

AND..

if there is 'worship no other God'..why do ppl worship Jesus instead of God?

the bible says we should not worship any other gods..does not say we are not supposed to think about them..

AND..

if there is 'worship no other God'..why do ppl worship Jesus instead of God?

Aren't you supposed to be a Christian of some sort Squirrel?

Blah blah blah. Skaught quoted chapter and verse why you are committing blasphemy. According to your rulebook you are doing exactly that, so quit being a hypocrite.

first of all, the bible isn't a rulebook. secondly, i am not worshipping kali or "other gods", as there are no other gods. i merely stated that i personally relate to kali due to something that's happened to me. that "something" directed by the holy spirit by the way. this is in no way blasphemy; i think you may want to consult a dictionary.

Everything you said goes against Christianity. The bible makes it explicitly clear that you are not supposed to look to other faiths. Did you not see the massive list of scripture that I quoted earlier? And thats just a small sample of the multitude of bible verses that say not to.

Jesus's words:

John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, but through Me.”

How can you call yourself a Christian, but then explicitly do things that Christ said not to do?

This is why I call you a hypocrite.

i have come to the father through christ. that is why i have knowledge of god and that is why i have faith, and am not some ignorant, fearful retard like you wish i was.

see, kali doesn't claim to be the way to the father. does she? or do you even know?

i have reiterated over and over that i do not worship kali as a god or in place of god. i said i related to her. i also said that there is more than one way to say the same thing, and there are obvious truths in all kinds of literature, even those who some have concocted various religions out of.

you are a small-minded, bigoted and hateful person with an agenda. and if that's the way you choose to be i would say, you should at least be a little less obvious about it. you and phlog look like a couple of close-minded dolts here. don't you care?

Lori take a look at this gem of superior rationality that you put forth earlier:

"in regards to the blasphemy, i'll stick to my guns here and say that as long as hinduism accepts christianity as truth, there is no conflict and there is no blasphemy."

I love your superior rationality here. In order to justify your opinion you state that you say it. Wow what a great rationally supported argument. It must be right and it must be justified because you said it. No need to quote any religious text that supports your opinion. No need to give any evidence to support your opinion. As long as you said it, that's all that is required for a superior rationally justified position.

I feel so threatened and pissed off right now. Oh gosh darn it what am I gonna do with myself.

are you contending that hinduism does not accept all other religions as true? you should do some research perhaps.

lol so let me get your thinking straight.

You think that people get threatened by your amazing rational abilities. These people don't want to hear that superior rationality because they can't possibly think of any rational objections against your amazing superior rationality. So those people then get pissed off. And even when those people dismiss your rationality as pathetic, so pathetic in fact that it couldn't possibly piss them off because it is laughably stupid, they deep down really still think that it is somehow amazing! And because deep down they recognize that you have superior rationality, they really are still pissed off. So I must be one of those people that are really deep down threatened by your superior rationality and I am therefore one of those people that are pissed off.

Makes perfect sense to me Lori, I think that's the only possible sane way to look at the situation...

wow what a tantrum. are you always like this, or only with christians?

and that's my point (which you of course missed entirely). my point is that you're being a bigot. my assertion is that you've already decided that religious people, and christians specifically, are close-minded and ignorant. so if a christian such as myself offers rationality that contradicts your assumption, you're threatened by it, and it pisses you off, and you apparently commence into some temper tantrum.

apparently...

Aren't you supposed to be a Christian of some sort Squirrel?

some sort..

i only call myself christian cause its the closest to what i believe.

the bible says we should not worship any other gods..does not say we are not supposed to think about them..

AND..



"You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are around you" Deuteronomy 6:14

“Pay attention to all that I have said to you, and make no mention of the names of other gods, nor let it be heard on your lips." Exodus 23:13


if there is 'worship no other God'..why do ppl worship Jesus instead of God?

Their not supposed to. There is a verse where a man bows down to worship Jesus, and Jesus lifts him up and says not to pray to him but only to pray to the father. I'd look it up but I don't have time.

i have come to the father through christ. that is why i have knowledge of god and that is why i have faith, and am not some ignorant, fearful retard like you wish i was.

No, I don't wish you were a fearful retard. Where did I even suggest that? Those are your words, not mine. Makes me wonder what you truly think of yourself.


see, kali doesn't claim to be the way to the father. does she? or do you even know?

I don't know, but I also don't care.



you are a small-minded, bigoted and hateful person with an agenda. and if that's the way you choose to be i would say, you should at least be a little less obvious about it.

So this is how you handle being challenged. By angrily calling me a small minded hateful bigot. You handle it with anger. That's a productive way to be... Very Christian of you. Very Christian of you indeed.


you and phlog look like a couple of close-minded dolts here. don't you care?

Well I would care of we looked like close minded dolts here, but we don't. I think the fact that we are pointing out your ignorance and hypocrisy is a show of our intellect. Also, you are obviously taking this as a personal attack, and it's not, at least not on my end, I can't speak for phlog. It's not. It's a challenge. So, I'll ask you again. How can you call yourself a Christian when your beliefs explicitly go against what the bible says?

You can get huffy and puffy if you want and start name calling, or you can answer the question.

My beliefs don't go against what the bible says, at all. Not even a little, and I have explained why and reiterated several times. Why then are you still carrying on as if they do if it's not a personal attack?

Maybe it's a matter of your ignorance regarding my beliefs and both teachings? Anyone can google bible verses nowadays, but how about if you apply them with some logic to what I've said? You've already stated that you don't know anything about Kali and that you don't care. My guess is that you have the same sentiment towards Christ, and if so, why are you posting?

Don't go against the bible? Are you serious? What about all the verses I posted earlier. Did you not see them?

Look, I have no issue with someone who looks to all faiths to develop their own sense of spirituality. Heck, I do that myself. I am a very spiritual person, and I do indeed turn to the bible, and the Koran, and Hinduism, paganism, philosophy, Native American beliefs... you name it. What I am trying to understand, is... like I have explained and reiterated several time, how you can call yourself a Christian and do things that the bible says not to do. And don't say that your beliefs are in tandem with the bible because they are not. Have you read the bible? I have. Yep, the whole thing. And I read the gospels at least once per year. Why? Because I like Jesus. He said and did some good things. I do think there is a large element of myth to the stories, but that doesn't mean that there is no spiritual relevance to them.

Applying logic to bible verses that support your claims? There are no bible verses that support your claims.

Let me again state, that I have no issue with you creating a "faith" of your own. I am ecstatically happy for you and anyone who does that. But, anyone who picks and chooses from many faiths, cannot call themselves a "Christian". They just can't, and anyone who knows anything about Christianity and Christs teachings and the whole entire message of the bible knows this. If someone does this, they are a hypocrite. That is logic.

"You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are around you" Deuteronomy 6:14

“Pay attention to all that I have said to you, and make no mention of the names of other gods, nor let it be heard on your lips." Exodus 23:13

still doesn't say ya can't think about them..

either way..it is not an issue to point your finger.
its not your job to condemn those who don't line up with your beliefs.

still doesn't say ya can't think about them..

either way..it is not an issue to point your finger.
its not your job to condemn those who don't line up with your beliefs.
It's not condemnation to point out hypocrisy. It's an observation.

It's not condemnation to point out hypocrisy. It's an observation.

Thank you my good man.

Don't go against the bible? Are you serious? What about all the verses I posted earlier. Did you not see them?

Look, I have no issue with someone who looks to all faiths to develop their own sense of spirituality. Heck, I do that myself. I am a very spiritual person, and I do indeed turn to the bible, and the Koran, and Hinduism, paganism, philosophy, Native American beliefs... you name it. What I am trying to understand, is... like I have explained and reiterated several time, how you can call yourself a Christian and do things that the bible says not to do. And don't say that your beliefs are in tandem with the bible because they are not. Have you read the bible? I have. Yep, the whole thing. And I read the gospels at least once per year. Why? Because I like Jesus. He said and did some good things. I do think there is a large element of myth to the stories, but that doesn't mean that there is no spiritual relevance to them.

Applying logic to bible verses that support your claims? There are no bible verses that support your claims.

Let me again state, that I have no issue with you creating a "faith" of your own. I am ecstatically happy for you and anyone who does that. But, anyone who picks and chooses from many faiths, cannot call themselves a "Christian". They just can't, and anyone who knows anything about Christianity and Christs teachings and the whole entire message of the bible knows this. If someone does this, they are a hypocrite. That is logic.

there is no blasphemy to support your claims skaught.

i reiterate once again...
i do not worship kali. i do not pray to kali. i do not substitute kali for the father. i do not substitute kali for the christ. i believe in one god, the father, who is the creator, therefore i do not consider kali to be a god.

what i said was...
that i identified personally with kali because of a spiritual experience i've had. i'm a human skaught, not a god, so if i identify with kali, i do so as a human and as a woman. during this experience i was told by the holy spirit that i was the chosen lady in 2 john, the woman in revelations ch 12, and the tree of life giving birth to the population of the kingdom at the end of revelation. during that time the holy spirit gave me messages of understanding from all sorts of media including art of various sorts, music, literature, other people. as i stated, i also identified with the character in the movie "the lady in the water", mostly because i felt so isolated at that time. above all else and through a variety of media and ways, i was given the message that i was a destroyer and that i was a mother, which is exactly what kali is. THAT IS IN NO WAY BLASPHEMY.

now i don't appreciate having to repeat myself numerous times in one thread just because you're jumping at the chance to point fingers and call me a name. you're wrong, and that's the last time i'm going to explain why.

It's not condemnation to point out hypocrisy. It's an observation.

an incorrect one.

there is no blasphemy to support your claims skaught.

i reiterate once again...
i do not worship kali. i do not pray to kali. i do not substitute kali for the father. i do not substitute kali for the christ. i believe in one god, the father, who is the creator, therefore i do not consider kali to be a god.

what i said was...
that i identified personally with kali because of a spiritual experience i've had. i'm a human skaught, not a god, so if i identify with kali, i do so as a human and as a woman. during this experience i was told by the holy spirit that i was the chosen lady in 2 john, the woman in revelations ch 12, and the tree of life giving birth to the population of the kingdom at the end of revelation. during that time the holy spirit gave me messages of understanding from all sorts of media including art of various sorts, music, literature, other people. as i stated, i also identified with the character in the movie "the lady in the water", mostly because i felt so isolated at that time. above all else and through a variety of media and ways, i was given the message that i was a destroyer and that i was a mother, which is exactly what kali is. THAT IS IN NO WAY BLASPHEMY.

now i don't appreciate having to repeat myself numerous times in one thread just because you're jumping at the chance to point fingers and call me a name. you're wrong, and that's the last time i'm going to explain why.

So let me ask you. Do you consider yourself a Christian? But before you answer, let me define what I mean by "Christain"

Christian: A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and all of his teachings.

So let me ask you. Do you consider yourself a Christian? But before you answer, let me define what I mean by "Christain"

Christian: A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and all of his teachings.

are you referring to the ritual of baptism or the actual baptism of the holy spirit, and are you referring to your personal interpretation of his teachings or the counsel that i've received personally from the holy spirit and the work that's accomplished in me?

in other words, yes i am a christian. i have a personal relationship with god through christ which has transformed me and continues to. i am the church. i am the bride of christ, and i am birthing the kingdom of christ onto this earth, and i would never do or say anything to undermine that or lie about that, or what god has done to me.

are you referring to the ritual of baptism or the actual baptism of the holy spirit.

Basically, baptized into the faith whether dunked under water at a church, or through a personal revelation through holy spirit or any other formal ritual whose purpose is indoctrination of the faith


and are you referring to your personal interpretation of his teachings or the counsel that i've received personally from the holy spirit and the work that's accomplished in me?

I am referring specifically to bible verses. And the bible as a whole. So in other words, do you accept the bible as gods word and as 100% true?


in other words, yes i am a christian. i have a personal relationship with god through christ which has transformed me and continues to. i am the church. i am the bride of christ, and i am birthing the kingdom of christ onto this earth, and i would never do or say anything to undermine that or lie about that, or what god has done to me.

I never once said you were lying. I don't think you are doing that at all. When you say what you believe, I believe that you believe it.

Again, let me state, I am not personally attacking you. I am trying very hard to understand your logic.

A 3 year old could rationally justify their belief in Sata Clause, but I don't find that rationality threatening. People can rationally justify almost any crack pot idea, as long as that rationality doesn't have to be based on any sort of solid evidence.

Did you miss the memo? Faith doesn't require any sort of solid evidence to be claimed as truth, that is why it's called faith.

I skimmed through the thread and I think Lori needs to keep an open mind and not push her religious mumbo jumbo down people's throat.
Not everyone chooses to believe in God, okay?
Deal with it.

first of all, the bible isn't a rulebook.

The Old Testament certainly is, and if you do do the thing Jesus instructed his followers to do in the NT, you aren't a Christian.

I have observed two supernatural events.

First was a park that contained an unmarked cemetary marked by three flags- US, Briton and France. The flags were small and placed in the ground. They had a tendency to change order when they were not observed- you turn your back and look back and they changed in order. Last time I went there, they were building a cemetary in that spot for war heroes.

Second was my dead grandfather visiting me at nighttime. It was paralyzingly scary. He sat at the foot of the bed and looked at me and shook his head to indicate no. I was frozen in fear. One day I eventually worked up the nerve to confront him which I did and he disappeared in a puff of smoke.

These two events haunt me, but I am at peace with them- they no longer haunt me. As an interesting side effect, I have not had a bad dream in the past 20 years since it happened.

I skimmed through the thread and I think Lori needs to keep an open mind and not push her religious mumbo jumbo down people's throat.
Not everyone chooses to believe in God, okay?
Deal with it.

"skimmed", yes apparently that means you didn't read it because i'm the one being called a blasphemer and a hypocrite in this thread for daring to have an open mind.

and nobody gives a shit if you don't believe in god, okay?
deal with it.
and next time actually read the thread you're posting in.

The Old Testament certainly is, and if you do do the thing Jesus instructed his followers to do in the NT, you aren't a Christian.

you don't even believe it's possible to be a christian because you don't believe in spirits. i am not a christian because i follow rules. i am a christian because i am born again of the spirit. this is christianity 101 phlog, and you just failed.

Did you miss the memo? Faith doesn't require any sort of solid evidence to be claimed as truth, that is why it's called faith.

i equate faith with trust. do you need to have solid evidence in order to trust? not necessarily. but i prefer to trust what i know, and knowledge does require evidence of some sort.

Basically, baptized into the faith whether dunked under water at a church, or through a personal revelation through holy spirit or any other formal ritual whose purpose is indoctrination of the faith

i really have no appreciation for rituals, particularly because they are so often used as a substitute for what they're supposed to symbolically represent. the former i did to make my grandmother happy. the latter meant everything to me and changed my life forever.




I am referring specifically to bible verses. And the bible as a whole. So in other words, do you accept the bible as gods word and as 100% true?

only when interpreted to me by the holy spirit; what i come to understand through experience. for example, who would have guessed that i was the chosen lady in 2 john? certainly not i, and no theologian that i'm aware of would believe such a thing.




I never once said you were lying. I don't think you are doing that at all. When you say what you believe, I believe that you believe it.

Again, let me state, I am not personally attacking you. I am trying very hard to understand your logic.

well you sure were quick to pull out that index finger and start yelling blasphemer weren't you? to be honest, are you sincerely interested in my logic, or are you more interested in judging me?

only when interpreted to me by the holy spirit; what i come to understand through experience. for example, who would have guessed that i was the chosen lady in 2 john? certainly not i, and no theologian that i'm aware of would believe such a thing.

well you sure were quick to pull out that index finger and start yelling blasphemer weren't you? to be honest, are you sincerely interested in my logic, or are you more interested in judging me?

Because you refuse to engage in any kind of open, rational discussion about this, I'm going to tell you what I really think

You've made it clear that you have a tendency to misinterpret things that people say. You choose, and I think its not a conscious decision, to interpret things through a filter of severe ill mental health.


during this experience i was told by the holy spirit that i was the chosen lady in 2 john, the woman in revelations ch 12, and the tree of life giving birth to the population of the kingdom at the end of revelation. during that time the holy spirit gave me messages of understanding from all sorts of media including art of various sorts, music, literature, other people. as i stated, i also identified with the character in the movie "the lady in the water", mostly because i felt so isolated at that time. above all else and through a variety of media and ways, i was given the message that i was a destroyer and that i was a mother

I think that you have serious mental health issues, and I fear for the children of a mother who believes such insanity. Theres nothing wrong with having a sense of spirituality. But anyone who, in a moment of "isolation" and therefore vulnerability, begins having divine revelations inspired by media is seriously mentally ill. Nearly a textbook example of schizophrenia. If I knew only a little more about you, I would call child protective services on you, because I do not think that you are mentally fit to be a parent. Perhaps the MODS will see this thread and pass on the relevant information to the appropriate authorities.

With that, because I have worked in mental health, I know that it does not help the sick person to engage them in discussions about their delusions, and because I am personally not interested in hearing about the delusions of sick people, I have decided to stop this conversation and put you on my ignore list. As a final note, I STRONGLY suggest you speak to a professional about your "revelations". Though I fear that engaging you in this discussion has only contributed to your illness.

Of course I don't believe in anything supernatural, but I was just wondering if anyone thinks they have seen something supernatural. We should get some interesting stories. Thanks!
No, because it would be largely impossible in a naturalism subsumed under Kantianism to observe anything as it exists in an unconditioned world. Its influences would simply be rendered in experience as another "normal" part of the conditioned world that is observed everyday. The traditional supernatural stuff would only be a remote possibility in the former "noumenal world", with the "natural order" of course being ascribed to the latter phenomenal world. Since Kant restricted theorectical reason to experience, it cannot prove anything about the entities or circumstances of metaphysical doctrines. Practical reason is what is left to explore that, and it can only endorse something on the basis of "ought" -- that believing in the reality of a particular whatever in the unconditioned world is either necessary to resolve a problem (technical) or constructive for the well-being of human beings (moral).

Because you refuse to engage in any kind of open, rational discussion about this, I'm going to tell you what I really think

You've made it clear that you have a tendency to misinterpret things that people say. You choose, and I think its not a conscious decision, to interpret things through a filter of severe ill mental health.

i have engaged in an open and rational discussion while you have pointed your finger and screamed "blasphemer!" and spewed bible verses like you're on some witch hunt. which you continue in even worse fashion...




I think that you have serious mental health issues, and I fear for the children of a mother who believes such insanity. Theres nothing wrong with having a sense of spirituality. But anyone who, in a moment of "isolation" and therefore vulnerability, begins having divine revelations inspired by media is seriously mentally ill. Nearly a textbook example of schizophrenia. If I knew only a little more about you, I would call child protective services on you, because I do not think that you are mentally fit to be a parent. Perhaps the MODS will see this thread and pass on the relevant information to the appropriate authorities.

With that, because I have worked in mental health, I know that it does not help the sick person to engage them in discussions about their delusions, and because I am personally not interested in hearing about the delusions of sick people, I have decided to stop this conversation and put you on my ignore list. As a final note, I STRONGLY suggest you speak to a professional about your "revelations". Though I fear that engaging you in this discussion has only contributed to your illness.

what a pompous, judgmental, and incorrect piece of work you are. firstly, the divine revelations weren't inspired by the media, but by the divine. funny (no not really), the one who reads the gospels in repetition like it's some ritual, and cuts and pastes scripture like a bible thumper, doesn't believe in spiritual experience.

secondly, it was the experience that caused the feelings of isolation, not the other way around. if you would apply some common sense and logic to what i've said, i think you would find that response quite normal, at least temporarily, considering what i experienced (which you don't even know the half of).

and finally, you can shove your armchair diagnosis up your ass where it belongs, as well as your threats. i have never been diagnosed with a mental illness in my life. would you like to know why? because there has never been any cause for it, or any indication i have one, that's why. for someone who recites the bible, you should know that the entire book is about people hearing the voice of god. i'm a well-educated, stable, successful, and happy person. college degree, professional career, owned and maintained my own home since my early twenties, i'm happily married and have maintained successful and fulfilling long term relationships with family and friends, the same family and friends who upon hearing the news of my pregnancy were very happy for me and expressed that i will make a great mother.

they didn't have to say i would make a great mother, but they did. many of them.

consider yourself on ignore.

you don't even believe it's possible to be a christian because you don't believe in spirits. i am not a christian because i follow rules. i am a christian because i am born again of the spirit. this is christianity 101 phlog, and you just failed.

It's not about what I believe.

It's about the hypocrisy in your beliefs.

You pick and choose what suits you, and ignore the inconvenient parts.

i have never been diagnosed with a mental illness in my life. would you like to know why?
Because you never went to a doctor?

Ah, plogistician, the man who can't define God, is still banging on about other people's hypocrisy.

Ho hum.

I've never seen anything supernatural, but I've seen plenty of super natural things.;)

Applying logic to bible verses that support your claims? There are no bible verses that support your claims.

Let me again state, that I have no issue with you creating a "faith" of your own. I am ecstatically happy for you and anyone who does that. But, anyone who picks and chooses from many faiths, cannot call themselves a "Christian". They just can't, and anyone who knows anything about Christianity and Christs teachings and the whole entire message of the bible knows this. If someone does this, they are a hypocrite. That is logic.

this is so spot-on. i think lori would make a good mother because she seems like she is sincere in wanting to nurture but i don't think she would be good for developing their mind. emotions, yes probably. intellect, probably confuse or obfuscate them.


but to be reasonable, which religious people aren't necessarily known for, there is more than one way to look at the same thing. and there is more than one way to say the same thing. when i was younger i studied the world's major religions enough to realize that there are obvious truths in all of them, and most of them result in many of the same behaviors (depending on who's using them and why). when comparing them, to me, christianity was the most comprehensive answer. not the most exclusive necessarily; imo that is just the result of practitioners ego. but definitely the most comprehensive, and therefore the final answer if you will.

and it makes the most sense according to my life experience and my environment.

that doesn't mean i can't learn from or appreciate aspects of any other doctrines.

i'm curious. do you believe the christian god is the one true god as the bible states or do you believe that all these other religions are worshipping the same god under different names?

when you say that christianity seems to be the most comprehensive answer to you, what do you mean by the 'final' answer/truth since it implies it should apply to everyone?

if christianity is the most comprehensive as well as the final answer, then what is there to learn from other doctrines? seems contradictory. it's like claiming that your religion has it all a-z but you still want to partake of religions that are fragments or have pieces of what your religion already has. that is essentially what you claimed and it's contradictory.

you don't even believe it's possible to be a christian because you don't believe in spirits. i am not a christian because i follow rules. i am a christian because i am born again of the spirit. this is christianity 101 phlog, and you just failed.

I won't question your Christianity since each branch of Christianity has a different idea of what a Christian should be and quite frankly each Christian has a different mentality on what it means to be a Christian.Anyhow I'd like to ask a few questions regarding the holy ghost if you don't mind.

Do you feel that this holy ghost have favorites amongst humans? By that I mean how come those of equal faith to yours do not experience special revelations like the one you've mentioned.(2 John) I hear a lot about prayers answered and miracles galore but not the type you mentioned.

From what you've posted I assume you know exactly how it feels to interact with the holy spirit and therefore I'd like your opinion on the following.Those scary people at church who say they feel the holy spirit within them while going into violent convulsions and speak supposedly unrecognizable tongues, are they lying? Your revelation, was it in a dream or some other way?

Dear lady please keep in mind that I mean no disrespect by the questions I ask, I am genuinely curious.

Ah, plogistician, the man who can't define God, is still banging on about other people's hypocrisy.

Ho hum.

James, do you have a short term memory problem?

Or are you just trolling?

We went through this over and over. I stated I had no definition of God, and then I challenged you to describe your God. You utterly failed and copped out with a dictionary definition. You acted quite dishonestly, and got yourself reported. You must remember the latter, surely?

I'm hesitant to post to a thread with more than 120 posts, but the subject line is an interesting question.

My most honest answer is 'I don't know'.

I can truthfully say that I've seen things that I found inexplicable.

But I don't really know what the limits of 'natural' are or where the 'natural'/'supernatural' boundary lies, assuming that there is one. I'm basically a monist and I think of everything that exists as being natural. But having said that, I also think of the word 'natural' as an open unbounded set that shades off imperceptably into the 'unknown' at the edges.

I guess that I'm kind of a Fortean, in a way.

My most honest answer is 'I don't know'.

I can truthfully say that I've seen things that I found inexplicable.

But I don't really know what the limits of 'natural' are or where the 'natural'/'supernatural' boundary lies, assuming that there is one. I'm basically a monist and I think of everything that exists as being natural. But having said that, I also think of the word 'natural' as an open unbounded set that shades off imperceptably into the 'unknown' at the edges.

Same here.

Christians are the biggest tools in the world. Sorry, Mormons are.

this is so spot-on. i think lori would make a good mother because she seems like she is sincere in wanting to nurture but i don't think she would be good for developing their mind. emotions, yes probably. intellect, probably confuse or obfuscate them.

this seems like an odd assertion given what's been discussed in this thread. here i've basically been told to hide my face in a bible in fear and don't come out since the devil's in hinduism, and in the media, and in the university, and in the music, which is a ridiculous load of shit which i've contended with. these people tossing around scripture forgot some that says that turning away from knowledge is evil.

i'm not afraid of anything, and would encourage my children not to be either. it's my opinion that faith is trust and not some ignorant, spoon-fed, shot in the dark.

what was your gpa when you graduated college? mine was 3.17, which isn't great but let's face it, school is fucking boring, and i achieved that while working about 30 hours a week because i paid my own tuition, rent, car payment, insurance and anything else, and partying my ass off. i was high my entire college career, pretty much. i took calculus high...homework, lectures, exams, the whole class, and got straight A's. i gave every speech in speech class high and got an A too. so while i wouldn't encourage my kids to take drugs, i'm certainly not stupid or uneducated.




i'm curious. do you believe the christian god is the one true god as the bible states or do you believe that all these other religions are worshipping the same god under different names?

it's my belief that there's only one god (creator, father). it seems that way to me based on my logic and experience. i really can't speak for others; i don't know.


when you say that christianity seems to be the most comprehensive answer to you, what do you mean by the 'final' answer/truth since it implies it should apply to everyone?

i'm referring to the premise in christianity that there is something wrong with us, as a human race, that we can not fix ourselves. an inherent flaw that requires us to rely on god to fix, or requires us to trust god. christ is the cure for this flaw. he redeems, restores, heals, and ultimately perfects the human race. what i think is a genetic endeavor (by his blood). as i understand it, no other religion teaches this. some of them are like self-help religions. some are about following rules. and it's not as if these rules and philosophies aren't helpful at all, they're just not the cure.


if christianity is the most comprehensive as well as the final answer, then what is there to learn from other doctrines? seems contradictory. it's like claiming that your religion has it all a-z but you still want to partake of religions that are fragments or have pieces of what your religion already has. that is essentially what you claimed and it's contradictory.

why is that contradictory? i like to travel and experience other cultures as well. i can get everything i need in the states, and i live here and can stay here my whole life without venturing abroad, so would that make traveling contradictory as well?

Mummies singing....

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why is that contradictory? i like to travel and experience other cultures as well. i can get everything i need in the states, and i live here and can stay here my whole life without venturing abroad, so would that make traveling contradictory as well?

i'm just going to address this because my gpa or whether one graduated college or gave speeches isn't related to intelligence or necessarily being more intelligent. besides, i think what you perceive to be intelligence is what i would call conditioning. people who tow the line in what society expects or adapted to the time tend to do okay, but that doesn't mean they are necessarily very intelligent, just well-adapted to their environment. for instance, being a christian is common for western culture and it's inherent views and belief system. working has nothing to do with intelligence, it's just means that you had a job. also, experimenting with drugs and partying in college are common experiences. this doesn't have anything to do with the issue.

traveling to other countries to experience different cultures is not the same as having everything you need to live in the states. those other cultures are going to be different where it will not be the same in the states as well as their customs/practices/values can be different as well as even tangibles such as goods etc. you are missing the point.

Mummies singing....

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Those guys are pretty good . Kind of " Lost Lonely Boys " sound

I think I am more Sumerian than anything my self . Maybe not but like the way they talk about Me"s Ah Yeah being named Me makes the attraction stronger . I think the christian God developed from the original text of Sumerian influence. Pretty sure that Ur and Sumer are all but the same and Abram was Sumerian . I also think he ventured away from his home and started his own thing . His own circle of influence and because of natural genetic disposition ( chain of events ) lead him to his modified version of Sumerian indoctrinations. Hence forth Israel was born as a culture to it self . Islam to by way of Ishmael . I believe it all has the same roots , but I also believe it was carried to Sumer from earlier times in Zimbabwe. The real root of civilization . Did you know there are supposedly 70,000 year old Mines in South Africa? That blows my mind ! I bet it is true too. Speculation yes . Don't look like speculation for the guy claiming to have found the mines. Interesting to Me to say the least

I won't question your Christianity since each branch of Christianity has a different idea of what a Christian should be and quite frankly each Christian has a different mentality on what it means to be a Christian.Anyhow I'd like to ask a few questions regarding the holy ghost if you don't mind.

Do you feel that this holy ghost have favorites amongst humans? By that I mean how come those of equal faith to yours do not experience special revelations like the one you've mentioned.(2 John) I hear a lot about prayers answered and miracles galore but not the type you mentioned.

i'll be the first to admit that this one particular experience i had (which i've barely touched on in this thread) was fucking weird. so weird, so prolific in volume and meaning that i swear i felt like my head exploded trying to take it all in. i felt like i couldn't keep up, and it was very traumatic. but i don't think for one second i'm the only one who's had intense, weird experiences like this, and i don't think that having such an experience makes me any more or less special than anyone else.

the ultimate goal of christianity is communion. we're not only a communal species, but we're a communal creation. it's something we can't escape or deny no matter how hard we try. it's just the way it is. and what i think is the coolest thing about humanity is that we are all unique. genetically there is, never has been, and never will be, anyone like you, or anyone like me. and i think that we all have roles to play, and destinies to fulfill, and aptitudes and gifts to nurture, and crosses to bear and fears and challenges to overcome. and we all need each other. we're all just as important. if everyone is special. then no one is special.


From what you've posted I assume you know exactly how it feels to interact with the holy spirit and therefore I'd like your opinion on the following.Those scary people at church who say they feel the holy spirit within them while going into violent convulsions and speak supposedly unrecognizable tongues, are they lying? Your revelation, was it in a dream or some other way?

this hits close to home because when i was very very young, i used to go to a church like that with my grandma, and my grandma used to speak in tongues. i didn't appreciate it one bit then, and i still don't appreciate it any more so today.

now, i'm not looking to judge other people, and my grandma's as nice and honest as the next person, maybe a bit more, but as weird as some of the stuff i've been through has been, i have never felt compelled to behave that way. there are two things that really bother me about it. one is that it can be turned on and off like a faucet. you know, these people were fine when they were walking into church and they were fine when they left. it's not like they're pulling some shit like that in the middle of a restaurant or a shopping mall. and secondly, i see absolutely no benefit to it. i see no accomplishment. so if i had to guess, i'd say it's drama.

i have had a few dreams that i would consider prophetic or enlightening, but that's not how i got the message i spoke of in this thread. that was more direct, and like i said, in the middle of a bunch of other weird hoopla that was going on. to be specific i was in the middle of channeling a letter, when god interrupted me and told me to go get my bible and read the book of revelations, so i did. when i got to chapter 12 all of a sudden i felt a presence in front of me. i can't explain how but i knew there was someone standing in front of me (i was sitting on my couch). i felt a tingling sensation on my upper arms. i asked out loud, "_____, is that you?" i was inquiring of the person who was to be the recipient of the letter, and the sensation got much stronger. i took that as a "yes". the sensation moved up my arms to my shoulders, neck, and stopped on my face. when the event was over i picked my bible up off the floor and continued to read, only now it was like there was a wind blowing through my head. that's the only way i can describe it, and i felt like i was being led around the bible on a leash for a little while. i was told i was the woman in chapter 12, then on to 2 john, and then to the very end of the bible where it talks about the tree of life bearing the kingdom population.


Dear lady please keep in mind that I mean no disrespect by the questions I ask, I am genuinely curious.

i appreciate that, thank you. i try to only be a bitch when it's appropriate. lol. :)

i'm just going to address this because my gpa or whether one graduated college or gave speeches isn't related to intelligence or necessarily being more intelligent. besides, i think what you perceive to be intelligence is what i would call conditioning. people who tow the line in what society expects or adapted to the time tend to do okay, but that doesn't mean they are necessarily very intelligent, just well-adapted to their environment. for instance, being a christian is common for western culture and it's inherent views and belief system. working has nothing to do with intelligence, it's just means that you had a job. also, experimenting with drugs and partying in college are common experiences. this doesn't have anything to do with the issue.

traveling to other countries to experience different cultures is not the same as having everything you need to live in the states. those other cultures are going to be different where it will not be the same in the states as well as their customs/practices/values can be different as well as even tangibles such as goods etc. you are missing the point.

well i don't know what you're point is then.

as far as my intelligence is concerned, there are only so many standardized tests you can take, and so many teachers and professors and others who can reiterate to you that you are indeed intelligent, before you take their word for it. i mean if there's a measure, then i'm in the upper 90th percentiles across the board. plus, it's clear that i value education and knowledge in particular, regardless of how it's acquired. i happen to think that traveling and socialization is one of the very best ways to acquire knowledge. iow, i'd rather live life than study it. but above it all, i believe that the smartest thing anyone can ever do, is to have an open mind and an open heart.

now then, where is your assertion regarding my intelligence coming from again?

I just saw a you tube video that said there are 1100 people just like you in China and that there is 1300 you's in India . Well it was really talking about education . American jobs was the reference and why Americans will loose more and more Jobs to Globalization . More qualified peoples else were and they work cheaper so why would a Transnational Corporation even want Americans for employees is my question . Auuoops Sorry Mods . It was Lori !! she made Me say it when she said we are all unique. Snow flakes yes ! I like Snow Flakes . Yeah sexual animals those Snow Flakes . How would the Bible say it ( Sensual , Ah yeah that is what it says . Nothing will happen until the Man of Sin comes to the stage and these things are the things of Satan , Sensual things of the earth. This is were David Koresh got the Idea He was God . He thought him self the Man of Sin that was depicted in the Bible . It is one reason he would have sex with the under age girls and the other guys wives . Funny how them Cult Leaders find a way to justify getting the nooky . Shit I want the nooky , but I made a promise so that is out . No strange nooky for Me. bum ! I sometimes think about it so hey I guess I am guilty as charged . Nooky Nooky Nooky , O.K. me wife knows what I think about so get off the gate keepers back

well i don't know what you're point is then.

as far as my intelligence is concerned, there are only so many standardized tests you can take, and so many teachers and professors and others who can reiterate to you that you are indeed intelligent, before you take their word for it. i mean if there's a measure, then i'm in the upper 90th percentiles across the board. plus, it's clear that i value education and knowledge in particular, regardless of how it's acquired. i happen to think that traveling and socialization is one of the very best ways to acquire knowledge. iow, i'd rather live life than study it. but above it all, i believe that the smartest thing anyone can ever do, is to have an open mind and an open heart.

now then, where is your assertion regarding my intelligence coming from again?

you were the one who was giving me your resume, my point was that it was my opinion that though you are probably sincere as in wanting to be loving to your kids, that teaching them critical thinking skills is not your forte. that is all.

that is not to say you will or won't mess up your kids. only you know how you will raise them.

you were the one who was giving me your resume, my point was that it was my opinion that though you are probably sincere as in wanting to be loving to your kids, that teaching them critical thinking skills is not your forte. that is all.

that is not to say you will or won't mess up your kids. only you know how you will raise them.

I'm just asking what you're basing your judgment on birch. It seems arbitrary at best; perhaps even contradictory.

i appreciate that, thank you. i try to only be a bitch when it's appropriate. lol. :)

Thank you for answering my questions Lori. Now I got a clearer understanding of your point of view.
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