In a few decades, more than a quarter of the people of the USA will be Hispanic immigrants and the great majority of them will be socially conservative. I suppose they will naturally oppose abortion and homosexuality and popssibly be Catholic?

All values of mainstream Republicans. In a decade people will have forgotten Bush. I think we are doomed to repeat this fiasco. I hope Dems are planning now how make good for the Hispanic vote.

Michael

In a few decades, more than a quarter of the people of the USA will be Hispanic immigrants and the great majority of them will be socially conservative. I suppose they will naturally oppose abortion and homosexuality and popssibly be Catholic?
I wonder what Native Americans thought about when waves of European and African immigrants swamped them ?
I suppose if you want a perspective on immigration control Id imagine the Native Americans would have some opinions of their own .

No I'm not saying that. Yes it was wrong of the Europeans to colonize the Americas.

What I am saying is that because Hispanic tend to be conservative, how will the Democrates be able to garnish their needed support in the coming future. I certainly don't want to see the USA get even more conservative. To me that's going backwards. No abortion rights, no homosexual rights ... perhaps even less religious tolerance?

I don't know about all Hispanic people, but Mexicans are religious and conservative, however they do not agree with the Republican party in America which tries to curb immigrations rights and opposes positive immigration reform. They will probably vote democrat, even though they are religious and have conservative values.

Peace

I wonder what Native Americans thought about when waves of European and African immigrants swamped them ?

"Native Americans" are immigrants from Asia.

MS 13 are also Hispanic Immigrants.

When Republicans stop fighting for immigration reform, building fences and deporting illegals, we can start talking about the possibility of Hispanics voting Republican.

too many hispanics in USA, illegal hispanics.

Uggh..instead of coming here why not try to fix there own countries? What makes us think when things get bad here they wont just pack up and go to a better country?

Uggh..instead of coming here why not try to fix there own countries? What makes us think when things get bad here they wont just pack up and go to a better country?

Why not? If things keep going in the same direction as they are now, with facist laws like the Patriot Act, pre-emptive wars launched on faulty intelligence, ignoring terror warnings that lead to terror attacks on our soil (the 9/11 attacks were spelled out in an intelligence memo that Bush ignored), banning gay marriage, banning stem cell research, tapping my phone lines, collecting my phone records, spying on dissenting protest marchers, tampering with our free elections, trillion dollar tax cuts, cutting social programs, runaway defense spending, running up the national debt to astronomical proportions, and so on. I'll be moving to Canada pretty soon.

The question is, will you lovely and just Canadians harbor a helpless refugee like myself? ;)

Uggh..instead of coming here why not try to fix there own countries? What makes us think when things get bad here they wont just pack up and go to a better country?

Because most people prefer "instant gratification". If illegal immigrants were to stay and fix the problem, they most likely wouldn't be able to see those benefits in their lifetime.

- N

A lot of Americans like instant gratification too. Why didn't their ancestors stay in Europe and fix their problems there?

A lot of Americans like instant gratification too. Why didn't their ancestors stay in Europe and fix their problems there?

For the reason you just stated. They moved on to bigger and better things to form America, the land of the new, for that instant gratification rather than staying behind. Living in a newly discovered land is true freedom.

- N

I have no objections to immigrants as long as they do the following:

#1 Learn English
#2 Get shots for foreign diseases
#3 Pay Taxes
#4 Don't do crack and other hard drugs
#5 Don't start any gangs once over the border
#6 Don't be anti-American in America

#6 Don't be anti-American in America

The act of surpressing anti-American sentiment is inherently anti-American. You lose.

In a few decades, more than a quarter of the people of the USA will be Hispanic immigrants and the great majority of them will be socially conservative. I suppose they will naturally oppose abortion and homosexuality and popssibly be Catholic? All values of mainstream Republicans.Americans of Latin American ancestry have the highest rate of assimilation of any ethnic group. Something like half of the first-generation immigrants marry Americans of other ancestry. That's compared to about ten percent of Chinese immigrants and, though the phenomenon is too new to compile statistics, probably about the same for immigrants from the Mideast.

By the third generation the rate is so high that for all practical purposes there is no fourth generation. It's hard to find a third-generation Mexican-American unless you count people like Linda Ronstadt who rediscover their "roots."

Notwithstanding the barrios and the Minutevermin, Latinos and Americans seem to get along splendidly and blend readily. Better than a lot of people from adjacent countries do, such as Turkey and Armenia just to pick an example at random.

So there's no way that such a huge fraction of Americans will be recognizably Hispanic. Their identity will dissipate as quickly as the assimilated are replaced by new immigrants.

The influx of people from other Latin American nations will only accelerate the process. They may all read the same newspapers and listen to the same music, but despite the cheerleading headlines in those newspapers there is no significant pan-Latin "community" maintaining a supranational identity. A person from Mexico may seek out and marry another person from Mexico because those particular people are still more comfortable with old familiar ways. But Mexicans who don't feel that way are not going to make a special effort to find Salvadoreņos or Colombians just because they can talk to them in Spanish. They're just as likely to fall in love with an American. And how fortunate for everyone that we seem to feel the same way.

As for religion, the Reformation is just building up steam south of the border and is in full swing on this side. There are Spanish-language Protestant churches in every barrio. However, they tend to be the fundamentalist sects so they'll be even more conservative than the Catholics and way more Republican.

Americans of Latin American ancestry have the highest rate of assimilation of any ethnic group. Something like half of the first-generation immigrants marry Americans of other ancestry. That's compared to about ten percent of Chinese immigrants and, though the phenomenon is too new to compile statistics, probably about the same for immigrants from the Mideast.

By the third generation the rate is so high that for all practical purposes there is no fourth generation. It's hard to find a third-generation Mexican-American unless you count people like Linda Ronstadt who rediscover their "roots."
Link? Or did you just make this up?

Mexicans are running from themselves.

Link? Or did you just make this up?

A link to what, exactly? His statements are true, that's why the census bureau had to add two more ethnic groups, White or Black Hispanics, and if you wish to mark "White" only, it will have "non-Hispanic" in parenthesis.

I know what mexicans are running from,

I'm running from it myself.

I know what mexicans are running from,

I'm running from it myself.

What's that?

Mexicans

Mexicans

I see. And is there an inherent reason as to why Mexicans are running away from other Mexicans?

I see. And is there an inherent reason as to why Mexicans are running away from other Mexicans?Mexicans are not only running from other mexicans but there own country too.
It has become clear to both mexicans and the rest of the world that white socity has created a far superiour quality of life when compared to other cultures (races).

People tell white men not to feel superiour, but how can a white man not feel superiour when the small mexican people are begging to be in his realm?

People tell white men not to feel superiour, but how can a white man not feel superiour when the small mexican people are begging to be in his realm?

Interesting. But where Whites burdened with this laughable idea of immigration before they themselves immigrated and colonized other regions?

Interesting. But where Whites burdened with this laughable idea of immigration before they themselves immigrated and colonized other regions?

We immigrated and colonized unexplored territory and founded it for ourselves, or just downright conquered it from others and created our own establishment. Others see our "White Lands", for lack of a better word, and choose to come to us, into our society we've built.

- N

We immigrated and colonized unexplored territory and founded it for ourselves, or just downright conquered it from others and created our own establishment. Others see our "White Lands", for lack of a better word, and choose to come to us, into our society we've built.

- N

Yes, unexplored and unfounded to White society. The land was already explored and founded by the natives. The term "White Land" becomes fallacious. It seems to me the current immigrants are simply mimicking White behaviour, albeit less violent and oppressive.

How do you label the occupation and colonization of the African continent? Why were Whites so compelled to control "Black Land"?

If the white man is so bad, how come the brown people risk there lives to be with them?

If the white man is so bad, how come the brown people risk there lives to be with them?

If the brown people are so bad, why did Whites risk their lives to be with them and colonize their society?

The white man has always tried to civilize the brown people,

just as your trying to do today.

The white man has always tried to civilize the brown people,

just as your trying to do today.

But the brown people obviously cannot be helped since White society is so much more civilized. So, why continue to occupy "Brown Land" in the U.S., South Africa, Australia, Canada, and so on? And who possesses the authority to deem another society uncivilized, and under what terms?

But the brown people obviously cannot be helped since White society is so much more civilized. So, why continue to occupy "Brown Land" in the U.S., South Africa, Australia, Canada, and so on?Because a more civilized people will occupy areas that they want.

And who possesses the authority to deem another society uncivilized, and under what terms?Did you not just write "White society is so much more civilized"?

So it looks like people like you and I possess the authority "deem another society uncivilized".

Because a more civilized people will occupy areas that they want.

So, are you saying that since White people are considered "more civilized", they have the right to immigrate and occupy any region they like but brown people cannot?


So it looks like people like you and I possess the authority "deem another society uncivilized".

Yes, but what authority does our view possess beyond our society?

So, are you saying that since White people are considered "more civilized", they have the right to immigrate and occupy any region they like but brown people cannot?No I said:
Because a more civilized people will occupy areas that they want.



Yes, but what authority does our view possess beyond our society?Look, you look anywhere in the world and it is brown people who want to live with white people, the only reason white people live with brown people is just out of pity.

Link? Or did you just make this up?These statistics were presented by a professor from CSULA at a management retreat about twenty years ago. Admittedly I haven't seen an unpdate since them. But neither have I seen any more third-generation self-identifying Latinos, and during most of that time I've lived in regions with huge Latino populations.

It was reported today that the leading Latin American music radio station in Los Angeles recently changed over to English-speaking DJ's and a larger mix of English-language commercials. It has become hip among the younger generation of the Latino community to speak English. Language is arguably the most powerful engine of assimilation.

Perhaps one of the most interesting parts of the Pew study dealt with intermarriage.
Sociologists have long known that first-generation immigrants tend to marry within their own racial or ethnic group.
But with Latinos at least, this pattern doesn't hold for long.
While fewer than one in 10 foreign-born Hispanics intermarry, about one in three do so in the second generation.
By the third generation, more than half marry outside their racial or ethnic group.
http://www.voznuestra.com/PoliticalWires/_2003/_November/7

No I said:
Because a more civilized people will occupy areas that they want.

Look, you look anywhere in the world and it is brown people who want to live with white people, the only reason white people live with brown people is just out of pity.


Wow. That's a very interesting comment. I don't know but it seems to me - and this is just the way I see it, there will be no links to this - is that whenever you have white people living amoung people of color, it's usually to steal there resources... But that's just the way I see it. :)

QuarkMoon:

The act of surpressing anti-American sentiment is inherently anti-American. You lose.

To think that any one has "won or lost" is a primitive statement.

So, what you have summed up Quark, is that preserving the American way of life is Un-American. Primitive thinking on your part.

I wondered where some of these "good ol' folk" where coming from...

I guess everyone is entitled to get out there view... (http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12018.html)

Very interesting forum....

Wow. That's a very interesting comment. I don't know but it seems to me - and this is just the way I see it, there will be no links to this - is that whenever you have white people living amoung people of color, it's usually to steal there resources... But that's just the way I see it. :)Would you let the people of color know how bad it is to live around white people? Maybe then they would run away from white people instead of running to them.

No I'm not saying that. Yes it was wrong of the Europeans to colonize the Americas.

it wasn't wrong to colonize. it was just wrong to murder and enslave in order to do it.


What I am saying is that because Hispanic tend to be conservative, how will the Democrates be able to garnish their needed support in the coming future. I certainly don't want to see the USA get even more conservative. To me that's going backwards. No abortion rights, no homosexual rights ... perhaps even less religious tolerance?

yeah, but the majority of republicans and the majority of hispanics are at odds. hispanics are mainly catholic, while conservative americans are mainly evangelical protestants. these people do not always agree on the same issues. however, i think that we should lock the borders up and keep them out anyway, because if we continue on with this bullshit, we might as well just annex mexico.

Would you let the people of color know how bad it is to live around white people? Maybe then they would run away from white people instead of running to them.

People of color are not running to white people. They are attempting to feed their families. Just as the Irish, German, Russian, etc. immigrants to the USA have done before them. Where those white people running to white people?

Lets not make a race thing out of this althought this very thread is about race.

Does one of the writtings on the Statue of Liberty have to do with giving me your tired, hungry, huddled masses.... Is that ideal still valid? If not, why not? Or was the ideal only good for white people?

Every generation whines about their immigrants ... which then become the next generation and whine about their immigrants, etc, etc, etc...

Lets not make a race thing out of this althought this very thread is about race.
It is a race thing, and the mexicans know it:

http://www.eaglesup.com/WarningP1.html

Every generation whines about their immigrants ... which then become the next generation and whine about their immigrants, etc, etc, etc...
Ya, like the way Native Americans always whine about white people being in America.