How Many Deaths at Auschwitz?

9,000,000 persons
according to the documentary film Nuit et Brouillard (Tr.'s Note: "Night and Fog", title used in the English-speaking world) (1955), whose historical advisers were the historian Henri Michel and the woman historian Olga Wormser-Migot (1)
8,000,000 persons
according to the French War Crime Research Office and the French War Crime Information Service) (1945) (2)
7,000,000 persons
according to Raphaël Feigelson (1945) (3) ... http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/revision/faurdeat.htm

Who cares? It doesn’t mater how many people died, or who they were. The walls of buildings are still there, let people argue over why they were built (as concentration camps, work camps ext) but remember it as the first case of ethnic cleansing and given half the chance history will repeat with a different group of ‘others’.
‘Camp Commandant Rudolf Hoess admitted to a minimum figure of 2.5 million deaths at Auschwitz. Reflecting back some years later on the experiments in the basement of Block 11 and later in Gas Chamber and Crematorium 1, Hoess said:
At the time I did not think about the problem of killing Soviet prisoners of war. It was an order and I had to execute it. However, I will say frankly that killing that group of people by gas relieved my anxieties. It would soon be necessary to start the mass extermination of the Jews, and until that moment neither I Eichmann had known how to conduct a mass killing. A sort of gas was to be used, but it was not known what kind of gas was meant and how to use it. Now we had both the gas and the way of using it. I had always been concerned at the thought of mass shootings, particularly of women and children. I was already sick of executions. Now my mind was at ease.’
http://remember.org/educate/auschwitz.html

it matters how many people died, because Jews used it to gain poiltical symapty and that is why the west backed the creation of the Jewish State and very heavily financially suppport it. nowadays, European govermanets are not really supporting Israel anymore but America is literally supporting Israel as if it was an American state. America has exercised its political power many times for Israel by issueing 33 vettos against UN condemnation of Isreal. if it wasn't for the US, Israel would no longer exsist.

Exactly Preacher !! the jews use this mythical figure to sacre the west and keep milking them !!

Why don't you and your precocious protege go listen to the Quran (http://www.iec-houston.org/QuranAudio.shtml) and think pure thoughts about fully-clothed women, as teacher and pupil?

'Twould be far more productive than this thread.



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I apologize if I offended you, Proud Muslim, or you, Preacher X.

Don't feel threatened; I'm only after Allah.

let's say it was 500,000
what then? Jews should get any less sympathy? does it really change anything?

all those "genuine historians" that are "merely trying to find the historical accurate truth" are a bunch of hypocrites and liars.
what's wrong with 6,000,000? why would you doubt that? why would you start checking up on this official figure? why can you not accept it as it was officially declared and has been the official number for more than 50 years?

why would people tell themselves: "they say it's 6 million, but let's check just in case someone lied or miscalculated... we have very little evidence left, no accused to interrogate since they big fish are dead and those alive are small fish and are too old to remember anything anyway, and the witnesses are dead (except the victims themselves, but of course they're not credible)... but let's check it anyway!"

it could be several reasons:

1) the human mind always loves a conspiracy theory... hey, did you hear the one about the Elders of Zion?

2) people do not believe the official number because it must be a "Jewish fabrication", therefore the Jews lied, duped everyone, and manipulated world sympathy. Jews should be exposed for this lie, and repremanded.
in other words, classical anti-Semitism

3) people looking for anything to use against Israel. some of the arguments against it is completely ridiculous and this one falls under the category. i saw someone post here a few months ago something like "do you expect a zionist not to kill a baby?" or something like that... so people use the "6,000,000 is a Zionist / Jewish myth" in the same way

i think all those reasons are just one and the same: paranoid hateful people are trying to justify their hate for Jews in general and/or Israel in particular.

you find me one... ONE holocaust denier or reducer (i.e. an honest genuine historian merely looking for the historical accurate truth) who does not hate Jews or Israel

I don't know the figures for Auschwitz specifically, but I imagine they have been pinned down fairly accurately by now. The Nazis were meticulous record keepers during World War II.

There is good evidence that the total number of Jewish deaths due to Hitler's "final solution" was around 6 million.

It was too many.
Anything else is just numbers.

the jews use this mythical figure to sacre the west and keep milking them !!
Hmmm...
Most of us are not that stupid.
Dee Cee

Why don't you and your precocious protege go listen to the Quran and think pure thoughts about fully-clothed women, as teacher and pupil?Um ... Rappaccini? That one's just a little over the line.

... but... I don't want to delete it... :( *sniff*


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Besides, you have to admit that this thread is outrageous.
How exactly can the figure range from 500,000 to 6,000,000 dead?
The answer is it doesn't.

A Jewish/Zionist conspiracy, a clandestine conclave of merciless Hebrew media moguls, is manipulating the Western public in order to "milk" them of their sympathy and aid?

Yeah, right, and I'm Kilgore Trout, the famous science-fiction writer.

... but... I don't want to delete it... :( *sniff*


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Besides, you have to admit that this thread is outrageous.
How exactly can the figure range from 500,000 to 6,000,000 dead?
The answer is it doesn't..
exactly, why would anyone want to quantify the dead, only to deny the living? disprove the Halocaust, what ulterior motive would there be there?



A Jewish/Zionist conspiracy, a clandestine conclave of merciless Hebrew media moguls, is manipulating the Western public in order to "milk" them of their sympathy and aid?.
very sinister, but why can't any one prove it?
P_M, put your skills to the test




Yeah, right, and I'm Kilgore Trout, the famous science-fiction writer.
I knew it, same writing style, sense of humor, HI! Mr. Trout!

How Many Deaths at Auschwitz?

9,000,000 persons
& your point is?

The Jews were told to leave.... some did some didn't.

When you have " refugee camps" and not enough food even for your population, who do you feed?

People in camps without adequate facilities, are a danger to the whole country's population, epidemics, disease etc....

What do you do when you are at war ?

By the way who won ??????????????

A pointless thread, methinks.

Why'd you bring it up then?

Interesting and sad

Many of you act like you are crusaders here. We have to respect each other. PM just asked a question and wants to know your opinions about it. He doesnt want to know if its a stupid topic or not. I am sure that if someone else would have opened this topic no one would question if its a bad or good topic If 2 different religions can not respect each other on this forum then how can we expect these people to respect each other on the whole world?

I dont think that we can know the exact numbers. According to my German friend the numbers are much higher and according to my Israeli friend the numbers are exaggerated :bugeye:

Sometimes after reading some historical accounts,I think it was HOLOHOAX !

Sometimes after reading some historical accounts,I think it was HOLOHOAX !You're right PM! My great-aunt is just faking the extreme medical condition she is in because of the Holocaust.

Sometimes after reading some historical accounts,I think it was HOLOHOAX !
What a fucked up kind of statement is that PM? You're denying that millions of people were slaughtered? No matter how many were slaughtered, what was done to these people was appalling beyond description. The Nazis did keep records of how many were killed in the concentration camps. The bastards did it because they were proud of the numbers. As far as they were concerned, the more the better. Even when they were losing the war, the concentration camps were still running, because they wanted to exterminate as many Jews as they could. What historical accounts have you been reading anyway? The Nazi supporters version? Jesus Christ that would have to be one of the dumbest and most fucked up things you've ever come up with PM. You've come up with plenty, but this one is right up there with the best of them.

Pardon the french here but that statement has pissed me off! :mad:

Sometimes after reading some historical accounts,I think it was HOLOHOAX !

So, PM, you're cool with hate-mongering as long as it's not directed at you?

So, PM, you're cool with hate-mongering as long as it's not directed at you?
The saddest thing I fear is he honestly cannot intellectually grasp that concept porfiry. :(

The saddest thing I fear is he honestly cannot intellectually grasp that concept porfiry. :(
I actually think he can grasp the concept path. After reading his holohoax comment, what I find sadder still is that he doesn't seem to care.

Oh great, another "jews suck" thread by Proud Muslim.

http://webpages.charter.net/rylandpage/hate.gif

Somebody ban this [deleted].

Sometimes after reading some historical accounts,I think it was HOLOHOAX !

I think you answered Overdose's following question:


Interesting and sad

Many of you act like you are crusaders here. We have to respect each other. PM just asked a question and wants to know your opinions about it. He doesnt want to know if its a stupid topic or not. I am sure that if someone else would have opened this topic no one would question if its a bad or good topic
by showing you are a Proud Idiot,
if you were an honest researcher, you would probably ask that question on an historical chatroom, or a Holacaust website, then interview the survivors. watch "Schindler's List", read historical accounts or view old videos, it was documented, there are still US & Brit servicemen alive that liberated the camps, ask them.

If you have no human pity, compassion for them, you are not human, you are inhumane, an evil person, look into your life & motives, do you hate jews so much, that you would relegate them to the ovens? is there any human pity for anyone else, or do you only have it for muslims? so then, do you expect people to cry for you & your causes?

When you have " refugee camps" and not enough food even for your population, who do you feed?

Zarkov has referred to Hitler on other forums as "just a patriot". His hatred of Einstein has more to do with Einstein's Jewishness than his theories.

You're right PM! My great-aunt is just faking the extreme medical condition she is in because of the Holocaust.

I cant believe how many so called ' survivors ' of the HOLOHOAX are still alive until today ?? :rolleyes:

What a fucked up kind of statement is that PM? You're denying that millions of people were slaughtered? No matter how many were slaughtered, what was done to these people was appalling beyond description. The Nazis did keep records of how many were killed in the concentration camps. The bastards did it because they were proud of the numbers.

I was refering specifically to the Jewish HOLOHOAX not to other real HOLOCAUSTS such as the Russian one or the Polish one.

So, PM, you're cool with hate-mongering as long as it's not directed at you?

what hate ? questioning the HOLOHOAX becomes hate ?? what kind of FUCKED UP world we live in today ??

Beside, when someone rant and attack Muslims, you say it is FREEDOM OF SPEECH, but when I question the HOLOHOAX, it becomes hate !!

Man !! hypocrisy is shining sharp here !! :rolleyes:

Pardon the french here but that statement has pissed me off! :mad:

Amazing !! calling muslims all sort of names and degrading islam daily on this forum did not piss you off, questioning the HOLOHOAX pissed you off !! make me wonder how HYPOCRITE YOU ARE!!

I did not know it was holy HOAX for you as well ! :rolleyes:

Oh great, another "jews suck" thread by Proud Muslim.
Somebody ban this moron.

Hitler's Jewish Soldiers

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitbooklet.jpg
Military service book of "half-Jew" Hermann Aub

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitgeitner.jpg
"Half-Jew" Horst Geitner was awarded both the Iron Cross Second Class and the Silver Wound Badge

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitgoldberg.jpg
This photo of "half-Jew" Werner Goldberg, who was blond and blue-eyed, was used by a Nazi propaganda newspaper for its title page. Its caption: "The Ideal German Soldier."

See more photos here:

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righitpix.html

the Jawlan is also a hoax. it's actually the Golan :D
you'll never see it cause it was never yours, habibti

Amazing !! calling muslims all sort of names and degrading islam daily on this forum did not piss you off, questioning the HOLOHOAX pissed you off !! make me wonder how HYPOCRITE YOU ARE!!

I did not know it was holy HOAX for you as well ! :rolleyes:

If i may ask a question...

PM you are often provoked into getting all the verbal weapons at your disposal out and you wield them around swiping at the bigots and haters. However why do you stoop to their level. I have noticed this and it is actually not like you at your core.
i think i prefer it when you stick to the truths and keep things impersonal.
You yourself said to me how can you rationalise with a bigot ... i agree, in most cases it is a 'pearls to swine' scenario.
My advice is to keep to the facts - do not lower yourself and share in their iniquity.

peace

c20

there were tens of thousands of Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army.
it's a historical fact.

but they did not know about the Final Solution
and they also thought that if they joined the army they'll prove their patriotism and will be spared (along with their families) the other daily humiliations that Jews faced

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I am worried about your mental health because you use the F word so much.

Do you remember your own statements?

I was refering specifically to the Jewish HOLOHOAX not to other real HOLOCAUSTS such as the Russian one or the Polish one.

It sounds like your say that holocausts did happen, but that the people just happened to be Jewish.

Amazing !! calling muslims all sort of names and degrading islam daily on this forum did not piss you off, questioning the HOLOHOAX pissed you off !! make me wonder how HYPOCRITE YOU ARE!!

I did not know it was holy HOAX for you as well ! :rolleyes:
Really? And which Muslims have I called names and degraded? And I do it daily do I? I have spent half my time on this forum actually defending you when some have degraded Islam. You're damn right I'm pissed off about the 'holohoax' comment. You want to know why PM? My mother's brother is married a woman who'd spent her early childhood in a concentration camp. She somehow managed to survive while her whole family had been exterminated, and when she was released after the war ended, she was so scared that it would happen again that she changed religions. That poor woman lost everyone she loved during what you've termed the holohoax. You have absolutely no shame. So I take it you wont feel offended if any idiot on here comes out with a comment about how the sad plight of the Palestinians is a hoax? After all, they'd just be questioning it wouldn't they? That is how obscene you and your comments are.

Well I will add one Muslim that I will call names and degrade. That's right, It's you.

^^^^ This is what you need to avoid PM. Friendly advice.

Really? And which Muslims have I called names and degraded? And I do it daily do I? I have spent half my time on this forum actually defending you when some have degraded Islam. You fuckwit.

I am talking about others comments against Islam and muslims not your comments.


You're damn right I'm pissed off about the 'holohoax' comment. You want to know why PM? My mother's brother is married a woman who'd spent her early childhood in a concentration camp.

FOR SHIT SAKE !! who gives a SHIT ? My people are now living in JEWISH CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN GAZA AND THE WEST BANK ! WHO TALK ABOUT THEM ?????????? since Monday, the NAZI JEWS massacred more than 50 PALESTINEANS ( My people ) !! who talk about them ?

You want me to feel sorry for those JEWISH NAZIS ? :mad:


Well I will add one Muslim that I will call names and degrade. That's right you degenerate. It's you, you God damned BUFFOON!

Dont forget to add my copyright on the term HOLOHOAX ! thank you.

50 palastians...a massacre.

6 million jews...a hoax?

FOR SHIT SAKE !! who gives a SHIT ? My people are now living in JEWISH CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN GAZA AND THE WEST BANK ! WHO TALK ABOUT THEM ?????????? since Monday, the NAZI JEWS massacred more than 50 PALESTINEANS ( My people ) !! who talk about them ?

So I take it you're taking action like many of us about this? Lobbying the UN to do something. Writing protest letters to the Isreali Government. You are doing some of these things right? Staging protests against the killings in Gaza and the West Bank? Before you start accusing people of doing nothing, I'd suggest you ask first.


You want me to feel sorry for those JEWISH NAZIS ?
No you buffoon. I would want you to have some respect for the millions of people who were slaughtered at the hands of the Nazis, and not refer to it as a hoax. Just like you would rightly expect that we would have some respect for what the Palestinians are going through.


Dont forget to add my copyright on the term HOLOHOAX ! thank you.
Sorry you degenerate. But I am guessing that some neo nazi groups have coined that term before you did.

So I take it you're taking action like many of us about this? Lobbying the UN to do something. Writing protest letters to the Isreali Government. You are doing some of these things right? Staging protests against the killings in Gaza and the West Bank? Before you start accusing people of doing nothing, I'd suggest you ask first.

And of course you are very much concerned about the massacres committed against the palestineans, right ? :rolleyes:


No you buffoon. I would want you to have some respect for the millions of people who were slaughtered at the hands of the Nazis, and not refer to it as a hoax. Just like you would rightly expect that we would have some respect for what the Palestinians are going through.

of course I do have my utmost respect for those died during the nazi era, but I have no respect for JEWISH LIARS who want to make money out of the suffering of millions of NON JEWS , you should read the HOLOCAUST INDUSTRY book, it is an amazing book written by famous jewish writer.


Sorry you degenerate. But I am guessing that some neo nazi groups have coined that term before you did.

So you will continue calling names !! you are acting like little child !! it is all very amusing !! :p

And of course you are very much concerned about the massacres committed against the palestineans, right ? :rolleyes:

Actually yes I am PM. Hence why I lobby where I can and encourage others to do the same. Oh wait, that's right. I'm supposed to not care because I'm a hater right?


So you will continue calling names !! you are acting like little child !! it is all very amusing !!
I think you have a fair idea of where you can stick all your amusement.

Actually yes I am PM. Hence why I lobby where I can and encourage others to do the same. Oh wait, that's right. I'm supposed to not care because I'm a hater right?

You know bells, I dont believe you, you lied before, what will stop you from lying again!


I think you have a fair idea of where you can stick all your amusement.

Yes, in your face !! :D

I think we can take it for granted that "Proud Muslim" s a Zionist agitator. Not many real, non-terrorist Palestinians would drag their cause so self-defeatingly into the anti-human Nazi camp.

True, because the palestineans were the indirect victims of the nazis.

But the palestineans now compare between what the nazis did to the jews and what the jews are doing now to the palestineans, no much difference.

there is a huge difference the palestinians are terrorists and jews weren't furthermore
the palestinians are suffering casualties as a result of armed action while jews were slaughtered outright. There is no comparison at all you muslim bastard.

there is a huge difference the palestinians are terrorists and jews weren't furthermore
the palestinians are suffering casualties as a result of armed action while jews were slaughtered outright. There is no comparison at all you muslim bastard.

Your frustration amuse me. Israelis are killing innocent civilians it is same as what germans did. Now if israelis would only kill Hamas and arafats terror network then it would have been all justified. But why do you care? why bother right?

hmm.. America executes some prisoners, Saddam killed hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of his own citizens, not to mention the chemical attack on Iraqi Kurds.

there is absolutely no difference between America and Saddam's Iraq

just as there is no difference between Nazis and Israelis. Nazis killed people, the Israeli army is killing people.

it's the same... like 2 drops of water
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not

all the fucktards have to say is one little sentence "Jews are acting like Nazis"
and then to argue back you have to write at least a paragraph... is it even worth the effort? i mean, fucktards will be fucktards... muslim or not

This thread was suspect to begin with, in denying historical fact. However, I let it run, because I do not like giving bigots a reason to shout "Censorship!"

The thread has now degenerated into inciting hatred against members of a particular religious group, however.

Which ever way you look at it, there is no discussion of history happening here. Hence, the thread is off-topic for this forum.

Thread closed.