Could it be that they're xenophobic/racist?
Or as I suspect, non existent?
Or a cultural figment just as we tend to 'see' a lot more ghosts and evil spirits in Africa than Europeans or Americans?

Could it be that they're xenophobic/racist?
Or as I suspect, non existent?
Or a cultural figment just as we tend to 'see' a lot more ghosts and evil spirits in Africa than Europeans or Americans?

Good question. I suspect it is cultural. Gullable Europeans use to believe in pixies, fairies and demons. Now gullable Europeans believe in little green men from outerspace.

UFO reports are a global phenomenon, as are ET reports.

Belief in visiting ETs is HUGE in Peru, esp among the older folks.

I don't know much about this story and certainly don't endorse it as authentic, but there is a famous story from 1994, of 62 children in Zimbabwe who allegedly saw a UFO land on their playground and were greeted by aliens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79_tSPAczic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOhpbJ8pz50

Note also that by seaching for "African UFO" I get over 100,000 hits.

Could it be that they're xenophobic/racist?
Or as I suspect, non existent?
Or a cultural figment just as we tend to 'see' a lot more ghosts and evil spirits in Africa than Europeans or Americans?

Bingo. It's a cultural thing, like the Chupacabra.

Bingo. It's a cultural thing, like the Chupacabra.

How can you say that when the original claim is false? That is blatant crackpottery.

... and pathological skepticism

I live in the middle east, and I've never heard of a reported UFO sighting in my country

It's a global phenomenon. China has had many reports, there was a mass sighting there one time a long time ago. There was sightings made over Australia just recently and there have been many more from other countries.

The OP question is wrong.

Good question. I suspect it is cultural. Gullable Europeans use to believe in pixies, fairies and demons. Now gullable Europeans believe in little green men from outerspace.

Rubbish.

Sightings occur all over the world. We just hear prominently about our own because it is in our own country.

It's a global phenomenon. China has had many reports, there was a mass sighting there one time a long time ago. There was sightings made over Australia just recently and there have been many more from other countries.


Yeah, from all these sightings it's obvious that the Earth is apparently on an intergalactic "Senic Drive" so it would appear that aliens make it by all the time to get a look at us.

I've heard (from good sources) that ETs visit the UK alone thousands of times a year.

(Some say they even live among them, and you can tell the aliens from the true Brits by looking at their teeth.)

Yeah, from all these sightings it's obvious that the Earth is apparently on an intergalactic "Senic Drive" so it would appear that aliens make it by all the time to get a look at us.

I've heard (from good sources) that ETs visit the UK alone thousands of times a year.

(Some say they even live among them, and you can tell the aliens from the true Brits by looking at their teeth.)

You are basing this by basically saying, ''every UFO observation is a real ET account!''

I don't even outrightly say it was ET, but if the UFO's are, not all of them can be and I'd bet damn sure many sightings do in fact have explanations, conventional or not. There are however some UFO cases which are so extraordinary they lye outside that comfortable zone.

And yes, on a good year the Ministry of Defense will have records of over a 1000 reports, and take into account that most brilliant sightings are sometimes never properly reported. As have been noted before, not everyone has a cam-corder ready or are not willing to report because of ridicule.

You are basing this by basically saying, ''every UFO observation is a real ET account!''

What evidence do you have that they are not?

You claim that SOME of them are, so why not all?

And yes, on a good year the Ministry of Defense will have records of over a 1000 reports, and take into account that most brilliant sightings are sometimes never properly reported. As have been noted before, not everyone has a cam-corder ready or are not willing to report because of ridicule.

Nearly EVERYONE has a camcorder ready now.

NOTHING that extrodinary wouldn't get taped with someone's phone based camera.

What ridicule would there be to a nice crisp HD video of ET?

Indeed an actual video of an ET would likely make you big bucks on You-Tube

Nearly EVERYONE has a camcorder ready now.

NOTHING that extrodinary wouldn't get taped with someone's phone based camera.

What ridicule would there be to a nice crisp HD video of ET?

Really? I don't own a mobile because they give me headaches. I know a few friends who don't use mobiles either.

Not everyone obviously.

What evidence do you have that they are not?

You claim that SOME of them are, so why not all?

Because whilst some observations do defy explanations, other's are too obviously real terrestrial phenomenon. I'm not one of these wild cards who frivolously and erreneously believe that all sightings are the real mackoy.

Only a fool would.

Really? I don't own a mobile because they give me headaches. I know a few friends who don't use mobiles either.

Not everyone obviously.

You are a rare duck then.

Over 80% of US adults have a cell phone and almost all cell phones today, even the cheapest work as a decent camera and many of them work as a decent video camera.

Because whilst some observations do defy explanations, other's are too obviously real terrestrial phenomenon. I'm not one of these wild cards who frivolously and erreneously believe that all sightings are the real mackoy.

Only a fool would.

Well then what percent do you think are real?

You are a rare duck then.

Over 80% of US adults have a cell phone and almost all cell phones today, even the cheapest work as a decent camera and many of them work as a decent video camera.

Today maybe. Within how long have these 'high tech' phones been about?

Serious question.

Well then what percent do you think are real?

In a year... maybe roughly... 10% give or take a few. I bet many of the unexplainable cases are still under lock and key with the Ministry of Defense. I don't believe the Freedom of Information act is as... effective as they claim. Call me a skeptic on that one.

Today maybe. Within how long have these 'high tech' phones been about?

Serious question.

Well over a decade.

By 2003, more camera phones were sold worldwide than stand-alone digital cameras.

In 2005, Nokia became the world's most sold digital camera brand.

In 2006, half of the world's mobile phones had a built-in camera.

In 2008, Nokia sold more camera phones than Kodak sells film based simple cameras, thus became the biggest manufacturer of any kind of camera.

In 2010, the worldwide number of camera phones totaled more than a billion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_phone

In a year... maybe roughly... 10% give or take a few. I bet many of the unexplainable cases are still under lock and key with the Ministry of Defense. I don't believe the Freedom of Information act is as... effective as they claim. Call me a skeptic on that one.

With instant upload to Facebook and Youtube, there is no need for FOIA.

So in the last decade, theoretically we should be expecting more video evidence... I suppose this will be of bad investigation though since youtube is hardly a reliable source :/

With instant upload to Facebook and Youtube, there is no need for FOIA.

I am interested in real cases. I just mentioned that youtube is hardly reliable. So many doctored video's nowadays you know?

I'd rather read a classic paper work.

So in the last decade, theoretically we should be expecting more video evidence...

And yet we have none.

But of course you don't find that interesting?



I suppose this will be of bad investigation though since youtube is hardly a reliable source :/

It can be.

Because if there are indeed 100 REAL ET visits in the UK alone (your estimate) then at least 10% of them should get a decent video, so on a global scale we should have hundreds of decent videos of these ET visitors each year, so many that the proof of their existence would not be an issue.

But we don't have ANY.

Which is pretty funny.

Because once one could make the claim that they saw things and we get a drawing, but that excuse doesn't cut it for at least the last decade.

So if they are coming by at 100 per year in the UK alone, where are the VIDEOS????

And yet we have none.

But of course you don't find that interesting?




It can be.

Because if there are indeed 100 REAL ET visits in the UK alone (your estimate) then at least 10% of them should get a decent video, so on a global scale we should have hundreds of decent videos of these ET visitors each year, so many that the proof of their existence would not be an issue.

But we don't have ANY.

Which is pretty funny.

Because once one could make the claim that they saw things and we get a drawing, but that doesn't cut for the last decade.

So where are the VIDEOS????

Well, who can trust a youtube video nowadays?

It is true that the video's on youtube on UFO's have exponentially incresed, even over the last few years. I have over the last few years, seen this myself. But so many are either (very well doctored) or others are doctored due to bad graphics.

Personally, there are a few bonafide video's on there, such as the Australian triangle UFO's observed, (which had been observed in two countries) seperately within 10 to maybe more hours. There is a video on the Pheonix Lights - I know that was authentic because the original video's have surfaced on documentary's.

So many skeptics today are quite happy at places like youtube because they are far too ready to seize the opportunity that it harvests many fake video's just to gladden their points.

No, I'm talking about clear contemporary videos.

No, I'm talking about clear contemporary videos.

Well, both those video's I mentioned are actually quite clear. Not super clear... I mean afterall, both were taken at night. The greatest fraction of UFO's are observed during the night.

The most trustworthy cases are made by many people.

For instance, in my own thread, who would have ever believed me if it wasn't for you?

you'd be surprised to find how easily people believe in something they think they saw.

There are plenty of videos, not to mention cine film footage from as far back as the fifties, that have never been convincingly explained. If you've not seen any of these by now then you're not looking hard enough or maybe your psuedo sceptical mindset is blinding you as to just how bizarre some of them are. Psuedo sceptics will come out with the usual stuff about every single one of them being hoaxes/misidentifications/balloons etc. and, whilst I will admit that these videos/films are inconclusive on their own, it does appear to me that taken along with some of the photographic evidence, they certainly add extra weight to the probability that some really weird stuff appears to be flying around in our atmosphere. I would like to see some of the gun camera footage or other military footage / photos of these objects which has apparently been shot. That might be very interesting indeed.

Oh, another thing! If any video did appear that showed what appeared to be a solid nuts and bolts craft, who amognst the sceptics would believe it anyway? You'd all simply cry hoax.

you'd be surprised to find how easily people believe in something they think they saw.
Occam's razor; maybe they saw what they thought they saw. Maybe the laws of physics allow lots of really strange phenomena that skeptics routinely dismiss.

People are imaginative and can be deluded, but these supernatural occurances are man made, and have been practiced for about 5000 years from time to time.

People are imaginative and can be deluded, but these supernatural occurances are man made, and have been practiced for about 5000 years from time to time.
I disagree. The very large number of stars in the Milky Way suggests a very high likelihood that aliens exist. Our civilization is only 5 to 8 thousand years. When compared to the age of the earth, age of the universe, there are likely to be intelligent civilizations that have been around significantly longer than ours.

Do any of these ET civilizations have warp drive tech of some kind? I just submitted a paper in FQXI that outlines how an acceleration field generator works. So, in my opinion, ET can get to earth and get back home for supper.

It is my view that the UFO phenomena is 98% imagination, 2% ET activity. I think this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mu5KomiEDc) describes real ET activity. This video does too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrMSpBeSU84&feature=related). It's a message from ET telling us to play nice.

I disagree. The very large number of stars in the Milky Way suggests a very high likelihood that aliens exist. Our civilization is only 5 to 8 thousand years. When compared to the age of the earth, age of the universe, there are likely to be intelligent civilizations that have been around significantly longer than ours.

Other worlds with intelligent beings? Billions and billions.

Ugly aliens on other worlds - Zero.
Ugly aliens visiting earth - Zero.
Ugly aliens on earth - hundreds?
UFO phenomenon - happens daily.
Hoaxes, delusions and denial - just ask the masses.
Real sightings by sane and intelligent people - you bet.
Official answer - weather balloons.

I believe a lot of the time it is our lack of understanding about how the mind works in a universal context that creates all this confusion about aliens etc.
For example we dont understand the nature of dreams and how they can manifest into the conscious world seemlessly and with out notice. Other wise referred to as hallucinations by some, and manifestations of a denied reality by others.
We also. I believe, underestimate the extent of what was coined years ago as "cuture shock" when a technological and psych. advanced being enters the room so to speak.
after all conspiracy theories about the "illuminati" have been around for years and most think of them as being mere "human intellects" of a superior calibre.

The Illuminati breaded themselves into the fabric of civilization from the start. Their mark, the eye of Horus predates just about anything. Horus could have existed as a king, seen as god. This should be considered. Check the dynasties who sported Horus, some may be connected. Also check those who remained loyal to canine headed Seth, he was clearly their great enemy and if my theory is correct he is the patron of Egypt. Uncover the seth dog.