I am not fat but I need to lose all my body fat for soccer. I am in an over the hill co-ed league but I want to be in top shape to play in competitive league before I no longer can. I am gaining about 10 pounds per year after I graduated from college. (I put on 25 pounds so far) I am worried. I need some tips for losing weight. I heard diet never works? I heard running doesn't work and walking works better? I also heard cutting down fat doesn't help but cutting carbohydrate does? I heard drinking water helps? Any help appreciated.

Drink coke? Cutting that out completely can help.

Cut down on fatty foods and junk food or take them out completely.

and I don't know what you heard but running has always worked for me. But it only works if you're willing to do distances of actual challenge.

or start to train at some martial arts:D
don't eat junk food
don't drink soft-drinks

worked for me:cool:. wonder if not too much:eek:

Tyler is right. I stopped drinking sodas and lost 15 pounds in 3 weeks, just like that.

It's simple, don't eat any empty calories.

Also, becoming vegan makes most empty calories out of bounds, wink wink.

hehe, ok I wont preach.

Seriously though, avoid empty calories (sweets) at all costs, and don't mix fats with carbs ever(well as little as possible anyways - that means no bread with your steak, or no butter on ur bread, or no desert after spaghetti type of deal). If you actually have the self control to do this, you will most definitely lose a lot of weight, and keep it off, since its not a 'fad' thing, just common sense.

I'm also assuming you have an excercise routine?
good. On top of that doing light excercises in the morning (a light jog!) and before you go to bed (some pushups, situps and stuff) are very effective at killing fat and take very little time.

Seriously though, avoid empty calories (sweets) at all costs, and don't mix fats with carbs ever(well as little as possible anyways - that means no bread with your steak, or no butter on ur bread, or no desert after spaghetti type of deal). If you actually have the self control to do this, you will most definitely lose a lot of weight, and keep it off, since its not a 'fad' thing, just common sense. really?
Very often before my training I eat a little chocolate, because I feal I'm too "weak" to whitstand it with no additional energy.
fats and carbs?? I never remember which is which...
bread with no butter? I always eat bread with butter (no margarine, it's chemical)....So I do not follow all your rools

except that I always eat only 100% natural food.
no hamburgers, no half-fabricats, etc

, but I can't gain any additioal weight. I'm 1.74m high and 55kg...I could really use some additional weight, but I don't like eating much thus I stay at the same weight.
I think that my trainings influence me much, because I probably spare as much energy during my trainings as I gain eating.

Originally posted by lotuseatsvipers
It's simple, don't eat any empty calories.

Seriously though, avoid empty calories (sweets) at all costs, and don't mix fats with carbs ever(well as little as possible anyways - that means no bread with your steak, or no butter on ur bread, or no desert after spaghetti type of deal).

I'm also assuming you have an excercise routine?
good. On top of that doing light excercises in the morning (a light jog!) and before you go to bed (some pushups, situps and stuff) are very effective at killing fat and take very little time.

Definitely agree on the sugar thing. Watch the carbs, like eating too many starches.

[Lotus, what's the reasoning behind not mixing fats and carbs? Do you mean starchy carbs, or all carbs including veggies?]

Continuing with the advice, just stay away from processed food, fast food. Lot of that crap has hydrogenated oil (transfats), MSG, hydrolyzed protein and autolyzed yeasts that are added to give "meaty" flavors to food, that end up dumping a lot of sodium into the body. Eat plenty of good fats, such as olive oil, coconut oil (satisfies butter cravings, and is reminiscent of bacon fat, I love it.), vegetable oils, nuts. I believe you said in another thread that you were going vegan, so fish oil might not be your thing. If you are going vegan, read more into soy, which is most likely becoming your protein mainstay. There's a lot of research out there pro and con, such as the phytoestrogens among other things may have hormonal implications --> metabolism of fat, etc. I'm not anti-soy, just so's you know, I eat some myself, just want you to be aware that as it is becoming more and more of a major food staple for the world, so a lot more research is coming out on it.

The most important exercise for fat burning is aerobic. You don't have to run or jog, but getting your heartrate up to aerobic levels several times a week is crucial to switch your body from a fat-storing to a fat-burning vehicle. A forty-five minute walk will usually do.

Good luck!

John Le Coq

[Lotus, what's the reasoning behind not mixing fats and carbs? Do you mean starchy carbs, or all carbs including veggies?]

It's the same reasoning body builders have been using for many many years now, and the same reasoning that has just become 'pop culture' in pathetic diets like atkins.

I admit, I cant attest to it being sound science, but it seems logical. That is we use carb storages first, and then go to fat. If you dont have any carbs you'll burn the fat doing mundane things. While if you only have carbs, you more than likely wont store any fat. I don't live by this, but I have seen its effects in weight lose and they are quiet good. It just seems logical to me, it might be incorrect. What do you think?

It really does depend on his lifestyle and eating habits though.

lotus- Fats and carbs both add glycerides the body, which is available for energy consumption. Starchy carbs and sugar will increase insulin levels, which prevent glycogen stores in the muscle and fat tissues from being used for energy until glucose in the blood is used up. So I imagine fat that is ingested at the same time as carbs would be used up as well. I'm not totally hip on this, but I will pose the question to the newsgroup sci.med.nutrition, where they're mad about subjects like this.

I'm confident that a reasonable amount of good fat (low saturation, high in EFAs) with carbs can't be all that bad for you. Now a big plate of cheese ravioli with a couple of beers... mmmm...

John Le Coq

Yes you feel about the same on the topic as I. It really depends on your lifestyle and what you usually eat. Putting olive oil on the veg's I cook is not a bad thing. Eating potatoe chips with a steak is. I can't really put the difference between those two into words. but thats what I mean.

Nutrition, Joeman, that has to be the start of it.

Don't ask your body to carry you around the footie pitch like a trojan for 90 minutes if you're only gonna give it Coke and burgers (please, I'm not assuming - just making a general point).

I could bang on and on about yer 50 grams of protein daily, green leafy veggies, no saturated fats yadah yadah yadah, but a much easier way is to check out some books by Adelle Davis.

I found 'Let's Eat Right To Get (or is it 'Keep?) Fit' in an old bookshop a few years ago. It was first written in 1958 I think, 'updated' in 1970 for my version, but I know there have been updates/reprints and the like and plenty of titles are available in North America, where I think she comes from.

Even then it was very critical of the direction being taken by the general North American diet. F**k knows what the more recent updates say.

Anyway, she goes into great detail about what foodstuffs are gonna give you what benefits (including some pretty remarkable ones), gives evidence, research, case histories and basically all the info (I needed anyway) to plan a healthy, nutritous diet. Doesn't have to be boring and/or taste like shit...

Then I began to wonder 'why IS all the bread I can buy now white and full of additives?', 'why IS there flouride in my water?', 'why HAVE all the good old basic foods (natural peanut butter, genuine wholegrain bread, unsaturated oils etc) all but disappeared from the shelves?'

Yeah, of course I'll find a conspiracy in it, but seriously chap, just from buying a copy of that book I am now a static 66 kilos (sorry, don't do pounds any more), at 5' 10" (ah the English, we don't confuse our systems). I do little exercise, smoke, occasionally drink, eat more or less wtf I like when I like, but know enough to avoid anything processed, packaged, McDonalds etc.

Oh, and I'm veggie, but that is for my personal reasons and zero per se to do with nutrition, other than I don't want CJD for Xmas.

Let me know how you get on


:)

About working out...

Some scientists (British I think. They always do those weird researches. No offense :)) did a research about what time it is better to work out, so the result was at the evening around 20:00 and 21:00. At this time of day your endurance is at its peak, so you can work out longer than in the morning (and thus lose more calories).

Ya but you burn fat if you run right when you wake up (no calories in your system so you have to burn the fat for fuel - also you can't imagine the energy boost it gives you for the rest of the day, runners high is great!). That is why I said wake up and jog or something. I also said to do something at night, because it kicks on your metabolism while you sleep and can really shave the pounds rather than store them. I'm a night person so I've always found it easier to work out later in the day or nighttime, so I do agree with the study.

Whatever you do, its not worth drinking michelob ultra in order to cut your beer calories. If you do that I will hunt you down and laugh at you (everyone else on the planet will think your normal...and I doubt you hold my opinion over a few billion others, oh well:( )

Let me give you one other very commmon sense thought. Reduce your proportions. If you would get 4 spoonfulls only get 2. Never get seconds. Eat slowly as this allows time for you to feel full. (In otherwords, chew it to death)

Walking, walking briskly, jogging, sprinting, anyone know if any is more effective (and why?)

Walking, walking briskly, jogging, sprinting, anyone know if any is more effective (and why?)
Jogging, because its common knowledge that you burn the most fat at a 'target heart rate' that would be best reached when doing a light jog and maintaining that jog for about half hour or more.

Sprinting can't be done for long enough, and the other two dont get your heart rate high enough. Doing anything is better than doing nothing....

Taekwon-Do or any other martial arts trainings.

You literaly melt your fat and water away. Just have to take it serious and not stop in less than a half and an hour.

I have the final and definitive answer to this plaguing question:

"The discovery that PYY3-36 suppresses appetite could be of huge benefit to those struggling with weight problems "
Just take a magic pill!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2176391.stm

Originally posted by Avatar
Taekwon-Do or any other martial arts trainings.

You literaly melt your fat and water away. Just have to take it serious and not stop in less than a half an hour.
Got any links? I'm too lazy to get off the net. :p

Try lopping off your arms. You don't need them for soccer anyway.:D

I have the final and definitive answer to this plaguing question:

"The discovery that PYY3-36 suppresses appetite could be of huge benefit to those struggling with weight problems "
Just take a magic pill!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2176391.stm

I wouldn't take things like those pills. I hate things like anesthetics and stuff because it kind of makes me feel that everything is normal, when it's anything but normal.

It's like that Redbull thing. :bugeye:

Originally posted by BloodSuckingGerbile


I wouldn't take things like those pills. I hate things like anesthetics and stuff because it kind of makes me feel that everything is normal, when it's anything but normal.

It's like that Redbull thing. :bugeye:

haha, well the post was mostly in jest...

that being said, what I have seen in studies on this (somewhat)new discovery is nothing short of amazing.

I see something like this as more of a fix for someone already obese though, 'magic' weight pills freighten me a little. I see it as just another decline in societies ability to get off its 'lazy' ass and make a change (whether that be inside yourself or within society).

For people that need a start somewhere this is a dream come true, and I hope it comes to market as fast as it can. Heart disease is the number killer here in the US...

Hate to rain down on you.

I don't eat hardly any veg, I eat junk food all the time and drink Coke by the gallon.

And guess what. I'm as skinny as anything

Originally posted by Thor
Hate to rain down on you.

I don't eat hardly any veg, I eat junk food all the time and drink Coke by the gallon.

And guess what. I'm as skinny as anything
Rain down on who?

oh and the funny thing...It'll comeback to haunt you in no time. You're not 16 forever...:p

I know very few college students who ate like that and didnt get pudgy their first 2 years.

And lots of people eat like that at your age, especially Americans anyways. Sure your not getting fat but its in your best interest as far as health is concerned, those are your growing years and your most important years to eat correct nutrition.

Don't eat any sugar. Read the labels on everything you buy to make sure. Twenty-five percent of the products in any grocery store are sugar based products or have sugar added to them, many of which will surprise you. Sugar is a crystalline cabohydate that burns fast and if you aren't expending energy it goes directly into fat. Also, sugar is what causes acne. The sugar industry has known this for years but effectively suppresses that information. Don't eat salt or any other crystalline substance.

So, what do you think is more important in losing weight - watching what you eat, or doing exercise? (Yes, I know you're supposed to do both, but which is more important?) :confused: :)

So, what do you think is more important in losing weight - watching what you eat, or doing exercise? (Yes, I know you're supposed to do both, but which is more important?)

miss firefly:

If you step on a treadmill, you can see how many calories you burn from exercise. To answer your question, compare that number with your daily calory intake. (The answer in the back of the book is......Diet) The calories you burn from 20 minutes of cardiovescular exercise is around 30-40 range. Most people don't have endurance or time to go beyond 20 minutes. Your daily calory intake should be around couple thousands. Most of your calories get used up by your body metabolism.

I started this thread mainly to get different ideas about losing weight from different people. If you are gaining weight, you need to both watch what you eat and exercise. Having more muscle will burn more calories. Going on dieting is not as important as watching what you eat. It's possible to eat very little food but still gain weight because the food itself contains lots of calories. You need to limit your calory intake to below 1300 to lose weight for most people. That's the key really.

One word: LAXATIVES. :D LOL! I'm just joking, laxatives are dangerous, hahaha. I just like to say the world. Laaaax-a-tivvvess. But seriously, people can die from dehydration, because all their liquids come rushing out of their -ahem- . :D

Let's see, real advice would be probably whatever everyone has already said. :)

Have more sex. It's a great exercise, and does wonders for the body. :D :D

Originally posted by Joeman
I am not fat but I need to lose all my body fat for soccer. I am in an over the hill co-ed league but I want to be in top shape to play in competitive league before I no longer can. I am gaining about 10 pounds per year after I graduated from college. (I put on 25 pounds so far) I am worried. I need some tips for losing weight. I heard diet never works? I heard running doesn't work and walking works better? I also heard cutting down fat doesn't help but cutting carbohydrate does? I heard drinking water helps? Any help appreciated.





Joeman,


(1) If you smoke pot...........stop(munchies)
(2) Stay away from all you can eat....

well, in a nutshell: eat right and exercise.... btw...a little self-discipline never hurt anything either...

Fat? Well... DONT EAT SO MUCH!!!

I used to be fairly educated in this subject, but recently I kept hearing conflicting research results.

I heard running doesn't work and walking is better....and then I heard just the opposite recently.

I also heard going on diet doesn't work either. Your body just go on survival mode and lower your metabolism.

Originally posted by Joeman
I used to be fairly educated in this subject, but recently I kept hearing conflicting research results.

I heard running doesn't work and walking is better....and then I heard just the opposite recently.

I also heard going on diet doesn't work either. Your body just go on survival mode and lower your metabolism.

The key to getting your body slim is your metabolism. If you really want to lose weight in a healthy way, you MUST do some kind of cardio exercise.

You should do a cardio exercise first thing in the morning, on an empty stomach for at least 30-45 mintues every other day. Always give yourself a day in between to heal. Also add weight training (if you don't already), because muscle burns fat like crazy. The amino acid supplement L-Glutamine is great for burning fat instead of muscle when working out.

Nutrition wise, switch from pre-processed foods, and stay away from fast-food like the plague. Do some searches on the net for low-fat meal recipes you can make at home, these sites should also give you a breakdown of calories and fat grams in the meal.

The last bit of advice, it to stay away from juices(too much sugar and calories), and stick with water and fruits and vegs. Running burns too much muscle and walking is for senior citizens, so stay away from these two.

Here is a great link http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbmainnut.htm

Hope this helps.

EDIT- Forgot to tell you to split your eating into six small meals a day. This will speed up your metabolism and keep your body constantly fed. The typical diet of three meals a day will not be very effective for you, as your body will starve in between the meals.

Try this:

7:00am - Breakfast
10:00am(or whenever you get a break at work) - Meal 2, prepare it at home and bring it to work.
Lunchtime - Lunch
3:00pm - Meal 4
7:00pm - Dinner

Start off with Five meals a day, working it into your job schedule, then work your way up to six meals a day.

Originally posted by static76
You should do a cardio exercise first thing in the morning, on an empty stomach for at least 30-45 mintues every other day. Always give yourself a day in between to heal.


i can't even shower in the morning with an empty stomach.. if i don't eat anything i faint!

Originally posted by Frieda
i can't even shower in the morning with an empty stomach.. if i don't eat anything i faint!

If you eat six meals throughout the day, your body shouldn't notice it. Of course, you could always eat some fruit before you workout, if you have no energy. But no energy in the morning could be an indication of poor nutrition.

Nice tips. It is easier said than done though. :D

An article from men's health magazine said walking is more effective than running. In fact it says walking is the best way to burn fat. Basically there are several types of fuels your body burn. The glucose is considered grade A. It is fast and clean. There is the complex type of glucose store in the liver. I can't remember it's name. There is the type that gives you bad muscle eches. It is for emergency only. Again I can't remember it's name. Fat is the lowest grade. When you do intense exercise, your body burns grade A fuel until you fatigue stops. When your exercise is not so intense, your body is more likely to burn the low grade fuel. Therefore walking is better at burning fat than running.

I disagree running burn muscle. I have muscular legs from running a lot in soccer. My upper body disproportionally smaller because I don't work on it much. Marathon runners are super skinny because they need to be to be a good runner. Some probably don't eat enough to replentish their enegy. There is only one condition when you can burn muscle. (besides starving) That is when you overwork. Overwork means you damage muscle from intense exercises, such as weight lifting, and you didn't allow your muscle any time to heal before you exercise again.

Raising metabolism is a good point. That article I read said you should walk and raise your heart rate 3 times a week for 20 minutes. You walk to burn fat, and you raise heart rate to increase metabolism.

Right now I already lost 5 pounds in about a month just from stop eating junk food and drink water instead of soda or juices.

Exercise. Use stimulants. Exercise. Ok, three answers. Don't eat like a shark in a frothing, bloody mass of chum thrown from the boat of some blue-jean cutoff wearing pirate.

Cut carbs esp. simple sugars but don't forget that eating a potato is the same as eating a half cup of raw sugar, breads pasta are also off limits. Eat plenty of protien and vegetables, this will help you maintain your muscle and help to keep your metabolism high.

For exercise you need a variety, try walking 3 times a week and jogging 2 times a week. It would be a good idea during your walks to carry some lite weights and work your arms too.

One thing I forgot to mention in my other post is that while losing weight you need to drink at least 64oz of water a day a 100oz is even better.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joeman

[I am not fat but I need to lose all my body fat for soccer.]


STOP EATING THOSE CHOCOLATS

ok.. this works for me before a pageant....

go to the store, pick up alot of fruit juice, try for a nice variety, and a terribly large amount of campbells soup.
im sure you can see where this is going, of course, watch the contents of the things you buy, although most campbells soups are pretty healthy diet wise.
always take a supplementary vitamin, otherwise you body may not be receiving something it needs, and will keep storing food, getting you no where.
If you follow this strictly for 2 weeks, with regular excercise, (and it is VERY tough after 10 days of veggie soup. lol... ) you should be able to loose about 20 lbs. no, it isn't the healthiest thing to do to your body, but it works. just make sure you always have a little of something in you tummy, and you body doesn't worry about storing food. for a snack or desert fruit and cheese will help digest foods easily. and of course, lots of water.

Are noodles seriously just saturated fat? :bugeye:

Originally posted by Firefly
Are noodles seriously just saturated fat? :bugeye:

No. Noodles are seriously just complex carbohydrate.

although most campbells soups are pretty healthy diet wise


what!? read the label!!! i've yet to see a "healthy" campbells soop (1 letter away from poop)

1 serving = 40% reccomended sodium, 2.5 servings per can
=100% reccomended sodium in 1 can!!!!

and look at all the preseratives, stableizers, ect in that garbage.

just eat some healthy food, watch what you put in your body. thats the best way to lose weight (in a healty way/manner)

you have a good point.... i was just going mostly for speed. lol.

ahhhh......speed. good ol' crystal meth. now thats the way to lose weight fast! i mean why just cut the fat? might as well lose muscle, brains and skeleton while your at it. (oh yah some teeth too)

lol.. not THAT kind of speed... thanks for the uh.. mental pic... -shivers-...:eek: :p

Originally posted by Joeman
I am not fat but I need to lose all my body fat for soccer. I am in an over the hill co-ed league but I want to be in top shape to play in competitive league before I no longer can. I am gaining about 10 pounds per year after I graduated from college. (I put on 25 pounds so far) I am worried. I need some tips for losing weight. I heard diet never works? I heard running doesn't work and walking works better? I also heard cutting down fat doesn't help but cutting carbohydrate does? I heard drinking water helps? Any help appreciated.




Joeman,

** Don't know much but natural fibers(keep it moving)

** Men who don't have babies often look 9-months, in my neck of the woods, anyway much beer&pot.

** Tolerate bake foods(fish,chicken...etc)

Originally posted by Joeman
No. Noodles are seriously just complex carbohydrate.
So... is that good? Is it gonna make me fat? :bugeye: :(

:p