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hmm... Do you want a pat on the back?



I have always believed in my system, although it has been catastrophic.


Catastrophic... That's not good.



It has led to chronic descrimmination, patchy employment and desparate poverty


Did you move to Canada? did you flee Canada?

... I'm not from the UK - but from what you described, your tax reform was/is nothing to be proud of. Sometimes a slice of happiness should be foregone for stability.

- Shifty Russian
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Well, it's a small world! River Ape (along with Jacqui Lait, subsequently shadow Secretary of State for Scotland) represented Strathclyde University at the National Conservative Student Conference in the same year that Madsen Pirie (founder and President of the Adam Smith Institute) and Douglas Mason represented St Andrews.

However, River Ape has always been under the impression that it was Douglas Mason who invented the Poll Tax! Did Douglas acknowledge your authorship of the Poll Tax? Did you claim it for yourself during Douglas's lifetime. (He died last year.)

Did you know that Adam Smith himself was hostile to Poll Taxes?

River Ape was among the demonstrators against the Poll Tax on the day of the famous riot, and suffered a smashed finger. The finger was one of a set of four holding a railing when a policeman decided to hit it with his baton. It turned (quite literally) black and blue and swelled up to the size of two ordinary fingers, and was a phenomenon of astonishment to his friends and colleagues.

I so wouldn't admit to inventing the poll tax in the UK :D

i will refrain from any anger or aggression towards you,

but frankly my man your an asshole, (thats from the people not just me)



peace

Moral of the story: Never admit that you pissed in the punch bowl.

Why is everyone so angry with the Poll Tax under Thatcher, but so happy to embrace Tony Blair's big shiny new national Poll Tax.

BLAIR'S ID CARD WILL FORCE EVERY PERSON IN THE UK TO PAY A FLAT CHARGE

***THE ID CARD IS A HIDDEN POLL TAX***

What difference is there between my Poll Tax and Tony Blair's identity card...

...Mine was set by local democracies, his is a flat 50 pounds or so,regardless of the poverty of the area.
...Mine went to pay for vital local services, like trash collection providing work for working class people. Tony Blair's ID card charge will go to pay for worthless red tape bureaucracy, run by well educated civil servants
...Mine treated rich and poor alike, Blair's ID card will make EXTRA charge each time you change address, piling the greatest burden upon those with unstable lodgings, eg the near-homeless
...Thatcher gave exclusion to those living in poverty for their religion like Nuns and monks and to the selfless, such as student nurses, Blair gives no such exemption.
...Thatcher allowed anonymity on the PollTax register forthose in danger,eg battered wives, Blair gives none.

BLAIR'S ID CARD IS A POLLTAX WITHOUT ANY BENEFITS OR REDEEMING FACTORS



blair is just as bad, all the government parties are alike, i will not even speak with you about matters, your the damn guy who everybody is pissed at, you have some explaining to do tot he people, make a thread saying "i appologise tot he people for my mistake",


people suffer because of laws and taxes like this you know everyone aint so rich in east london you hurt peoples pockets and blair is doing the same but even worse,


peace

Errmm, I thought the original poll tax was back in the 14th century or so, and caused similar riots until it was abandoned a few years after it was introduced. Oh look, you say that much anyway. So why claim you invented it?

Anyway, interesting to note people here from my old university as well.

Anway, Id cards rent a poll tax, they are a means of identifying the inhabitants of the country so that either they can collect the benefits to which they are entitled, or else be picked out of the herd for being different.

I DO NOT APOLOGISE for the wonderful system that I came up with. It had huge benefits for the people and was a fine and just system. It was the best thing since the Greeks invented democracy.

This has to be the most original trolling statement I have ever seen on the internet :D
The poll tax was an utter disaster. Face up to it. If you are going through life, telling everyone at every dinner party that you were the guy that came up with the poll tax and you don't apologise for it then I fear you are going to run out of invites!

The only successful thing the poll tax achieved was to get the conservatives out of power!

c20

The only successful thing the poll tax achieved was to get the conservatives out of power!

c20

Maybe we should congratulate quelquechosedautre then? Actually no, i dont think so, his major cock up cannot be compensated for, even if he did apologise, it would not be enough!! :D

And i have to ask you Mr 'quelquechosedautre', or should i call you Mr ego, that i find it extremly sad when someone creates an entire thread about themselves, the immense Failure that they are...actually is that why you created this thread, to get attention???

Shifty Russian was right,
Do you want a pat on the back?

Explain.

I DO NOT APOLOGISE for the wonderful system that I came up with. It had huge benefits for the people and was a fine and just system. It was the best thing since the Greeks invented democracy.



im sorry sir, but that is complete trash, tell me how the people benefit from this system you made up?, lay down the pros and cons from a non biast standpoint, then ask yourself was it the best thing since democracy,

From the columns of Hansard, Proceedings of the House of Commons, 5 July 1989:

Mr. Rifkind : I have had a number of contacts with Mr. Mason and with the Adam Smith Institute. I have always found them stimulating and I hope that they will continue.

Mr. Galloway : In any of those contacts was the Secretary of State spared Mr. Douglas Mason's bizarre and unbelievable idea that Hong Kong should be towed, lock, stock and barrel and relocated off the west coast of Scotland, on one of the western isles? As I listened to the radio interview, I thought that the man must be barking mad, until I realised that it was the same Douglas Mason who was the architect of the poll tax. Will the Secretary of State see whether there is a rocky outcrop somewhere on the edge of our territorial waters where Mr. Douglas Mason, the Adam Smith Institute and the trash Thatcherite ideas, which have no support in Scotland, might be relocated?

Mr. Rifkind : I said that I always found Mr. Mason's views stimulating. I did not say that I always agreed with them.

And to think it wasn't really Douglas to blame at all -- but quelqu'un d'autre !

What, you mean like the current situation whereby local authorities get most of their money from central gvt, and so still get bloated?

Naw, your talking the usual right wing mince.

Best thing since greeks invented democracy? Hahhahahahahhahahaha!

[Note- you migth have guessed, I'm coming at this from completely opposite assumptions and desired means to an end that may be similar in outline to mr quelquechoses']

Robert L Thompsett has never had an original bone in his body

He phones customers from local newspapers to make his own paper work. He copies artwork from ottawa citizen and offers the customer a discount rate in his own paper with a stolen add that someone else went through all the trouble. If he was involved he was passing information from the elite manipulating government like spies do. Meet Robert L THompsett he is a bumbling fool who dresses like a bum.

http://groups.msn.com/psycologicalwarfare/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=2215&all_topics=0


...which might come as a surprise, but I still believe it was the best thing for local democracy since the ancient Greeks.

The history of it's invention is as such.

It was Spetember 1980 and I have just arrived at St Andrews University in Scotland and during my 'Freshers' Week' or Bejants as they callthem there, I met Sarah, this fabulous girl who was then head of the Tory Club. I joined and wanted to impress her. She arranged that each new member would give a researched chat on some policy issue to the rest of us. I chose taxation, not sure why, but I did. A friend suggested how, maybe as a basis for my chat, I might work out how taxation SHOULD BE. I sat, late at night in St Salvator's Hall library, on my own, tryiong to figure out something new. I quickly had the idea of doing away with income tax by moving it onto VAT (Sales Tax), but that would only work for Central Government, but not for local. I browsed some books and found one, in particular, which contained a graph showing the effects of Income, Sales and Poll tax on a nation's income. I had no idea what a Poll tax was and found in the notes that it was an obscure tax bought in for the whole of England, 600 years earlier. I found that it had proven difficult, because everyone had been unhappy at the level that the King had set...but I suddenly thought, hmmm, if applied locally, it would be fixed locally, and if people thought it too high or the services too poor then they would vote out those who had mis-set it.
...So I did my speech and it was a disaster. One guy called Alan, claimed it was nothing short of a tax on sex. I was furious. A week or two later, however, there was a visiting chap called Eamon Butler. He was coming up as he had been there in the 1960's and was misty eyed for the place and was keen to give a speech at a chargeable luncheon that Sarah arranged for him at the Cross Keys pub in centre of town. He had done well and was now a leading light in an organization that a group of ex-St.Andrews Tory Club people had set up called the Adam Smith Institute. After the lunch, I managed to get a few minutes alone with him and, whilst I had my glass of wine in my hand, I asked his view on my idea and whether he too thought it was stupid. He was sceptical and asked some tough questions, all of which I was able to answer and he was impressed. He then had to circulate, but returned shortly before leaving to ask me to go over it again.

...The months flew by and later that year, Eamon Butler came again to St Andrews, and anotrher luncheon ensued. This time Eamon made a bee line for me. He said that that idea about the Poll Tax was really going places. He said he had had two unemployed journalists who had come to work for the Adam Smith Institute shortly after arriving back after the last meeting and he had put them onto it. He had asked them to do a policy document on it they hoped to submit to the Department of the Environment and said that this was really exciting and told me insistently to "watch this space".

In 1983, I once watched a lunchtime magazine programme on ITV and they had a politician who was grilled on the possibility of having a Poll Tax to replace 'rates', the housing tax. I thought it was a remarkable coincidence and later found out that it was their report which was under consideration and ultimately formed the basis of the "Community Charge".

I have always believed in my system, although it has been catastrophic. It has led to chronic descrimmination, patchy employment and desparate poverty. I remember vividly actually working as a securityt guard at Number One Whitehall at the corner of Trafalgar Square at the time of the big riot. It was curious and became even more bizarre when one of the other guards told me that the man who had invented the system was stinkingly rich and had retired to the Bahamas to live a life on the beach. He claimed he had seen it on the TV. I said this was tosh, and that he was actually sitting behind a security desk in a crummy office block in WHitehall, talking to a stupid colleague. In the end, I had to leave the country and now live in poverty in Canada.

...So that's the history of how the Local Authority Poll Tax came into being. The one that effectively brought down Thatcher and created riots across the country. ...And did I ever get recognition...Hell no, but worse, I never did win Sarah's heart, despite having changed the course of British history.

It's funny, but most 19 years olds believe they can change the world with new ideas, but when it happens...wow...is it a BIG SHOCK!

even a light investigation of finances would expose Robert L Thompsett as a fraud. He has no ability to hide the fact he has no ability as a news editor and apparently a very poor disinformation specialist as well. CSIS got a blank check after 911 and agents like Robert Probably got a raise. More money to attempt communism on the people. AS the price of gas rises and the elite banks suck out all funds more and more people will find out why on my site. I have written a lot about Mr. Thompsett and his dealings and many more agents like him. He was sent in to protect a man named Craig Murry another disinformation agent cap871@hotmail.com I met this peice of crap in writing and publishing yahoo groups. He has a private group he calls passionate pen. He also sells stockers trained by RObert and even though they think they covered it up I can still dig up evidense to this day to support my case.

Including more of the same game played in the U.S
http://groups.msn.com/psycologicalwarfare/yourwebpage21.msnw

www.stopcovertwar.com

the stockers explained in the above link are people hired by csis to keep people like me in check. The odd thing is when I attack RObert L Thompsett they back off and I get well rested. When I leave the net they are all over me I find this interesting RObert that they want this argument. How about you QuelQUechosedautre do you want me to continue exposing you as the enemy?

I was just thinking that without the stockers idiots like Robert L THompsett can get drummed out pretty fast. That is why Communism failed in russia and will fail miserably here. ANd I will make sure the freemasons are not the only one who get to be the escape goat. There is plenty of others who I have contacted since my encounters with Robert L Thompsett that now see the big picture. So RObert you better dust off that fancy black suit for the modern neurenberg trials because they are coming soon.....

picture of RObert pretending to be 007 licensed to torture Canadian citizens

http://groups.msn.com/psycologicalwarfare/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=2215&all_topics=0

When a British iluminati spy comes to town they set up a newspaper to ridicule their enemies ....

http://www.conseildepresse.qc.ca/decisions/D1998-11-048%20(2)%20(3).htm