They said,

"Please observe the seatbelt sign,
For the moment we are all still alive"

They say,

"There’s nothing more that we can do,"

And now the pilot is getting pissed at the crew

All that it takes is like nothing for some
I might have made my mistakes
But I will learn to regret them
The money’s all gone and the pain it is leaving
She smiles and says, "You’re only dreaming."

(Floater, Zero Hour)So you're on the plane, and the terrorists have seized control. And you know that WTC Part II is about to happen. Glancing out the window, you see the four jets sparkling in the distance as the military closes. This is round two; they will not hesitate. You can start counting the seconds before the missile tears the plane to shreds; they will trade your life and 200 more in order to stop the killing of thousands.

You're about to die.

How do you feel?

Are you annoyed? Scared? Do you take any comfort in knowing that the people who killed the pilots will not be sacrificing you by slamming into a baseball stadium?

How does it feel?

Is dying something you'll gladly do knowing that the dying stops with your death and the death of your fellow passengers? Is dying something you'll gladly do if it spares the forty thousand catching an afternoon of baseball?

You can watch, from our seats at Safeco Field, the planes as they approach Boeing Field. It's a matter of timing, and if you seize the plane in the right place, you could kill nearly a hundred thousand if both the Seahawks and Mariners are in town at the same time.

But the terrorists are early and the nation has time to react. I cannot expect the planes out of McChord to wait to see if we're going to save the plane.

There is a dot, a pencil-point, drawing a line across the sky. Three seconds and the missile slams home, littering what is left of the plane and our bodies into Puget Sound below.

I'd be annoyed, at least. But dying is something I'd gladly do to spare that many people.

Anyone? Anyone?

thanx much,
Tiassa :cool:

just going to say: DAMN

bah!
if death is inevitable,might as well make oneself useful.

;)

Well, a few things come to mind.

I could open the hatch door and Jump. I mean, hey, if my lifes gonna end, why not make the ending more peaceful. If i'm not mistaken, they do have some sort of parachutes on board in case of such a situation.


But, if they don't have parachutes, and I'm too scared to jump, I'd kill the terrorists, and try to save everyone from death...ie communicate with the military aircrafts, and take control of the plane.

It's kindof a dillema since I think life should be enjoyed as much as possible, and since I also believe that people should try hold onto every last drop of life.


.........So, I'd have to actually be experiencing the situation before I could make my final decision. Here's a question: How many people actually do what they say they would under certain circumstances? For example: If a terrorist had a knifes' blade against your neck, or 3 of them were guarding the cockpit with guns, would actually go for it?? Not many, IMO.

Several options come to mind:

1)

Think "Fuggin bloody typical..." and raid the kitchens for booze, and get very drunk very fast.

2)

Think "Fuggin bloody typical..." and ask the nearest decent looking girl for some quick nasty sex.

3)

Think "Fuggin bloody typical..." and go Rambo on their terrorist arses. Nothing to lose, so might as well.

Of course I'd be scared ... most people would. :)
I'd also be disappointed about all the things I wanted to do but which I now would not be able to do. Also a little remorseful about the people I was mean to or not nice enough to .
Last but not the least, I would also hope to somehow survive the crash. Veyr unlikely ... but we do hope for impossible things anyway ;)
Thats re: the dying part ...

And yeah, I suppose if I were going to die anyway, I'd rather not take thousands with me. So the missile scores over crashing into the second WTC tower.

- Sivakami.

I will phone my sister and congradulate her that she can have my big ass 23 inch trinitron monitor after I die.

The dying will never end, not with any sacrifice of your life or anybody elses, only with the decision not to kill.

Unfortunately, commercial craft rarely carry 'chutes. The reason is two fold.

One is that commercial craft fly to fast to allow you safe exit out the door. There is an "air wall" or slipstream that will throw you back into the door without some kind of wind deflector.

The second deals with the altitude that commercial craft fly at. It requires the cabin to be pressurized. Any sudden loss in pressure makes the craft unstable not to mention the lives that are involved. Any 'chutist will lose consisousness on the way down without a scuba. (Self Contained Breathing Apparatus)

Now it is hard to say what you will actually do till the event is staring you in the face. I have seen boasters crawl and fly weights become a lion. It is at this time you find what you are made of...

you find what you are made of...


__________________
"We are made of star stuff" Carl Sagan


but wet, we already have the answer:D

Yes, we have an answer...

for that group of people. Take another group and the answer probably would not be the same. Most likely there was a screw up with the highjackers where the passengers found out what was going to happen. Had they not known chances are good that they would have waited in hopes of a better outcome.

I do not mean to take anything from those who died trying their best (and successfully) to prevent further tragedy. Nor do I belittle their accomplishment in the face of knowing their fate beforehand.

I think that that plane was hit down by the us military

In a plane load of say 200 people, faced with this scenario and the decision of whether to take on, say 4 hijackers, I'd imagine there would be enough people get up and fight back to outnumber them.

I mean, terrifying as it would be if there are these bods armed with no more than knives (we are told) then it wouldn't take more than say, 4 passengers at most to overpower each hijacker.

Or there'd be one (always a short guy) who'd fly in without thinking twice, but seeing that might rally a few more, eh?

So, 16 from 200? Doesn't sound entirely implausible.

But I suppose they just head straight for the cockpit, and it's only the first classers and other rich types who see anything? Then the numbers don't look nearly so good.

Is there any info at all to say whether those in the 2 planes that hit the wtc knew their fate, and if so how long before?

There must've been phone calls. But presumably the cockpit is locked from the inside so there's not a fat lot you can do once they're in? Can't imagine what they would have said over the intercom.

this question is really like the question "an astoriod is going to hit your country in an hr, there is no chance of escaping
what do you do?"

well the answer to that one is Try LSD and watch the show

so ANYONE WANTA GET HIGH?

Well that's an easy question :D

First thing: stiffened by panick.

Hope: accepting nearly certain death and go in for the kill.

Gee...this is tough. Can I have a weapon with me? Pleasssse? :D

In real life, I'd whimper a lot....then cringe...then whimper some more. And if the plane hasn't blown up yet, I'd whimper and cringe some more.

In the wonderful world of my mind, however, my fellow airplane buddies and I will throw hot coffee and explosive airplane food onto the pants of the hijackers, because everyone knows how dangerour airplane food is. In the moment of confusion, we'll grab their guns, and mow them down. We will triumph, but in our victorious short-sightedness, one half-dead hijacker which we carelessly overlooked will grab a gun and shoot us; and as spasms of pain rocket through our bodies, our corpses will fall into the narrow aisles. *eyes shine with daydream*

lol :D

A - Go to the nearest toilet

B - KICK SOME ASS

C - DIE!!!!

Originally posted by wet1
One is that commercial craft fly to fast to allow you safe exit out the door. There is an "air wall" or slipstream that will throw you back into the door without some kind of wind deflector.
So, do they also not have lifebelts thingies?


Originally posted by BlueSoul
In real life, I'd whimper a lot....then cringe...then whimper some more. And if the plane hasn't blown up yet, I'd whimper and cringe some more.
Yep, not a drop of courage in me. :p

Shit my pants & cower, in the fetal position, in a corner & cry, like a little baby!

I may be dumb & I may be slow & I may even be physically strong. But courage eludes me, when I've got a semi-auto stuck in my face.:D

when I've got a semi-auto stuck in my face.

More like a semi automatic kitchen knife, no?

Originally posted by A4Ever


More like a semi automatic kitchen knife, no?

Are you trying to goad me into some sort of fight?
Are you trying to insult me?
Have you ever been in a situation, where you are at the business end of a gun? What do you know of true courage?:cool:

Or is your courage built from scenes of an action adventure flick?

I would take anything that had a sharp edge or some weight & have a murder-death-kill party:cool: :D :)

I would literally slaughter any/all terrorist that I met as I made my way to the cockpit.

I would enlist the aid of any man, who actually had a pair of balls between his legs, to watch my back as I made my way to the cockpit.

I would not have let the plane crash into the ground & I would have landed it safely if the flight crew was unable.

Today however, I would probably be arrested before I got onto the plane because a silly assed stewardess didn't like the way I looked or by my cigarette smoking.

Has anyone of you ever slaughtered a 500 lb. hog for food during the winter months? I was raised to do it. Doing something like this to a group of little suicidal/homocidal, fanatic ragheads just seems to be good sense, otherwise you and your fellow passengers are going to become a statistic.

Porfiry should open up a special forum on defense for me to moderate.

Everything is a weapon. Plastic spoons, tightly rolled paper, glass bottles, pencils, ink pens, clothing articles ..........

<font color="red">Stop being a bunch of pussy whipped victims!</font color> <font color="green">When you are absolutely sure that someone is going to kill you in the next couple of minutes, then what is the point of feeling threatened by them?</font color> <font size ="3">NONE ! ! !! </font size>

Take the best opportunity & murder them as quickly and as dirty as you can! What's the worst that can happen? O' No Aussie, they might get mad & kill me! Duh dipshit ! ! ! You are going to die anyway ! ! !

Action always speaks louder than words. Stop being helpless victims! It makes me sick to read that some of you would get on a phone to say goodbye to a loved one. GOD DAMN!

Are you trying to goad me into some sort of fight?

In stead of taking everything personal so quickly, think of the simple explanaiton for what I mean:

there was no 'semi automatic GUN' on the plane, only cutters. (or 'kitchen knifes' in my style)

PEACE

:rolleyes:

So, do they also not have lifebelts thingies?

I think by that you mean PFD's. (Personnal Floation Devices) Such are never meant for exiting an aircraft while in the air. Only after it has hit the water. It is more for peace of mind than a useful survival tool. Not many aircraft survive a water landing intact with passengers totally conscious of their actions and what their responces should be to get out. Because you do not wear them in flight, it takes time to locate them, figure out how to don them, and exit a craft. It is not likely you would have that kind of time during a water crash.

I hope I could take a few shitbags with me. If their is something I do aquate well at, it's tactics. The key to winning this engagement is be resourceful with what is available on the aircraft. Your going to have to adapt, and get innovative. The use of box-cutters was a stroke of seeming laughable and yet totally ingenious resourcefulness, and quite honestly an example in itself of how creative you have to get in order to pull off the seemingly impossible. By the time your done with this you might realize that your dealing with them at their own level of tactics. Maybe so, but if you can think like them you can anticipate how to deal with them, can't you? Their is a fine boarder between genius and insanity. Welcome to the frontier.

Seat Cussions
Your dealing with six to eight armed individuals armed with box-cutters. Though flimsy, a box-cutter can be most lethal. It's razor sharp, and can cut throats and vains very easily. The proper counter to this weapon is not brute force per force, but proper defense. Pick up your seat cussion (yes, the one that can be used as a flotation device). It has in most cases two straps on the back, and you can easily attach it to your forearm much like a midevil shield. You now have a very effective way to block and perhaps even break or snag away from the terrotist his fearsome boxcutter.

Plastic Bags
Anyone ever wonder just how big the trash bags are on a commercial flight? I would think they are big enough to put over someone's head. If you can get the element of surprise on your side, it would only take one quick move to get the bag over his head and in his moment of surprise, you can even hope he will drop his boxcutter. If your close enough to a lavatory or a kitchen, it would be possible to drag him someplace his buddies might not immidietly notice and finish the job against a sink or maybe find something to tie his neck off with. Naturally, while he is surprised by the bag you want someone else to start beating the shit out of him. If your lucky, you can ambush him and break his neck in a matter of seconds. If you have time, collect multiple plastic bags and place them one inside the other, making the bag much stronger and more difficult for him to tear.

The Toiletry Bag of Tricks Flame Thrower
If you can get to your toiletries, you have several leathalities available in one little black bag of tricks. If you have hair spray delivered by an aerosol can + a zippo (remember, smoking is not allowed, but taking cigarettes / lighters with you is okay), then you now have a convenient flame thrower. I would like to see them try to use boxcutters against that!

The Toiletry Bag of Tricks Toothpaste Mace
Your laughing, arne't you? Wait until all the flouride gets in his eyes. Get a plastic bag and fill it with toothpaste. The ideal bag would be the air sickness bags at your seat, since they are small and very sturdy. Next, squeeze into the bottom of the bag a fair amount of toothpaste. You will need a liquid medium to mix this with, prefferably water though wine and soda will do the job also. In fact, wine might make it worse when you add alcohol to all that flouride. When you mix it up, you want the toothpaste to have the consistancey of hairgel. If it's too runny, the whole thing will be useless. After you mix it off, tie off OR hold closed tightly the open end of the bag. Be sure not to let too much air stay in their. Lastly, poke a tiny hole into the bottom of the bag. You have a convenient squeeze-bag of say OUCH stuff that will probably blind the guy.

Lavatory Soap Mace
Bathroom soap... sounds great but how do you apply it to the offenders eyes? This one is arguably the easiest one to pull off. All you have to do is rip the soap bag out of the wall dispenser. What you have here is a real convenient delivery system. When your ready to strike, squeeze the bottom of the bag to spray the suspects face.

The Last Desparation: Disable the Aicraft
The control wires are in the roof of most Boeing aircraft, running to the wings from their. Anyone in 1st class and half of 2nd class can disable the hydrolics of the plane. Sure, your still going to crash. Sure, you might hit some other metopolitan area and maybe kill a few hundred people... but your not going to hit a several thousand person target... nor are the terrorists going to complete their objectives.

Call home

I would take anything that had a sharp edge or some weight & have a murder-death-kill party:cool: :D :)

I would literally slaughter any/all terrorist that I met as I made my way to the cockpit.I'm with you 100%. Even if I knew the missles were on their way, I'd still want to kill those bastards with my bare hands. It's my opinion that this scenario will never happen again in the US. The passengers will not allow it. Anybody makes a move towards the cockpit, he's going to have 17 passengers on his ass.