If we all came out of Africa, it would make sense that we brought that African culture with us. Does Eastern Philosophy contain any of those African roots?

If we all came out of Africa, it would make sense that we brought that African culture with us.

And you think that culture wouldn't change in all those millions of years????

Don't you think at all before you post your idiotic questions????

Baron Max

We didn't leave Africa millions of years ago. We apparently left Africa only about 50,000 years ago.http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:T4sm89CLmYQJ:cbs3.com/health/health_story_274120405.html+roots+in+africa&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us

Do you ever read your links?



"As we contemplate global warming today, Wells says climate change played a major role in our history 50,000 years ago. "What we study as geneticist is biological ancestry, and we can get the who and the where and the when, but to get to the how and why of these migrations, we have to start to look at other pieces of evidence and climate is a really important part of it."

Where does it say that humans were here only 50,000 years ago?

Most Eastern philosophy is less preoccupied with religious and secular distinctions. That is the only common thread you might find about them.

One more thing, in Eastern philosophy the individual is not separate or detached from the cohesive whole of the universe.

Here's another site for you - Cosmictraveler.http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:l9imcz9Vve4J:news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm%3Fid%3D517722005+dna+%22left+africa%22 +tribe&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

No because so-called Eastern Philosophy started in India.

But, the Africans arived in India, and then went to China. See my prior site.

But Indian culture is also very old. Their royal families spent alot of time sitting around thinking, I guess. If there is any connection, it must have been lost to history.

But, religious beliefs can last for thousands of years. They are not necessarily lost.

But, religious beliefs can last for thousands of years. They are not necessarily lost.

But just like they can last for thousands of years, they can just as easily be lost. It shouldn't come as a surprise if you find no connection.

If we all came out of Africa, it would make sense that we brought that African culture with us. Does Eastern Philosophy contain any of those African roots?

Why,

I am told that martial arts can be traced back to Africa.

Really? Says who? What did they say?

Really? Says who? What did they say?

LOL.

Why,

I suspect you could easily look this up yourself but I remember 'Nuba Wrestling' being mentioned.

Here's a link:

http://forwardmotion.home.att.net/nuba.html

(PS: These claims do not have much evidence supporting them)

And you think that culture wouldn't change in all those millions of years????

Don't you think at all before you post your idiotic questions????

Baron Max

Lawlz

Why? this theory is incongruent and confusing. It doesn't explain why genetically caucasians are closer to africans. Did you know that? because they separated last from the middle east, specifically europeans.

There were also different "tribes" of africans that migrated out to different areas and that is partly why we all retain our individual looks from our different races even though we evolved into our individual ethnic groups. Did you know that?

That is also why asians have almond shaped eyes and caucasians round. If you look at africans, the different tribes have different looks.

What theory are you talking about? All I suggested was that Eastern philosophy may have African roots. What's wrong with that theory?

We all know that the roots of African culture grew big in Egypt, and they also flowered there. There are plenty of similarities between Egyptian and Eastern believes, like that of reencarnation to name only 1.
But I don´t really know if there is a common source, I suppose so.

But Indian culture is also very old. Their royal families spent alot of time sitting around thinking, I guess.

Hmm, interesting. There's a helluva lot of poverty and starvation in Eastern cultures ...s'ppose there's a link between poverty, starvation, and Eastern philosophy? Like, say, "Oh, hell, we're all starving to death anyway, so let's all just sit around and meditate." :D

Baron Max

There were alot of things you couldn't change. I suppose that would be an incentive to learn to accept the life you are dealt.

There were alot of things you couldn't change. I suppose that would be an incentive to learn to accept the life you are dealt.

I don't know, the European "race" seemed to change a helluva lot, and didn't seem so eager to accept things as they were. Is that another "racial" trait between the groups?

Baron Max

What theory are you talking about? All I suggested was that Eastern philosophy may have African roots. What's wrong with that theory?

Ever heard of christianity? Ever heard of Horus? You can trace christianity to pagan god myths back to egypt and therefore predominantly african roots. As a matter of fact, there is more blatant links between that and judeochristianity. I just wasn't sure if you were aware of it, LOL.

As for African philosophy having an effect on Eastern philiosophy; I can only say that, due to the fact that modern Humans (H. S. sapiens) left Africa about 50,000 years ago at the latest, I'm extremely dubious that any of the very ancient religions of those days would leave a single trace of their presence on the present-day faiths. On the other hand, the old legends and hero-tales of Egypt definitely had an effect on the cycle of legends and hero-tales that swirl around the historical figure of Jesus Christ. According to Tom Harpur's book 'The Pagan Christ' there are easily-traceable lines of mythic descent from the figure of Orisis to Christ, in the sense that the former's legends were borrowed and reused by the followers of Christ (possibly to give their boy a bit of cachet). Anyway, according to Tom Harpur there's a lot of ancient African legends in the Bible, if you assume he's right about those adptions and adaptations.

What theory are you talking about? All I suggested was that Eastern philosophy may have African roots. What's wrong with that theory?

It is more like the other way around. The Africans have Indian language (Sanskrit and Tamil) roots. Besides, Puranas talks about various planets...so it is more like a mixed culture that spans planets. Krishna's color was blue!

Here are some items...


"Finally the language Quecha spoken by most of the Indian (Radio Moscow even today have a 24 hour broadcast in Quecha language to cater to South American Indians) was discovered along with the language the manuscripts legends and tales. Initial reports and analysis for first 40 years beginning 1875-1925 was available and all unequivocally declared that the culture is none other than Indian culture. The same stories of Mahabharata, Ramayana, all Puranic stories, all festivals, all cultural practices and all festivals resembled India. It looked like India was transplanted on South America. From 1925 the latest techniques of dating began available. Also by the beginning of the 20th century with the single handed efforts of Sir John Lockyer Archeo Astronomy took birth providing the researches a very sophisticated tool to date artifacts and archaeological sites. Once these tools come handy to researchers they started dating South American Civilization the dates slowly started going back again to thousands of years some times the construction of Sun temples going back until 47,000 B.C"

More interesting to African connection: http://www.humhindusthani.com/mbdating1.htm

And you think that culture wouldn't change in all those millions of years?
Merely because cultures have changed in all those years does not mean that some influences and ideas from the original humans have not carried over. For example, the basic concepts within human religions- divinity, animism, afterlives- came from African cultures long before humans ventured out of the continent, but these ideas remain significant, and can be indeed key, parts of almost all human cultures, from Africa to Asia, to the Americas, to the Near East, and Europe. Other crucial things, such as trade, government, ethics, carried over from the first human cultures in Africa into almost all other civilisations.

So, you cannot totally dismiss our oldest cultures from having an influence on Eastern and Western philosophies.

Does Eastern Philosophy contain any of those African roots?

IMHO there is quite a heavy influence of African practices on many things that are claimed to have an independent origin from India, specifically the South-Eastern region of India. One of the most noticeable thing is Woodo, the black magic, which has many common practice in black magic practices found in South-Eastern states of India (Kerala and some parts of Tamil Nadu). It is originally believed to have come from Sri Lanka who are supposed to have collected that from Africa. ‘Odi’ which is a common practice of black magic to scare away animals from crop is practiced in same name both in Kerala and Africa (someone need to confirm the African name). Another interesting fact is that this was popularly practiced by Muslims in both these places. I think the practice of belief in ‘Snake God’ is also common in Africa and Kerala (Sri Lanka as well). Most probably raw Eastern practices when they were getting evolved were exercised under the Snake God practices and the same later evolved in to a cult of belief in serpent power (Kundalini). Head gear worn by African and Indian (Muslims) have a hidden agenda of protecting few chakra’s above Sahasradalapadma. I have found similar similarities in meditational postures like “tilting the head to a particular direction” in Tamil Nadu (Vaasi meditational practice) and few Muslim prayer methods from Africa. Blah blah blah..

I can keep on taking about many more such common practices found in these continents but the fact remains that we are humans in different colors (colour :)) and like beneath our skins we look alike there will surely be many practices in meditation, beliefs, and philosophy that are common across continents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FraMauroDetailedMapInverted.jpg

Is there a specific reason for such an audit/research and what is the objective of this thread?

The Genographic Project (by National Geographic) - A landmark study of the human journey !

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html

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What theory are you talking about? All I suggested was that Eastern philosophy may have African roots. What's wrong with that theory?

If the human ancestors migrated from Africa and at that time point had a culture, and this culture was never exterminated on the way to asia, then yes indeed, African culture gave rise to eastern culture.

Now,

Is eastern philosopphy related to African philosophy if this was true.

No, not necessarily.

s'ppose there's a link between poverty, starvation, and Eastern philosophy? Like, say, "Oh, hell, we're all starving to death anyway, so let's all just sit around and meditate." :D

Yes I believe there is a link. Specifically Hindus and Jainas are very confortable with the fact that whatever happens to them is related to past karma, and they cannot do anything about it.
This is a particular aspect on wich I don´t agree about Eastern culture, for example, if they see a man starving to death, they don´t give it a second tought to leave that dude to his starvation. This is because they believe that this man was starving because of his "karma debt", and if you relief the man with some food, he will not be able to pay his "debt". So as you interfered, you are causing your own karma, and at the same time, you are not letting the starving man to pay for his own karma, that he is going to have to pay for anyway afterwards; in this or another life.
So, poverty and injustice are due to "past karma", and if you interfere with that, you are just delaying the payment, you will have to suffer for it later anyway. So what is the point of struggling for money, when this is karma that you have to pay for anyway?
If you are poor, you are paying for past karma, so if you struggle and get some money, you are interfering with your debts, and you will have to suffer for it later.
This is applying common logic to the Buddhas´ teachings about past lives, karma and reencarnation; but you cannot apply common logic to this teachings. It is a shame that so beautifull teachings have been degraded to the point where you cannot help a fellow human being on his journey because he is "paying for past karma".

If we all came out of Africa, it would make sense that we brought that African culture with us. Does Eastern Philosophy contain any of those African roots?
if we all come from africa, then there are serious problems about the timeline given the archaeological evidence uncovered in the americas

Originally Posted by Why?
If we all came out of Africa, ....

More like we did not....unless we started when there was one land mass called Pangea! 225 million years ago....yikes...

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