I keep on reading about Indian Mythology ..why is that a stupid red sea parting is termed as Biblical fact and Indian Bridge joining Indian subcontinent with Sri Lanka which can be seen from the satellite considered as Indian Myth.

Why is a religion like Hinduism ...considered a baseless and is not promoted which is I believe the only "religion" which has one of the medical books as their holy books (Ayurved). There was just one Jesus who walked on water but he is promoted and we have tons of believable miracles which are side stepped by the western community.

I do not mean to disrespect any religion but I am kind of pissed off at basic promotion of few stories which is wrapped up into a religion (Bible, Koran ...etc) while Hinduism teaches medicine, philosophy, science remains a "mythological based religion"

Hinduism does not believe in forcefully converting people or actively making them believe or condemning them to fiery hell ..I think that is the only flaw I see why the marketing department feel beaten up by bible thumping and angry Koran screamers...

I think Hinduism just needs a new marketing wave to counter the forces of baseless religions like xianity and islam...

Zeal is ellusive from Hinduism,i agree.

But then Zealots in Hindu Society can only lead in destruction of Society,Harsh and Staunch Followers only lead to destruction of society,whereas Hinduism only preaches a way of life,a way of society in peace.Look,what happened to Islam...All muslims are not alike,they are all not jehadis or terrorists! but they are looked upon as one,because ,many of them support this jehad!... Hindus dont.Hindu essence lies in peace,those who dont follow it are simply not true hindus...

--Zion--

Probably no marketing is required. Logical thought automatically leads to the most reasonable of religions!! :)

I don't believe Hinduism is "based on mythology". It contains mythology, like many religions, but also many essential truths hidden within the stories. I don't think it would be good for any religion to compete in the marketing war that certain forms of Christianity and Islam promote. The meak will inherit the Earth, remember? What do you care how many people follow your religion? ...it's for you, not them.

E--X--A--C--T--L--Y.

errrrrrm, guru, Hinduism has a caste system doesn't it?

I have read that Indu was a term used to refer ‘people who lived by the river Indu’ (I read Indu not Sindhu) and the term was later changed to Hindu and Hindusthan based on Hindi dialect(s).

Got the following paragraph from http://www.indiana.edu/~isp/cd_rom/mod_09/mod_09_x.htm

The Indus Valley Civilization

Be that as it may, the Indus Valley civilization, sometimes called the Harappan Civilization (after the name of one of its principal cities), flourished from the third through the first half of the second millenium B.C.E. in the region of the Indus valley and in the areas known as the Punjab and Gujarat. It should perhaps be noted here that that the name "Indus" is the origin of the word "Hindu." The original Indian name of the river is Sindhu. The ancient Iranians had difficulty in pronouncing an initial sibilant "s" and changed it to an aspirate sound "h", hence, "H-indu" instead of "S-indhu." The Greeks referred to the river as the "Indos," and the later Arabs referred to it as "al-Hind." Eventually the name came to be applied to the people of the subcontinent, namely, the "Hindi," the "Hindus" and the "Indians." In ancient times Indians themselves referred to their country as Bharata-varsha (the "land of the sons of Bharata," a legendary ruler), Jambudvipa (the "continent of Jambu" or of the rose-apple tree), Aryavartta (the "abode of the noble or excellent ones") and Brahmavartta (the "abode of the brahmanical people").

Quite. And it has a CASTE system hasn't it?!

Guru it depends on the person as to whether or not it is seen as baseless, obviously people are inclined to believe their own religion over someone elses regardless of what it may say, perhaps because hinduism isnt promoted so intensly that it hasnt spead so well and is now considered not to be true unlike larger religions. Most religions are mythical in some way however i do not know much about hinduism, i would guess it has its mythical parts same as christianity and islam, and it may not be considered history unless it has several sources to back it up, the red sea parting isnt historical fact until more sources of evidence come to light.

Quite. And it has a CASTE system hasn't it?!
Sure it has. But the deficiencies in the system are often blown out of proportion!!!

What started as a sensible division of labour has gone to the extremes in some pockets- nevertheless it is limited and not the general rule!

Guru's original point is valid IMHO, whatever one's opinion of the Hindu way of life: the myhology and stories underlying Hinduism should be better known in the West, just as the Christian Bible was force-fed into Indian cultural consciousness.

I myself know little about Hindu myths and legends, beyond the names of few deities. Perhaps it's time to remedy that.

People mistook caste system badly!...even in India.

Indian Society in Olden days was divided on the basis of the profession like todays world,but people followed it illogically.Aaccordingly,every role was defined in that world,but it was followed rather genetically,which was rubbish.Vedas dont establish that Caste should be inherited,rather deeds and Karma are the only things that defined the society.Therefore the division was based on reality and not on the basis of discrimination of an sort.
But sadly,people in India followed this rule by stupid hipocracy which was wastage of time and nothing else.

So the original idea, as defined in the Veddas, was reasonable enough - but the way society applied it was not?

Sounds much like Christianity's message of peace and love for all men, used as an excuse for holy wars and inquisitions...

BTW Zion, what does "Om Ganeshaya Namah" mean?

, what does "Om Ganeshaya Namah" mean?


A small prayer.


It is a Mantra for beginning Meditation, or Prayer, or starting new enterprises, or undertaking any new and good Works

Further reading (http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Publications/om_sri_ganeshaya_namah.htm)

Ganesh is lord of all beginnings,he is son of Parvati and Shiva(one of the Hindu Trinity Gods,also known as GOD of destruction). Om preceedes every Lord therefore OM comes even before Lord of all Beginnings called Ganesha,Namah is a sanskrit word which is synonymous with Namaskar or paying respect with hands joined together in front of chest,do you get it?...

For more details, you might want to go through :

http://www.webonautics.com/mythology/mythology.html

Excellent link Zion! I will peruse those pages with interest.

Most religions are mythical in some way however i do not know much about hinduism, i would guess it has its mythical parts same as christianity and islam, and it may not be considered history unless it has several sources to back it up, the red sea parting isnt historical fact until more sources of evidence come to light.

Yes.. I agree that Epics get converted into history unless they are proven so by archelogists, geologists, and so on...the problem with the hinduism is that it is soooo (1,750,000 years) old that it cannot be appreciated as a history so easily.

This is for you to know something about the history...

http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Ancient.Civ_Technol/021008.1750000yr.bridge.html

:)

...the problem with the hinduism is that it is soooo (1,750,000 years) old that it cannot be appreciated as a history so easily.

WTF?! Our very species isn't that old! The highest primate on Earth so long ago (near the beginning of the Pleistocene Epoch) would probably have been homo erectus.

Even if those early humanoids had the intellectual capacity to develop language and religion as we know them, the idea that any hint or trace of cultural continuity could persist over such a span of time is absurd. Especially since, for well over 99% of the period specified, there was no known system of writing - only oral traditions.

Yes, I did read the link about the Ramayana bridge between India & Sri Lanka... it's either an out-&-out hoax, or a completely unfounded assumption to suggest that it was artificial.

Yes, I did read the link about the Ramayana bridge between India & Sri Lanka... it's either an out-&-out hoax, or a completely unfounded assumption to suggest that it was artificial.
You don't even acknowledge that it is possible?

Possible, perhaps - but not exactly likely. Unless you are willing to suggest that extraterrestrials built it, just like the Pyramids and the Nazca Lines(!)

Bah! The Nazca lines were irrigation ducts. It's obvious.

I have to admit that I am really curious about "Adam's Bridge" (I have not yet found out where that name comes from, but would certainly like to know that).
The story of Ramayana is a wonderful one (have you read it?) and it would be nice to know that the "bridge" can actaully be dated to be that old, but I am not holding out much hope.
I would very much like to see how exactly they dated it and if any independent (i.e. non-Hindu) experts were involved.

I can never understand, at forums such as these, why it is a poster will post an assertions and question , and then disappear off the face of the earth

'guru' begann going on how great Hinduism is in relation to all other religions, and how it created science, etfc etc.
i ask..."so, what about the caste system then?"

ZILTCH.....he done a runner

duendy,
zion replied to it...


People mistook caste system badly!...even in India.

Indian Society in Olden days was divided on the basis of the profession like todays world,but people followed it illogically.Aaccordingly,every role was defined in that world,but it was followed rather genetically,which was rubbish.Vedas dont establish that Caste should be inherited,rather deeds and Karma are the only things that defined the society.Therefore the division was based on reality and not on the basis of discrimination of an sort.
But sadly,people in India followed this rule by stupid hipocracy which was wastage of time and nothing else.

and what do you make of his explanation?

I'd be very interested in studying the supposed bridge, i might look into seeing if a study team is going to head out there, since i find the general theme that the evidence is in the picture rather misleading, im more inclined to believe its a natural causeway than a bridge but that would require some study, also logically speaking wouldnt a bridge be built at the shortest point? This doesnt seem to be the case here.

duendy,
zion replied to it...

zion, you suggest that caste decided by 'karmic' doctrine is where its at?

Even if those early humanoids had the intellectual capacity to develop language and religion as we know them, the idea that any hint or trace of cultural continuity could persist over such a span of time is absurd. Especially since, for well over 99% of the period specified, there was no known system of writing - only oral traditions.


intelligent thought..! Hope you might believe that world is coming to an end as many religions say..do you!? There are chances that the new "ADAM' of the new earth might not want to believe that NASA did exist when someone says him so...

hope u got what i mean...thanks.

Sure, the World will end... but not in any historically meaningful timeframe, I hope! We should be able to avoid the sudden collapse of civilisation if we're careful.

As for post-holocaust humans not believing in NASA... good point. But they might equally well accept The Silmarillion (or even the Chronicles of Narnia)as their bible, and base their whole culture around it - not willing to believe that it was fiction...

Here's a brain bender.....maybe the people of the future will some how find the rants and ravings of sciforums and think that these are their sacred writings. Re-write the conversations and translate them a few times just for good measure. Then make everyone believe them or they will die a horrible death and suffer forever because they don't believe the words we write!

Here's a brain bender.....maybe the people of the future will some how find the rants and ravings of sciforums and think that these are their sacred writings. Re-write the conversations and translate them a few times just for good measure. Then make everyone believe them or they will die a horrible death and suffer forever because they don't believe the words we write!

Awake...! That was a great and a wild thought. Yet too creative!!!
On the whole...,,yes, I liked it. :D

Here's a brain bender.....maybe the people of the future will some how find the rants and ravings of sciforums and think that these are their sacred writings. Re-write the conversations and translate them a few times just for good measure. Then make everyone believe them or they will die a horrible death and suffer forever because they don't believe the words we write!
Great idea! Sounds like one Philip Dick story about the future where the science fiction writers of the 20th century were seen as prophets (precognitive), and they believed that was also commonly known in their time. So, they have some kind of space emergency, and go back in time (in rediculous costumes they think are realistic) to a science fiction convention to abduct a writer, and make him type up some calculations for them. They have to get a typewriter from a museum, and create coffee beans specially for him.

Or there was a Dr. Who story in which the humans of the distant future revered 3 sacred texts, all that had survived of present-day literature: one of them was Hans Christian Andersen's The Water Babies, another was entitled Lifestyles of the Canadian Goose..!

Though a purely random sample of modern culture would be just likely to remain after some kind of apocalypse, certain people would obviously make an effort to preserve what they considered most important. More sober and serious was the future society of John Wyndham's The Chrysalids, in which only the Bible was left.

Possible, perhaps - but not exactly likely. Unless you are willing to suggest that extraterrestrials built it, just like the Pyramids and the Nazca Lines(!)
Why is it so unbelievable that things like the Pyramids and Nazca lines were built by humans? Why is it engraved in everyone's mind that ancient people we're stupid and primitive? I'm sure the ancients we're just as smart as we are, however not as knowledgable.

I was being sarcastic, my friend!! Of course the ancients were every bit as clever as we, and quite capable of completing structures like the Pyramids given enough time and manpower.

What I meant was, this supposed causeway between India @ Sri Lanka , if indeed nearly 2 million years old, couldn't have been artificial - unless we invoke aliens. I believe it was a natural formation, just as I believe humans constructed those ancient wonders without outside help.

why is that a stupid red sea parting is termed as Biblical fact
It's the sea of reeds, which is basically a big river. Do you know how large the red sea is? Much too large to part and cross on foot, if you're being chased by people on horseback.

Unless you really CAN call upon divine power to drive back the water and create a dry corridor across the seabed...

I keep on reading about Indian Mythology ..why is that a stupid red sea parting is termed as Biblical fact and Indian Bridge joining Indian subcontinent with Sri Lanka which can be seen from the satellite considered as Indian Myth.

Why is a religion like Hinduism ...considered a baseless and is not promoted which is I believe the only "religion" which has one of the medical books as their holy books (Ayurved). There was just one Jesus who walked on water but he is promoted and we have tons of believable miracles which are side stepped by the western community.

I do not mean to disrespect any religion but I am kind of pissed off at basic promotion of few stories which is wrapped up into a religion (Bible, Koran ...etc) while Hinduism teaches medicine, philosophy, science remains a "mythological based religion"

Hinduism does not believe in forcefully converting people or actively making them believe or condemning them to fiery hell ..I think that is the only flaw I see why the marketing department feel beaten up by bible thumping and angry Koran screamers...

I think Hinduism just needs a new marketing wave to counter the forces of baseless religions like xianity and islam...
:cool:

You are correct, I aggree with you and admire your courage to this in public.
I thinking is that there is no such thing as "Hindu Relegion" instead a "Hindu philosophy. I belive when a terrorist organigation becomes big and successful, becomes a religion.
Thanks,
Jaihind
Note: Please reply to Bhargavaji@yahoo.com

I belive when a terrorist organigation becomes big and successful, becomes a religion.

Then all religions began with criminality and subversion? I know how Christianity and Islam started out - your definition might work there - but what of Judaism? That was just a group of nomads departing ancient Babylon and taking one of many current creation mythologies with them. I didn't know Abraham was ever considered a terrorist, even if perhaps Jesus was. Or Budda... was he (or they, if there were more than one) outlawed by the Harrapans?

Bah! The Nazca lines were irrigation ducts. It's obvious.

Actually there is nothing to suggest that the Nazca lines were irrigation ducts at all. There is, however, much to suggest that they were ritual in nature or used to represent the worldview of the Nazcans.


I have to admit that I am really curious about "Adam's Bridge" (I have not yet found out where that name comes from, but would certainly like to know that).

The "Adams Bridge" feature of the Palk Straits is a geologic feature and not a constructed one, and it has been studied at length and satisfactorily described by geologists (Nityananda & Jayakumar, 1981). There's no mystery to the Palk Straits. Tombolos are common in the world and the geologic morphology is ideal for one in the Palk Straits. At around 1 mya the dominant hominid species was Homo erectus, who relied on archeulian tools. Hardly the technology capable of constructing a "bridge" across the Palk Straits. The lower sea levels of the period, however, probably made this unnecessary as the tombolo was likely well above water much of the time.



Nandini Nityananda and D.Jayakumar (1981). Proposed Relation between Anomalous Geomagnetic Variations and Tectonic History of South India. Physics of the Earth and Planetary Interiors Vol. 27, pp 223-228.

Another explanation of the Rama's bridge:

http://www.skyimagelab.com/hanmonbrid.html

The bridge is only 3500 years old?

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=17736

The first article is for shit:


he bridge´s unique curvature and composition by age suggests that it may be man made. The legends as well as Archeological studies reveal that the first signs of human inhabitants in Sri Lanka date back to the primitive age, about 1,750,000 years ago.

1.7 mya there were no humans. Not H. sapiens at any rate. The dominant species of hominid of the time were Homo habilis, which was just finishing a reign that began around 2.4 mya, and Homo erectus, which had just begun his reign at 1.8 mya. The tool industry of these two species was Acheulean (http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/stones.html) and H. erectus probably had use of fire.

I doubt they were either motivated or capable of creating a "bridge" across the Palk Straits. Nor would have had to, since the region is a perfect spot for a natural tombolo.

The second article makes far more sense than the first. It seems unlikely that the tombolo's existance predates the last glaciation. The lowered sea-levels of the Pleistocene would have made an ideal situation for trapping sand in the shallows of the straits fed by the local currents.

GURU>>Where r u???

vanished after posting a discussion that lingers for months......!

Skinwalker,

That is what is present understanding...science has tendency to be fickle in its theorizations, always remember...ergo to come up with a conjecture might prove to be baneful to its own cause.

thanls.

Actually I had not vanished ..was just trying to gather some thoughts as to how the discussion gets sidelined into discussing Nazca lines and Rama's bridge..and not the actual discussion point.

Hinduism can be classed as philosophy or religion ..I don't care till it gets its due respect.

Hinduism has given our civilization lots of scientific, philosophical and cultural knowledge without invading a single country to convert people into believing in their religion. In a written history of over 5000 years we have traded with ancient Eygpt, ancient china ...never once in our history have we attacked any country to spread terrorism. Most people are not even aware that Gautam Bhuddha was a Hindu and most of his philosophy comes from Upanishads and Vedas.

Our Ramayana which is one of the oldest written history books in the world describes south America, port of Spain, north pole and south pole (Read Artic Home of Vedas) ..with mention of vimana ( Flying machines) now why is one book considered as a myth when there is an explanation of how the person reached these places rather than walked on water.

And please do not discuss caste systems on this board I can have another post for that...In Vedas the caste system is not based on discrimination but on explanation of 4 types of human race.

Western culture narrows down any concept to one person one head, one king one terrorist and one saviour which is easy to market to the masses. For instance here in US people are more aware of Hare Krisna sect than Ganesh followers- Why? Because Hare Krisna sect markets their religion by promoting one God and filtering every good deed down to one person which is easily digested by the masses. Remember American history! Has there been a group of killers named in any assassination attempts -successful or unsuccessful? NO!!! just one ..which is easily marketed and sold to masses. Jesus is one of them ..In xianity even the role of trinity is muddled to say it is the same as Jesus...Hinduism talks of Trinity(Bhramh Vishnu Mahesh) and explains the meaning but has never been marketed.

Sorry- I usually like to keep my posts short and to the point...but I guess the follow up was long over due.

I would also like to clarify that when I mean aggressive marketing for Hindu religion I do not mean acting like Christian missionaries or Muslim land grabbers or terrorists.

I just want that draw attention to the sense of complacency in the Hindu community about their religion and culture which is the reason why it is being eroded by the staunch hard liners (be it Xians or Muslims). Xians and Muslims feel it is their birth right to paint all the other religions as false and spread the "LOVE" of conversion. I hate people who under the guise of love or terror try to suppress other people's religion. Why do the missionaries in India and Africa target little children by giving them food and asking them to hold bible with the other. Why not just give them food and allow them to grow into their own religion. Is this not pedophilia? are you not raping the child's brain into following your own passion ..does this not give these FU@#ers a hard on seeing a little child convert.

The point is not about getting respect.We Hindus do not demand respect for our relegion,since its not in our veins of the relegion...the point is how much knowledge you can gain from each of the world's relegions...

Zion you make my point stronger ...do you see what I mean my Hindus being complacent. You want to learn more about other religions in the world to make your life better..I understand where you coming from ...but do you realize that other religions in the world care two hoots about hindu religion and want to convert every living hindu on this planet.

You know why India was attacked by Muslim rulers, Portugese, British and even now we are being attacked by Muslims in Kashmir and Christians in NE. It is because we are standing there with open arms and with our shorts down..please hug us then fuck us in the ass...people like you would not mind getting your daughters or son falling prey to these fuckers who come to India for converting people and feel they are spreading God's love. First learn about your religion try to respect your religion and protect your religion and then try to learn about other religion. Don't be proud about not asking people to respect your religion.

Guru,
Don't you think this approach would erase the line between the so-called aggressive religions and the self-contined Hinduism?
Isn't it more sensible to attain the same objective using logic?

UT
I do not think so ...I am not asking you to be aggressive against other religion I am just asking that we promote our religion within our community by imparting a sense of protectionism against letting our people be open to conversion without first understanding their own religion.

I would like to share a personal experience...
I had a friend of mine who was in my school in Florida and she started baby sitting for a xian missionary cum prof. and it so happened that she was convinced by this fucker to convert and she secretly started attending the church and asking stupid questions like she was lingerie shopping for religion ..now I asked her she being a Hindu to go back to her roots and do more research but she was influenced by the media that the only tru religion is one of the Abhrahmic ( Judaism, Xian or Islam) ...and she refused to even consider reading or thinking about her own birth religion ..why because her parents sitting 300 miles away were too complacent about their religion ...
She converted and the first thing she said was lets go to India and spread love of Jesus ... It is time to open our eyes and be aware that these missionaries are just fuckers in robe ..and want to fuck you out of your religion....respect other religions but you better protect your house.

Thats all I want ....as far as marketing the religion is concerned like I said in this world offence is what works ...Buddhism was more prevalent than any other religion in the world look where it is right now ...

The meak will inherit the Earth, remember? What do you care how many people follow your religion? ...it's for you, not them.


I always interepreted that as meaning that the strong woudl quickly ascend to higher realms, and the pathetic remnants would inherit this shithole...

I always interepreted that as meaning that the strong woudl quickly ascend to higher realms, and the pathetic remnants would inherit this shithole...

Strong in what way? :)

No it means that what is sometimes precieved as strength, ie, violence, domination, intimidation, etc... is not true strength. They will live by the gun and die by the gun, and the peaceful people, farmers and craftsmen, artists, and people that live appropriately will survive as they always have.

Strong in what way? :)


That's the part that's open to interpretation, isn't it? :m: