Here is a question I have for everyone on this board.
Tell me do you think that British Society is more accepting of people who are different like the Handicap for instance hwne compaired to American Society.

You don't see too many british teens shooting up their high-schools

I don't know anything of British society but...

The amount of pressure put on seemingly "normal" kids to do good in school is extreme. Some kids just can't handle it.

If you want this thread to focus on why there are more school shootings in America you can ask yourself are American teenagers less accepting than British teens? But it does boil down to each society.

pshaw! you Brits are extremely biased re: your own countrymen's varied and multitudinous accents! ...Yorkshire, Liverpool, Cockney, etc, etc, as if it somehow is an important indicator of something or other.
Didn't the Brits outlaw the Celtic language, the wearing of kilts and tartans, the bagpipes, highland dancing, and the like?
I love it when Europeans think they have something to teach America about tolerance. It wasn't very long ago that Europe gave us Hitler, Mussolini, and other popular sleazebags as leaders of nations. Nobody kills eachother in large numbers regarding their sports teams allegiances here, either. We wouldn't have held welcoming parades and increased our productivity if The Third Reich marched into our cities the way the French did, as well. Now the pussies at the EU think they can teach Americans about democracy! What a load!
To quote George Orwell; "England is the most class-ridden country under the sun. It is a land of snobbery and privilege, ruled largely by the old and silly."

Didn't the Brits outlaw the Celtic language, the wearing of kilts and tartans, the bagpipes, highland dancing, and the like?
NO

The Victorians invented the Kilt so the King or Queen could look like they were Scotch!Real Highland dress,is a really long blanket wrapped around.

Didn't the Brits outlaw the Celtic language, the wearing of kilts and tartans, the bagpipes, highland dancing, and the like?

Your right they did!in 1746



Mind you,that's like saying didn't the Americans kill most of the Indians in America.
It happened years ago!

:D :D :D
Good one!
Just in case you don't know the blanket went all over the body,not just the never regions!
:)

I refer you to the Highland clearances. The history of England is rife with stories indicating the oppressive subterfuge of any "alien" cultures. The history of the US (granted, we stole the land, fair and square(a joke, ok?)--and what of 'stralia, NZ etc etc), especially in the last 5 decades, is the most INCLUSIONARY in history... but who are "indiginous people" anyway? All peoples are indiginous to this planet. There are skeletal remains of caucasoids in the "new world" that appear to pre-date the Asiatics who crossed the land-bridge into what is now known as Alaska. Aditionally, the numbers of "Native Americans" alleged to have been living here have been proven to be a grossly inflated figure. This land was by-and-large uninhabited. Plus, there was constant tribal warfare---it's not like the white people crashed Woodstock. The Hurons were particularly barbaric, and it was always about the same old shit--power, territory, raw materials, etc.
I lived for many years in the American west, and most folks I met laughed at the stupid, guilt-ridden term, "Native Americans." "Native" implies a noble savage at best, and "Americans" is what, a tribute to Amerigo Vespucci---an agent of European exploitation? Call a dude a Navajo; a Cree; a Cherokee; a Muncie; an Iroquois; even an INDIAN(which is largely preferred)---but the folks I hung with mostly mock the term "Native Americans." It reeks of liberal white guilt.
At present, we are busy making Billionaires out of Indian tribes through the granting of Casino licenses...licenses that, outside of Nevada, would be impossible to attain...what has England ever done but retreat after their genocidal (see Irish Potato Famine) urges failed---they cut their losses and ran. Excepting, of course, Northern Ireland.

from Odin:
The Victorians invented the Kilt so the King or Queen could look like they were Scotch!Real Highland dress,is a really long blanket wrapped around. [/B][/QUOTE]
the word is "Scottish"...Scotch is a fine whiskey...something the Brits are yet to produce.
LOL--Odin, the Nordic, liberal, self-hating god!
"A thousand Swedes
run through the weeds:
Chased by one Norwegian."

Originally posted by odin
:D :D :D
Good one!
Just in case you don't know the blanket went all over the body,not just the never regions!
:)
the NEVER regions? hahaha! No way you're even faintly educated! Phony lightweights!

Ok People;

Are American teenagers less accepting than British teens?

Yep.

Pease explain the Mods vs Rockers violence that never registered a blip on American radar...US popular music has always crossed ethnic lines. Look at the domination of the pop charts that Motown established in the '60s...the predominant pop music in the USA is at present, HIP-HOP. Kindly wake-the-fuck-up before presenting your ignorant impressions.

Originally posted by airdog
Pease explain the Mods vs Rockers violence that never registered a blip on American radar...US popular music has always crossed ethnic lines. Look at the domination of the pop charts that Motown established in the '60s...the predominant pop music in the USA is at present, HIP-HOP. Kindly wake-the-fuck-up before presenting your ignorant impressions.
Who wake the fuck up? ME?
or that an interpretation?

ARISTROTLE? hahahahahahahah! Open a book, dude!

if you are talking to me I would kindly reconsider if I were you, you try to say some crazy shit like that and you'll find yourself in trouble partner

who, pray tell, is AROSTROTLE? please educate me: ps: save the candyass threats--I've been in more serious shit than you could ever imagine, tuff guy.

First off, I know what you are hitting at, and I am not tring to mock/immitate the great ARISTOTLE.
If anyone is the stupid fuck here, its you because you look at a name that is spelled similarly to anthor name and automaticly assume thats what the person ment.
Don't waste anymore of my time, pal.
Yeah, you tell me about this 'airdog' character while your at it.
sounds like a children's cartoon to me.

again, little boy; please illuminate re: Arostrotle...
have you jerked-off in every room of your parent's house yet?

came back editing your message I see, I really don't care for the treats - it was just something I added to emphizise my tone.
please try to play attention.

we're nto here to talk about Aristotle, we're talking about british and american societies and compairing them, but your ADD ass can't afford to pay attention worth a lick.
and if you really need to know about him then try
this resource right here (http://www.google.com)

and this one here (http://www.dms100.org/worksucks)

little boy, dealing with you is like stepping in dog shit--- I just scrape my shoe off and move along. When you "lern to spel", please get back to me. I can hardly wait to be uplifted via your scary bank of knowledge...
just a hint: if you can discover the way to alter your illiterate pseudonym, you might lessen your likelyhood to be considered as a total cretin. In your favor, I will concede an attempt on your part to discuss an IDEA, however unlearned you appear to be.

wow!
Thanks for your enlightment...not.
Go ahead and talk all you want, atleast I didn't got a porn site and get unknown amounts of viruii put into my system buffer, like you just did.
Here take a free online virus scan at http://housecall.antivirus.com (http://www.dms100.org/worksucks)


I hope that site didn't scare you too much... :cool:

lightweight, your moronic attempts to sabotage my computer are as impotent as your meager attempt to present a cogent argument...go back to the minor leagues where you belong...
you cretinous sack of pus.

Many of the spelling "mistakes" that you are taking great pleasure in pointing out,are not caused through ignorance or lack of intelligence - but are simply our wonderful regional accents!
It also shows the difference in our sense of humour.You obviously couldn't spot a subtle joke if it hit you in the face!
i.e. Scotch - a play on words(Scotland is famous for whiskey???get it)?
Never regions - as in never makes any use of it !
If you had ever heard a south Londoner speak you would know that we never say"th" - but pronounce it as either "v" or'f ".
Resorting to insults & misjudged assessments of other people's intelligence really gives a good indication of your level of intellect.
So basically - in words that you can comprehend - Get over yourself !.

Originally posted by odin
Many of the spelling "mistakes" that you are taking great pleasure in pointing out,are not caused through ignorance or lack of intelligence - but are simply our wonderful regional accents!
It also shows the difference in our sense of humour.You obviously couldn't spot a subtle joke if it hit you in the face!
i.e. Scotch - a play on words(Scotland is famous for whiskey???get it)?
Never regions - as in never makes any use of it !
If you had ever heard a south Londoner speak you would know that we never say"th" - but pronounce it as either "v" or'f ".
Resorting to insults & misjudged assessments of other people's intelligence really gives a good indication of your level of intellect.
So basically - in words that you can comprehend - Get over yourself !. I spent many wonderful years in love with a woman I met in Bondi Beach, NSW. By elitist English standards, she would be considered as nothing more than a Cockney. I found her to be witty and brilliant and a great mother. Her father was what you would call, derisively, a busker...A wonderful gent by my NYC standards, regardless of your anal brit attention to accents. She, too, found the humor in the pronunciations of words like"muvva" in place of "mother," so, in the words of my many Aussie friends (who show up you bloody poms for the pompous twerps you really are), "Piss off, poofter."

Isn't this thread a nice reflection of society nowadays.

Thanks for pointing it out so clearly.

oh yeah, no problem there sir.

Originally posted by odin
Many of the spelling "mistakes" that you are taking great pleasure in pointing out,are not caused through ignorance or lack of intelligence - but are simply our wonderful regional accents!
It also shows the difference in our sense of humour.You obviously couldn't spot a subtle joke if it hit you in the face!
i.e. Scotch - a play on words(Scotland is famous for whiskey???get it)?
Never regions - as in never makes any use of it !
If you had ever heard a south Londoner speak you would know that we never say"th" - but pronounce it as either "v" or'f ".
Resorting to insults & misjudged assessments of other people's intelligence really gives a good indication of your level of intellect.
So basically - in words that you can comprehend - Get over yourself !.
you are so totally full of shit, it's beyond amazing...if you have any friends, do they actually fall for this low-grade crap?

Right, altho Airdog has ruined what could have been a damn good thread, I'll still post

Most British teens are not very accepting. I know this from experience as A - I am a British teen but B - I wasn't accepted because I am..."different"

Most I have been in contact with were brought up with very prejudice views and put everyone into Minimal Groups. ie Manchester United football fans may discriminate against say Liverpool supporters.

Its a very ethnosentric country, and it is a very multi-cultured country.

Some people call it immaturity, others call it ignorance, but it is mainly down to fearing something that is new/different.

Hope this helped a little

This is the last reply I will make to this thread,as I find trading insults very tiresome.
There are a few faults,however,that I would like to point out in your last statement.
(1)Australians/New Zealand accents sound nothing like British - in fact to us,they sound remarkably like Americans!
(2) There is no way that we could ever consider an Aussie to sound cockney.
The definition of a cockney is someone who was born within the sound of the Bow Bells,in Bow in East London.
As Bow no longer has any bells,I imagine that there cannot be many true cockneys left alive.
Londoner's don't all have accents like Hugh Grant or Princess Diana.If you read my post VERY CAREFULLY - I'm sure that even you will see that I am saying that I speak like a 'cockney'.
If I write as I speak,you assume that I am unintelligent & make spelling mistakes.
If I write using correct English,you accuse me of being a 'pompous twerp'.
You obviously feel threatened when it is clear that you are not intellectually dominant,& use insults to hide the fact.
Just one last thing"Piss off,poofter"
I do not find this offensive.
Only school boys find homosexuality offensive,threating & funny.This is the 21st century you know!

isolated thoughts

spit that plum outta yer mouth dammit
aint madonna the last cockney alive?
native indian reparations = casino licences?
workin class hero = airdog

lmao

isolated thoughts

spit that plum outta yer mouth dammit
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What part of "I am saying that I speak like a 'cockney'" don't you understand!

sorry buddy!!
what part of "isolated" dont you understand?


:D

What the hell happened to this thread, i was reading it then all of a sudden it went to shit. I live in Scotland and am half scottish, anything u have to ask about this country please tell me.

The English did ban the Celtic language and also the scottish coat of arms flag. The Rampant Lion, its still illegal to fly this flag.

Of course in britain as far as I can tell there arent many obviously different ethnic groups in british schools in large amounts. Not 20% blacks or hispanics or asians. Nobody around where I live is going to nit pick about an unusual accent.

Originally posted by airdog
Pease explain the Mods vs Rockers violence that never registered a blip on American radar...US popular music has always crossed ethnic lines. Look at the domination of the pop charts that Motown established in the '60s...the predominant pop music in the USA is at present, HIP-HOP. Kindly wake-the-fuck-up before presenting your ignorant impressions.

I know this is basically a dead thread, but, that quote doesn't sit with me right somehow.

Motown produced many great Soul and R&B legends and artists in it's era. Music was good, great, and grand then.

Fast forward to today...2002 (almost 2003) in the good ol' US of A. Hip Hop, like airdog stated, is the predominant popular music in this country.

Why though?

Most of the stuff that I hear on the radio, and see on MTV, is the bling-bling, jiggy, ghetto fabulous type of Hip Hop. This is what appeals to the masses.

There's more to it than that though. There are so many Hip Hop artists who are lesser known to the general public. These artists are the ones who actually have some substance to their lyrics, and ideas behind their beats and samples.

I guess I'm just saying that yeah, Hip Hop crosses ethnic lines, but there's really not much to it. Which is basically saying, the people who are listening to it don't have much substance themselves. It's just braincandy, that is being fed to the fat, consuming souls who will eat anything up. You know what I mean?


Anyways, in answer to the original question posted... I don't really know. I've never been to Britain. But, it seems like Europe is more accepting in some really important issues and aspects that America is not, and that's why America is really being held back from growing along with the rest of the world.

Anyways, in answer to the original question posted... I don't really know. I've never been to Britain. But, it seems like Europe is more accepting in some really important issues and aspects that America is not,

Speaking as a Brit I don't think this is true. Like all things there is no clear cut, delineating aspect of society you can point to and say we are better than you here.

Only in the last 12 months we have had racially motivated riots in some cities. Members of far right wing, fascisistic parties have been elected to public office, in those cities. Several pressure groups campaign to get more ethnic groups on TV, in office and serving as police officers. I think you'll find the same is mirrored on mainland Europe.

The thing all European countries are struggling with at the moment is economic migrants/asylum seekers from eastern european countries and the mid-east. There has been a right broo-ha-ha for some years over a refugee center in Sonngat. Basically, it's located within easy reach of the Channel Tunnel rail terminals and is a popular destination for refugee's. From their they risk their lives hiding under freight trains to get into the UK.

The center was closed a few days ago and the UK agreed to take 1500 asylum seekers off Frances' hands. Last night 12 Iraqi's where given board and lodgings. Today the press are up in arms.

Pease explain the Mods vs Rockers violence that never registered a blip on American radar...
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Thats easy to explain,it never happened!it was made up by the press because they never had any news for there papers!

wonder who was pushing my uncle off his vespa everytime he went for a ride

:D

About 3 months ago they had a documentary on the TV about it & it was made up by the Press.I was there,I had a bike & a scooter at the time.
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Mabe its because he had a Vespa or bad breath.Lambretta's were cool.

ok

the press created the rivalry
the press exaggerated incidents
the press blew everything out of proportion
the press instigated shit

that is still a long way from outright fabrication

what really happened in clacton? margate? brighton?

The reporters ran around saying oi they're beating one of your friends up down there quick ect.Most people just looked the other way,there was a couple of small fights,but only the normal sort of thing.
Also in the newspapers,they wrote that there is going to be a big punch up at "Clacton"Margate" Brighton" & every one went to watch.
That's all it was,honest.

If your uncle got beat up,then it was by some idiots that had been inspired by the press!

odin
coolness!

:)

Didn't the Brits outlaw the Celtic language, the wearing of kilts and tartans, the bagpipes, highland dancing, and the like?

The kilt and bagpipes were banned, but not Highland dancing as it didn't exist till after the ban

After Bonnie Prince Charlie's defeat at Culloden, which ended the 1745 Rising of the Clans, Parliament banned the kilt and bagpipes as instruments of war. This ban, which broke the strength and heart of the Highlands, was lifted some 30 years later, when tartan material became a fashion rage in London, and the Highland dance depicts a Scot kicking off his hated lowland britches and shows his joy of again being able to return to his traditional Highland dress.



To quote George Orwell; "England is the most class-ridden country under the sun. It is a land of snobbery and privilege, ruled largely by the old and silly."

That was a silly thing for Orwell to say, however, these days we are all ruled by a politically correct crazed government who is about as democratic as Hitler. e.g. the Iraq war




What the hell happened to this thread, i was reading it then all of a sudden it went to shit. I live in Scotland and am half scottish, anything u have to ask about this country please tell me.

The English did ban the Celtic language and also the scottish coat of arms flag. The Rampant Lion, its still illegal to fly this flag.

Its not banned, where did you get that idea from?


http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/icons/rampflsm.gif


The "Rampant Lion", or Royal Flag of Scotland is based on an older Scottish flag than the St. Andrew's Cross, it should, strictly speaking, now only be used by the monarch in relation to her capacity as Queen in Scotland. However, it is widely used as a second national flag.

The Rampant Lion flag flies over the offices of the Secretary of State for Scotland that is Dover House in London and New St Andrew's House in Edinburgh.



Of course in britain as far as I can tell there arent many obviously different ethnic groups in british schools in large amounts. Not 20% blacks or hispanics or asians. Nobody around where I live is going to nit pick about an unusual accent.

Many schools in the area where I live are populated with 90% ethnic minority children, its a bit like "Spot the white kid".



Pease explain the Mods vs Rockers violence that never registered a blip on American radar...
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Thats easy to explain,it never happened!it was made up by the press because they never had any news for there papers!

Mods and Rockers in the 60's were real and not some article in a newspaper, I don't know why America has never heard of it, and nor do I care. Perhaps teenage warfare in America has always been more violent than the British.

Nowadays we have another type of teen warfare in the cities of England in the form of Asian gangs, for example in Milton Keynes.

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I will finish by saying that the English nationality does not exist, thanks to James VI of Scotland :)

Did you know that the nationality of the English people does not exist, you cannot lawfully claim to be English and that England does not exist politically. It kind of makes the "England Expects" so false doesn't it.
This is disgusting.
I used to be proud to be English but I have been let down and hoodwinked by my own country. It's a farse!

Constitutionally and politically England does not exist and therefore the English nationality is not a legal claim . It ceased to exist politically and constitutionally in 1707 with the Act of Union (through James VI of Scotland who was also James I of England) . So did Scotland. But Scotland received back its constitutional and political existence, and hence its national existence, in 1998 when it got back its Parliament. So did Wales with the Welsh Assembly.

But as there is no single constitutional and political institutional representing England, it alone of the three nations of the island of Britain does not exist politically and constitutionally.

The House of Commons is not England's Parliament. It is the Parliament of the United Kingdom, and is responsible for looking after the UK as a whole. The Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly have been created for the specific purpose of looking after Scottish & Welsh interests. So who is looking after England's interests?

At his first opportunity, Tony Blair urged “the speedy creation of a new Iraqi Parliament” yet he continues to deny that right to England.

Agh, Britain's great! I don't feel as if I have to conform to any particular constituent of society in any way, and neither do my friends, and as a result, everyone is an individual! There are no religious nutcasses here anymore. This is the home of rational scientific experimentation, something to be extemely proud of, and probably half the reason why there aren't any religious nutcasses here anymore.

The only problem I have is the Scottish! They have a chip on their shoulder! Ok, I know we may have slapped them around a bit in the past or whatever, but they're accepted nowadays! Everybody's accepted nowadays. John Barnes, for instance, when he first played for England was booed and hissed, but there is no way that any black player - other than Emile Heskey -would be booed nowadays. I mean, I just couldn't imagine Ashley Cole being booed by England fans, except by a small minority of yobs... But yobs, by their very definition are disgusting, disgraceful people anyway, and would beat up their own mother's, presuming thier mothers didn't kill themselves for them being born.

But the Scottish, I feel that maybe they have a presecution complex. But I think it's the other way round, they have inherently been protective against the English, and as a result they have been conditioned by their surrondings to hate the English, so nowadays it's the opposite, the English are being persecuted.

Well, I don't hate the Scottish. I'm blissfully indifferent to them. Just like I am to every other country, except the Australians.

Mods and Rockers in the 60's were real and not some article in a newspaper,

No one said they did not exist,just that the war between them was made up by the newspapers :eek:

No one said they did not exist,just that the war between them was made up by the newspapers :eek:

The hatred between them was real; not some columnists figment of imagination. The fights and chases were very real, I was there.

The hatred between them was real; not some columnists figment of imagination. The fights and chases were very real, I was there.

I was there as well I had a 500cc BSA Gold Star & a 175 Lambramtta.
If there were any fights & chases then they were inspired by what the idiots had read in the papers.

I was there as well I had a 500cc BSA Gold Star & a 175 Lambramtta.
If there were any fights & chases then they were inspired by what the idiots had read in the papers.


I used to have a Lambretta GP150, Bright Orange with Black stripes, Mirrors galore (which kept getting nicked) and a Union Flag on each panel....

Wish I still had it now - be worth a few bob....LOL!

….i think yes, although I have no idea of the situation in the US. I went to Leeds University and I was a member of the student’s guilds disability group (being dyslexic I qualified) and I had loads of friends who were handicapped (blind, deaf ext). People were ‘accepting’ in that there was no abuse, but still pretty clue less of how to act around someone who had a handicap. They would wait for someone use a white cane to walk out into a street full of cars rather than over come the ‘politeness’ in questioning the person if they needed help. There is also the story of a man who walked into Boots with his guild dog and asked where the shampoo was, and the lady took hold of his dog and walked off leaving him standing there. The dog being well trained turned heal and headed back to his owner dragging the woman behind.

Its hard to measure ‘acceptance’ without defining it, but I’d think of it in terms of being accepted into society so maybe some pointers would be issue such as; are public buildings required to be accessible to all, do organisations offer alternative communication (brail/large scripted/sign language)

It should also be possible to compare the abortion rates of Downs syndrome and other ‘handicaps’ which can be ‘found’ by prenatal testing. But differences in government monetary support for ‘handicap’ children might factor into this

…actually thinking about it there must be a study somewhere about this…

….i think yes, although I have no idea of the situation in the US. I went to Leeds University and I was a member of the student’s guilds disability group (being dyslexic I qualified) and I had loads of friends who were handicapped (blind, deaf ext). People were ‘accepting’ in that there was no abuse, but still pretty clue less of how to act around someone who had a handicap. They would wait for someone use a white cane to walk out into a street full of cars rather than over come the ‘politeness’ in questioning the person if they needed help. There is also the story of a man who walked into Boots with his guild dog and asked where the shampoo was, and the lady took hold of his dog and walked off leaving him standing there. The dog being well trained turned heal and headed back to his owner dragging the woman behind.

Its hard to measure ‘acceptance’ without defining it, but I’d think of it in terms of being accepted into society so maybe some pointers would be issue such as; are public buildings required to be accessible to all, do organisations offer alternative communication (brail/large scripted/sign language)

It should also be possible to compare the abortion rates of Downs syndrome and other ‘handicaps’ which can be ‘found’ by prenatal testing. But differences in government monetary support for ‘handicap’ children might factor into this

…actually thinking about it there must be a study somewhere about this…

Hello Weebee

Personally I'd fall over myself in trying to help someone with a disability, I wouldn't be able to do enough for them. I hope that you're not using the examples above to paint a bad picture of peoples attitudes in Yorkshire, England.

Because it simply isn't true. :)

Falling over yourself might not help a 'disabled’ person much….;)

I love Yorkshire and its one of the friendliest places in the UK, but I do think that people in the UK ( and probably everywhere) don’t know that much about how to help people with disabilities. When is asking if a person wants help expectable, and what help do they want? British politeness plays into this, as well as a lack of childhood education.

(the examples were from my two of my friends who came other places in the UK)

When is asking if a person wants help expectable, and what help do they want? British politeness plays into this, as well as a lack of childhood education.

(the examples were from my two of my friends who came other places in the UK)

Well I first ask if they require help, some disabled people are very proud and help is sometimes seen as an insult. If they answer that help is required I ask what they want me to do, unless its a simple task such as taking them across a busy road,, otherwise I act on their instructions. It's the best way, personally, that I can help disabled people.

Disabled for life? attitudes towards, and experiences of, disability in Britain (http://www.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd5/rrep173.asp)

Disabled for life? attitudes towards, and experiences of, disability in Britain (http://www.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd5/rrep173.asp)

WOW...... your literacy skills overwhelm me

You offer........ A link ?????????

:rolleyes: