This lyric/Song was sent to me by my son. It is a Song from Queen and I think there's a lot to say about this lyric. It says a lot about the way we are living today.
It's a short Song, the lyric is very actual nowadays and to the point.

Is This The World We Created:

Just look at all those hungry mouths we have to feed
Take a look at all the suffering we breed
So many lonely faces scattered all around
Searching for what they need

Is this the world we created...?
What did we do it for
Is this the world we invaded
Against the law
So it seems in the end
Is this what we're all living for today
The world that we created

You know that everyday a helpless child is born
Who needs some loving care inside a happy home
Somewhere a wealthy man is sitting on his throne
Waiting for life to go by

Wooh, is this the world we created...?
We made it all our own
Is this the world we devastated, right to the bone
If there's a God in the sky looking down
What can he think of what we've done
To the world that he created

I get sad by reading/hearing this Song. I think Queen has very good points here about the actual world we are living in...

:(

I agree it's a fab song and even better when sung instead of read. Also a huge lump of fabness is "Who wants to live forever?" It was released here about the time people started to become aware of Freddies illness and therefore had even greater meaning.

A huge loss

Rest in peace Freddie you ol' tart !:D

Except that we have fewer people per cent going hungry every night. Fewer people per cent live the short sort of brutal lives that were common even 150 years ago, much less back in the dark ages. Granted the world isn't perfect, and we haven't been able to fix every social problem, but we're slowly but surely working on them.

I like that song very much. I have it on the cd Queen live in Wembley '86.

It is a good song, that keeps your eyes open for the misery in the world.

Thanks to bring the song back to mind. I'm gonna play it right now! :)

It is a good song, that keeps your eyes open for the misery in the world.

I envy you greatly, that you need a song in order to be reminded of this.

You're a very lucky man, A4. :)

Personally, I prefer Blake:

Every night and every morn
Some to misery are born
Every morn and every night
Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night

Riomcloud:

Except that we have fewer people per cent going hungry every night. Fewer people per cent live the short sort of brutal lives that were common even 150 years ago, much less back in the dark ages. Granted the world isn't perfect, and we haven't been able to fix every social problem, but we're slowly but surely working on them.

Aye! Indeed, we shall continue to work on them. There is no limit to what science can do, so long as we are not stupid arses and blow ourselves to smithereens!

I am indeed a happy man.

I didn't need the song.

I don't need to explain everything :)

There is no limit to what science can do, so long as we are not stupid arses and blow ourselves to smithereens!

Yep! :)

I still think there's a lot to say about this world we created. And that the lyrics of this rather old Song are as actual as they were then. It isn't all that bliss. Look at all the suffering which is going on in the poor parts of the world. Also, there are still children born, every day, in misery. Look at how people treat eachother, they lie and cheat for a lousy ten bucks...just an example.

Originally posted by Bbcboy

...and even better when sung instead of read.

You are absolutely right! :) If I could, I would've posted the Song as an attachment to the post. :)

[philosopher Mode On]
It is indeed a shame Freddy Mercury left this world, we created. He had an enormous charisma and was a great Artist...Queen is very poorly nowadays, without him. They gave a performance in the Netherlands last April 30 ( Queen's Day :) ) and it was terrible, so I heard it tell, didn't see any of it, though. Still Brian May is a great guitar player...
[/philosopher Mode Off]

At least 30000 children die every day.

I wrote a whole reply here.

But I get the feeling you are just looking for conflict. So I erased it. You can think of me what you like.

I am glad about that!

And my God, you are a quick copy and paster! :)

Originally posted by A4Ever

But I get the feeling you are just looking for conflict. So I erased it. You can think of me what you like.

Originally posted by Xev

I envy you greatly, that you need a song in order to be reminded of this.

You're a very lucky man, A4. :)

I see no offense in this reply A4Ever, :) Looks more like a compliment to me. :)

Maybe this is a little example of misunderstanding in the world nowadays too. People should show a little more respect and understanding. As in :Listen better to what someone has to say. :) And it's not meant unfriendly. I value your opinions just like all the others. Disagreement belongs to people and their behaviour toward eachother is coloured by it. It should bring a little more peace in this world if we all could have a little more patience toward eachother. :)

Life is made to easy for the more richer people in this world and that is a reason the more poor people are forgotten and left alone. Technology improves and gives us things like computers and internet, so we can communicate all over the world with it.

People in war-zones and countries with poor resources don't have this opportunity and so it is easier to forget and just focus on your own daily life. I mean, we all know about children and adults living in miserable conditions, some of us donate money. Who says it will reach the ones who really need it. In some countries the leaders are "bad" and keep the help given in money, or name something else, to themselves and the people in the countries don't see anything of it.

Don't know how to write it down exactly right, I guess you get the point...I hope...

Your point is very clear. :)

But you put wrong quotes of us together. I was reacting against "I prefer to be miserable and moral than happy and callous".

But it's all settled now, it was a misunderstanding, and you're absolutely right! :)

This whole rock star thing confounds me tho'
The paul McCartneys and Bonos of the world saying "oh isn't it a huge shame so many people are dying of starvation" when the combined fortunes of them both could wipe out starvation in a shot

Makes ya want to write an inspirational lyric :rolleyes:

1. Their combined fortunes would not end starvation.

2. We need structural measures, not only 'making a donation', even if it is a million dollars.

A lot of hypocrisy is causing world famin as well. For example, if we produce too much tomatoes, we sell them in Africa at a lower price than local farmers can sell it. It's unfair competition.

I think your view is too simple and not subtle enough.

Btw, that girl that was on Bono's t-shirt: she has been released.

At the last count P Mc was worth several BILLION and whether he gives a single penny or not is not really the argument.

My point is they come on t.v. at telethons etc and get all het up that us 'little people' don't give our hard earned for the poor starving people when they sit on fucking VAST fortunes.

I know my answer was concise and I do have fair knowledge of the reasons for the famine that exists in the world.

I just think they should either shut the fuck up and carry on singing about yellow subs or give most of their money away and thereby convinve me of their conviction.

I knew what you were saying, and I agree - tossing the wealth of the vatican in the hat might help too.

Cheers,
Teri

I do not agree.

take the wealth of all the popstars and the vatican combined. Throw it at the third world. Maybe we'll see a short risin of living standard, but it will fall back very quickly.

You see, we need structural, non hypocritical measures -urgent- and not simply giving money.

We need investment and education on the long term.

Don't take offence - I also know what you're saying.

I was just throwing in an arbitrary comment.
It's not meant to be taken as a serious idea on how to fix the world.

Along with investment and education there is a multitude of things we need to do. I don't proclaim to know how to fix any of it. Actually, I wonder whether anyone knows what the solution is?

Peace
Teri

you want sad songs lission to "ligtning crashes" by live, you can't get much sader than a new mother losing her baby by miscarage

or there is the creed song "wash away those tears", its about rape but writen from the perspective of a best friend of a rape victom

both of them are so sad

Yes, there are a whole lot sad, sad Songs. Good Songs and it is a good thing they are there. :)

I too, do agree with Bbcboy, because when people like Paul McCartney would actually do someting with all the billions he owns and just go to the poor countries, where there's no water and to less food, he would make a difference. There are countries in which no food grows because of the drought ( or how you write it - hope I spelled it right). I know it seems a very difficult thing to do, it is not that hard, though. They should just join hands in this - people like PaulMcC., U2, The Stones and name some others who are loaded with money, they earned because of people like you and me, are buying the albums they make. Most of the ones who buy the albums are not rich, they are not poor either.

It may be very hard to imagine how this people in poor countries suffer. I think it a good idea to let the real rich Music Artists take their money and buy food and water supplies and so on for those people who are in need of it.

Oh well, I write it down wrong again, it seems undoable, it is not so in my mind, though. Guess it is easier to imagine this really happening than it is to do. There must be some kind of way...

im sorry but i dissagree

you want to see TRUE suffering, you can find it in EVERY country

i knew a girl who use to live on the streets, no food, no shelter

i hate to bring this up all the time but WHY THE FUCK DO OUR YOUTH WANT TO DIE???????????

the suffering in poorer countrys maybe more oviouse but don't for one minute think that because you live in a "good country" that everyones is cared for, feed, clothed, sheltered any better than those poor countrys

and i still can't see much sader than a mother losing her unborn child, except for maybe a mother losing her NEW born child

cot death is terible (yes i know ALL about cot death because my family was in the local twins club, because my brother and sister are twins, and some people there lost babys to cot death)

So, to be consequent and all, since the rockstars wont give away the money we gave them, the next time we think about buying a cd or going to a concert, we give the money to charity instead.

OK?

Death to us all ! -->fuck this f*ckin population ! I hope the thirdth wolrd war destroys all of the people,....and the whole world !

but unfortunately: there's always a good shelter for the rich,...

Thx
:bugeye:

I agree with A4 - we do need education also.

And Assy - yes, there is suffering in the whole world, not just third world countries. So I agree with you too! Wow! I think thats a first!!!!!!


Take care:)

Yes. There I agree highly with you Asguard.:) You can find suffering and misery in every street nowadays. Doesn't it make you sad to see that it is possible in our "rich", civilized countries, that so many people still have to suffer because they can't pay the rent or just have no choice than to live on the streets because of problems they've had in their past?

Isn't it so that everybody has the right to live inside a house, that they have shelter in any way? Do you know how others look at these people who are forced, one way or another, to live on the streets and fall deeper in despair, this way? I think we have to be open to them, for they are not "evil" or dirty or whatever. I know a lot of people who don't have a roof above their heads. Some of them sleep in "Homes For The Homeless". (don't know the exact word for it in English, sorry) and have to go on the streets again as soon as they are awake and have had a measly breakfast. Yes it is good these "Homes" are there, it doesn't help them with their problems though.

And don't come to me with stories that most of them are drunks or drug-users, because that is only part of them, not all, not in a long run.

My experiences with the homeless are not bad. I've had them in my apartment many times when there was no way for them to go.

So yes, you are right. I am sorry I went off to much in the direction of the poor countries, I think that we can take care of our own homeless people if we ony give it a chance.

And the Rock-Stars giving their money to the poor was just an example. It doesn't seem right no, in some cases. It's hard to explain.

The numbers of homeless people in the "rich" countires are growing. It gets harder and harder to keep their heads above the Water and yes, it are a lot of young people. So why do they kill themselves? Because they don't see a solution...no way out no more. And that's very sad. Too sad for words.

Maybe Fukushi's answer is not so bad. The people on Earth need another chance. Maybe there should be a total change in this civilization.

Yes, we need education. Do you know how expensive a good education is? Some people simply cannot pay for this and their children don't get the opportunity to be educated.

A good friend of mine was studying for being a Doctor, as in medicine. Well, she finished her fourth year in the University and then the rules got changed. She was getting a allowance from the State to support her education and all of a sudden it was decided that her parents should pay because they were just above the limit of receiving some allowance to let their daughter finish her education. She had only one more year to go and had to leave the University because of it.

Is that fair??? I think it is ridiculous.

That is the world we are living in today. Ande we created it ourselves.

I go for revolution! Away with the old, make place for the new. Changes we need...big changes to give others a more fair chance...

And don't come to me with stories that most of them are drunks or drug-users, because that is only part of them, not all, not in a long run

Your wrong here Banshee. I work with the homeless population here in town. And 90-95% are drug or alcohol abusers. My mother is homeless - so I know what Im talking about.

Take care:)

Banshee

Isn't it so that everybody has the right to live inside a house, that they have shelter in any way?

Absolutely not. If these people give up on society, they deserve nothing.

Do you know how others look at these people who are forced, one way or another, to live on the streets and fall deeper in despair, this way?

Forcing them ? What, with a gun to their heads ? Give me a break. The only thing stopping them is their own willpower.

I think we have to be open to them, for they are not "evil" or dirty or whatever.

Exactly, they're lazy.

Yes it is good these "Homes" are there, it doesn't help them with their problems though.

"Homes" solve nothing, they merely prolong the problem.

The numbers of homeless people in the "rich" countires are growing.

Does that mean the number of homeless people in "poor" countries is shrinking ? It is the poor countries we should turn our attention.

Some people simply cannot pay for this and their children don't get the opportunity to be educated.

Ever hear of scholarships ? That's when deserving children, rich or poor, get their schooling paid. Education is not something to be handed to everyone but instead to those that wish to take advantage of the education. Too many are being educated, yet are learning nothing.

She was getting a allowance from the State to support her education and all of a sudden it was decided that her parents should pay because they were just above the limit of receiving some allowance to let their daughter finish her education. She had only one more year to go and had to leave the University because of it.

Is that fair??? I think it is ridiculous.

Absolutely fair. If your friend was truly deserving of the education, she would have got her allowance, one way or another.

I go for revolution! Away with the old, make place for the new. Changes we need...big changes to give others a more fair chance...

Socialism and communism don't work. They are a blight on society and should be abolished. Many of those that "should get a fair chance" are simply parasites that can't do anything for themselves.

One must work very hard to get education. If you're not ready to do that, then pick up a shovel.

Socialism and communism don't work

well : let me tell you to wake up: 'cause democracy is an ilusion and it doesn't work either and the thing you name that way is actually totalitarism,...in the hands of the rich and the zaibatsu's

and that's that! if you want to defend their way of vieuw: then you're a Propagandist for them,...the assh*les that f*ck you right up your and our a$$es.

I bet you even like the system and how it's going, I bet you have a big ego too,...I bet,...nah,...I don't bet,....I'm shure

It's just a monopoly game, Prove me wrong,...Kapitalism? where's that Kapita? éh? out there in the streets: where the slaves work,...we are slaves and we protest !!! I don't want to be a slave anymore !!!

Q,

go to www.politicalcompass.org and take the test.

I will predict your results:

right +7
authority +7.5

No need to be amazed :)

Fukushi,

chill dude. All that swearing isn't helping to prove your point.

It isn't polite either :)

Fukushi

hehe - you sound like a typical parasite, looking for a free ride. Are you tired of working for yourself and would rather someone else do it for you ?

"Yes. There I agree highly with you Asguard. You can find suffering and misery in every street nowadays. Doesn't it make you sad to see that it is possible in our "rich", civilized countries, that so many people still have to suffer because they can't pay the rent or just have no choice than to live on the streets because of problems they've had in their past?"

That's called freedom. With freedom comes the oppurtunity to fuck up and the oppurtunity to do great.


"Isn't it so that everybody has the right to live inside a house, that they have shelter in any way?"

No. Everybody has the right to work hard enough to live inside a house.


"And don't come to me with stories that most of them are drunks or drug-users, because that is only part of them, not all, not in a long run."

Any proof for that? Or is it just something you wish?


"My experiences with the homeless are not bad. I've had them in my apartment many times when there was no way for them to go."

And that's a kind thing to do. However, I don't think giving people a free ride their whole life is the answer.


"Maybe Fukushi's answer is not so bad. The people on Earth need another chance. Maybe there should be a total change in this civilization."

If you want to suggest a social system that has yet to be attempted go ahead. I can't think of anything better than absolute freedom.


"Yes, we need education. Do you know how expensive a good education is? Some people simply cannot pay for this and their children don't get the opportunity to be educated."

A good amount of Americans (yes I know you're not American) don't realize that Canadian Universities are 1/10th the price and in some cases better than American Universities. Plus, education is not limited to University. What about apprenticeship? I'm an apprentice at a bike store. And I get paid.


"I go for revolution! Away with the old, make place for the new. Changes we need...big changes to give others a more fair chance..."

Like what? Care to throw up a suggestion.



Fukushi:

"well : let me tell you to wake up: 'cause democracy is an ilusion and it doesn't work either and the thing you name that way is actually totalitarism,...in the hands of the rich and the zaibatsu's"

You seem to dislike the fact that people have the right to be rich.


"and that's that! if you want to defend their way of vieuw: then you're a Propagandist for them,...the assh*les that f*ck you right up your and our a$$es."

You're what is wrong with this world fukushi. You seem to think that because I believe in freedoms I am a tool. That's disgusting. What if I said you're a tool for the neo-Marxist idiots?


"bet you even like the system and how it's going, I bet you have a big ego too,...I bet,...nah,...I don't bet,....I'm shure"

I do like the system. I love the system. It grants me the freedom to fuck up or do great.


"It's just a monopoly game, Prove me wrong,...Kapitalism? where's that Kapita? éh? out there in the streets: where the slaves work,...we are slaves and we protest !!! I don't want to be a slave anymore !!"

Then work hard and make money. Would you prefer to get your goods by not working?


"I will predict your results:

right +7
authority +7.5"

I doubt it. Q's remarks only indicated that he believes in Democracy over a system where people get free stuff for not working. I know for a fact that if I lived in a Marxist-Lenninist society I would not work. I would purposely do as little and poorly a job as possible because I would have absolutely zero motivation.

I doubt it. Q's remarks only indicated that he believes in Democracy over a system where people get free stuff for not working

Oh you annoying man! Now I'll have to come up with real arguments to kill of Q's :) :) :) I will do that when I find the time. I must admit that that prediction wasn't very mature. I will respond properly in time. Q took the test. He IS right winged. But libertarian :) Answer follows.


I know for a fact that if I lived in a Marxist-Lenninist society I would not work.

You could not probably not work in such a society. They would have sent you to Siberia! :)

A4ever

The problem with that test is that some of the questions are worded in such a way as to force a response in which a simple agreement or disagreement is not the answer one would normally give. In those cases, although perhaps I may have responded in more than 50% agreement, I simply replied with disagreement Therefore my responses probably pushed my score more to Libertarian from Authoritarian.

Yes (Q), sure, anything you wish. It is obvious you do not know a thing about the situation in countries outside the U$.

The Netherlands has over 16.000.000 legal inhabitants, there is a great lack in jobs, rents are very high. But of course, everybody has to work. Whether there is work available or not. Whether you earn enough money to pay your rent and other utilities and then I am not even talking about things that you have to pay outside of that. Sure, easy spoken from a freedom talker like you.

Study allowances are based on the income from parents. The system is made in a way you easily make just a few bucks to many to get such. It is not up to you to judge wherher people are able to work. Ever heard this sentence: For every job so many men, so many men no-one needs...

You obviously never ever tried to understand the people who loose jobs because they are replaced by younger, thus, cheaper people. You do not even care to take a closer look at all those humans who live in such poorly conditions that they just do not see another way out than to live in the streets. Do you know how much effort they do to try to get a job? No!

You live in your precious U$ and do not see the people in there who just have the same problems. It is easier to say they are just lazy. Wake up man, wake finally up from your high tower in which only your beloved self counts and perhaps a long way down the ladder a few persons else who have the same illusionary view on real life as you yourself. Not everybody chooses to do without a job!

I've always worked, I had a time that I lived in a house, together with my son. This very little house had a very big price tab on it and it was pretty hard to pay the rent there, every month. I managed yes. I also made a 112 guilders (no Euro yet then) to many to get tax refund or something like that.

There is a lot to say against the homeless, and I am convinced that most of you arrogant and spoiled people here are looking down on homeless people. I suggest you look a little further than your own, warm, cozy life in which you live up to the standards of uncle sam or you are just in your teens and do not even know how ugly life can get sometimes.

By the way (Q), did you join bush's new security cabinet? If not, then I suggest you do so. :rolleyes:



You're what is wrong with this world fukushi. You seem to think that because I believe in freedoms I am a tool. That's disgusting. What if I said you're a tool for the neo-Marxist idiots?

No, he is a victim of a society which can not answer to the big asking for life supplies. I don't know whether he works or not. Who the fuck are you Tyler, to say that he lives in a neo-marxistic society. Do you know then where Fukushi is from? Do you know anything about him really? Do you know in which country he lives?

How do ytou know it's not a free country Tyler? Oh, the ignorance of the young. You please go ahead with your life Tyler and learn to know all things from a Land of Freedom, as in the pro's and cons.

As for education systems, they differ from country to country. As a student you mostly have very little money and most of them are having a job besides their studies...

Sigh.....
Banshee. You get way to emotional and it clouds your logic. Or your reading. I don't know which.



"The Netherlands has over 16.000.000 legal inhabitants, there is a great lack in jobs, rents are very high. But of course, everybody has to work. Whether there is work available or not. Whether you earn enough money to pay your rent and other utilities and then I am not even talking about things that you have to pay outside of that. Sure, easy spoken from a freedom talker like you.......(and the rest of your first section)"

What would you prefer? Like I said before, what would you prefer? A nation which works more towards getting the economy running and the unemployment rate very very low? Then come on over to Canada. Or many other Democratic nations. The thing is, like every kind of system, some Democracies will have ups and downs economically. Ask a former-Soviet citizen or our young Latvian friend how communism supported hte people at certain times when resources were low and used in other areas.


"No, he is a victim of a society which can not answer to the big asking for life supplies. I don't know whether he works or not. Who the fuck are you Tyler, to say that he lives in a neo-marxistic society. Do you know then where Fukushi is from? Do you know anything about him really? Do you know in which country he lives?"

In short; fuck you, learn to read. Fukushi immediatly called every single Democratic human being a tool to the system and a blind, ignorant idiot. He called me a tool of the system. So I said; what if I called you a tool to the system you believe in? As in to point out there is no difference and that I am not a blind, ignorant human being but one with his own view. My question IN NO WAY whatsoever insinuated he lived in a communist nation. Never once did I state that. I questioned his being a tool to the system he believes in the same way he questioned me being a tool to the system I believe in. Understand? Not a difficult concept at all.


"As for education systems, they differ from country to country. As a student you mostly have very little money and most of them are having a job besides their studies..."

I am a student. And my parents have recently decided to not pay for any of my University fees.



Also, I find it very interesting that you call me insulting at this point. Your golden boy Fukushi basically called everyone who believes in Democracy an asshole, fucking idiot and moron. Glad to know where your morals are.

Also, I find it very interesting that you call me insulting at this point. Your golden boy Fukushi basically called everyone who believes in Democracy an asshole, fucking idiot and moron. Glad to know where your morals are.

Maybe he has reason to do so. Ever thought about that? And then again, don't come to me with your morals. What about your morals? Shall I mention all the threads you started to write down all your personal, narrow-minded views on another member, perhaps because you envied him???

Anyway, this is not a flaming thread and I do not wish to participate in such.

A small country with to many inhabitants always runs into problems I guess if the government of such a country tries to please everybody who's in there. It just doesn't work out the way they wanted. It is just to sad for words that people in a so called rich country have to be poor and thrown down the drain. That's it for now.


I am a student. And my parents have recently decided to not pay for any of my University fees.

Well, then it is good to know you are an apprentice and get paid. :) Good for you! Keep it up and I wish you all the luck and wisdom in the world...May your road lead on to glory... :) In:The World We Created...!

(Can we stop the flaming, insulting and so on and talk in a more normal way from here? )

"Maybe he has reason to do so. Ever thought about that? And then again, don't come to me with your morals. What about your morals? Shall I mention all the threads you started to write down all your personal, narrow-minded views on another member, perhaps because you envied him???"

I've insulted Fox, Nelson and Randolfo the most. Fox, well, you understand I hope. Nelson for denying facts and not listening to logic and for not listening to ANYONE on these boards. And Randolfo for denying history.

Maybe I have reasons to say what I did to him. Didn't stop you from jumping on me.



"Well, then it is good to know you are an apprentice and get paid. Good for you! Keep it up and I wish you all the luck and wisdom in the world...May your road lead on to glory... In:The World We Created...!"

I'm not about to build bikes my whole life. I've seen what comes of most of the guys who do, and I know I'm capable of more. I'll likely end up attending a small college for two years and then persuing a scholarship of some sorts. I already have a spot open at UofT for political sciences, but I don't really want to do politics.


"Can we stop the flaming, insulting and so on and talk in a more normal way from here?"

If fuku can learn to be a human being, sure.

It is obvious you do not know a thing about the situation in countries outside the U$.

Hmmm... lets see now, last count I've been to (and lived) in (32) countries of America, Europe, Asia and Africa. I've yet to go to South America but plan to in the future.

Sure, easy spoken from a freedom talker like you

I'm not only a talker, but a walker as well. I can make money without getting a job, can you ?

Study allowances are based on the income from parents.

State run education stipends ? That's Socialism isn't it ? I have not use for that crap.

The system is made in a way you easily make just a few bucks to many to get such. It is not up to you to judge wherher people are able to work. Ever heard this sentence: For every job so many men, so many men no-one needs...

Are those Peter Gabriel lyrics? How much money does he have ? How did he get it ? Hard work or handouts ?

You obviously never ever tried to understand the people who loose jobs because they are replaced by younger, thus, cheaper people.

Or have they just outlived their usefulness ? Did they save any money towards retirement ? Any investments ? Have they tried to make money on their own without the need of a job ? Or did they just give up and whither away ?

You live in your precious U$ and do not see the people in there who just have the same problems.

Where again are you currently living ? The good old US of A perhaps ?

It is easier to say they are just lazy. Wake up man, wake finally up from your high tower in which only your beloved self counts and perhaps a long way down the ladder a few persons else who have the same illusionary view on real life as you yourself. Not everybody chooses to do without a job!

I prefer to not have a job. I don't take handouts and I pay for everything I use. Is that a problem ?

There is a lot to say against the homeless, and I am convinced that most of you arrogant and spoiled people here are looking down on homeless people.

Why not ? They got where they are by choice. They have decided to throw in the towel and let society look after them. I have no use for the homeless as I'm sure they have no use for me. Except perhaps to hold out their hand on the street for money they did not earn.

I suggest you look a little further than your own, warm, cozy life in which you live up to the standards of uncle sam or you are just in your teens and do not even know how ugly life can get sometimes.

Like I said, I've been all over the world and have seen how ugly life can get. That is why I have no sympathy for the homeless that live in a country that allows them the freedom to not be homeless. And if you had spent any time in any of the poorer nations of the world, you would realize these people cannot understand why there are homeless in free nations. If they had the same opportunities as you and I, they would not be homeless and poor.

By the way (Q), did you join bush's new security cabinet? If not, then I suggest you do so.

I suggest you get out of your little hole in the wall and see the world. There is much you know nothing about.

I've insulted Fox, Nelson and Randolfo the most. Fox, well, you understand I hope. Nelson for denying facts and not listening to logic and for not listening to ANYONE on these boards. And Randolfo for denying history.

I am used to the mockery of unbelievers like Tyler. Thank you for defending me, Banshee, but I have the ARMOR OF GOD and his comments do not sting me!!

Tyler and Q, you must READ THE BIBLE to have a proper understanding of current events. Look at Banshee, who is very enlightened!!

You obviously never ever tried to understand the people who loose jobs because they are replaced by younger, thus, cheaper people. You do not even care to take a closer look at all those humans who live in such poorly conditions that they just do not see another way out than to live in the streets. Do you know how much effort they do to try to get a job? No!

Well here in the good ole U$, its illegal for an employer to fire you because of your age:D




You live in your precious U$ and do not see the people in there who just have the same problems. It is easier to say they are just lazy. Wake up man, wake finally up from your high tower in which only your beloved self counts and perhaps a long way down the ladder a few persons else who have the same illusionary view on real life as you yourself. Not everybody chooses to do without a job!

It IS easier to say they are just lazy - THEY ARE! Every once in a while, a woman with children who recently got out of an abusive relationship, but it very rare. Like I said before, 90-95% are abusers, and they come in here to get free money, or a ride or whatnot. They dont want the counseling or the classes, they just want money. And Im sorry if I sound cruel hearted, but I watched my mom live off welfare for 18 years and when that money ran out, went homeless. All because she dont want to work. And you can ask her, she'll tell you the same thing. The same applies to ALL of her "friends". And since I wake up everyday and work like hell for a paycheck, I dont see why anyone else couldnt. It has nothing to do with "my precious US". It has to do with me hating those who think the world owes them something. The world dont owe anyone sh*t.

I see! So This Is The World We Created...?!

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by (Q)

I suggest you get out of your little hole in the wall and see the world. There is much you know nothing about.

I say the exactly same to you. There is very much you know nothing about. First of,you do not know shit about me, what I did, do or who I am and where and under what circiumstances I live(d)...

I see! So This Is The World We Created...?!

And I see you dont want to dignify my response by anything other than a "thumbs down" sign. Funny, but I think you know Im right. :rolleyes:

You seem to dislike the fact that people have the right to be rich.
some people would state that being rich (as a person or a country) comes with responsibillities,...
but It’s not even about responsibilities or to be righteous, not even about a certain moral or spiritual imbalance anymore,…


Then work hard and make money. Would you prefer to get your goods by not working?
You are seriously believing that the rich got rich by working,…LOL HAHAHAHAHAHA WAHAHAHAHA !!!! Haven’t you learned anything from the /777 thread? Like the singularity for instance,…? You might ask yourself:”what’s that got to do with it?” : but you’ll come up with the thing I’m mean,…if you think you understand what I say to you is something else then insults,…whereas: A4: if you would have check my other posts then you would have found an answer to that too,…I’m not usually spreading the insults over here,…just a warning.

I would purposely do as little and poorly a job as possible because I would have absolutely zero motivation
LOL even louder: And you say ‘I’ am what’s wrong with this world? TSSSSS

I can only emphasize Banshee’s words, And I can’t stress this enough:

You obviously never ever tried to understand the people who loose jobs because they are replaced by younger, thus, cheaper people. You do not even care to take a closer look at all those humans who live in such poorly conditions that they just do not see another way out than to live in the streets. Do you know how much effort they do to try to get a job? No!

Fukushi immediatly called every single Democratic human being a tool (a slave in service of others) to the system and a blind, ignorant idiot. (no,…that are actually your own words) He called me ( I didn’t call anyone, who did you call? The police?) a tool of the system. So I said; what if I called you a tool to the system you believe in? As in to point out there is no difference
Wrong again,…there is a diference! And a major one,….(it’s sooooo obvious that you didn’t ‘get’ it)
in this world,….nothing is as it seems to be,…it might sound a bit familiar,…and it might sound plagiat or like a parrot even,…
But you’re familiar with mantra’s no? never heard of them? I’ll tell you over and over again,…but it’ll come out of diferent mouth’s take my words for it,…it’ll be the wierdest thing you’ll ever encounter,…mark my words,…

as long as you (or the system for that matter) is seeking the cause for the problems of the system not working properly: by smacking the wipp over people’s back,…or singleing out persons socalled subversive elements,…then that’s the time it’ll take to wake up people from there matrix-like environment,…I bet you are even intertwined and interdependable on it,…you know what’s the diference between you and me?

I don’t go for the steak,….that’s you,…..

No, he is a victim of a society which can not answer to the big asking for life
And that’s ‘life’ tout courtes.
I have searched all the answers, I have found a lot,…but even I have just scratch a surface,…People will never believe what I’ve been trough,…
Understand? Not a difficult concept at all. To use your own words

As for education systems, they differ from country to country
They even difer from person to person!

but I don't really want to do politics.
then get out of here because,…: you’re already performing : parlé-mentir and propagandating an illusion: “Democrasy”

If fuku can learn to be a human being
oh year : is this the moment whereas if you would come to this some situation : you would go on saying something like: "huh,..if you can't take responsibility on the topic of what you're saying : you take it out on me huh?"
I will not do such a thing: I will even do better: watch:
It’s not that I’m inhumane,…I’m just pointing out the inhumanities that exist and that are deliberately kept into existence,…by the powerfull and the rich,…exactally the people where you’re going to work for
Q:
Or have they just outlived their usefulness ? Did they save any money towards retirement?
I’m glad to inform you that I’m not a retarded old man yet,…
Have they tried to make money on their own without the need of a job ? Or did they just give up and whither away ?


Are they countered by the right persons: because it’s only the correct people that have the ‘good’ social background that can have some leverage,…
Everybody knows you don’t get rich working you … off,… Well : let’s give them up let’s boycot them who even try to emerge from this system of enslavery,…hell: let them even enjoy their slavery,….and let them be proud to be slaves,…if there are any controversial elements we will just get the ‘right’ gear,..and whip’em out,…all of them,…


Thx
:bugeye:

"some people would state that being rich (as a person or a country) comes with responsibillities,...
but It’s not even about responsibilities or to be righteous, not even about a certain moral or spiritual imbalance anymore,…"

No. Not at all. I don't believe in enforcing my morals on other human beings, thank you very much.



"You are seriously believing that the rich got rich by working,…LOL HAHAHAHAHAHA WAHAHAHAHA !!!! Haven’t you learned anything from the /777 thread? Like the singularity for instance,…? You might ask yourself:”what’s that got to do with it?” : but you’ll come up with the thing I’m mean,…if you think you understand what I say to you is something else then insults,…whereas: A4: if you would have check my other posts then you would have found an answer to that too,…I’m not usually spreading the insults over here,…just a warning."

Many of them did. And many others inherited parents money. Something which I have no problem with. If I work hard all my life to make money I will happily leave a good portion of it to my children. And I never read nearly any of the /777 thread. It was before my time.



"LOL even louder: And you say ‘I’ am what’s wrong with this world? TSSSSS
I can only emphasize Banshee’s words, And I can’t stress this enough:"

Yes, you are. See, if I was given the option of freedom to work hard and do good/not work and fuck up or be in a Marxist-Leninist society where I could do nothing and get an easy ride I would choose the freedom to fuck up or do good. I enjoy motivation. Take motivation away from me and I won't work. I see no reason to. It's illogical to work when I get no extra benefit for doing so. I would rather have the oppurtunity to fuck up, it drives me to work. You on the other hand seem more than ready to give me the option of doing zero work and surviving quite well.


"as long as you (or the system for that matter) is seeking the cause for the problems of the system not working properly: by smacking the wipp over people’s back,…or singleing out persons socalled subversive elements,…then that’s the time it’ll take to wake up people from there matrix-like environment,…I bet you are even intertwined and interdependable on it,…you know what’s the diference between you and me?
I don’t go for the steak,….that’s you,….."

Don't go for the steak as in you don't try and succeed personally? Hoorah. The way I view society leaves you perfectly allowed to not go for the steak. The way you view how society should be I would have no oppurtunity to go for the steak. I allow you to live your way, you don't want me to live my way.


"I have searched all the answers, I have found a lot,…but even I have just scratch a surface,…People will never believe what I’ve been trough,…"

I fail to see how I am suppose to understand when you didn't state what you'd been through. Regardless, I have a cousin who went through a father leaving him, two more divorces, his brother dieing of AIDs and his mom going through cancer. He worked his ass off and continued to be a strong human being and received a Computer Engineering scholarship to the University of Waterloo - a top computers and engineering school in Canada. Anything is possible if you wish to put out an effort.



"then get out of here because,…: you’re already performing : parlé-mentir and propagandating an illusion: “Democrasy”"

I said I don't want to do politics in University dumb-dumb.


"It’s not that I’m inhumane,…I’m just pointing out the inhumanities that exist and that are deliberately kept into existence,…by the powerfull and the rich,…exactally the people where you’re going to work for"

I plan on either being a normal joe working for the wealthy man (which I have no problem with - they do their job, I do mine) or one of these wealthy men. Either way I will get there through hard work. And no matter what, there is nothing, nothing wrong with being a working man.


"Are they countered by the right persons: because it’s only the correct people that have the ‘good’ social background that can have some leverage"

Have some leverage to get a job? I walked in, signed an application and received a phone call a few days later. I fail to see how I had leverage to get my job.

Foxmulder

Tyler and Q, you must READ THE BIBLE to have a proper understanding of current events.

The bible is but one book of fables and fairy tales written years ago by fools.

Look at Banshee, who is very enlightened!!

Birds of a feather...

Banshee

First of,you do not know shit about me, what I did, do or who I am and where and under what circiumstances I live(d)...

Your posts reveal much about you... what little there is, of course. ;)

The bible is but one book of fables and fairy tales written years ago by fools.

The HOLY BIBLE is the WORD of the LIVEING GOD!!!! It is not meant to be mocked by materialistic fools and demon worshippers who do not believe in the ONE TRUE GOD!!

Birds of a feather? Banshee is enlightened, unlike greedy demon worshipping athiests!!!!

The HOLY BIBLE is the WORD of the LIVEING GOD!!!! It is not meant to be mocked by materialistic fools and demon worshippers who do not believe in the ONE TRUE GOD!!

Grimm's book of fairy tales, with it's talking animals, is more believable than the bible. :rolleyes:

Grimm's book of fairy tales, with it's talking animals, is more believable than the bible.

The HOLY BIBLE has talking animals as well!!!

The HOLY BIBLE has talking animals as well!!!

Why am I not surprised. Don't most fairy tales have talking animals ?

Why am I not surprised. Don't most fairy tales have talking animals?

Balaam's talking donkey revealed the TRUTH of GOD to Balaam! Do not make light of SALVATION!!

Sorry to say... but I dont think its getting through these "enlightened ones" ahhhhahhhahha

*falls on the floor due to enormous cramp on side from laughing so goddam hard*


Balaam's talking donkey revealed the TRUTH of GOD to Balaam! Do not make light of SALVATION!!

No shit? I was wondering who revealed "the truth" to those stuborn Balaamese:D

Man, I would love to chip in some social remarks for the counter weight, but I don't have the time right now to read all the right wing stuff... Damn :)

Q, so my prediction wan't that bad? :) I agree with you about the simplicity of the answers on some questions. I must strongly disagree with everything else you say.

Banshee, u bent van Nederland? Ik ben een zuiderbuur van u. Ik zou u willen aanraden u niet te erg op te winden. Sommige van die rechtse opmerkingen zijn al erg genoeg zonder dat u uw eigen leven nog moet verkorten met een woedeaanval :)

Q,
...I must strongly disagree with everything else you say

If you insist, please do join the other irrational posters in your quest. :)

Well: if there's one thing I learned from this thread it's this:

"never argue with machines, use them"


En A4: je mag dan wel van België zijn maar je bent heus niet de enige en geen 'U' zeggen aub: ik kan daar niet zo goed tegen hehehe,...

Thx
:bugeye:

The one thing I've learned is that you obviously can't argue without loosing your cool and definetly are an unintelligent person who can't continue actually debate, only yell his opinion. And the only bad thing about democracy I've seen in this thread is that it breeds idiots like you.

The one thing I've learned is that you obviously can't argue without loosing your cool and definetly are an unintelligent person who can't continue actually debate, only yell his opinion. And the only bad thing about democracy I've seen in this thread is that it breeds idiots like you.

If democracy creates men as intelligent and fun as Tyler, I am even more of a democrat.

If fascism creates insipid cretins such as Fukushi, then I am even more of an anti-fascist.

For by their fruits ye shall know them, eh? We see a man, Tyler, who can converse intelligently on many subjects, versus a man, Fukushi, who spouts childish drivel on whatever subject he attempts to tackle. We see Tyler, a man of keen wit, and we see Fukushi, a man so dense that neutrinos bounce off of his empty skull.

We call Fukushi a man. This may be correct chromosomally - we have no doubt that Fukushi male in this sense. However, we wonder if this can be considered correct in any other sense.

Frankly, we doubt it.

Fukashi's attempt to tackle this rather complex subject is rather amusing, in the sense that a Farrah Fawcette lecture on Hegel and dialectical materialism is amusing.

It is also painfully stupid. We refrain from further comment, seeking our cat of nine tails and hair shirt in preference to Fukushi's inanities.

At the opening of the World Food Top last monday in Rome, the secretary-general of the UN, Kofi Annan has sharply judged the way the international society handles the starvation and hunger. Kofi Annan says there are enough food suplies available, however, more than eight hundred million people don't have food.

"There is no shortage in food on this Planet. In this world of wealth we are able to end the starvation. The failure in this should fill us all with shame", Annan said.

In a declaration, yesterday, the participants said that everybody in this world has the right on safe and good food suplies. The US voted against the declaration out of fear for coming lawsuits from countries which have to deal with the starvation problem. The Americans also think that this - not binding principal -shall endanger the American embargo against Cuba.

The US also defended their new agricultire subsides and use of biotechnology on the critcism that the American policy shortages the poorer farmers this way.

The United Nations declared that daily, 24.000 humans dy of starvation. "Making new promises today has no use. There is a necessity of concrete measures", Annan said. The participants announced yesterday to try to do more against the starvation.

Director-General Jacues Diouf of the FAO declared bitter: "We have a pretty good idea of the political priority which is given to the starvation problem". Mayor Veltroni of Rome thought it absurd that the Western leaders do find the time for their G8-Topgatherings but not for gatherings concerning the worldwide actions against the poverty and unequalness.


Now this is a very bad translation and I know it. It gives an idea about how the Top leaders, I don't mention names, do not care about the poor people here in this world we created. they prefer to keep their hands on the war on terrorism and their own safe, wealthy country.

Oh well, who cares?? As long as you have your food, drinks, clothes and precious money, everything will be fine. Won't it?

I think it's outrageous so many people die of starvation in this world nowadays.

And that includes the poor people in the so called rich countries who have to live on the streets because they make to less money to pay for every single thing the government of their country comes up with.

And I can't care less what you people think of me.

So dear (Q), thank you for your kind words - keep on believing so - ;)





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Wil je mij niet van rechtse praktijken beschuldigen? Dank je wel!

Heb jij in Frankrijk met olie besmeurde vogels schoongemaakt? Heb jij wel eens iets voor een "zwerver" gedaan? Nationaliteit maakt niet uit hoor. Ik ben opgegroeid met vele verschillende nationaliteiten/culturen om me heen en ik denk dat ik er meer van afweet dan jij. Dus stop daarmee. Muchas Gracias - Merci Bien...

Fukushi, gewoon doorposten hoor, laat je niet kisten - 't is maar een message board. Keep on posting...:)

Ik ben niet degene die hier uithaalt naar eender wie: ik belicht enkel enkele aspecten van de wereld en haar veroorzakers: dit betekend niet dat ik één of andere doctrine aanhang zoals jullie dit projecteren naar mij toe: als jullie die machthebbers met klem willen verdedigen: laat ik jullie dan maar inneens uit die droom helpen: denk maar niet dat ze ook maar één bal om jullie geven, net zoals jullie ook geen bel om mij geven: jezus: jullie begrijpen nog niet eens wat ik jullie hier probeer te zeggen!
Probeer nou toch eens wat anders dan alleen maar iemand proberen virtueel af te maken,...en jullie noemen mij kinderachtig?
wacht maar af : de tijd dat jullie verantwoordelijkheid gaan voelen en dat krijgen over al die dingen die er in de wereld gebeuren zal heus nog wel komen,....en dan ga je er inderdaad iets aan willen veranderen en dan hoop ik dat jullie net zo'n koppige mensen tegenkomen als jullie zelf,...dat is alles wat ik nog te zeggen heb hier tegen jullie,...dag.

oh ja: nog iets= ik weet genoeg over jullie staatsvader om hem levenslang te laten opsluiten,...maar inderdaad: dat blijft geheim.
ooit van remote vieuwing gehoord? daar kun je het mee vergelijken,...hier gaat het niet om gebouwen of zo : maar om gedachten en dingen die er gezegd worden, acties enzo,...

oh: ja: nog wat: schrijven jullie maar eens in een derde taal jullie gedachten op,...kijken of dat zo vloeiend gaat : en wees er maar gerust in : als jullie nederlands zouden kunnen dan zou je me in en discussie ook niet kunnen verslaan: maar laat staan dat we vrienden zouden zijn: zelfs dan zou het moeilijk zijn om me iets duidelijk te maken: jullie denken alleen maar aan vechten en aan bekvechten: dat is helemaal niet waar ik aan denk: het is te merken dat jullie nog geen levenservaringen kunnen delen: laat staan dat je ze al hebt,...dan is dit board ook inneens zinloos verklaard: het nut van communicatie valt weg,...

en alles waar jullie mee op de proppen kunnen komen is : dat ik één of andere geflipte facist ben en tegen alle vorm van democratie,...gewoon maar omdat ik letterlijk zeg: dat democratie een illusie is,...nou mooie stelletje democraten zijn jullie,...inneens iemand criminaliseren en beschuldigen

Oh, in this world we created it must not be hard to do for the English speaking, well educated people here on the boards to make a literal translation from your post Fukushi. ;)

I should say: Go for it fellow humans - Show your loyalty with the not native, English speaking people in this world.

Good luck...you're gonna need it. :eek:

I think it is better to post in English because this is a Canadian message board and the main language is English.

Therefor, next posts please in English again. Thank you...:)

Sommige van die rechtse opmerkingen zijn al erg genoeg zonder dat u uw eigen leven nog moet verkorten met een woedeaanval

Ik bedoelde: u doet er goed aan zich niet te hard op te winden over rechtse opmerkingen VAN Q. Ik zag u reageren tegen hem, en kreeg schrik dat u een hartaanval zou krijgen.

In geen geval wou ik beweren dat uw opmerkingen rechts georienteerd waren. Dat kon ik ook niet, want dat zijn ze niet.

Ik ZAAI misverstanden hier op het bord :) :) :)

Peace? :)

Off course! :) Peace seems a thing that's hard to get lately with all the arguing and disagreements going on everywhere. :)

I am sorry I took your words wrong and offer my deepest apologies. Thank you for being so bright to see... ;)

The third world has been used....used like their population.

It has been used too much by America and Diplomatic countries trying to make a statement of power but not responsibility for their actions. The third world may be starving while american, british and powerful countries, sitting at home watching tv on their Sony tvs and watching ads about sponsoring children in third world countries with $1 a day campaigns, not noticing that nearly all their wars have been fought on their turf, tearing their world apart.:(

Now I take a breath;)

The third world has been used....used like their population.

Pfieuw! At last ! some other human who knows we're being ripped-off !
Welcome aciescomplio!

The third world has been used....used like their population.

It has been used too much by America and Diplomatic countries trying to make a statement of power but not responsibility for their actions. The third world may be starving while american, british and powerful countries, sitting at home watching tv on their Sony tvs and watching ads about sponsoring children in third world countries with $1 a day campaigns, not noticing that nearly all their wars have been fought on their turf, tearing their world apart.

Yes!:( I second that totally. :(



Welcome to Sciforums Aciescomplio. :)

not noticing that nearly all their wars have been fought on their turf, tearing their world apart.

When did we fight a war in Africa? :bugeye:

Oh, and Welcome aciescomplio! Thats quite a name you got there:)

Do you want me to go in detail about covert CIA ops,....and the french secret service,....and the mob? and russian gun dealers ect ect?

Or how the CIA decided to drop Mobutu and anticipate or even support Kabila, as he would serve their interests the best.