NBE (Non Biological Entities) virus is defined as human communication outside of biological interaction, i.e. writing, books, media, video, educational institutions.

This thread deals with the failure of the human brain, to function properly once it is infected by viral information.

Case in point:

When Religions are created to control human behavior, they are so effective that the effects are far reaching and viral in nature.

1. Once infected and Adult will experience failure to processes information outside or in conflict with the religious communication. A sort of does not compute reaction.

2. The virus spreads to the offspring of the Adult by nature of exposure,
forced induction, and brain washing.

3. Even when faced with reality contrary to the viral infection, reality is ignored and the subject will become uncomfortable, taking extreme actions to avoid exposure to anything that endangers the life of the virus.

This is a subject matter I am working with for a documentary.

Information obtained here may be used in the documentary.

The NBE virus is not contained to Religious content. It also exists in many human ideologies, such as in the environments of education, government, and ethnic institutions to name a few.

These viruses shape the very way the Human Mind perceives the world and it's environment.

The viruses can infect large populations.

Question:

1. Is the Human Mind infected by NBE viruses?
2. How to defend against the NBE viruses?
3. How to treat those who are infected?

NBE (Non Biological Entities) virus is defined as human communication outside of biological interaction, i.e. writing, books, media, video, educational institutions.
These viruses shape the very way the Human Mind perceives the world and it's environment.

Hmm, that sounds really bad! So we should stop communicating in any way with all others ...including reading books, watching tv, talking, ....

Yep, I like it. When do we start? And how do we enforce the new "no communicating" rules?

Baron Max

Hmm, that sounds really bad! So we should stop communicating in any way with all others ...including reading books, watching tv, talking, ....

Yep, I like it. When do we start? And how do we enforce the new "no communicating" rules?

Baron Max

The information can never be banned.

The Human mind needs to know how to process the information.

A virus can only take affect when there is no defense mechanism to prevent the infection.

1. Is the Human Mind infected by NBE viruses?

Yes.

2. How to defend against the NBE viruses?

Just die.

3. How to treat those who are infected?

Put them in stasis.

:bawl: :rolleyes:

Sorry, but your concept borders on the absurd.

To underscore what Baron already said, communication is VITAL to human mental health and overall progress!!!

Various forms of your "virus" is absolutely necessary in order to avoid many mental abnormalities that occur as a result of under-education. Things like obsessions with UFOs, blindly accepting conspiracy theories and many other undesirable things that you find expressed on this very site.

Sorry, but this is very much a non-starter that is going nowhere FAST!

The Human mind needs to know how to process the information.

So how do you know when the info isn't infected? And who makes that determination for all of the other people on Earth?

Baron Max

Sorry, but your concept borders on the absurd.

To underscore what Baron already said, communication is VITAL to human mental health and overall progress!!!

Various forms of your "virus" is absolutely necessary in order to avoid many mental abnormalities that occur as a result of under-education. Things like obsessions with UFOs, blindly accepting conspiracy theories and many other undesirable things that you find expressed on this very site.

Sorry, but this is very much a non-starter that is going nowhere FAST!

As with computers and the Human Mind, information and communication is vital.

Yet when large populations are infected by a dangerous virus, the virus can be counterproductive and a threat to the longevity of Human society.

The only way to deal with a problem is to first recognize the problem.

And you are correct, not to recognize the problem is in fact going nowhere FAST!!

Or you can just wait for the Religious leaders to invoke Nuclear War. The Choice is yours.

As with computers and the Human Mind, information and communication is vital.

Yet when large populations are infected by a dangerous virus, the virus can be counterproductive and a threat to the longevity of Human society.

The only way to deal with a problem is to first recognize the problem.

And you are correct, not to recognize the problem is in fact going nowhere FAST!!

Or you can just wait for the Religious leaders to invoke Nuclear War. The Choice is yours.

Bull !! It's very clear now - your whole 'idea' is actually centered on religion and all the rest are just freebies for you to hide behind.

Not very intelligent of you in the least. Please go back to whatever 'star' it is that you came from and leave sane people alone.:bugeye:

So how do you know when the info isn't infected? And who makes that determination for all of the other people on Earth?

Baron Max

This is the ultimate question.

I believe the answers need to be a scientific subject taught in schools.

First and foremost how Religious Mythology and Folklore, can become a dangerous virtual infection in the human brain.

Bull !! It's very clear now - your whole 'idea' is actually centered on religion and all the rest are just freebies for you to hide behind.

Not very intelligent of you in the least. Please go back to whatever 'star' it is that you came from and leave sane people alone.:bugeye:

Your opposition is expected.

Albert Einstein stated that the only thing that interfered with his intelligence was his education.

These viral infections exist in the scientific world as well.

I only use references to Religion due to the easy nature of understanding the viral effects of the infected.

Your opposition is expected.

Albert Einstein stated that the only thing that interfered with his intelligence was his education.

These viral infections exist in the scientific world as well.

I only use references to Religion due to the easy nature of understanding the viral effects of the infected.

And you, like others, really have NO idea what Einstein was expressing when he said that. That quote is quite frequently used only by those of low intellect as an excuse for ignoring knowledge.

No, you've shown your TRUE colors here and your attempt to renounce it is nothing more than a smokescreen and a clear admission that you barely know what you're talking about. Again - your whole idea is absurd!:bugeye:

So how do you know when the info isn't infected? Baron Max


I wish to answer the first part of your excellent question.

There are degrees of certainty that can be attached to information in order to sustain or create an understanding. Scientific fact is the best.

The scientific principal works in this fashion.

Some scholars admit most what is considered to be understood in theoretical science, is probably incorrect. This is where uncertainty is understood and non viral.

We know information is not dangerous or adverse to a degree when we have empirical, physical evidence to support it.

Small degrees of uncertainty can exist without adverse effects. As long as the uncertainty is understood.

It is in cases where imperial evidence and physical evidence obvious, yet the tainted information continues to spread regardless, this is problematic and needs to be recognized.

And you, like others, really have NO idea what Einstein was expressing when he said that. That quote is quite frequently used only by those of low intellect as an excuse for ignoring knowledge.

No, you've shown your TRUE colors here and your attempt to renounce it is nothing more than a smokescreen and a clear admission that you barely know what you're talking about. Again - your whole idea is absurd!:bugeye:

Your attacks and antics are childish and uncalled for. If you can't be helpful please go find someone else to harass.

Your attacks and antics are childish and uncalled for. If you can't be helpful please go find someone else to harass.

Quite the opposite. Rather than acting the age of 48 that you claim to be, your thinking is more like that of an under-educated kid of 18. While you think you're actually on to something, it's really nothing but sheer nonsense that you've dressed up to look intelligent. But a pig in a human costume is still just a pig.

The divisions you say exist between true information and your silly virus aren't nearly as easy to identify as you say. Certainly there is misinformation out there - always has been and always will be. But calling it a 'virus' is a gross misapplication of the word. And it can be overcome at any time by good education. Nothing more than that is required.

I wish to answer the first part of your excellent question.

So, ......why didn't you answer the question?! Why type all those words yet say almost nothing? You could have said nothing by doing lots less work.

So, ... "So how do you know when the info is not infected?"

And to answer that, really, only a few words are necessary. There's no need to fill up the post box just because it's blank!

Baron Max

Quite the opposite.No, actually. He is quite right. You started insulting him. For no reason. You disagreed. You can choose to point out the errors which you do to some degree in this post or you can ignore him, but there was no reason to attack him as a person.

So, ......why didn't you answer the question?! Why type all those words yet say almost nothing? You could have said nothing by doing lots less work.

So, ... "So how do you know when the info is not infected?"

And to answer that, really, only a few words are necessary. There's no need to fill up the post box just because it's blank!

Baron Max
He was right it was an excellent question. I'd be interested in your answer.

I'll give mine:
1) you have to decide you are willing to notice things that contradict or do not seem to fit with your ideas.
2) you have to decide to allow yourself to notice anxiety that makes you not want to notice something or to make excuses for why it is not relevent.
3) you could try things, if you were interested, to see if what is claimed happens - step on a crack did not break my mother's back.
4) for much of it you also have to trust your intution that a belief is working ok or is useful.

The above is no guarantee and also much of it comes in degrees. These are not switches that can be turned on and off.

He was right it was an excellent question. I'd be interested in your answer.

I'll give mine:
1) you have to decide you are willing to notice things that contradict or do not seem to fit with your ideas.
2) you have to decide to allow yourself to notice anxiety that makes you not want to notice something or to make excuses for why it is not relevent.
3) you could try things, if you were interested, to see if what is claimed happens - step on a crack did not break my mother's back.
4) for much of it you also have to trust your intution that a belief is working ok or is useful.

The above is no guarantee and also much of it comes in degrees. These are not switches that can be turned on and off.

Simon,
Thank you for your ability to understand my hypothesis.

It is difficult to construct ideals that do not exist.

My answer to the question in the shortest of terms is as follows.

A new discipline needs to be created for children and adults focused on how to process information. It should be a required subject "information processing or IP".

Definition: how to determine reality from disinformation.

This could prevent the spread of harmful viral information in children as they grow up. And it may help to cure infected Adults.

Definition: how to determine reality from disinformation.

This could prevent the spread of harmful viral information in children as they grow up. And it may help to cure infected Adults.It is a noble idea. I think before setting out any planning one needs to face the fact that the way we form beliefs can be very indirect and unconsciousn AND that our beliefs cut off perceptions. IOW the task, however necessary or good, is humbling.

We also need to include the ways in which we are taught what is not possible, what is not likely, what is silly to believe in, etc. IOW the subtle and direct admonitions not to believe certain things and to quickly dismiss any perceptions or experiences that fit these no-no beliefs.

I think a third important point is that people need to be told that often people think they believe one thing when in fact they (perhaps also) believe something else. Sometimes this can be shown by pointing out contradictions between what one says and what one does. Sometimes it takes a life changing experience or a change of some kind for someone to realize they really did believe something else but did not want to notice.

A last point. If you cannot face your emotional reactions to things, it will be very hard to pull up the anchors in the mind holding the beliefs in place. They will seem right and they will seem logical, because they have to be.

There is some very serious problems with this idea, tempting as it seems. Who decides what is an "infection"? Who may cure it?
Is it not so that many leaders of states give themselves absolute power as benevolent doctors to "cure" any "mental virus" that may infect their populations?

NBE Virus = Belief system

The only reason to invent a new word for an existing one is to put a different spin on it.
This is an attempt to compare people's religious, social and political beliefs with a viral infection, which is always a harmful thing.

Here is another analogy with a different spin, "Cultural Cuisine".
Everyone needs food, but different peoples use different ingredients, and cook the food with different spices and methods of cooking.
They do the same with beliefs.

NBE Virus = Belief system
This is an attempt to compare people's religious, social and political beliefs with a viral infection, which is always a harmful thing.


More people may have been killed for religious reasons than by viruses.

Harmful is an understatement.

No comparison here, there exist only one reality.

This is scientific fact, even though reality is distorted by Human thought and perception.

There is some very serious problems with this idea, tempting as it seems. Who decides what is an "infection"? Who may cure it?


It is up to the individual to make their own decisions. We only supply tools for them to process information.

There is no end to the amount of information that floods the human mind from childhood on to death.

Instructions on how to deal with information and attempt to decipher it's reality is something all people could benefit from.

The problem is humans must teach this to themselves by experience. If they are infected prior to this understanding, their perception may become distorted beyond repair.

Which came 1st, the chicken or the egg?
Yes, religion isn't the only malfunction as shown in the quote below & others in this thread.


Hmm, that sounds really bad! So we should stop communicating in any way with all others ...including reading books, watching tv, talking, ....

Yep, I like it. When do we start? And how do we enforce the new "no communicating" rules?

Baron Max

The OP said or implied nothing of ceasing communication.
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Simon,
Thank you for your ability to understand my hypothesis.

It is difficult to construct ideals that do not exist.

My answer to the question in the shortest of terms is as follows.

A new discipline needs to be created for children and adults focused on how to process information. It should be a required subject "information processing or IP".

Definition: how to determine reality from disinformation.

This could prevent the spread of harmful viral information in children as they grow up. And it may help to cure infected Adults.

The basics of logic & critical thinking should be taught in elementary school.
But I don't think most teachers can handle the results.
LOGIC WITH DICK & JANE
1111

It is a noble idea. I think before setting out any planning one needs to face the fact that the way we form beliefs can be very indirect and unconsciousn AND that our beliefs cut off perceptions. IOW the task, however necessary or good, is humbling.

We also need to include the ways in which we are taught what is not possible, what is not likely, what is silly to believe in, etc. IOW the subtle and direct admonitions not to believe certain things and to quickly dismiss any perceptions or experiences that fit these no-no beliefs.

I think a third important point is that people need to be told that often people think they believe one thing when in fact they (perhaps also) believe something else. Sometimes this can be shown by pointing out contradictions between what one says and what one does. Sometimes it takes a life changing experience or a change of some kind for someone to realize they really did believe something else but did not want to notice.

A last point. If you cannot face your emotional reactions to things, it will be very hard to pull up the anchors in the mind holding the beliefs in place. They will seem right and they will seem logical, because they have to be.

Yes but the earlier 1 is taught these things the better effect.
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There is some very serious problems with this idea, tempting as it seems. Who decides what is an "infection"? Who may cure it?
Is it not so that many leaders of states give themselves absolute power as benevolent doctors to "cure" any "mental virus" that may infect their populations?

Teachers, preachers & others do that very thing now yet without teaching logic.
1111

(I usually don't do this but my copy&paste is temporarily not working.)

It is a noble idea. I think before setting out any planning one needs to face the fact that the way we form beliefs can be very indirect and unconsciousn AND that our beliefs cut off perceptions. IOW the task, however necessary or good, is humbling. .

IP should be taught at an early age before many conceptions are formed.


We also need to include the ways in which we are taught what is not possible, what is not likely, what is silly to believe in, etc. IOW the subtle and direct admonitions not to believe certain things and to quickly dismiss any perceptions or experiences that fit these no-no beliefs..

Not all books, video's, movies, are fact or truth.

How many times do we have to tell our children, what they see in the movies is not true to reality?

They need to understand some reality exists in all observations. Deciphering that degree is key to understanding reality. Reality may be zero to one hundred percent.

We cannot rely on parents to teach IP to children due to the fact that most parents are infected themselves.

A scientific system of teaching IP to children needs to be established.



I think a third important point is that people need to be told that often people think they believe one thing when in fact they (perhaps also) believe something else. Sometimes this can be shown by pointing out contradictions between what one says and what one does. Sometimes it takes a life changing experience or a change of some kind for someone to realize they really did believe something else but did not want to notice..

Yes, it is important to teach the two mind sets, of the singular human mind.


A last point. If you cannot face your emotional reactions to things, it will be very hard to pull up the anchors in the mind holding the beliefs in place. They will seem right and they will seem logical, because they have to be.

Yes, reaction to the environment and negative observations, violent reactions to the environment are almost always detrimental in retrospect.

"Now what I want is, Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. You can only form the minds of reasoning animals upon Facts: nothing else will ever be of service to them."

Gradgrind in Dickens Hard Times

"Now what I want is, Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. You can only form the minds of reasoning animals upon Facts: nothing else will ever be of service to them."

Gradgrind in Dickens Hard Times

Captain

This quote is a contrast of black and white.

Reality is in gray scale as well as black and white.

It is a good thing to study mythology and folklore as long as one understands that in reality they are myth and folklore.

IP should be taught at an early age before many conceptions are formed.Isn't more a matter of letting the child explore, be stimulated, experience. I don't want another system to shove in the kid's head, even if it is the 'right' one.


Not all books, video's, movies, are fact or truth.Agreed.


How many times do we have to tell our children, what they see in the movies is not true to reality?I think a lot of this could be explained by being honest about our reactions. Most of all, I think it is important to be humble. We already have been affected ourselves. Sharing the ways in which we are caught, mindfucked, confused and extricating ourselves is a lot better than telling the kids ' the way things are' just like every other damn voice and expert out there does.


We cannot rely on parents to teach IP to children due to the fact that most parents are infected themselves. 'We'?


A scientific system of teaching IP to children needs to be established. This is an extreme example, but the Khmer Rouge thought this way.

"Now what I want is, Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. You can only form the minds of reasoning animals upon Facts: nothing else will ever be of service to them."

Gradgrind in Dickens Hard Times
A character Dickens no doubt has a severely ironic relationship with.

there are always to a ying and a yang to things, whether you acknowledgment it is the answer. theres still a state of being that needs to be taken into account. an ego is a virus.

NBE (Non Biological Entities) virus is defined as human communication outside of biological interaction, i.e. writing, books, media, video, educational institutions.

This thread deals with the failure of the human brain, to function properly once it is infected by viral information.

Case in point:

When Religions are created to control human behavior, they are so effective that the effects are far reaching and viral in nature.

1. Once infected and Adult will experience failure to processes information outside or in conflict with the religious communication. A sort of does not compute reaction.

2. The virus spreads to the offspring of the Adult by nature of exposure,
forced induction, and brain washing.

3. Even when faced with reality contrary to the viral infection, reality is ignored and the subject will become uncomfortable, taking extreme actions to avoid exposure to anything that endangers the life of the virus.

This is a subject matter I am working with for a documentary.

Information obtained here may be used in the documentary.

The NBE virus is not contained to Religious content. It also exists in many human ideologies, such as in the environments of education, government, and ethnic institutions to name a few.

These viruses shape the very way the Human Mind perceives the world and it's environment.

The viruses can infect large populations.

Question:

1. Is the Human Mind infected by NBE viruses?
2. How to defend against the NBE viruses?
3. How to treat those who are infected?



1) This is actually not the first time we have this topic on Sciforums .........
information/brainwashing ... working like a computervirus on the human brain ...... infiltrating itīs thinking ... and making them pass on the message to the next generation ..... I still remember a thread about this , here on Sciforums ....... I think from 2005 ........

To some degree you are correct , it doesnīt matter if it is facism, nazism, communism .... any other ism ... or any religion .....

2) Humans are most vulnerable at young age .... " Hitlerjugend, komsomol, religious youthcamps, all children are born muslim " .............before they get more experience and their brain mature ... so if you can protect the young ones ....... you might have a chance ........

3) It actually happens today .......... information, information, information ........... in some cases people actually are taken away from sects , and brainwashed back to society ..........