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TurkishGuy 03-25-05, 09:04 PM Foreword
At midnight August 2, 1492, when Columbus embarked on what would become his most famous expedition to the New World, his fleet departed from the relatively unknown seaport of Palos because the shipping lanes of Cadiz and Seville were clogged with Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain by the Edict of Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand of Spain...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Turkey.html
WildBlueYonder 03-26-05, 11:44 PM Foreword
At midnight August 2, 1492, when Columbus embarked on what would become his most famous expedition to the New World, ...
A History Predating 1492
The history of the Jews in Anatolia started many centuries before the migration of Sephardic Jews.
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The Jewish Community is a very small group in Turkey today, considering that the total population which is 99% Moslem exceeds 57 million. But in spite of their number the Jews have distinguished themselves. There are several Jewish professors teaching at the universities of Istanbul and Ankara, and many Turkish Jews are prominent in business, industry and the liberal professions.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Turkey.html
well, its interesting that you posted a long copy of a site on jewish life under Turkish rule, but what was your purpose? to show that the West is anti-Jewish, while islam is benign?
it would be nice if true, but unfortunately, both cultures have been very descriminating in the worst sense, & Turks have not been angels here, from the Seljuks to the Ottomans, bad, bad, bad, see here:
what Mohammad taught
http://www.islam-qa.com/QA/8%7CManners(Aadaab)/Aadaab_al-Salaam_(manners_of_greeting_with_salaam)/How_should_we_return_the_greeting_of_salaam_from_a _non-Muslim.12121999.6583.shtml
What should we say when greeting by a non-Muslim with: As salaamu 'alaykum?
Praise be to Allaah.
1.It is not permissible – firstly – to initiate the greeting of salaam to a non-Muslim. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not initiate the greeting of salaam to a Jew or a Christian…” (Narrated by Muslim, 2167).
treatment of Jews
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:QgSKrwqM29EJ:www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp%3FARTICLE_ID%3D25982+Dhimmi+jew&hl=en&client=firefox-a
Prior to the prophet, Jews and Arabs did indeed live in relative harmony, but when Mohammed failed to convert the Jews to Islam, our proselytizing prophet of peace exterminated at least one Jewish tribe, etched the Holy Koran with anti-Jewish vitriol, and launched centuries of brutality against Jews.
These reveal a population subject to the whim of the particular Muslim ruler, and the degree to which he was committed to implementing the anti-infidel laws of the Holy Koran and the Charter of Omar.
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Non-muslims in general
http://www.dhimmitude.org/archive/by_lecture_10oct2002.htm
the Christians, formed the majorities in the Mediterranean and Middle Eastern Muslim Empires. Being the targets, along with the Jews, of dhimmitude regulations, Christian chroniclers have left many testimonies ...
Hence, the enunciation of the rules that one reads in abstract legal treaties are confirmed by Christian sources which depict their lethal consequences.
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With Armenians
http://www.armenianhistory.info/genocide.htm
The Turkish Plan.
It is generally accepted that the Armenian Genocide started on April 24, 1915. The Armenians commemorate this date because on April 24, 1915 more than 200 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders were arrested and then murdered in Constantinople. However, the Turkish plan of uprooting the Armenians from their ancestral homeland was masterminded far beforehand. The outbreak of the WWI in 1914 gave the Young Turks the perfect opportunity to solve the Armenian Question.
Hypocricy of Turkish leaders.
In March, 1915 a special decision to exterminate all Armenians throughout the Ottoman Empire was already issued by the Ittihad committee.
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With Greeks
http://iktath.kom.duth.gr/minoriti.htm
Hopes born with the Treaty of Lausanne were buried under the deluge of events wrought by the leaders of the new Turkish State.
In order to infuse the population with a Turkish ethnic consciousness, the followers of Attaturk constructed -using a considerable measure of science fiction - a "Turkish history", renaming Homer as "Omer", "Agamemnon" as "Aga - Memnoun" and the Hittites as "ancient Turks", they constructed a new Turkish language (with 6.000 new words) in order to abolish the mixture of Mongol, Persian, Arabic and Greek words that made up the old Turkish language, ...
and they even resorted to bloodshed in their battle against everything not Turkish, or rather against everything not in keeping with their plans.
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Overdose 03-29-05, 12:00 PM It is funny how you started to talk about Islam and Muhammed just because the person's name is Turkishguy. Hey get this..Turkiye is a real secular country and we don't think about religion every 2 seconds like Americans do.
There is a documentary made by Armenians called "Armenia - A Story of Survival" made by Armenians. Even in that documentary the commentator says that Armenians had their biggest cultural, religious freedom under the Ottoman Rule. Watch it..
Your sources are so biased (especially the Greek one and except the university one) i am not even going to read them..sorry..find better sources
and its not Attaturk...Its ATATURK
everneo 03-30-05, 01:48 AM The wahabi sauds, to have their own kingdom, actively helped breaking the ottoman empire that was more tolerant and secular than most of the islamic / christian empires.
WildBlueYonder 04-06-05, 12:57 AM It is funny how you started to talk about Islam and Muhammed just because the person's name is Turkishguy.
funny, how this guy, just happened to copy & post this favorable article on his country, why? what purpose?
P.S. I'll edit long quotes by friday
Hey get this..Turkiye is a real secular country and we don't think about religion every 2 seconds like Americans do.
the elite may be secular, but the hoi-poli are not; read below:
http://countrystudies.us/turkey/35.htm
Although Turkey was secularized at the official level, religion remained a strong force at the popular level. ...
By their own example of piety, prayer, and political activism, they have helped to spark a revival of Islamic observance in Turkey. By 1994 slogans promising that a return to Islam would cure economic ills . edited
There is a documentary made by Armenians called "Armenia - A Story of Survival" made by Armenians. Even in that documentary the commentator says that Armenians had their biggest cultural, religious freedom under the Ottoman Rule. Watch it..
yep, Goldman sounds like a real ancient Armenian name, & Dukasis must be more ancient, no? read below:
http://www.sfsu.edu/~avitv/avcatalog/11119.htm
AV# 11119
The Armenians: A Story of Survival
Video Cassette - 58 minutes - Color - 2001
The people of Armenia were the first to adopt Christianity as a national religion. ...
the Armenian genocide in 1915 Turkey, the Armenian diaspora and Soviet Armenia. Includes comments by Elie Wiesel (a world renowned armenian), Robert J. Lifton (an unknown armenian), Peter Balakian, Catholicos Karekin II and Robert Kocharian(yep, they be armenian). Written, directed and produced by Andrew Goldberg; narrated Olympia Dukakis.edited
Your sources are so biased (especially the Greek one and except the university one) i am not even going to read them..sorry..find better sources
& your sources would be unbiased?
how would you rate these?
http://www.armeniadiaspora.com/
Los Angeles, April 4, Armenpress:
A Turkish historian Taner Akcam, prominent outside his native country and controversial at home, told a meeting with young Armenians in California, USA, that the government of Turkey must radically revise its policies on Cyprus, the Kurdish problem and the Armenian genocide, to be looked upon by Europeans as a nation that has all rights to join the European Union.
Akcam was the first Turkish historian to arrive in Yerevan five years ago to participate in an international conference dedicated to the 85-th anniversary of the Armenian genocide.
http://www.genocide1915.info/history_chronology.asp?ArmeniaDiaspora.com
http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/arme.e.html
http://www.hr-action.org/armenia/
http://www.armenocide.am/
also:
http://www.fortunecity.com/business/napier/112/id89.htm
On the one hand, it was hoped that it would be possible to inculpate the lttihadist Party leadership as primarily, if not exclusively, responsible for the Armenian massacres, thereby exculpating the rest of the Turkish nation...
The sudden escape from Istanbul on the night of November 1, 1918, of the seven arch leaders of lttihad Party, including the wartime ministers of war, marine, interior, and education, as well as the two top Internal Security and Police officers, exacerbated the situation.edited
and its not Attaturk...Its ATATURK
thanks for the correction
WildBlueYonder 04-06-05, 01:15 AM today marks the day that the first salvo for the Armenian massacre was started by turks
http://www.armeniadiaspora.com/
April 05, 1915
In Marash Turks demand 5,000 jackasses from the Armenians in an excuse to loot.
yep, Goldman sounds like a real ancient Armenian name, & Dukakis must be more ancient, no? read below:
Peter Balakian, Catholicos Karekin II and Robert Kocharian sound pretty Armenian though... and who knows, Goldman and Dukakis could be Armenian on theor mothers' side?
Don't really care to engage in the entire subject except for two comments:
1) Historically Christians have been worse at persecuting Jews than Muslims have. This changed after the creation of Israel in 1948, and the Muslim-Jew relationship deteriorated even further after the six-day-war in 1967. :(
2) The Turks did commit genocide on Armenians. Period. There's really no way anyone should be able to question that. Intriguingly enough it was actually done as the secularised Turkey was created out of the Muslim Ottoman empire though... :confused: You'd think that a secularised society would be more tolerant, but apparently Atatürk was so concerned about not allowing anyone to be anything but Turkish, that the major minorities in Turkey were given devastating blows to crush any opposition based on ethnicity.
Overdose 04-13-05, 01:47 PM Peter Balakian, Catholicos Karekin II and Robert Kocharian sound pretty Armenian though... and who knows, Goldman and Dukakis could be Armenian on theor mothers' side?
Don't really care to engage in the entire subject except for two comments:
1) Historically Christians have been worse at persecuting Jews than Muslims have. This changed after the creation of Israel in 1948, and the Muslim-Jew relationship deteriorated even further after the six-day-war in 1967. :(
2) The Turks did commit genocide on Armenians. Period. There's really no way anyone should be able to question that. Intriguingly enough it was actually done as the secularised Turkey was created out of the Muslim Ottoman empire though... :confused: You'd think that a secularised society would be more tolerant, but apparently Atatürk was so concerned about not allowing anyone to be anything but Turkish, that the major minorities in Turkey were given devastating blows to crush any opposition based on ethnicity.
What are you talking about? Check these dates 1915 and 1923...First have some knowledge about something then shape your opinion...and never say "Period"..be always open to new information.
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