Well, I thought that I would just wait and see how very serious you all were about "health and fitness" before I put this up here.

Now that I have done that, here is a question for all of you flabby muffin - tops: 70 years old, towed 7 boats , each with 10 people on board, with a chain he held in his mouth, all of the way across the San Francisco Bay.

He made it to 96 years old by eating right and working out religiously. 2 & 1/2 hours a day weight training and a 2500 cal/day diet right until the end...from pneumonia. :shrug: go figure. (He did not get the shot, I guess)

Anyways, do any of this science - savvy group bother to try and emulate this health and longevity fanatic? Or are you all just a bunch of couch potatoes?

I am feeling like a freak here. :eek: I grew up with Jack - who invented the "jumping jack" - LaLane. I don't know anyone else who really took him seriously as I did. How's about you, did he inspire you too, or are you just another couch potato?

Well, I thought that I would just wait and see how very serious you all were about "health and fitness" before I put this up here.

Now that I have done that, here is a question for all of you flabby muffin - tops: 70 years old, towed 7 boats , each with 10 people on board, with a chain he held in his mouth, all of the way across the San Francisco Bay.

He made it to 96 years old by eating right and working out religiously. 2 & 1/2 hours a day weight training and a 2500 cal/day diet right until the end...from pneumonia. :shrug: go figure. (He did not get the shot, I guess)

Anyways, do any of this science - savvy group bother to try and emulate this health and longevity fanatic? Or are you all just a bunch of couch potatoes?

I am feeling like a freak here. :eek: I grew up with Jack - who invented the "jumping jack" - LaLane. I don't know anyone else who really took him seriously as I did. How's about you, did he inspire you too, or are you just another couch potato?

Jack was a Great Man . I listened. I exercise. Diet who cares I eat what I want , but that is because of an active day I can . Exercise people , be active . It will raise you out of depressive states of being also. Feel the life , be the life. Animals don't worry about people seeing them jump around having fun doing it . Dance is a great way to get your exercise. Yeah you get to listen to music at the same time too. Out door music and dance now that is the stuff right there . Only music dance out door by the river is better. Now that is the wham bam thank you mam stuff

He made it to 96 years old by eating right and working out religiously. 2 & 1/2 hours a day weight training and a 2500 cal/day diet right until the end...from pneumonia. :shrug: go figure. (He did not get the shot, I guess)


The pneumococcal vaccine does not make you immune to pneumonia, might be why he died. It only prevents pneumonia causd by streptococcus. You can get pneumonia from a virus, aspiration, mechanical ventilators as well, and the vaccine won't do any good for those.

Anyways, do any of this science - savvy group bother to try and emulate this health and longevity fanatic? Or are you all just a bunch of couch potatoes?

I worked in the trades, sunshine fresh air and hard work everyday so I really was fit as a fiddle until my back went out on me then rotator cuff snapped and down hill from then on. I didn't need to do any excercises when i was working but can't do much now but swim and walk a little. :(

Ow Cosmic, that has gotta hurt, sympathies bro.

OK, so that makes 2 of us that exercise regularly huh?

It's taken me ages to get "bike-fit" after my last crash. With all my mangled bones I should be a fat spud, but I don't like being cooped up. My hound has to be walked as well.

Considering that it takes five different chemicals to keep the lungs pried open for it, I'm proud to be able to (mostly) run a mile and a half now.

This is really a first for me.

I alternate that with bicycling, which I only learned to do at 24...when I injured my feet running quite badly and needed some other way to work out.

I try to spend 10-20 minutes curling 10-pound weights, carpal tunnel issues permitting. My arms are no longer round.

There's aerobics involved too. Oh, and yoga, to keep the blown disc and spinal spurs in my back from laying me out....besides that, I like bending myself into impossible-looking poses after workouts...I like the winces I get from people.:D

I guess the eventual goal of all this is to get fit enough to do amateur kickboxing. I want to get in a ring with padding on and try to beat the crap out of people.

A very specialized brand of "Gee, that sounds fun!"

Heh - I did kickboxing for many years, part of my martial arts training. Got to be a PKA fight judge for some time, worked the Tough Man - Tough Woman venue. Watching a couple ladies beat the crap out of each other in the ring changes one's perception of women after a time....

Nobody used any padding though, save for 8 ounce gloves on the hands and 8 ounce pads on the feet.

Ow Cosmic, that has gotta hurt, sympathies bro.


Thanks but it's all part of getting old. Whenever you work with your hands, as they say, it takes allot out of your body over the decades and things just wear out at a faster rate. I enjoyed what I did then but am paying for it now, with interest.:itold:

Anyways, do any of this science - savvy group bother to try and emulate this health and longevity fanatic? Or are you all just a bunch of couch potatoes?I am neither a health and longevity fanatic, nor a couch potato. There are plenty of points in the middle of that spectrum that are perfectly fine, healthy places to be.

In particular, I reject the notion that the primary purpose of life is to prolong itself. We're supposed to accomplish something while we're here that will help maintain and even advance civilization. Along the way we're welcome to have fun.

At 67 I'm hardly an athlete, with a poorly set broken clavicle in 1966 that gives me killer neck aches and makes swimming torture, a torn knee meniscus from 1977 that only flares up for a few weeks every two or three years so I've never had surgery, and my latest achievement, a torn rotator cuff in 2009, and I'm still rehabilitating from that surgery. The clavicle and meniscus are from having an insane amount of fun riding motorcycles. The rotator is from an embarrassingly ignominious fall on a rainy sidewalk.

Nonetheless I go to the gym three times a week and work out on quite a few of the weight machines (especially the ones that exercise the rotator cuff) as well getting 30 minutes of aerobics on the treadmill. I also walk a lot.

I'm not a fanatic about health food because it tastes terrible and I was raised on candy and cookies. But I've never dieted so my body has never panicked and gone into famine-protection mode, therefore I'm never more than ten pounds overweight even though I eat like a much larger species of mammal. I eat very little salt since my wife doesn't use it in cooking and I'm not used to the taste. Since she's also a chocolatiere I have no taste for junk food and therefore I eat few or no transfats. I get plenty of vitamins and minerals, both in salads and fruits and in supplements. They also provide so much fiber that, as Steve Goodman sang: "I'm a regular fellow."

Other than that, I have a job I enjoy and am good at, a wonderful wife (who unfortunately is currently on the opposite side of the country due to said job), friends I have fun with, a bunch of dogs I love, a local go club, a bass guitar that I play in a rock band, and on top of all that I'm in the Washington DC area where there's something absolutely splendid to go out and do every night and every weekend.

My life is sweet. Maybe I'll die tomorrow but I'll die happy. Especially since I've never spent a single birthday towing boats with my teeth.

I am neither a health and longevity fanatic, nor a couch potato. There are plenty of points in the middle of that spectrum that are perfectly fine, healthy places to be.

In particular, I reject the notion that the primary purpose of life is to prolong itself. We're supposed to accomplish something while we're here that will help maintain and even advance civilization. Along the way we're welcome to have fun.

At 67 I'm hardly an athlete, with a poorly set broken clavicle in 1966 that gives me killer neck aches and makes swimming torture, a torn knee meniscus from 1977 that only flares up for a few weeks every two or three years so I've never had surgery, and my latest achievement, a torn rotator cuff in 2009, and I'm still rehabilitating from that surgery. The clavicle and meniscus are from having an insane amount of fun riding motorcycles. The rotator is from an embarrassingly ignominious fall on a rainy sidewalk.

Nonetheless I go to the gym three times a week and work out on quite a few of the weight machines (especially the ones that exercise the rotator cuff) as well getting 30 minutes of aerobics on the treadmill. I also walk a lot.

I'm not a fanatic about health food because it tastes terrible and I was raised on candy and cookies. But I've never dieted so my body has never panicked and gone into famine-protection mode, therefore I'm never more than ten pounds overweight even though I eat like a much larger species of mammal. I eat very little salt since my wife doesn't use it in cooking and I'm not used to the taste. Since she's also a chocolatiere I have no taste for junk food and therefore I eat few or no transfats. I get plenty of vitamins and minerals, both in salads and fruits and in supplements. They also provide so much fiber that, as Steve Goodman sang: "I'm a regular fellow."

Other than that, I have a job I enjoy and am good at, a wonderful wife (who unfortunately is currently on the opposite side of the country due to said job), friends I have fun with, a bunch of dogs I love, a local go club, a bass guitar that I play in a rock band, and on top of all that I'm in the Washington DC area where there's something absolutely splendid to go out and do every night and every weekend.

My life is sweet. Maybe I'll die tomorrow but I'll die happy. Especially since I've never spent a single birthday towing boats with my teeth.

Dude the American dream, ain't it sweet !!! Play guitar because we like to. Rock and roll will never die

I tore the meniscus in my knee from a kick - start slip - through due to a worn transmission gear in my 1946 ULA Flat - Head 80" HD in 1973. I re - tore it kickboxing in '76 and most recently a year and a half back hauling myself up on a horse saddle.

I have the arthritis from manual labour too, but it hasn't stopped me doing that. :)

Never towed the boats either, but then, I haven't yet turned 70. Maybe I will feel more up to it then.

Heh - I did kickboxing for many years, part of my martial arts training. Got to be a PKA fight judge for some time, worked the Tough Man - Tough Woman venue. Watching a couple ladies beat the crap out of each other in the ring changes one's perception of women after a time....

Nobody used any padding though, save for 8 ounce gloves on the hands and 8 ounce pads on the feet.

I have no insurance, and get discount medical care through the county-which sucks...so I really don't want any major bone breakage and/or (any more) broken teeth. So that's why for the padding.

Soft tissue stuff you ice it up, suck it up, work it out, but I have no guarantee any bone breaks are going to get fixed competently. So I want to avoid that.
Plus my one severely chipped tooth cost me $110 at the ghetto dentist.

Ow. I am going in for the second surgery to address a tooth I had removed a while back this Friday. It will run me about $4000 total when the dust clears to replace that molar, but I really miss it and want it replaced.

It will run me about $4000 total when the dust clears to replace that molar
Yikes!
I haven't spent $4k on anything in my entire life, not all at once. Certainly never owned a vehicle worth that much.

Well, I am 'older' and have been at it for quite some time. While I was once homeless and broke, I worked my way up and out of that many years ago. While I am not wealthy, I save my earnings as best I can and hope that I spend wisely.

Always took good care of myself, so this is the only tooth I have ever "lost". This due to an unremoved impacted wisdom tooth that was lying dormant until I hit 57 when it restarted growing in for some reason, broke through the gum and immediately abscessed. Since it was 90 degrees from where it should be, it was pushing against the next tooth in. When I had it removed, it left a big hole that did not fill in, even with a bone graft, so the last molar got wobbly such that it had to go too.

I had that done, got another bone graft and decided to get an implant rather than wear a bridge, thus the cost. The implant is permanent though, and will require no special treatment or care. That makes it worth the price IMHO.

Oh-if you can afford implants they are absolutely worth the $$$ They are probably better than factory original!

Never towed the boats either, but then, I haven't yet turned 70. Maybe I will feel more up to it then.Hey, I'm only 2 1/2 years away from that. The closer it gets, the more emphatically certain I am that I am never going to want to do it.
Ow. I am going in for the second surgery to address a tooth I had removed a while back this Friday. It will run me about $4000 total when the dust clears to replace that molar, but I really miss it and want it replaced.I'm in the middle of an implant process. Old tooth is out, implant is in. Now we're waiting for the bone to grow in and hold the implant solid. In a few months the oral surgeon sends me back to the dentist and he builds the crown. My bill is $5K but fortunately I've got two dental insurance policies. By spreading it over two calendar years I've kept my own part of it affordable.
Oh-if you can afford implants they are absolutely worth the $$$ They are probably better than factory original!One of my old college buddies had to have all of his teeth removed when he was about 20. He went around with a full set of choppers for decades. Finally they invented implants and he got a whole mouth full and he's ecstatic. I haven't talked to him about what it was like to go through. You don't have to get 28 implants because the artificial teeth come in blocks, but you need something like sixteen of 'em to be good solid anchors.

All the irrigating I've been doing of my sinuses...well some of it's involved corticosteroids. Even though I've been careful to always brush after irrigating,this seems to have done a number on my teeth, which were in good shape.
Now-I'm seeing cavities.:(Grr.
So it's time to return to the ghetto dentist and get what work I can afford done as I can afford it.
A cleaning first, then road-patch and a coating.

Working-out really is good for you, it just takes about a month to really get off the ground with it, and I think the couch potatoes don't necessarily realize if they just bear with it for the first month, they will feel SOO much better.

...I'm in the middle of an implant process. Old tooth is out, implant is in. Now we're waiting for the bone to grow in and hold the implant solid. In a few months the oral surgeon sends me back to the dentist and he builds the crown. My bill is $5K but fortunately I've got two dental insurance policies. By spreading it over two calendar years I've kept my own part of it affordable...

I am right there with you, Frag - I go in tomorrow at 9 AM to get the titanium post base implant put in, had the initial bone graft done in Dec, will get the crown in June or July. Puppy is going to get a short one in the AM tomorrow, so I guess I had better give her a serious run this morning. The surgeon has a model of a whole set of replacement teeth done thusly - there are 4 posts in the top and 4 in the bottom to hold the implant plates.

I also do the daily sinus irrigation Chimpi. Had about 10 grand worth of surgery on them about 15 years ago. I had chronic sinusitis for maybe 3 years, then it got acute. The surgeon told me waiting 2 more weeks would have killed me as the infection was eating away at my skull at the top of the sinus under my right eye. All of the osta on that side had shut due to swelling and then sealed over so the pus had nowhere to go. :( One look at the MRI and I knew I was toast.

I was on Nasonex for a couple of years until I got the nose bleed side effect. It lasted 24 hours before I went to hospital for it, lost a lot of blood. I quit taking the Nasonex after that. Allergies are still terrible, but otherwise I am OK.

I had chronic sinusitis for maybe 3 years, then it got acute. The surgeon told me waiting 2 more weeks would have killed me as the infection was eating away at my skull at the top of the sinus under my right eye.

It wouldn't have necessarily killed you, you would have just gotten a brain infection and skull perforation...possibly some permanent brain damage, but, provided the infection was treatable by antibiotics...you would have likely lived...

I've been sick since '02 myself, and there's a serious issue of resistance at this point-as in pretty much most antibiotics have been used, and not killed the infection.

The second surgery has unofficially not taken-now I just have to convince the county people of that. They think I'm doing fine, because I irrigate with a dental irrigator.
I either irrigate with steroids once a day, along with nasal spray steroids, or the green stuff does not drain...which says to me they didn't take enough out.

My vote is that they just obliterate my frontals and stop screwing around.

The surgeon mentioned bacterial meningitis and facial gangrene, surgery took almost 4 hours. Glad I got it done though, as the antibiotics were killing me.

I use an infant ear cleaning syringe - the blue bulb thing - and saline every day, several times a day in allergy season. It helps a lot.