http://members.rogers.com/babytm/KerryPETA.jpg

kerry (http://kerrysloganator.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=23) could solve all the world's problems
he'd solve (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/KerryIran.jpg) all the issues with Iran,
he'll patch up things (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/KerryFrance.jpg) with France
he is a decorated war hero (http://kerrysloganator.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=81) who participated in the Vietnam campaign (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/KerryFonda.jpg),
and he has good plans (http://kerrysloganator.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=42) for the future (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/KerryPlane.jpg) ! (http://kerrysloganator.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=79)

those who are considering to vote for kerry, are you really voting for kerry or against bush?

"these are my principles. if you don't like them, i have others" - John Kerry (well, these are his actions, not his words)

I'm into bush but not that kind. I'm just gonna write myself in so my vote is counted and not for President Bu**sh**.

why would people vote for kerry?
what are his policies? how are they going to benefit the US (first and foremost) and the world (should be 2nd)?

i just don't see this guy as a leader

What his policies are is not even an issue as they will change if he's elected. You seem to be suggesting this yourself. Every politician's does.

As far as being a leader, I think the contest is for figurehead. Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain.

"I backstabbed my War buddies" Kerry.

He can rot in Hell.

What his policies are is not even an issue as they will change if he's elected.
so you'd rather to vote for ambiguity and uncertainty rather than what Bush is offering
i guess you belong to the Anybody But Bush campaign team (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/KhameneiBush.jpg) (the whole roster will be presented shortly)

Every politician's does.
no, not every politician
Bush has policies, ideals, and principles
and he sticks to them
Viet Cong Kerry (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/KerryYo.jpg) on the otherhand...

What is Bush offering now? Four more years of war? Seriously inform me for I am not so arrogant as to deny my ignorance.

And thanks for the pigeonhole. I feel such a warm sense of belonging.

Look pothead, I'm far from being a Kerry devotee but it does leave me wondering when I see people rely on doctored graphics and misquotes to make what falls short of a point. I'm trying to have fun so I prefer viewing actual Bush quotes. They're much more entertaining than photoshop hack ups.

Besides aren't you a pasty from the northland? Or are you just lost up there? I thought Canadians were supposed to be easy-going. I know potheads are.

One last note and I'll leave you to your rant. I like uncertainty. It's a spice of life. I am seldom certain. Steadfast convictions and simplistic ideals are the folly of youth and I'm no longer young.

thanks for the pigeonhole. I feel such a warm sense of belonging.
i wasn't attacking you man. welcome to the board, seriously. i was "pigeonholing" the zombie kerryists in general

people rely on doctored graphics and misquotes to make what falls short of a point
it's just satire man. but it's not piontless is it? it's only a funny way of saying very not funny things.

Bush quotes. They're much more entertaining than photoshop hack ups.
agreed. he's a dyslexic. but he is not admired for his Bushisms, is he?

I thought Canadians were supposed to be easy-going. I know potheads are.
hey, i'm easy going :D... and i'm not a pothead [anymore]

I like uncertainty. It's a spice of life.
there are things called "policies" and "plans"
do you know what they mean?

if i were a US citizen, i'd like to know what the f*ck my president is going to do about health care, economy, education, and national security
as spicy as uncertainty is, i'd just like to know my president's plans and policies.

Yes, almost anyone but Bush could do a better job. Kerry plays politics, but what the hell, you can't get elected if you don't. Nader doesn't have a chance. At least the right-wing christian fundie wackos will go back to the bible-belt, and stop interfering with our civil rights. They are the Big Brother we were warned about, they want to control what we see on TV, what we hear on the radio, what women do with their bodies, ban stem cell research, crack down on pot, strip our forests, drill Alaska for oil, pollute the air, wage endless war, monitor your private activities... did I miss something? Bush showed himself to be a complete moron before 9/11, he couldn't put a complete sentence together. Then he mislead us about WMD's, for that he should be impeached.

As far as Kerry's record in Vietnam, he didn't backstab anyone, he fought alongside everyone else, and then tried to save more of America's young men from the horror by opposing the war. No vet needs people to support an unjust war for the sake of pride.

As far as PETA, there are many things that could be done to ensure more humane treatment of livestock short of banning meat altogether. Meat eaters can support PETA if they think eating animals is ethical.

Thanks for the welcome.

Seriously? I never had a plan in my life. And I don't live by policies. I live by compromise.

Errrr Spider, its a matter of public record that Kerry lied his ass off to Congress. He slandered the hell out of his fellow solders.
Do we need to get into the "did the protests extend the war?" debate?

What did he lie about? How did he slander his fellow soldiers? I think Vietnam was worth protesting, but at least Kerry found out the hard way.

http://members.rogers.com/babytm/KerrySlogan.jpg

Who else is in the "Anybody (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/KerryCard.jpg) But (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/KerryCard2.jpg) Bush (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/KerryCard3.jpg)" campaign team?

* Malaysia's former prime minister (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/MahathirBush.jpg), mister "I think Kerry would be much more willing to listen to the voices of people (http://img2.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Badfish1060/sadam.JPG)".

* the most prominent members (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/FGBush.jpg) of the axis-of-weasel, who'd rather keep dealing with Saddam, selling him cars, building palaces for him, and selling him weapons (http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-3-2003_pg4_3)

* the representative of the Iraqis (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/SadrBush.jpg)

* the kind father (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/MubarakBush.jpg) who's got indigestion (http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20031201-091400-9018r.htm) because the imperialists are unhappy with his plan to appoint his son as the new president

* the corageous jiziya (http://www.bharatvani.org/books/jihad/app2.htm)-paying dhimmi (http://www.dhimmitude.org/) bull-fighter (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/ZapateroBush.jpg)

* the local neighbourhood lunatic (http://members.rogers.com/babytm/KimBush.jpg) with a very itchy (http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2004/200403/news03/17.htm#8) red-button index finger

there are just so many supporters out there... looks like Bush is completely on his own

oh yeah..
how could i forget:

http://www.smolanim.com/cartoons/arafatschances.jpg

because Afatrat hasn't earned US trust (http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/04/05/bush.interview/)

otheadp, fer rea...

Could you please enlighten me without the use of cheesy graphics, cut-and-paste references or links that speak for you: What is your take on Saddam Hussein's history with america and what exactly are Bush's policies? Also if you could politely inform me as to how they've improved my life from what it was before he took office I would be most appreciative.

See, I'm an ignorant product of the failing american education system and I need exposure to those worldly veiws as seen through the Canadian lense or the Israeli bias such as your own.

But above all... stay frosty :p

PS: Guess I can't leave people to mindless rants but that isn't what your lookin' for anyway.

Lets see Kerry voted for the war in Iraq just as the President asked for. Kerry voted for sending more money to rebuild Iraq just as the President asked for, Kerry wanted to use the United Nations in order to resolve the conflict with Iraq just as Bush tried to do but the UN failed to act.

So where's the big difference when it comes to Iraq betwen Bush and Kerry? Bush has made commitmrnts to Iraq for the next year at least and into 2 more years that whoever got into the White House would have to follow through upon.

The Economy is doing fine, the unemployment rate is going down and real estate is at an all time high in many communities. So what can Kerry do to make it any better than it is? I don't hear anything from him that would make me want to lean his way as yet. I'm waiting to hear something that Kerry will do that would be better than it is.

The imperative is to remove the shadowy neoconservative cabal that is furtively controlling the Presidency with a radical agenda that has been implemented without any semblance of democratic consideration or debate.

Kerry is not a particularly promising leader, but the US is in the process of shaking off an only partially-glimpsed junta that has underhandedly placed us on a disastrous trajectory. We're doing the best we can with a very unwieldy system of selecting leadership that is powerfully manipulated by special interests, and our alloted alternative is far from ideal. At least we can still participate as voters with some hope against hope that there remains a semblance of popular control as was intended at the founding of this nation.

If this doesn't work, I personally have had enough of war. So, I've reluctantly prepared my personal alternative (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=20288).

So you really think that Kerry doesn't have special interest groups backing him as well? They all have big corporations putting money into their campaigns let us never forget that fact.

"I backstabbed my War buddies" Kerry.

He can rot in Hell.
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Kerry exposed thugs and murderers in the US military while in Vietnam.
Shall we hang him for this? :rolleyes:

You can't massacre 1.4M people as we did in Vietnam and go to heaven, bubba! :D

see: WWW.ToledoBlade.com

Re: 101st Airborne Tiger Division's Vietnam atrocities.

S' matter have you fallen for the lie that the US doesn't commit atrocities in war?

The recognized policies and practices of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights "rarely" leave the US borders. "Out there in the bush" we're as predatory as the rest of the world's Ariel Sharon's and Pol Plots. :mad:

Note: Remember, Panama and the kidnapping of Noriega by the US?
6,000 massacred civlians in the process and not a "peep" from people like you.

Whirlwind.....

whirlwind,
is there any way to fight a war without atrocities?
war is one big atrocity. there's no non-atrocious way of killing somebody
and those things you self-hater so upset about, whatever the US did (which is not to say it was right), is not any more atrocious than others have done.
why hold yourself to a higher standard? (well, US does so anyway, although it's not a saint)

war IS war.

but back to Kerry
he's just a stooge
he was a communist mouth piece in the heart of the United States
what more could the enemy ask for?

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jinchila
What is your take on Saddam Hussein's history with america and what exactly are Bush's policies? Also if you could politely inform me as to how they've improved my life from what it was before he took office I would be most appreciative.
i went over this so many times already... but i like you so i'll go over it again... altho briefly
* Saddam was America's darling.
* then he stopped being her darling
* then he became a big asshole
* then he became a huge strategic problem on so many fronts
* Bush's policies are about taking action instead of taking the "let's wait and see" approach
* how his policies have improved your life... well, i'm not sure. it's long term policies. ask me again in 5 years when Iraq is stable (i hope). let's just say i'm happy that him, and not Kerry, Republicans, not Democrats, were in power when 9/11 happened

Well, that was brief. But fair enough. I've tried to check peoples previous posts for relvant statements but with almost 1,700 to your credit, that's a lot of... posts... to wade through. So I've given up. Thanks for the effort though.

Keep manning that trench!

lol
will do!

but while i'm on my break, KERRY FOR PRESIDENT!

"I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command...."

"They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, ******** food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

"We are also here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? We are here to ask where are McNamara, Rostow, Bundy, Gilpatric, and so many others. Where are they now that we, the men whom they sent off to war, have returned? These are commanders who have deserted their troops, and there is no more serious crime in the law of war. The Army says they never leave their wounded. The Marines say they never leave even their dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They have left the real stuff of their reputations bleaching begin them in the sun in this country...."

JOHN KERRY'S TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE, APRIL 22, 1971

It turned out most of the 150 'veterans' that Kerry talks about didnt even serve. Kerry is a Lying Sack.

otheadp, you flip-flop!

Two can play at that game: FOUR MORE FOR BUSH!

crazy... mmmm, 151. A lying politician? Now I've heard it all!

"How can you shoot women and children?"

"Easy, you just don't lead 'em as much."

Crazy, he was right:
from here (http://mondediplo.com/2000/04/15vietnam)
As a way of bearing witness to the lies being spread by the media, 125 of them[vietnam vets] - who are not trouble-makers or deserters, and who have a fair spread of medals between them - meet in Detroit in February 1971. A group of New York film-makers decides to film the event, which was boycotted by the mainstream media. They shot 36 hours of film, which were then edited down to produce Winter Soldier.

What you see is these former soldiers, men who had once been proud to fight for their country, explaining the brainwashing to which they had been subjected in training camps, where they were taught to stifle their moral consciences and release their instincts of aggression. They recount the horrors that they committed once they had been turned into robots: rape, torture, villages burned, summary executions, shooting of children, prisoners thrown out of helicopters, cutting off ears (of people both alive and dead) and trading them for cans of beer
At least 125 Vietnam vets thought their experiences of atrocities important enough to make a documentary film about it. I would not call 125 out of 150 "most". Why don't you rent the movie "Winter Soldier" and see if you believe them. Far from lying about it, he was probably too conservative.

Anyway, Kerry was talking about the sworn testamony of Vietnam vets. If, for some strange reason, some of them did not even serve, then THEY were lying, not Kerry.

I have read elsewhere that most of them were fakes.
Brainwashing in training? Turned into Robots? *sigh*
Kerry's Testimony labeled all soldeirs as a bunch of sick "robots" who went around mutilating people and that is Bull.
Maybe thats why vets were getting spit on when they came home.

Not all soldiers, after all, he was one, too, and was wounded for his trouble. I think that gives him some credibility on this issue. The fact is, atrocities were committed in Vietnam, and it was all for nothing. It was a war with the soviets by proxy, a big show to scare the communists. North Vietnam is communist now, and no one cares.

The fact is, atrocities were committed in Vietnam, and it was all for nothing. It was a war with the soviets by proxy, a big show to scare the communists. North Vietnam is communist now, and no one cares.

I will agree with you on that.

Every politician's does.
no, not every politician
Bush has policies, ideals, and principles
and he sticks to them

If you review Bush's policies you'll see that he sticks to sod all:

- lets reduce CO2 emissions. Or not.
- cut mercury in drinking water. Or not.
- I support free trade. However, I like steel tarrifs(midterms), lamb tarriffs, timber. Wait a sec, I DON'T like steel tarrifs(elections, crucial states pissed). I however, do support the Foreign Sales Corporation tax, even though the WTO ruled it illegal. Cotton. Chinese clothing.

- Didn't stay the course in Afghanistan.

- Doesn't support 9/11 inquiry. Until the heat gets too much.
- Ditto WMD inquiry. And then makes them report back in the next year. This is pretty thematic of his presidency.

- Gay marriage is for the states to sort out. Unless it's an election year. In which case I'll promise to change the constitution because I think its a vote winner.

- Medical marijuana is a state-level issue. You know the story...

- WMD. Countless examples of bullshit, flip-flop, backtrack, revisionism and principles. eg. Patroit Bush and the Mobile Labs of Death.
"And we'll find more weapons as time goes on, But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them."
Except that we can't find the accompanying units that would be required and they could have been used to make helium for weather balloons.

- Abortion. Said once that it was a women's choice. Or not.

- A second vote from the UN Security Counsel. Or not.

- 10 billion dollars to fight AIDS in Africa over five years. But 550 millon is still alot.

Both Bush and Kerry have changed their stance on a number of issues. Kerry's excuse is that alot can change in the twenty years he's been a senator. What's Bush's excuse?



but back to Kerry
he's just a stooge
he was a communist mouth piece in the heart of the United States
what more could the enemy ask for?"

The enemy(presumably Islamic fundamentalists) want a communist moouthpiece in the heart of the US? I put it to you they want a warmongering cowboy to incite hatred among Muslims and so further support for their cause.