Here is a story I found about Afghanistan. It shows you the torture that those people go thru...the story was written before the American Crisis happened. It may actually make you sick to read, but it is the story of a Communist Afghani journalist and how he is captured by the Taliban and tortured for years before he got sanctuary in Pakistan, then later in the US.

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/issues/2000-08-09/feature.html/page1.html

It will definately open your eyes to what goes on there on an everyday basis. We need to find a way to protect all the innocent people over there. Check out Amnesty's site too. I now thank God every day for blessing me with American citizenship.

Yep, that's very ugly, and it gives motion to an idea: Afghan would make a good training ground for our green troops. I can see a weekly rotation of troops that would introduced them to the horrors of war, a means of conditioning their minds and honing their skills for the future. We could send them in there with the Northern Alliance and let them get dirty without committing ourselves to an all-out occupation. This really is an opportunity for our military.

Good idea Bowser!

Nothing like a bit of live target practice to get the old juices flowing. Maybe we could arrange hunting expeditions as well - a couple of Texans, a six pack and a rifle adds up to one good ol' time!

While we're at it, we could use any captured Afghans for scientific experimentation (they're not human after all) - think of the lives we could save! The possibilities are endless. You've hit a rich seam here...

Serious, CC, we have there a population whose pastime favorite is fighting and death. Here, we have a nation which is preparing for war and is not accustom to such things. I see Afghanistan as being an opportunity to season our troops for future conflicts. Sending troops in to bolster the Northern Aliance during battle would bring down the Taliban, and the experience and knowledge would prove useful in the near future. I understand that it sounds cold (it is very icy.), but it is very practical too, and it would serve us well.

Our military should take advantage of the opportunity.

Firstly,I am sure that the majority of muslims condemn the recent terrorist attacks on America.I have read many of the texts in this site and I felt it necessary to write some words:

It is not surprising why so many people in the middle east and other countries worldwide have apathy towards Osama Bin laden even though they know he is a terrorist.
It is not because all of these people are terrorists.The main reason is that these people have realized for sure that the big powers and you! the well-off people of the west think of nothing but your own comfort and welfare,even to the price of massacres and poverty of the other people,which you call the third world or so(what is this third world term!aren't all of us living in just one world?)
They know that many of you look at them just as some experiment animals or cows to milk.They have realized at last that your democracy and human rights works just as long as they do not counter your interests.
I don't know how you can claim the right to speak of these people as non-humans.They are as much a human being as you are. the only difference is that they have life-long suffered the pains loadened on them by the wealthy countries and their puppets.

You say Osama is a terrorist ,I agree to it 100%.But what is terrorism?killing of innocent people?have you ever bothered yourself to think of the hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed by Americas nuclear bombs.Let me put it in numericals: About 200,000 people were killed in Hiroshima nad Nakazaki.It is not ants or bugs we are speaking about,they were human beings like you and me.Or maybe you think they were they non-human as you think of the people of Afghanistan?Can you say we killed them for the benefit of the world.?Isn't it time to pinch ourselves before punching the others.what is justice?

I am horrified to see that you can so calmly speak of killing human beings or making experiments on them It is good to know that the same country that you say is a good training land for your troops,was once announced a hero by your media when its brave people saved you and the like of you of the threat of the red army.But the west didn't fullfill its conscientious duty towards this people and pushed them into the hands of pakistani colonists.

Afghanistan may be a good experiment land but so far all of the experimentors who dared to enter it,have had great frustrations.
There is a stable rule of God(Allah):A nation's glory will last as far as it exercises justice,so be just to have a lasting glory.

I suppose that I should have narrowed my intent down to the Taliban and its fellows, my assumption being that most civilian Afghans are not armed and ready to fight. As for the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...those two acts of WAR saved thousands of American lives that otherwise would have been lost trying to invade the island. They (the Japenese) were once fanatics too?

I would like to say that Afghanistan knew war before the Americans got involved. You would be deceiving only yourself to think that in 300 years of civil war civilian casualities are only happening now.

I saw a documentary, actually it was like an undercover BBC report one week before the destruction of the WTC. The Taliban kills childrens' parents in front of them and leaves them to fend for themselves. They come in during a soccer game at a stadium where the money came from aid and have executions for people against the Taliban. The afghan people live in fear.

Even an Afghanistanian friend of mine a couple of years ago showed me a picture of his city(Kabul) about 55 metres in the air looking down at a 35-40 degree angle. It looked exactly like my city where I live, had tall office buildings except behind it was just all rubble from war. This was before America got involved.

He disliked war and sent home money to his mother still in Afghanistan. I didn't realize at the time just how his mum would have been living.


While we're at it, we could use any captured Afghans for scientific experimentation (they're not human after all) - think of the lives we could save!

My friend was human, the Taliban are not. And now I wonder if you are.


have you ever bothered yourself to think of the hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed by Americas nuclear bombs.Let me put it in numericals: About 200,000 people were killed in Hiroshima nad Nakazaki.

You would rather the alternative. Our women raped? Our men either worked to death or put a sword through? They did horific things my family I am thankful to the Americans. In primary school everyone in our class made 1000 origami cranes(a bird) to say sorry to the japanese, except me. We were taught not of victory but of sorrow. What maniacs we have running the shool system. People lost their lives to fight these imbosiles. I don't have anything against the Japanese people of today, they are very friendly. But before those bombs went off they had no regard for us or our humanity. Ask the people who died and suffered during WWII at the hands of Japanese. Many lives of good people were saved as a result.

[quote]As for the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...those two acts of WAR saved thousands of American lives that otherwise would have been lost trying to invade the island.[quote]

Saved the invasion of one island(Australia) for another.

Bowser


I suppose that I should have narrowed my intent down to the Taliban and its fellows, my assumption being that most civilian Afghans are not armed and ready to fight. As for the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...those two acts of WAR saved thousands of American lives that otherwise would have been lost trying to invade the island. They (the Japenese) were once fanatics too?

thanks for revision,generalization brings generalization.

As for the second part,there is not such a thing as good terrorism and bad terrorism.Human conscience can by no means accept killing a quarter million of innocent men,women and children for the possible saving of some lives.You and Deadwood are unconsciously backing terrorism in fact.I have tried again and again to find a global definition for terrorism and this is the best I found:killing of the innocent.So I can put no name on the hyper-massacres of the WWII but terrorism(some may call it war crime or genocide but these are all terrorism).I am not trying to defend the atrocities that japanese soldiers committed during that war and before it,crime is crime,the doers be Japanese,Americans or else.Yet you have to draw a line between the murderer and the innocent otherwise you can not expect others to do it. Anyway I am not going to dispute over this case anymore cause it is as clear as daylight.





My friend was human, the Taliban are not. And now I wonder if you are.

You need not tell me about unhumanities that taliban made.I have heard and watched thousands of cases and some of friends have suffered it.I am not an idiot.I do hate taliban and every cruel torturer of the kind,you have just heard but I have seen and sufferred.I do not think you are the person to judge if I am a human or not,it exceeds your knowledge and horizon.



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Every action has a reaction equal to it and in the opposite direction.

<i>"Anyway I am not going to dispute over this case anymore cause it is as clear as daylight."</i>

Well, we are talking of war. It should be very clear. We used a weapon to end--not start--a war. Can you see the difference?

Well, we are talking of war. It should be very clear. We used a weapon to end--not start--a war. Can you see the difference?

well,there is a special word for such a reaoning:sophistry


refer to my previous words:"there is not such a thing as good terrorism and bad terrorism.Human conscience can by no means accept killing a quarter million of innocent men,women and children."

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"Are those who know equal to those who do not know?" Qur'an

Hmm, your reasoning would have sacrifice thousands of American and alied lives for those of the enemy. What was the word you used? <i>Sophistry</i>?

<i>"Human conscience can by no means accept killing a quarter million of innocent men,women and children."</i>


You need to reevaluate human history, Chuuush.