View Full Version : Man shoots wife while installing satellite TV system


cosmictraveler
03-27-08, 10:07 AM
SEDALIA, MO. (AP) -- Officials are trying to decide whether to file charges against a Missouri man who fatally shot his wife while trying to install a satellite TV system in their home.

Thirty-four-year-old Patsy Long of Deep Water was pronounced dead Saturday evening after being shot in the chest with a .22-caliber handgun. Her husband, Ronald Long, fired the shot from the inside of their home after several unsuccessful efforts to punch a hole through the exterior wall using other means.

Henry County Sheriff's Deputies say the woman was hit by the second of two shots fired by her husband. :eek: :bugeye::shrug:



http://www.khqa.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=112401

clusteringflux
03-27-08, 10:48 AM
I'm thinking she heard the first shot and went to look at it not knowing he would discharge the riffle again.

The first comment on the link made me laugh and I felt bad.

phlogistician
03-27-08, 11:35 AM
Ah, the old saying is so apt, ...

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like nails".

Tiassa
03-27-08, 05:39 PM
See, this is one of those things ... "Officials are trying to decide whether to file charges ..."?

I think the only question is which charges to file.

wsionynw
03-27-08, 05:48 PM
Oops.

clusteringflux
03-27-08, 06:20 PM
See, this is one of those things ... "Officials are trying to decide whether to file charges ..."?

I think the only question is which charges to file.

what if she was standing too close and drilled into her chest instead of shooting her? Would you feel the same way?

What if he shot her with a nail gun on accident. Those things wil go through two 2x4s and could kill you easily.

What would you charge him with, being a stupid ass or getting maried to one?

See, this is where natural selection makes sense to me but I just say it's god rooting out the dumb ones.

original
03-27-08, 06:21 PM
Incompetence. He had trouble putting a hole in his wall to accommodate wires for his satellite television setup, so his solution is a handgun? I want to know what other tools he tried using beforehand, what he was trying to drill through, and why he decided that his .22 caliber handgun would do the job. A .22 caliber bullet is fairly small, similar to the diameter of a standard pencil. There are more safe and sound tools to use anyways. Yet this brilliant man decides to fire TWO shots?

Orleander
03-27-08, 06:25 PM
I'm surprised no one thought I was that wife. LOL She was Collateral Damage from a future Darwin Award winner.
Haven't you ever heard of men using the butt of their gun as a hammer?

clusteringflux
03-27-08, 06:29 PM
I'm surprised no one thought I was that wife. LOL She was Collateral Damage from a future Darwin Award winner.
Haven't you ever heard of men using the butt of their gun as a hammer?

Orleander?

Orleander
03-27-08, 06:31 PM
sshhhh. I'm in stealth mode.
;)

Tiassa
03-27-08, 06:47 PM
what if she was standing too close and drilled into her chest instead of shooting her? Would you feel the same way?

What if he shot her with a nail gun on accident. Those things wil go through two 2x4s and could kill you easily.

So when you're using a dangerous tool, you have no obligation whatsoever to make sure you're not endangering anyone else with it?

Some excuse.


What would you charge him with, being a stupid ass or getting maried to one?

Well, in that jurisdiction, it's apparently manslaughter. Fine with me. Maybe a jury of his peers will agree with you and rule that in discharging a firearm a shooter has no obligation to public safety. Not guilty, all good. Right?


See, this is where natural selection makes sense to me but I just say it's god rooting out the dumb ones.

Welcome to America. Even the stupid are included by the Equal Protection Clause. Although, if you really want to excuse this chap, point out that the victim was a woman. Because women have never really been protected under the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

original
03-27-08, 07:59 PM
I have heard of people that use handguns as hammers, but I think it's just as trivial as using a handgun as a drill. This guy probably lived in proximity to a hardware store. If you were in a situation where you couldn't wait to acquire the proper tools, then it might make sense to start smashing things together where it's needed. Not in this case though.

Xelios
03-27-08, 08:58 PM
what if she was standing too close and drilled into her chest instead of shooting her? Would you feel the same way?

What if he shot her with a nail gun on accident. Those things wil go through two 2x4s and could kill you easily.
What if some bystander walking his dog was killed by this bullet, instead of his wife. It's pretty obvious charges would be involved in that situation, I don't see how this is any different.

clusteringflux
03-27-08, 09:12 PM
Tiassa, if you make a bad decision and pull out in front of a truck and your spouse dies,should you be charged for killing them? I can se it if her family pressed the issue but this guys prolly on suicide watch, anyway.

sowhatifit'sdark
03-27-08, 09:12 PM
what if she was standing too close and drilled into her chest instead of shooting her? Would you feel the same way?

What if he shot her with a nail gun on accident. Those things wil go through two 2x4s and could kill you easily.

What would you charge him with, being a stupid ass or getting maried to one?

See, this is where natural selection makes sense to me but I just say it's god rooting out the dumb ones.
I suppose you mean she was dumb for marrying him. Yes, I think with the nail gun he should be charged. Reckless endangerment. With a handgun absolutely. He is dangerously stupid, at the very least. Someone inexperienced with a nail gun might not realize 1) how dangerous they are and 2) they have some range. Any idiot has seen some TV and realizes that guns 1) are dangerous and 2) have range. He should be charged. The fact that a gun is intended to be a weapon reduces claims of ignorance.

And if you don't think so, I will move in next door to you and clip the hedge between our properties with a licenced automatic rifle.

I have this feeling you will call the police and expect them to charge me
with
something....

sowhatifit'sdark
03-27-08, 09:17 PM
Tiassa, if you make a bad decision and pull out in front of a truck and your spouse dies,should you be charged for killing them? I can se it if her family pressed the issue but this guys prolly on suicide watch, anyway.If he had fired the gun through the wall the other way and killed one of your kids playing on your lawn would you really hold this line of reasoning?

I mean if he tripped and the gun went off that's one thing but he needs some very severe training.

Further it will become the way to kill your spouse if they let this guy walk. You decide you want to be no longer married to that ___________ and you don't want the hassle of a divorce, well, you can 'get rid of that annoying mosquito in the bedroom with a shotgun, oops.'

Come on.

And the passing poorly in a car and having an accident is not a good analogy. If the guy makes an incredibly bad move in a car, OK, yes, he could also be charged.

But the guy passing poorly in a car is using a car. If he tows his kid on a skateboard on the highway behind his car, now you're getting closer to an analogy. Skateboard not highway vehicle. Handgun not drill.

Vkothii
03-27-08, 09:29 PM
What if hubby fixes the fridge or the washer and wires it up wrong, so the wifey gets fried when she goes to get a beer for him or wash his smelly t-shirt?

(My dipshit bro nearly killed hisself this way, years ago, with an all-metal Akai tape deck he was buggerising around with, and wired the chassis to the brown wire, not the green wire - oops. Lucky it was him got to try it out.)

PsychoticEpisode
03-27-08, 09:34 PM
More than likely the satellite dish manufacturer will get sued because they failed to stipulate in their instruction manual that the use of a handgun for installation purposes may cause severe bodily harm or death.

sowhatifit'sdark
03-27-08, 09:34 PM
What if hubby fixes the fridge or the washer and wires it up wrong, so the wifey gets fried when she goes to get a beer for him or wash his smelly t-shirt?

(My dipshit bro nearly killed hisself this way, years ago, with an all-metal Akai tape deck he was buggerising around with, and wired the chassis to the brown wire, not the green wire - oops. Lucky it was him got to try it out.)

Civil suit. Divorce. Publish story. Keep telling everyone.

People try to fix appliances. He did it badly.

Firing bullets through the walls of a house that is occupied should be a crime.

sowhatifit'sdark
03-27-08, 09:36 PM
Oops, I used a grenade to get rid of bed lice while my wife was sleeping in it. But the lice were on my side of the bed, that's where I put the grenade.

Jail time.

If you use an item whose primary purpose is the kill or wound over distance and you use it near people it is a whole different ball game. I have sympathy for the urge to put some of the idiots mentioned above in counterexamples in jail, but these people did not expressly pick of the 'kills people and is meant to kill people item'. To use a 'kills people device' shows a disdain for the safety of others that is criminal, even if they are not conscious of it.

If the guy fixes a refridgerator and kills someone because he does a bad job
and then does it again,
I am open to putting that guy in jail. Because by that second refridgerator he knew his inabilities as an electrician were like a weapon.
With a gun you know that right off.

draqon
03-27-08, 09:39 PM
...wow, yeah he should be jailed, but not on regular terms

draqon
03-27-08, 09:40 PM
Oops, I used a grenade to get rid of bed lice while my wife was sleeping in it. But the lice were on my side of the bed, that's where I put the grenade.

Jail time.

:p hahaha, that me laugh thanks

clusteringflux
03-27-08, 09:40 PM
I saw nothing in the link about a populated area. Have you been to Missouri?


Anyway, if someone says "i'm gonna shoot through this wall" what would be your first thought?

Run?

draqon
03-27-08, 09:42 PM
I saw nothing in the link about a populated area. Have you been to Missouri?


Anyway, if someone says "i'm gonna shoot through this wall" what would be you're first thought?

my first thought would be, who and were is talking to me
my second thought would be...life flashing before my eyes
my third thought would be....NONE...I will be dead

sowhatifit'sdark
03-27-08, 09:50 PM
I saw nothing in the link about a populated area. Have you been to Missouri?


Anyway, if someone says "i'm gonna shoot through this wall" what would be your first thought?

Run?

It doesn't say he announced his plans.
But perhaps the first shot
was a
warning shot.

Sort of like yelling 'fore' on a golf course.

sowhatifit'sdark
03-27-08, 09:51 PM
The father who uses a chain saw to give his kid a haircut.

jail time.

draqon
03-27-08, 09:55 PM
oooh ooooooooh oooooooooh I got one...

A father who uses a nuke to dry up the spilled glass of his wife

clusteringflux
03-27-08, 10:04 PM
I heard a story not long ago about a man who put his loaded weapon in the bed of his truck with his dog. The dog discharged the gun and he was killed.

That makes the whole thing easier.

sowhatifit'sdark
03-27-08, 10:17 PM
One other way to look at this is:

I am happy with everyone who uses a handgun as a drill on a wall in an occupied house serving some time.

I do not want everyone who tries to pass another car to serve time.
I do not everyone who tries to fix their refridgerator to serve time.

sowhatifit'sdark
03-27-08, 10:18 PM
I heard a story not long ago about a man who put his loaded weapon in the bed of his truck with his dog. The dog discharged the gun and he was killed.

That makes the whole thing easier.
Did the dog have motive?
that's the question.

Tiassa
03-27-08, 10:42 PM
Tiassa, if you make a bad decision and pull out in front of a truck and your spouse dies,should you be charged for killing them?

In my state, I could be.

Hmm ... I think it would be, well, manslaughter. We might have another grade of "negligence resulting in death", but I can't think of it off the top of my head.

Seriously, why do people try so damn hard to make excuses when it's a gun? I realize how important it is for some people in this world to make sure that people are allowed to shoot whatever the hell they want for whatever reasons they want, but we live in society, and without society, those precious, precious firearms wouldn't even exist. So yes, we have to make compromises to society, and one of those compromises is that if you use a firearm, you are expected to do so competently, responsibly and, ultimately, safely.

I really don't understand what is so damned offensive about that notion.




I had this twisted memory of a television show a couple weeks ago. I was helping my brother replace a bathtub and the first part of that involved clearing away a bunch of tiles, cutting away old sheetrock, and eventually tearing out the old lath and plaster behind that. And somewhere in there I recalled a scene from The Cosby Show in which Bill and Claire argued about whether or not to call a plumber to fix a leaking bath faucet. Bill, thinking he'd won, went upstairs to fix the bathroom himself, and at the last minute the family wrestled the sledge hammer out of his hands as he attempted to smash through the bathroom wall ... for whatever reason. (Quicker that way?)

So imagine that comedic scene: a husband/father being hauled down by his wife and kids as they scramble for the sledge he's about to destroy the bathroom with.

Replace that sledge with a rifle.

Just try to picture Bill Cosby standing in a bathroom, pointing a rifle at a wall in order to go through the tile.

I mean, comedy was bad in the 1980s, but yes, it could get even worse.

cosmictraveler
03-28-08, 03:36 AM
Perhaps the wife heard the shot then went to investigate what made the new hole in the wall only to find out what did make the new hole! :shrug:

TW Scott
03-29-08, 02:17 AM
the man should be charged with negligent use of a fire arms and manslaughter. The after the piss is completely scared out of him allowed to plea it down. Still he should do a little prison time for his utter stupidy. I mean if he had been cleaning the weapon and then popped the clip back in and it discharged blew through two walls and ricochetted around a corner, I could argue letting him off lighter. However the man did something intentionally stupid and given this stupidity would have managed to get his wife killed if he'd been using a hand drill. Prison time, though likely he blames himself more than we ever possibly could.

joepistole
03-29-08, 05:30 PM
Sounds like a perfectly sound solution to a mechanical problem. If it does not work, get out the gun and shoot it. If it still does not work, shoot it some more!
But the guy really needed a gun safety course! He probably has a million kids too! Scary!!!

Syzygys
03-30-08, 11:31 AM
It was an accident and he probably will be charged with involuntary manslaughter. He probably gets a few months or years with probation.
It is really not that much different then killing somebody when driving a car and changing the CD....

The kids' sake is probably more important at the end, we shouldn't make them "orphans" by imprisoning the father for a few years. Supposed he loved his wife, losing her is punishment enough...

Orleander
03-30-08, 12:18 PM
What if a parent doesn't buckle their child in and the kid dies when another car hits them?
"Oh, the mom feels bad, so that's punishment enough"
When you own a gun you have to show some responsibility. Using it as a drilling tool just doesn't show a bit of it. Manslaughter.

sowhatifit'sdark
03-30-08, 12:39 PM
TNT to remove calcification in the pipes while the kids are at home.

Jail time.

Syzygys
03-30-08, 12:52 PM
Not very sharp today, I see...


What if a parent doesn't buckle their child in and the kid dies when another car hits them?

The difference is that it is against the law and the consequences can be seen much easier. The dude could easily assume everyone was in the house (actually that's what he thought) and there was no traffic outside. Also, depending on the angle and existence of other walls, he could have assumed that even if the bullet goes through, nobody should get hurt.

Now if you want a correct analogy, I know of cases when the father drove through his 2 year old son, because he didn't realize he was in the garage, playing behind the car. What do you say, should we put him in prison, or was the memory of killing his own son enough punishment???


Manslaughter.

That's what I said...

Orleander
03-30-08, 12:57 PM
Its also against the law to discharge a firearm in the house. He broke the law just by shooting the gun, even if he hadn't hit someone.

amark317
09-18-08, 09:02 PM
sshhhh. I'm in stealth mode.
;)

well your stealth die roll failed.
you were noticed.:p

but anyway, at least he got a good hole in the wall:rolleyes:

amark317
09-18-08, 09:04 PM
btw, how many posts are neccesary to be able to make a new thread?