View Full Version : NASA UFO hacker exposes UFO documentation


Reiku
03-01-12, 11:57 PM
Do not pass this guy off because it is on a youtube video. The Pentagon realized the severity of the work he had hacked into and demanded an extradition (I remember when the pentagon caused up a big fuss), they said he had caused serious damage to their files and wanted him to be trialled under a Federal Court of Law.

So what did this man find out... well... his answers will bring hairs up on anyone's neck. I remember while the extradition case was going on, he actually attended a weekly morning show with (Richard and Judy) - us Brits know who they are. He explained his story to them and they almost couldn't believe what they were hearing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3WPhPlvSLw

I believe him. Something about his tone, posture, his facial expressions... he doesn't show any of your usual woo woo hack signs... even though he's a hacker :bugeye:

Grumpy
03-02-12, 12:08 AM
Some people will believe anything.

Balerion
03-02-12, 12:11 AM
I believe him.

Surprise, surprise.

Reiku
03-02-12, 12:11 AM
Well, call it a hunch.

adoucette
03-02-12, 12:19 AM
Except he has nothing.

Balerion
03-02-12, 12:19 AM
Well, call it a hunch.

Call it wish-thinking, more like.

You want him to be telling the truth. That's all this is.

Reiku
03-02-12, 12:22 AM
Except he has nothing.

Yea, he won't. It wasn't his archives and I am no computer hacker expert but I am sure there are safety guards in operation which would alert when some files are being downloaded, never mind being watched over.

Reiku
03-02-12, 12:23 AM
Call it wish-thinking, more like.

You want him to be telling the truth. That's all this is.

Yea, I like the idea he is telling the truth. I mean, concerning the fact he could have been extradited, I'd say he was in the perfect position to sharing such truths. I mean, if the truth was out there, it would be in the Pentagon.

:shrug:

Balerion
03-02-12, 12:26 AM
Yea, I like the idea he is telling the truth. I mean, concerning the fact he could have been extradited, I'd say he was in the perfect position to sharing such truths. I mean, if the truth was out there, it would be in the Pentagon.

:shrug:

He still could be extradited. Hacking is a serious offense, and when you do it to a federal system, you're asking for major trouble. But that doesn't mean he's telling the truth about aliens and anti-gravity technology.

adoucette
03-02-12, 12:28 AM
Yea, he won't. It wasn't his archives and I am no computer hacker expert but I am sure there are safety guards in operation which would alert when some files are being downloaded, never mind being watched over.

Nah, if you can open a picture and view it on your screen it's already been transmitted to you, all you have to do is save it.

So what would save him from extradition is simply proving that the govt has been hiding aliens and anti-gravity machines from us.

But he says he didn't save anything.

Reiku
03-02-12, 12:34 AM
Nah, if you can open a picture and view it on your screen it's already been transmitted to you, all you have to do is save it.

So what would save him from extradition is simply proving that the govt has been hiding aliens and anti-gravity machines from us.

But he says he didn't save anything.

Would you have? Never mind the extradition, his life could have been in serious danger if he had. He did and in a way it already was.

I bet he was hoping he could never have been traced. He was snooping quietly, as it were.

adoucette
03-02-12, 12:36 AM
Would you have? Never mind the extradition, his life could have been in serious danger if he had. He did and in a way it already was.

I bet he was hoping he could never have been traced. He was snooping quietly, as it were.

No he had taken remote control of the computer.
He could download anything he wanted.

He claims he saw extraordinary things about Aliens and Anti-Gravity devices.

And from an audit standpoint, the fact that he opened something is all you can tell.
They would presume he DID download them.

Yet he claims he saved nothing to prove these extraordinary things.

Which is simply not believable.

Reiku
03-02-12, 12:38 AM
No he had taken remote control of the computer.
He could download anything he wanted.

He claims he saw extraordinary things about Aliens and Anti-Gravity devices.

Yet he claims he saved nothing to prove these extraordinary things.

Which is simply not believable.

But they knew he was there...

Do we have any hacker residents here? Just for info on the subject.

adoucette
03-02-12, 12:43 AM
I think they found out later.

But it doesn't matter, if you are reading or viewing something from that other computer on your computer you can save or print it out.

Reiku
03-02-12, 12:45 AM
I think they found out later.

But it doesn't matter, if you are reading or viewing something from that other computer on your computer you can save or print it out.

If it was me, I don't think I would have downloaded anything either. I would have been afraid for my life.

Indeed, I would have been afraid of my life period. That was a very dangerous thing to do.

Reiku
03-02-12, 12:46 AM
Even for the search for the truth.

adoucette
03-02-12, 12:47 AM
You don't seem to get it.

He already downloaded them, he just didn't save them.

As proof.

Reiku
03-02-12, 12:53 AM
You don't seem to get it.

He already downloaded them, he just didn't save them.

As proof.

Oh.

Well that was a half job then. I wonder why he didn't save it. There must have been a reason. :shrug:

Balerion
03-02-12, 12:58 AM
Oh.

Well that was a half job then. I wonder why he didn't save it. There must have been a reason. :shrug:

Yeah, the reason is that the documents never existed. He's making it up. Surely you know what that's like?

Reiku
03-02-12, 01:02 AM
**** off.

Hate being proven wrong don't you? You have went completely off the rails since Adoucette provided that paper reference.

Balerion
03-02-12, 01:21 AM
**** off.

Hate being proven wrong don't you? You have went completely off the rails since Adoucette provided that paper reference.

You mean the paper reference that had nothing to do with your sighting? That paper reference?

Reiku
03-02-12, 01:26 AM
Yes.. well.. It only became apparent after it had been noted it happened only two years ago.

I still wasn't lying.

Balerion
03-02-12, 01:36 AM
Yes.. well.. It only became apparent after it had been noted it happened only two years ago.

I still wasn't lying.

I knew it wasn't the same one just by the description in the article. What you described was nothing at all what they described in the paper.

Reiku
03-02-12, 01:41 AM
The dancing in the air... put me in the zone thinking it was the same. The overall color of the objects and shapes (from what one might make out of a blurry photo) do look the same mind you.

I should have concentrated more on the fact it lasted seven days and questioned that. I really believed that was them just by judging the picture alone.

Balerion
03-02-12, 01:50 AM
The dancing in the air... put me in the zone thinking it was the same. The overall color of the objects and shapes (from what one might make out of a blurry photo) do look the same mind you.

I should have concentrated more on the fact it lasted seven days and questioned that. I really believed that was them just by judging the picture alone.

You're lying again, Reiku. You and I both know you simply Googled reports of UFO sightings in your area, and posted what you found. It was a fabrication from the start.

I wish you'd just own up. It would make you seem mature for once, and maybe people would start taking you seriously. I don't know, I've known liars, but their motivation has always been a mystery to me. It never works out, you always end up with egg on your face. I totally exposed you in that other thread. It must have been so embarrassing, why would you set yourself up for more of it?

Reiku
03-02-12, 02:44 AM
I know what you are trying to do. You are trying to push me over the edge enough to get me banned ----- it won't work.

In the meantime, did you find that thread of my account, you will see it will blow holes in that little theory of yours, unless I can travel into the future now and predict events. I spoke about my account long before I posted that account of my Fathers.

Not the brightest star in the heavens are you?

Reiku
03-02-12, 02:56 AM
See...?

Posted in 2007

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=72751

your theory is debunked thoroughly.

Balerion
03-02-12, 05:47 AM
I know what you are trying to do. You are trying to push me over the edge enough to get me banned ----- it won't work.

Presumably because you have worked out some sort of deal with James that allows you to do and say whatever you please for an indeterminate amount of time. You've already committed more than one infractionable offense. James even said you plagiarized work yesterday, and nothing has been done.

Though, perhaps I speak out of turn. I have no idea if you were infracted or not, so I won't say that you weren't. I only know that you haven't been banned, despite telling me to "fuck off," calling me an idiot, and countless other insults that I have reported.


In the meantime, did you find that thread of my account, you will see it will blow holes in that little theory of yours, unless I can travel into the future now and predict events. I spoke about my account long before I posted that account of my Fathers.

I did not see your last post in that thread, but now that I do, I see I was wrong about you making up the bit about the Observer. That one is on me.

See, this is the difference between you and I. When I make a mistake, I admit it. I don't cover it up or lie about it.

However, let me point out that this does differ from a post you made in 08 that states you were with your grandmother, not your mother. You also originally said you were 14 at the time, but this post in 07 says you were "a young child." 14 does not make you a young child, so either you're confused, or you're lying. These are details, but they're important.

And don't think for one second that this makes your story more credible. As I stated originally, it just means you've told the story before. I have no evidence that the newspapers made any mention of it, nor even that you didn't just invent the whole thing.


Not the brightest star in the heavens are you?

See? Do you not think this is an insult? I mean, don't get me wrong, coming from you, it doesn't mean much, but it's still an insult.

Reiku
03-02-12, 06:22 AM
Presumably because you have worked out some sort of deal with James

Then I'd shut the **** up, before I speak to the guy about you trolling --- I'd be worried indeed if I have made such a deal, no?

:bugeye:

Ophiolite
03-02-12, 06:55 AM
Oh.

Well that was a half job then. I wonder why he didn't save it. There must have been a reason. :shrug:If you are facing the possibility of extradition and a consequnet possible lengthy prison sentence, then anything you can do to deflect attention from your crime might seem reasonable.

Reiku
03-02-12, 07:08 AM
If you are facing the possibility of extradition and a consequnet possible lengthy prison sentence, then anything you can do to deflect attention from your crime might seem reasonable.

Well, I've come to reason that he was to gain nothing from his claims on the UFO knowledge.

Assuming that he was lying about the knowledge (completely hypothetical now), undoubtedly in hindsight he would have much better accomplished his fame, if that indeed was what he was after, speaking about the true stuff which came up in his search.

It makes no sense of him making stuff up concerning UFO's - that seems to be like adding chip pan oil to the fire. Just my opinion... UFO's are not a light subject. If indeed this was what he saw, then it would admit to the rather idiotic claims from the pentagon he caused... how much damage was it now? I can't remember, but even he said it was impossible to cause that kind of damage. Very fishy.

:shrug:

Balerion
03-02-12, 07:17 AM
Then I'd shut the **** up, before I speak to the guy about you trolling --- I'd be worried indeed if I have made such a deal, no?

:bugeye:

No. If you have any influence over an administrator, then this isn't a place I want to be.

Balerion
03-02-12, 07:21 AM
Well, I've come to reason that he was to gain nothing from his claims on the UFO knowledge.

Assuming that he was lying about the knowledge (completely hypothetical now), undoubtedly in hindsight he would have much better accomplished his fame, if that indeed was what he was after, speaking about the true stuff which came up in his search.

It makes no sense of him making stuff up concerning UFO's - that seems to be like adding chip pan oil to the fire. Just my opinion... UFO's are not a light subject. If indeed this was what he saw, then it would admit to the rather idiotic claims from the pentagon he caused... how much damage was it now? I can't remember, but even he said it was impossible to cause that kind of damage. Very fishy.

:shrug:

You honestly don't see what he has to gain by making this stuff up? You don't think fame is gain?

Reiku
03-02-12, 07:34 AM
You honestly don't see what he has to gain by making this stuff up? You don't think fame is gain?

How backwards are you?

Don't you think he gained fame the moment the USA wanted to extradite him? I'd say that was mission accomplished without any UFO convo's.

Balerion
03-02-12, 07:38 AM
How backwards are you?

Keep making those comments, kid. You're only digging your own grave.


Don't you think he gained fame the moment the USA wanted to extradite him? I'd say that was mission accomplished without any UFO convo's.

And yet the UFO claim is what has garnered him television appearances, a play made about his exploits, a song written about him, etc.. The hacking thing is secondary in popular culture to what he says he found.

I mean, seriously. This is plagiarized physics easy, but it's pretty easy nonetheless.

Reiku
03-02-12, 07:40 AM
Keep making those comments, kid. You're only digging your own grave.



And yet it's the UFO claims is what has garnered him television appearances, a play made about his exploits, a song written about him, etc.. The hacking thing is secondary in popular culture to what he says he found.

Dig what? You've brought this attitude about. You've tormented me all night with all kinds of derrogatory remarks. I pretty much deafened my ear to most of it, (figure of speech), but you wouldn't give up. So now this is how I am gonna treat you from now on, until you move on.

And no. He would have easily got TV appearances from just the extradition point. That alone was enough to get on a breakfast TV show.

Balerion
03-02-12, 07:43 AM
Dig what? You've brought this attitude about. You've tormented me all night with all kinds of derrogatory remarks. I pretty much deafened my ear to most of it, (figure of speach), but you wouldn't give up. So now this is how I am gonna treat you from now on, until you move on.

You're the one who starts it, Reiku. Every time. You throw a hissy fit any time someone tells you you're wrong.

And I'm not moving on until you stop making crap up.


And no. He would have easily got TV appearances from just the extradition point. That alone was enough to get on a breakfast TV show.

And yet he didn't, and all anyone talks about are his UFO claims. So, yeah.

I mean, why did you bring him up? Was it because of his extradition, or his claims about UFO technology?

That's what I thought.

Reiku
03-02-12, 07:46 AM
You're the one who starts it, Reiku. Every time. You throw a hissy fit any time someone tells you you're wrong.

And I'm not moving on until you stop making crap up.



And yet he didn't, and all anyone talks about are his UFO claims. So, yeah.

You're a filthy liar. I'll even get the first thread you were derrogatory towards me in. I even said to you, ''does it always need to revert to aggression from the skeptic,'' unto which you replied, ''it was you who started'' (lol) and I was like ''anyone else reading this...''

Seriously, I will link it, and jog that obviously highly tenebrous memory of yours.

Reiku
03-02-12, 07:47 AM
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=112708


These were our first lot of exchanges. You are quite clearly derrogatory first.

Balerion
03-02-12, 07:50 AM
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=112708


These were our first lot of exchanges. You are quite clearly derrogatory first.

Alright, you brought this on yourself. Be back in a few.

Reiku
03-02-12, 07:51 AM
I mean, why did you bring him up? Was it because of his extradition, or his claims about UFO technology?

All of it. In two words, his story.

He has a remarkable story. I wanted to share it.

Reiku
03-02-12, 07:52 AM
Alright, you brought this on yourself. Be back in a few.

Ok, I will wait in anticipation.

Reiku
03-02-12, 07:58 AM
...Yawn...


...having some problems there Jdawwwwg?

Reiku
03-02-12, 08:00 AM
*Tumbleweed blows by*

Balerion
03-02-12, 08:16 AM
From thread Great UFO Documentary (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2902945&postcount=12)

Anyone who purports to UFO's as being nonsense are themselves woo woo and ignorant of all the hard facts supporting their existences.

From thread Well Documented UFO Case (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=112647&page=4)

I must admit, I find it very worrying measuring the level of intelligence most skeptics must possess, to believe otherwise mundane and mediocre explanations which never fit the bill.

Same thread

You may think it is stupid of me to think it could have been ET - I openly admit that it is a possibility, but it shows me you do not have an ounce of respect for those who do get to observe these bonafide objects whilst you sit and wallow with no experience at all, or if you do, you have not opened your mind to the possibility. That's your fault. Not mine, or anyone elses.

Same thread again

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.


This is just in the past few days. Shall I go on?

Reiku
03-02-12, 08:19 AM
From thread Great UFO Documentary (http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2902945&postcount=12)


From thread Well Documented UFO Case (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=112647&page=4)


Same thread


Same thread again


This is just in the past few days. Shall I go on?

Oh right, I was talking tonight. You wanna go back to our very first posts... I know it off by memory. Glad your playing this game. Hold on.

Balerion
03-02-12, 08:22 AM
I've seen them already. You're not going to surprise me.

Reiku
03-02-12, 08:24 AM
Awww, I already gathered them.

So you admit it then, you were derrogatory to me first?

To think as well I stuck up for you on our VERY first exchanged when chipz called you a retard. I wish I never bothered now.

Balerion
03-02-12, 08:28 AM
Oh, looks like I forgot one.

From thread My UFO Sightings

You are a terrible reader for someone who says they take time out of writing books.


Oops, and another!

From thread Bob Lazar and Area 51 Claims

He was right. That was what I was referring to. I know this, because he jogged my memory. Read your facts first. Then make stupid comments like this if you want.

Balerion
03-02-12, 08:29 AM
Awww, I already gathered them.

So you admit it then, you were derrogatory to me first?

To think as well I stuck up for you on our VERY first exchanged when chipz called you a retard. I wish I never bothered now.

No, I've already demonstrated that you threw the first stone. And there are countless threads with you name-calling other members for calling you out on your lies. Why do you think no one has anything good to say about you? You're always in a fight, and it's always with a respected member of the forums.

And our VERY first exchange might go back a ways. I'll have to look that up.

Reiku
03-02-12, 08:38 AM
No, I've already demonstrated that you threw the first stone. And there are countless threads with you name-calling other members for calling you out on your lies. Why do you think no one has anything good to say about you? You're always in a fight, and it's always with a respected member of the forums.

And our VERY first exchange might go back a ways. I'll have to look that up.

Are you kidding me? I can trace the very first thread. I thought for a second you were being a man and admitting you had. Oh well, it can be located here:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=111858&page=2

same day

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=112508&page=2

(Me being rather polite towards you)

We had an exchange before this, but you were actually quite polite-ish.

Reiku
03-02-12, 08:40 AM
And no, you talk absolutely rubbish. I have tried to ignore you on countless occassions. You have spammed my threads (threads which you can't even contribute in because you have no knowledge of them), by condescending me, with the usual sciforums remarks from AN that I am a plaigarist a liar, yadee yadee ya. The same old I've heard from you all night.

Then as ophiliote came in and said what he said (and spud I am not surprised with) they quickly turned to group bully tactics. You're a dirty low life who needs to **** off.

sifreak21
03-02-12, 08:43 AM
But they knew he was there...

Do we have any hacker residents here? Just for info on the subject.

reiku remember some people have no idea about what hackers can and cannot do and anything with ufo they will pass off.

I know hackers.. i know the guy who fixed the google scuffle when china? hacked into it hes actually an old HS buddy and he can get in anything what makes him so good at web security is he knows how to get past everything

they may have software to "watch" files or folders but there is a way around EVERYTHING. if someone really wanted to screw your life up bigtime they could empty your bank accounts get your personal information ect ect if you know what your doing.. its really not that hard.

Balerion
03-02-12, 08:46 AM
Are you kidding me? I can trace the very first thread. I thought for a second you were being a man and admitting you had. Oh well, it can be located here:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=111858&page=2

same day

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=112508&page=2

(Me being rather polite towards you)

We had an exchange before this, but you were actually quite polite-ish.

The first post in that link shows you insulting me before I ever insulted you. Are you trying to be funny now? I don't get the joke, if you are. Are you lampooning...yourself?

Anyway, now that we've both proven you're quick to the insult, I think we're done here.

sifreak21
03-02-12, 08:47 AM
just watch the anonamous video and the westbro baptist church.. the lady slammed anom. and while on the phone he kinda went silent.. couple min later he says sorry i was just taking down all of your websights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJwSjor4hM

there it is

Reiku
03-02-12, 08:47 AM
reiku remember some people have no idea about what hackers can and cannot do and anything with ufo they will pass off.

I know hackers.. i know the guy who fixed the google scuffle when china? hacked into it hes actually an old HS buddy and he can get in anything what makes him so good at web security is he knows how to get past everything

they may have software to "watch" files or folders but there is a way around EVERYTHING. if someone really wanted to screw your life up bigtime they could empty your bank accounts get your personal information ect ect if you know what your doing.. its really not that hard.

That's quite a scarey thought. :o

Reiku
03-02-12, 08:49 AM
The first post in that link shows you insulting me before I ever insulted you. Are you trying to be funny now? I don't get the joke, if you are. Are you lampooning...yourself?

Anyway, now that we've both proven you're quick to the insult, I think we're done here.

You must be blind then, post 17 bub.

You are clearly derogatory first.

Balerion
03-02-12, 08:56 AM
Hackers aren't magic. There are limits to what they can do. And the word "hacking" gets misused today. People who empty bank accounts and illegally access emails aren't hacking at all, they're just using social engineering techniques to manipulate security features, like learning someone's mother's maiden name, or stealing their phone and using the bank's callback system on the password reset.

As far as I'm concerned, if there's no coding involved, it isn't hacking.

Balerion
03-02-12, 08:57 AM
You must be blind then, post 17 bub.

You are clearly derogatory first.

What was derogatory about that post?

Reiku
03-02-12, 09:09 AM
What was derogatory about that post?

You said the first post, by me was derogatory... Yet it wasn't the first post... yours came before mine

You

''But you only came to this conclusion by your want for it to be true. Cifo gave a very good explanation of what is wrong with the documentary (and with UFOlogical claims in general), and your ignorance to those objections speaks to your religious adherence to the ET myth.''

Me

ET-myth? You need to be careful. Thinking ET is a myth is a rather selfish claim in an otherwise, infinitely large universe with more planets than your puny little mind could fathom.

Your ignorance is the same as most skeptics. Thinking that because there is a lack of evidence is evidence against. It does not mean that no evidence exists.

If you've not been derogatory, then niether have I, but your next reply tumbles right into derogatory zones... just follow it on.

Anyway, I've wasted far too much time allowing you to shadow my posts and basically being a lying little troll-faced ****. So I am off.

Sianara.

adoucette
03-02-12, 09:24 AM
Reiku,

Saying someone is ignorant of something isn't actually an insult.

It means simply that they don't know something.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ignorant

Your comment about his "puny little mind" on the other hand, is an insult.

Balerion
03-02-12, 09:35 AM
You said the first post, by me was derogatory... Yet it wasn't the first post... yours came before mine

You

''But you only came to this conclusion by your want for it to be true. Cifo gave a very good explanation of what is wrong with the documentary (and with UFOlogical claims in general), and your ignorance to those objections speaks to your religious adherence to the ET myth.''

Me

ET-myth? You need to be careful. Thinking ET is a myth is a rather selfish claim in an otherwise, infinitely large universe with more planets than your puny little mind could fathom.

Your ignorance is the same as most skeptics. Thinking that because there is a lack of evidence is evidence against. It does not mean that no evidence exists.

If you've not been derogatory, then niether have I, but your next reply tumbles right into derogatory zones... just follow it on.

Anyway, I've wasted far too much time allowing you to shadow my posts and basically being a lying little troll-faced ****. So I am off.

Sianara.

Seriously? I said you were ignorant to the objections, not that you were ignorant.

Wow.

keith1
03-02-12, 10:39 AM
Oh shoot, I just exposed aliens using coupled CMB particles communicating with spooky action, across the universe... and it all disappeared...never mind

Reiku
03-02-12, 06:36 PM
I don't take. Even if it was, you certainly made up for it for the rest of the night jdawg. You where completely out of order yesterday with all sorts of comments and spam, and generally just trying to make a fool out of me.

Reiku
03-02-12, 06:37 PM
And when I say ''puny little mind'' - that was not personal. It was a reflection on the complexities of the universe. Even mine is too puny to understand it all.

adoucette
03-02-12, 07:35 PM
Well it wouldn't be personal if you wrote:

Thinking ET is a myth is a rather selfish claim in an otherwise, infinitely large universe with more planets than our puny little minds could fathom.

But the way you wrote it implies only that JDawg has a puny little mind.

Which is an insult.

Reiku
03-02-12, 08:01 PM
Well it wouldn't be personal if you wrote:

Thinking ET is a myth is a rather selfish claim in an otherwise, infinitely large universe with more planets than our puny little minds could fathom.

But the way you wrote it implies only that JDawg has a puny little mind.

Which is an insult.

I must take myself in high regard then if I think my brain able to comprehend the absolute complexities of a universe - my point was that he should not shrug off such things because clearly his brain cannot.

If he finds that offensive, I call it truth.

Pincho Paxton
03-02-12, 09:20 PM
He seems fairly honest until he talks about the geodesic cigar image, and then he stutters, and stumbles over his words, and he clenches his teeth. Downloaded images are stored in your temp directory when viewed by an application, sometimes they are hidden as ie5? (something like that), but you can make them visible. An Hacker should know this. You can also press PrtScn to grab an image. Apart from his obviously uncomfortable mannerisms during his interview his description of the image is also not taken from an actual working memory. He starts with Cigar shaped, but then describes a star shaped structure. Memories do not have descriptive alterations, only lies do.

Reiku
03-02-12, 09:38 PM
He seems fairly honest until he talks about the geodesic cigar image, and then he stutters, and stumbles over his words.

Indeed, I actually agree with you.

Balerion
03-02-12, 09:42 PM
I must take myself in high regard then if I think my brain able to comprehend the absolute complexities of a universe - my point was that he should not shrug off such things because clearly his brain cannot.

If he finds that offensive, I call it truth.

Or maybe you just need to do a better job of getting your point across. Your grammar is atrocious, your spelling worse, and very often it is difficult to parse the meaning out of your clusterf*** posts.

But it is funny that now you've been proven to be the one who starts with the insults, you're acting as if it shouldn't matter who's first, because I'm a jerk. Whichever way the wind blows, eh?

As for last night, grow up. I asked you to defend your position, and you acted like a baby about it. You've told the same story six different ways, you've been caught lying before, so nobody owes here owes you the benefit of the doubt. Nobody. And you're not going to get it from anyone.

How old are you now? Doesn't it embarrass you to know that people think you're a child?

Reiku
03-02-12, 09:50 PM
Or maybe you just need to do a better job of getting your point across. Your grammar is atrocious, your spelling worse, and very often it is difficult to parse the meaning out of your clusterf*** posts.

How old am I, and you revert to childish playground games of coming into my threads and acting like a schoolground bully? Grow up.

I actually suffered really bad dyslexia when I was younger. If you want to concentrate on that please go right ahead. I am not as half as bad as some members I could name here, but I don't judge people on whether they can spell or not.

I judge them on their character and yours quite frankly, stinks.

Balerion
03-02-12, 10:02 PM
How old am I, and you revert to childish playground games of coming into my threads and acting like a schoolground bully? Grow up.

Stop acting like a victim. You give as good as you get.


I actually suffered really bad dyslexia when I was younger. If you want to concentrate on that please go right ahead. I am not as half as bad as some members I could name here, but I don't judge people on whether they can spell or not.

I sincerely doubt that, especially since one does not simply outgrow dyslexia. If you had dyslexia as a child, you have it today as well. See what I mean, Reiku? You just make shit up. You're a pathological liar.

And if you'd simply pay attention to the point instead of looking for excuses to take offense to something, I wasn't criticizing your grammar and spelling for the sake of it, I was explaining why you may have been misunderstood.


I judge them on their character and yours quite frankly, stinks.

Yeah, okay. Says the guy who just made up a story about dyslexia to cover his poor spelling and grammar. :rolleyes:

Reiku
03-02-12, 10:08 PM
Stop acting like a victim. You give as good as you get.

Do I?

So when three of you gang up on me, that's fair is it?

''I sincerely doubt that, especially since one does not simply outgrow dyslexia.''

What are you talking about? I never said I grew out of it. Indeed, if your theory still holds, I still suffer it now and again. (Not the first time you've speculated on wild theories concerning me).

You're making things up now as you go along. I am terminating this conversation.

Balerion
03-03-12, 02:27 AM
Do I?

So when three of you gang up on me, that's fair is it?

''I sincerely doubt that, especially since one does not simply outgrow dyslexia.''

What are you talking about? I never said I grew out of it. Indeed, if your theory still holds, I still suffer it now and again. (Not the first time you've speculated on wild theories concerning me).

You're making things up now as you go along. I am terminating this conversation.

You said you suffered from it as a child. Past tense. You didn't know that dyslexia isn't something one can grow out of, like childhood asthma.

Stop lying, Reiku. Stop being a troll. You're only making this place harder to visit.

Reiku
03-03-12, 07:45 AM
You said you suffered from it as a child. Past tense. You didn't know that dyslexia isn't something one can grow out of, like childhood asthma.

Stop lying, Reiku. Stop being a troll. You're only making this place harder to visit.

Look, hold on.

You are quite clearly stating I have a problem with spelling.

What then is your arguement?

I am telling you now I suffered dyslexia bad as a child... if you want to know my personal details, raise it in a PM.

I don't want to discuss it here.

Cool?

Reiku
03-03-12, 07:46 AM
It can be embarrasing for someone to speak of such things, have you not considered this, or are you TOTALLY incapable of human emotions?

Balerion
03-03-12, 08:40 AM
:zzz:

Reiku
03-03-12, 08:41 AM
Should I assume this as a Cowardly Resignation then?

Reiku
03-03-12, 08:41 AM
oops... wrong thread.

mrblackhole
03-15-12, 02:54 PM
I'm not even sure what to make of the guy in the video. He sounds articulate, doesn't sound crazy, but then again the stuff he says are basically just stuff you hear in movies...nothing new, you know?

Balerion
03-15-12, 03:53 PM
I'm not even sure what to make of the guy in the video. He sounds articulate, doesn't sound crazy, but then again the stuff he says are basically just stuff you hear in movies...nothing new, you know?

That's a very important point, Mr. B. He just seems to be regurgitating the same mythology we've been hearing forever. As far as not sounding crazy, he doesn't necessarily need to be in order to make up a lie that has now made him a cult figure among Believers. Then again, one does not have to sound crazy to be crazy.

Welcome to the forums, by the way!

Arioch
03-16-12, 06:02 PM
But, if you have access to the hard drive it's possible to reconstruct any data that was downloaded to your computer so long as you're competent and patient. And if this guy hacked government files then he's obviously competent and thus could recover the files he downloaded if he wanted to. The fact that he won't speaks volumes about the validity of his claims, it also indicates that there never were any files and the claim is bogus.

Balerion
03-16-12, 07:54 PM
But, if you have access to the hard drive it's possible to reconstruct any data that was downloaded to your computer so long as you're competent and patient. And if this guy hacked government files then he's obviously competent and thus could recover the files he downloaded if he wanted to. The fact that he won't speaks volumes about the validity of his claims, it also indicates that there never were any files and the claim is bogus.

Yup! And it should be obvious to everyone. Sadly, that isn't the case.

Read-Only
03-16-12, 09:07 PM
Yup! And it should be obvious to everyone. Sadly, that isn't the case.

Actually, it IS obvious to any rational, thinking person. The problem with the "alien-believers" is that they are MORE than willing to immediately suspend all rational thought so that they can maintain their myth. :shrug:

Balerion
03-16-12, 09:33 PM
Actually, it IS obvious to any rational, thinking person. The problem with the "alien-believers" is that they are MORE than willing to immediately suspend all rational thought so that they can maintain their myth. :shrug:

Yes, that's what I meant. It's obvious to those who do not allow their desire for conspiracy deliciousness shut down their rational mind.

Arioch
03-23-12, 08:18 PM
So, the conclusion that's been reached is that this guy is either a crackpot or a fraud? Yes?

Balerion
04-04-12, 12:25 PM
my personal oppinion is that top secret files are unhackable

Uh, no they're not. There is no dispute that this hacker got his hands on top secret material. What is in dispute is whether his story about aliens and anti-gravity tech is true.

Arioch
04-04-12, 12:43 PM
@JDawg --

Oh come on, that's not in dispute either. We know he was lying about that shit, else he would have provided the evidence already.

Balerion
04-04-12, 12:49 PM
@JDawg --

Oh come on, that's not in dispute either. We know he was lying about that shit, else he would have provided the evidence already.

Do you not know what "in dispute" means? If it isn't in dispute, then we accept that he stole secrets about alien technology. So obviously his claim is in dispute.

Enough with the semantic nonsense.

Arioch
04-04-12, 12:50 PM
Fair enough, fair enough.

Stryder
04-05-12, 12:42 PM
Do you not know what "in dispute" means? If it isn't in dispute, then we accept that he stole secrets about alien technology. So obviously his claim is in dispute.

Enough with the semantic nonsense.

"alien technology" can mean technology not related to people of your homeland. So it could mean technology from another country.

From what I heard of McKinnon's exploits, the attack itself exploited a grey area or loophole in how information at the time was being moved from one media to another and undergoing "reclassification". It was posed the exploit involved using the Archie gopher service which contained information stored in this older data format.

As for the US claim that a number of computers were "wiped", there is no third-party confirmation of this, if anything it's just a method to improve the reasons for extradition. However posed exploitation of such computers likely used the "Unmanned Installation" versions of certain operating systems that usually had "Administrator" being created with a "Blank" password, which actually proves a failing in the security protocols that would be assumed to be in place.

As for the information obtained, while UFO secrecy might of been McKinnon's objective, he was technically looking in the wrong place. The Roswell crash of 1947 wasn't investigated directly by the NSA or CIA, but was actually USA-AF with an attempted coup by the FBI head of the time (Hoover) to gain rights over continued investigation.

Any usage of "Alien" by the NSA or the CIA therefore is relationship to "person(s) not being of their country".

Balerion
04-05-12, 05:43 PM
"alien technology" can mean technology not related to people of your homeland. So it could mean technology from another country.

From what I heard of McKinnon's exploits, the attack itself exploited a grey area or loophole in how information at the time was being moved from one media to another and undergoing "reclassification". It was posed the exploit involved using the Archie gopher service which contained information stored in this older data format.

As for the US claim that a number of computers were "wiped", there is no third-party confirmation of this, if anything it's just a method to improve the reasons for extradition. However posed exploitation of such computers likely used the "Unmanned Installation" versions of certain operating systems that usually had "Administrator" being created with a "Blank" password, which actually proves a failing in the security protocols that would be assumed to be in place.

As for the information obtained, while UFO secrecy might of been McKinnon's objective, he was technically looking in the wrong place. The Roswell crash of 1947 wasn't investigated directly by the NSA or CIA, but was actually USA-AF with an attempted coup by the FBI head of the time (Hoover) to gain rights over continued investigation.

Any usage of "Alien" by the NSA or the CIA therefore is relationship to "person(s) not being of their country".

I sincerely doubt anyone in the NSA or CIA uses the term "alien technology" in reference to another country's technology. There are far less loaded ways to say that. Anyway, McKinnon wasn't the one who used the term. He specifically referenced "UFO technology" that was "not man-made."

He also said the government was suppressing free energy technology. What's most likely here is that McKinnon is just making shit up.

Believe
04-12-12, 10:12 PM
I sincerely doubt anyone in the NSA or CIA uses the term "alien technology" in reference to another country's technology. There are far less loaded ways to say that. Anyway, McKinnon wasn't the one who used the term. He specifically referenced "UFO technology" that was "not man-made."

He also said the government was suppressing free energy technology. What's most likely here is that McKinnon is just making shit up.

Basically