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This is not the beginning of the end. It is the end of the beginning. A new age is dawning. There will be a new conscienceness. The Physical and the Spiritual will become one. A message will be sent. There will be an awakening. Not everyone will receive the message. Not everyone who receives the message will be awakened.

Those that do will find their lives changed. They will examine their personal experiences. They will assess their relationships. They will come face to face with their own mortality. They shall seek enlightenment.

Some will find strength from within. Others will not. The enlightened will move ahead into tomorrow. The others will be left behind.

Enlightenment is the key to the future.

Enlightment is the key? Me thinks not. Only God can make sense of what is happening today. What you seem to believe is the belief in an elite group who get the answers and those who are not in the group will be left behind. God "wishes all men to be saved."

Frank,
Is this not the way christians think?????
If one is not "saved" then they will not be
able to understand the bible (your so called answers to life). Also, if one is not saved
then they will get left behind (rapture)
What's the matter Frank???? Kind of gets to you when someone can say the very same things
that christians have been saying all along regarding salvation. ;)

sherreece & Flash,

First of all, her post was just a marketing scam. Next, truth with any part of an untruth mixed in is a LIE!!! The whole thing is then rotten. When Job's friends gave him bad advise, they spoke many true things about God. What they did wrong was to apply it incorrectly. To look at a car and say, "There is a car.", may be well and true. However, if it does not have a power plant, then, all you have is a car body. All you have is a stack of parts. What you have is powerless! That car for its own sake, without power is useless for the task. Enlightenment for its own sake is useless without the power plant of God. To be more exact, you can't even find enlightenment if you don't first have God. The truth can always be twisted so that it sounds and looks good. It's only proper when it's straight.

Romans 5:16-18
Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin:
The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the
gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. For if, by
the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man,
how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of
grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one
man, Jesus Christ. Consequently, just as the result of one
trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one
act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
ISDAMan

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Though you, ISDAman, cannot make any stronger claim about your <u>own</u> enligtenment than any new-age guru can claim about her or his own. So what's the point of such comparisons? Are you really so sure that it is you who possesses the car with the engine, and that it's not in fact the other way around?

Not to mention that anything any of us could call "enlightenment" is apriori laughable anyway. Just consider this: the brightest human that ever lived may be less enlightened compared to a more advanced lifeform, than a chimp is compared to you. Don't go assuming humanity is the highest achievable rung on the ladder of natural (not to mention artificial) evolution. And don't go assuming that the present set of cultures and religions is the highest achievable rung on the ladder of social evolution.

Certain people on this board were at some point rather adamant about the virtues of humility. May I suggest that the ultimate form of humility is recognition that one is <u>not</u> the king of the world, and that no matter how schooled, one still cannot pretend to have a grasp upon any absolutes not clearly demonstrable or apriori obvious to everyone else? This includes the proclaimed absolute authority of the Bible, as well as the self-proclaimed authority of the Bible-pounding acolytes.

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One of the most basic and global messages in the Bible is that true enlightenment only comes through one source, which is salvation through Jesus Christ. What the new age deception boils down too, and why the end must come in the first place, is an internalization of our enlightenment. A deceptive substitute to distract from the truth. They think that we don't need Jesus, that we don't need salvation, but that we are our own gods. That we can become gods. That we can decide our own truth. A sugar-coated truth. A lie.

The "others" who choose not to be "awakened" to this lie, and who will be LEFT BEHIND (don't you mean taken somewhere else?), is me. Me and everyone else who is saved in Jesus Christ. THIS IS CALLED THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH. Remember, I'm gonna be Octopussy? ;) I'm joking. What you will come to know hopefully is that I am with Jesus, and waiting for the last martyr, before His return. If you're left behind, be a martyr for Christ. He died for you. YOU, specifically.

The awakening will supposedly be made possible via a voluntary genetic manipulation or alteration. THIS IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST. My advice, don't sign up. You'll die if you don't, but that's ok, because if you die for Him, your soul will live with Him forever as it was intended. If you choose to follow the Antichrist, and take the mark, you will be destroyed along with the one whom you chose to worship.

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I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick.

Lori,


If you're left behind, be a martyr for Christ. He died for you. YOU, specifically.

ME, specifically? Wow, I feel so...humble! How nice for me - now what about the rest of you? :p

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I am humbled by the greatest sacrifice, His life for mine, and I humbly accept His loving gift of eternal salvation through Jesus Christ.

May I take this opportunity to say, Thank You, Lord.

I am humiliated by my sins. Humbly and respectfully I accept Jesus Christ into my life and I join TS in giving thanks to our most loving Father.

Christian or not, I can't possibly see anything wrong with looking to yourself for answers and guidance. Why does this have to be such a pressing point, as if to be Christian is to deny your own intuition? We have a very strong sense of autonomy as humans. According to the Christian perspective,this tendency--including our less desirable ones--are all part of God's creation. Though I think I'm beginning to understand that the conflict between the human ego and the finding of God may be a rite of passage, it still irks me to even consider that God could create such a cruel predicament.
And what's this talk of not being able to find enlightenment without God? Can a person not come to the same conclusions about life and love without God? Are these feelings really so cryptic? Hidden to the point that communing with God is the only way to understand them? Perhaps any of you can ENLIGHTEN me.(there's that word) True feelings of spiritual enlightenment come from wherever you find them, in many different forms.

Ps. lovely spam by shhheeerreece. Check her out she's got blue hair! :D

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When you have Jesus Christ in your heart His guiding Spirit becomes part of your intuition. :)

Boris,

You know my statment is simple. Jesus Christ is Lord!!! No one is above Him. There is no other right. Ya know, when I have more time, would you like to finish our old chat? It would likely be very good to do so.

Jesus And I Love You Dearly,
ISDAMan

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All I am saying, is that none of you can get inside other people's heads. Therefore, you cannot possibly assert that your own "enlightenment" is somehow superior, deeper, or more fundamental than that of any other individual. If a New Age guru claims to be enlightened, they have just as much of a right to pretend to be more enlightened than any Christian, as that same Christian has in pretending to be more enlightened than any New Age guru. It does not matter what your own "deity" is "telling" you. The other person can make the same mirror claims about <u>their</u> deity. And neither of you is more correct than the other. Because there is simply no way you can be.

There is no "deception" here. It's simply different people choosing to cling to different myths. For someone who does not prefer one myth over any other, it is glaringly obvious that all these myths have an equal standing -- purely because of the fact that all such myths go out of their way not to make any apriori claim about the physical world, which could be empirically refuted.

P.S. ISDAman, could you remind me what chat you are talking about? Thanks.

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[This message has been edited by Boris (edited January 23, 2000).]

Boris,

What Lori is speaking about is a deception which was foretold in the Bible. The New Age message mirrors that deception.

Christian,

I don't want to make a great deal out of this, but this "foretold" deception (i.e. that Jesus Christ is not the "savior") is not a modern phenomenon. Similar claims have been made practically ever since the very inception of Christianity -- for example, by the Jews.

So, the "prediction" simply seems to be a way to lash back at those who dispute any Christian tenet, designating them as "devil's advocates". Notice that much of the New Age religion derives from Hindu and Buddhist ideas, all of which existed at the time of Christ, and were understandably viewed as threatening (or at least undesirably competitive) by the Christians. Therefore, it is easy to see why such herecy-preventing devices as the "prophecies" mentioned by Lori, truestory, et. al. were built into the New Testament from the very start.

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In the OT, Lucifer was referred to as the "Morning Star". Oddly enough, Jesus was referred to the same way in the NT. How can this be? Is it possible they are one and the same?

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Searcher,

Please, point out to me where you found Satan, in the Bible, being called the morning star. I did what must have been an hour long search and could find no such thing. BTW, what Bible are you reading from? It's not JW's or Mormon's is it? I'd be glad to answer if I can read what you are reading.

Place your hands in the nail scarred hands,
ISDAMan

Boris,

There is a lot more to the deception other that stating that Jesus Christ is not the Savior.

ISDAMan,

Check Isaiah 14:12, which, in the NIV, reads:


How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

It does differ somewhat from the KJV, which reads this way:


How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


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Searcher,
So glad to see you back and active in your posts!


In the OT, Lucifer was referred to as the "Morning Star". Oddly enough, Jesus was referred to the same way in the NT. How can this be? Is it possible they are one and the same?

Now THAT is a great question!

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Flash,

Thanks! I do have a little more time on the weekends than I do during the week (it doesn't say much for my social life, does it?) I'm glad to see you're still here too, my friend!

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Searcher,

I will place three translations below and then answer.

Isaiah 14:12 (The New Living Translation)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning! You have been thrown down to the earth, you who destroyed the nations of the world.
Revelation 22:16 (The New Living Translation)
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the bright morning star."
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Isaiah 14:12 (English-NIV)
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Revelation 22:16 (English-NIV)
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
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Isaiah 14:12 (The New King James Version)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
Revelation 22:16 (The New King James Version)
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

Now, this is an example much like the situation in which the Word of God refers to us as little "g" gods. Where as, He is the only big "G" God. In that, He is in no way saying that we have His power or are, in some way, Him. The same type of understanding applies here. We know that both Christ and angels, in the Bible, in some way are referred to as stars. We also know that Satan and the others that followed him are angels. This moniker has an obvious delineation in these two verses. Satan being referred to as "morning star", is also shown as being a son of the dawn/morning. He is sprung forth from someone. Let me say this now for those that might ask, this in no way implies that God had some sort of sexual relationship to produce the angels. The angels are no more or less the sons of God than the average Joe walking down the street. In Revelations, this moniker of "morning star", that has been given to Christ, is first defined in that Christ says of himself that He is the Root,.. the Source. Isaiah chapter 14 shows the end result of Satan. It is obvious that this in no way could also be a reference to Jesus. All of the accounts of Jesus paint an entirely different picture. The stress that you are placing on the moniker of "morning star" needs to be tempered by the perspective of the descriptors of each verse. All was Created by the Word which is Christ. This includes the angels. Moreover, there is even what can best be called a sense of sarcasm regarding Satan in chapter 14 of Isaiah. We see in this chapter how Satan tried to define and raise himself up to Christ's status. Therefore, the "morning star" reference is also something of a smack in the face to Satan. It's clear that he doesn't measure up.

Concerning the word of angels, messengers, aliens, imps, dogs, cats, spirits, men or otherwise, I leave you with this:

Galatians 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any manpreach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

God's Holy Word: Over 1 Billion Served :),
ISDAMan

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JMitch,

Just wanted to mention that my faith came through understanding. So many people that don't understand the faith see it as blind faith. And I would have to say that, no, I don't understand the truth about all there is to know in the universe. And I would also have to say that I think that there are a lot of people who do have blind faith, and that it's usually apparent, causes them to screw up royally all over the place, and reflects a negative light upon the church. Seeking the truth about life and all of it's lessons and joy and pain and about who we really are and what our purpose is, or how to achieve peace in our lives at the very least, led me to Jesus. And not directly. Believe me, I'm not one to leave a stone unturned. I looked everywhere else first, but I swear, in the end, the only thing that really made sense of ALL OF IT was Jesus Christ. Try it, you'll see. I just wasn't going to put up with not knowing and not caring anymore like a lot of people do. Talk about Zombies? It's undeniable. All you have to do is take a good hard honest look.

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I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick.

Lori,

Did you check out your personalized gif yet? It's pretty cool!


<a href="http://users.esc.net.au/~nitro/BBoard_member_gifs/index.htm#L" target=_new>Lori - click here to see what Dave did for you!</a>

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Searcher,

Satan is the fallen morning star that dwells on earth.

Christ is the Bright Morning Star that dwells in heaven.

Searcher,

No way! That is sooooo cute. And I'm so surprisingly flattered. An angel I'm not, but I do try in my own feeble way to walk the walk with a lot of help from Jesus. At this point it's an uphill climb, but it's getting better all the time. Wubbies, Dave! *smooch*

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"Go Jesus, go! Go Jesus, go!"

I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick.

Lori,

Here's another gif for you (lifted from another website, of course):


http://www.arts.arizona.edu/v2/Symboltiny.gif

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Cool Searcher! Thanks! Is that from A.R.M.? The alien resistence movement? I've seen it before somewhere. I need one of those little red circles with the horizontal bar going through a picture of an erect penis. Got one of those? ROFLMAO!!! I crack myself up.

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"Go Jesus, go! Go Jesus, go!"

I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick.

Lori,

I believe it's called "Spread the Word Alien Resistance Movement", and you can find out more about it at this webpage:

http://www.arts.arizona.edu/v2/main.html

As for your other request, maybe you could hit Dave up for that one? Of course, there is a club you might want to check into:

http://www.chiprowe.com/articles/nopenis.html ;)



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