Interestingly I have encountered a very unique experience here at my house. While I was out having a bite to eat for a few hours I came home to find that one of my Kachina dolls was moved ever so slightly from a north/south direction to a east/west direction. Now I know that nothing else was moved except that one Kachina so why did this happen? What would cause a thing like this to take place while I was away but not when I was at home? Since my neighbors didn't see anyone here I wouldn't think that someone came in and moved this piece but they might have if they were a neighbor. Is there other explanations for this sort of weird sort of thing happening? Has anyone else had this happen to them?

After contemplating as to why this was done I figure that someone is getting inside my house after seeing me leave and just looking around for my experiments or other things I've been up to. Since people around here know about my inventiveness I'm sure that they would like to find out what I'm up to and want to steal it if they could. I do believe that any other reason is reasonable but am willing to listen to others here about what they think it might be. :shrug:

How much distance was between it's last known location and where you found it?

Your experiments? :eek:

Questions:

Where is this Kachina from?
What spirit does it depict?
Who made it?
How old is it?
Was it made just for tourists or used for ceremonial/ritual purposes?

Was there any way anyone could have been in and out of your house without forcing an entry?
Is there a serious chance you were mistaken?

...As you can tell, I am willing to look for both the logical and the woo-woo explanations...:rolleyes::D

My tv set once levitated before my very eyes. It started speaking to me in a booming voice. Some language I couldn't understand. I just assumed it was unimportant at the time but now I can see other people are having inexplicable experiences also. Hmmm...

Do you have kids?

Or poltergeists?

I'd be more curious if it was something that was repeatable.

I'd be more curious if it was something that was repeatable.

Nah, I just would not advise facing that doll in a north-south direction again...

In fact, would advise giving it a little cornmeal and some nice tobacco wrapped in something.

Scientists think in one direction; seeking to find repeatable results. Shamans seek to not piss off spirits, among other things.

You can pick which worldview you choose to operate under in this instance...
But if you turn it back looking north-south again to see what happens...
:shrug:

I wouldn't. I'm like that.

I'd also install deadbolts, put jimmy-preventers in the windows, maybe rescue a large, grouchy dog from the pound...

Interestingly I have encountered a very unique experience here at my house. While I was out having a bite to eat for a few hours I came home to find that one of my Kachina dolls was moved ever so slightly from a north/south direction to a east/west direction. Now I know that nothing else was moved except that one Kachina so why did this happen? What would cause a thing like this to take place while I was away but not when I was at home?

The writer you have locked in the spare bedroom while he brings Misery back from the grave has made a lockpick, and is sneaking out while you're out of the house.

:m:

How much distance was between it's last known location and where you found it?

Your experiments? :eek:

It only was turned about 45 degrees as I stated. So it moved only a little and not away from where it is located.

Scientists think in one direction; seeking to find repeatable results. Shamans seek to not piss off spirits, among other things.

A repeatable pissed off spirit...at least some money could be made from that from SyFy channel, if nothing else. I wouldn't hold my breathe.

Questions:

Where is this Kachina from?
What spirit does it depict?
Who made it?
How old is it?
Was it made just for tourists or used for ceremonial/ritual purposes?

Was there any way anyone could have been in and out of your house without forcing an entry?
Is there a serious chance you were mistaken?

...As you can tell, I am willing to look for both the logical and the woo-woo explanations...:rolleyes::D


Where is this Kachina from?

From a friend that gave it to me but I do not know where it was actually made.


What spirit does it depict?

Again I don't know because I wasn't the one who bought it but only the one
who was given it as a gift.


Who made it?

Looks like Navajo.



How old is it?

Recently made within the last 25 years I'd estimate.



Was it made just for tourists or used for ceremonial/ritual purposes?

I don't know. Since my friend gave it to me he never disclosed where he got it from or anything much about it.

A repeatable pissed off spirit...at least some money could be made from that from SyFy channel, if nothing else. I wouldn't hold my breathe.

I'm not trying to make anything but just ascertain what made it turn. Again I think someone was in my house and don't think it was a "spirit" but hey one never knows.

I'd be more curious if it was something that was repeatable.

I won't know since it was turned by someone or something and until it or they return I don't think much about it happening again.

Do you have kids?

No.

I'd be a lot more concerned about the possibility of someone in your house.

Or poltergeists?

I do not believe in such things.

The writer you have locked in the spare bedroom while he brings Misery back from the grave has made a lockpick, and is sneaking out while you're out of the house.

:m:

But I have no locks on my inner doors so he could have easily just walked into the ....oh wait a minute here!

....one of my Kachina dolls was moved ever so slightly from a north/south direction to a east/west direction.


It only was turned about 45 degrees as I stated.


Inconsistencies in the data lead me to suspect that no analysis is possible. :cool:

Aliens have doctored the data!

I'd be a lot more concerned about the possibility of someone in your house.

Exactly my suspicion, but why? :shrug:

Aliens have doctored the data!

But where are they from and why would they do such things?

But where are they from and why would they do such things?
The CIA won't let me tell you. :(

The CIA won't let me tell you. :(

Oh, well tell them they need to watch who they send next time because they just might not get out of the house because of the little suprise that is waiting for them. ;)

They already know. They're watching you as we speak.

They already know. They're watching you as we speak.

I'm protected!

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An ex-coworker installed cut-down machetes on the inside of his windows... such that when you slid the window up, the machete slid down.
One day he came home and found an open window...a finger, and some blood.

So he told me, anyway, and since I take a dim view of thieves, I'd like to believe him. little old ex-special forces trainer guy...
Gosh I miss working with him.:p

Edited to add:

A repeatable pissed off spirit...at least some money could be made from that from SyFy channel, if nothing else

You think that were there a spirit there to offend, it would do something benign the second time you offended it?
The first time serves as the warning...

Is it possible you moved it during dusting and didn't notice it until now?

Is it possible you moved it during dusting and didn't notice it until now?
That's what I'd think were it me.

It's probably just the Phantom Doll Adjuster at work again. This enigmatic figure breaks into houses solely to slightly adjust the positions of dolls, for reasons best known to him or herself.

I do not believe in such things.

That won't stop the poltergeists from moving your furniture though. They believe in YOU!!!

It only was turned about 45 degrees as I stated. So it moved only a little and not away from where it is located.

Ok...
So it probably just sagged or fell over.

Ok...
So it probably just sagged or fell over.

he said it turned 45 degrees or specifically, at the base.

i've had so much weird crap happen to me that i could care less. One night i felt something strange behind me and in the middle of the floor was a small toy santa.

he said it turned 45 degrees or specifically, at the base.

Hmm wait, I thought it was a ragg doll of some kind. Turns out it's a wooden one?
Perhaps he brushed against it without knowing it and then later discovered the consequences.

You could google Kachina doll and go to images in the sidebar. Do you know how to do that?

You could google Kachina doll and go to images in the sidebar. Do you know how to do that?

I did, that's why I now know that it's a wooden doll :rolleyes:

Is it possible you moved it during dusting and didn't notice it until now?

No, because I always pass by that figurine when I leave the house and take notice of them all. There are 4 in that exact spot, each facing a direction, N,S E, W, and I never change their positions.

That won't stop the poltergeists from moving your furniture though. They believe in YOU!!!


You think that were there a spirit there to offend, it would do something benign the second time you offended it?
The first time serves as the warning...

Actually I didn't want to bring this up but about 3 years ago I came home and a table was moved. It was right next to the door so that's why I noticed it because it was in my pathway and it wasn't when I left. I didn't bring this up for thinking that I might have moved the table as I walked by it before I left but that would have moved it away from the path not into the path.

It's probably just the Phantom Doll Adjuster at work again. This enigmatic figure breaks into houses solely to slightly adjust the positions of dolls, for reasons best known to him or herself.

I thought about him but I'd think it would have rather moved some other object that wasn't as noticeable. These Katchina figurines have been made by the Shamen of the tribes and they posses many inner secrets that those Shamen cast into them making them rather powerful to mess with.

Ok...
So it probably just sagged or fell over.

It is made of hard wood from a special tree that is only found on the reservation I'm told. So it won't just fall over for it is made very strong.

Actually I didn't want to bring this up but about 3 years ago I came home and a table was moved. It was right next to the door so that's why I noticed it because it was in my pathway and it wasn't when I left. I didn't bring this up for thinking that I might have moved the table as I walked by it before I left but that would have moved it away from the path not into the path.

i had stuff move around my house by itself once remember?

according to popular belief a hallucination must have occurred while you were out. sorry you missed it. ;)

I'm protected!

You have an upturned nasal passage, for easy access to your hippocampus/lizard.


Interestingly I have encountered a very unique experience here at my house.
If you were serious about experimentation, you would have brought us more data, observation notes, camera monitoring results on the subject.

It is made of hard wood from a special tree that is only found on the reservation I'm told. So it won't just fall over for it is made very strong.
Hey.. you ignored this post:

Hmm wait, I thought it was a ragg doll of some kind. Turns out it's a wooden one?
Perhaps he brushed against it without knowing it and then later discovered the consequences.

..I always pass by that figurine when I leave the house
Hmm..

Hey.. you ignored this post:


Hmm..

No, I saw it but only after I posted what I said, sorry I didn't just delete what I said. :shrug:

You have an upturned nasal passage, for easy access to your hippocampus/lizard.

I'll have to find something to protect that as well, thanks for informing me about my weakness. ;)


If you were serious about experimentation, you would have brought us more data, observation notes, camera monitoring results on the subject

I'm doing that now, I didn't have that equipment before but now I'm buying it to monitor the situation more closely.

No, I saw it but only after I posted what I said, sorry I didn't just delete what I said. :shrug:

Well, is it possible at all? Your coat might have brushed against it, you wouldn't have felt that.

i've had so much weird crap happen to me that i could care less. One night i felt something strange behind me and in the middle of the floor was a small toy santa.

That is scary.

i had stuff move around my house by itself once remember?


I sort of do, but can't remember the entire story. :shrug:

according to popular belief a hallucination must have occurred while you were out. sorry you missed it. ;)

this is funny damnit.


I sort of do, but can't remember the entire story. :shrug:

i was planning to send a letter to someone and i had the letter written on stationary, an open box of envelopes, and a piece of paper with the address i was sending it to sitting on my coffee table. i wanted to send a copy of an old cassette recording i had with the letter, so i ran to the walgreens on the corner to pick up a blank cassette. i was gone for maybe 15 min. when i got back i walked past the coffee table and the piece of paper with the address on it was on the floor. i have a big dog with a big fan tail and 3 cats in the house so i automatically assumed one of them knocked it off the table. but when i picked it up i noticed that the paper was weird looking. on either side of the page where you might hold it if you were reading it, the paper looked, well the best i can describe it is it looked like it had gotten wet and then had dried. it wasn't wet. there were no bite marks or punctures. it wasn't torn. i thought that was weird but whatever, i put the paper back on the table and progressed to the cassette player to make the copy and when i opened it there was already a tape in it. unmarked, and i never use my cassette player so i popped it back in and hit play to see what it was. it was a mix tape a friend of mine left in there a while ago. so i'm sitting on the couch listening to it and the coffee table's right in front of me and that piece of paper began to move. the areas that looked morphed already were continuing to do so, and moving in towards the center of the page, and as it did the corners and the edges of the paper started curling inwards. it was wadding itself up. and then i noticed that the cellophane packaging on the envelopes was shrinking, or it looked like it was. it was becoming striated, and the envelopes began to be pushed out the open end. it went on for several minutes or more i guess.

Thank you for the repost.

Thank you for the repost.

are you one of the people on here who rather arbitrarily believes i hallucinated that?

Am I the only one who's concerned less about the moving of the doll, and more concerned that Coz owns dolls and knows their exact position? :)

Am I the only one who's concerned less about the moving of the doll, and more concerned that Coz owns dolls and knows their exact position? :)

LOL! :D I know what you mean. I've had these Kachina dolls for over 25 years except the one that was moved, it was given to me about 5 years ago. Kachina dolls are very important in the Hopi tribe way of life if you ever read about them. They are highly collectible and are worth a great deal to certain collectors. Men usually make them and Shaman very rarely make them which makes mine worth much more in a spiritual sense.

Maybe the other dolls didn't wanna play with the noob doll and pushed it away. Maybe the noob hit on one of the other dolls and it's lover got angry. Who knows. Any doll psychologists on these forums?

Maybe the other dolls didn't wanna play with the noob doll and pushed it away. Maybe the noob hit on one of the other dolls and it's lover got angry. Who knows. Any doll psychologists on these forums?

A Kachina war! LOL! I don't think so, after all they were made by Native Americans and were supposed to bring good fortune to those who made them or who owns them.

Men usually make them and Shaman very rarely make them which makes mine worth much more in a spiritual sense.

So ALL your kachina were made by shaman?

Just some of them? Just this one?

Found any evidence of anyone getting in your house yet?

Did you turn the doll back to face the original direction?

Was it facing east or west? not just east-west direction...east OR west?

What color is it?

What animals/birds are it's decorations made of?

What are its' hands holding?

LOL! :D I know what you mean. I've had these Kachina dolls for over 25 years except the one that was moved, it was given to me about 5 years ago. Kachina dolls are very important in the Hopi tribe way of life if you ever read about them. They are highly collectible and are worth a great deal to certain collectors. Men usually make them and Shaman very rarely make them which makes mine worth much more in a spiritual sense.

Coz, you know I was pulling your chain. You are my friend...I was just fucking with you.

Coz, you know I was pulling your chain. You are my friend...I was just fucking with you.

I knew that but do you want to buy a Kachina doll for your own now? ;)

I knew that but do you want to buy a Kachina doll for your own now? ;)

are you joking here? i mean, you're winking but, aren't you also insinuating that the doll is freaking you out? or what happened to it is bothering you? is this thread a joke? i mean you tell me (you started the thread), are you concerned or intrigued? i can't tell. i'm a little confused about what you think happened and whether you care or not, and it seems like you're being a little evasive, so i'll ask you more questions, since you didn't like the one i asked in post #51. i'm sorry i can't remember exactly what your views are regarding the supernatural or spiritual things and i can't really tell by what you've posted in this thread; perhaps you could clarify. i'm pretty sure you stated that you didn't believe in "such things" as ghosts. does that mean spirits of all types? you mentioned that the dolls have spiritual significance. do you really believe that, or are you just recognizing that some people believe that but not you?

what do you think happened? do you really think that someone broke into your home, with no signs of forced entry, just to fuck with you? who would do that? who could do that? you've suggested that someone may have been snooping to steal your ideas, but if someone was really a thief, and they knew enough about the dolls to use them to fuck with you, why in the hell wouldn't they have stolen them?

I suspect swamp gas.

what do you think happened? do you really think that someone broke into your home, with no signs of forced entry, just to fuck with you? who would do that? who could do that? you've suggested that someone may have been snooping to steal your ideas, but if someone was really a thief, and they knew enough about the dolls to use them to fuck with you, why in the hell wouldn't they have stolen them?

As my other posts said, I think that someone came in while I was gone but now I have taken steps to suprise anyone who enters my home without my permission to see to it they won't ever be able to that again.

Why would someone come into your home and move one small item.

They didn't. They left that one item exactly where it had always been and rotated the entire house (and world) round it.

They didn't. They left that one item exactly where it had always been and rotated the entire house (and world) round it.

Best reply. Now you should be worried.

As my other posts said, I think that someone came in while I was gone but now I have taken steps to suprise anyone who enters my home without my permission to see to it they won't ever be able to that again.


Why would someone come into your home and move one small item.

i want to know this too. do you have someone in mind that would do this? is there a way into your place without having to force your way in? if there's not then how is it you think they got in without leaving any evidence besides the doll being moved? and why in the hell did they move the doll? who would do that? and why in the hell am i asking the same questions i already have? why can't you answer my questions?

listen, i don't know what kind of friends you have, or what kind of people you think are going to extremes to mess with you, but from where i am, the supernatural sounds like a more plausible explanation than what you're suggesting. i'm sorry, but it just sounds ridiculous.

but from where i am, the supernatural sounds like a more plausible explanation than what you're suggesting. i'm sorry, but it just sounds ridiculous.

That the default solution would be supernatural is ridiculous. It's about as likely as Dyw's satirical solution.

That the default solution would be supernatural is ridiculous. It's about as likely as Dyw's satirical solution.

no it's not.

unless there's a really easy way into his home, and unless he knows of some really unusual person who would do such a bizarre thing, i'm sorry, it just doesn't add up.

Alright, we'll play this game.

What supernatural force then? Jesus? Poltergeists? Mayan spirits? Loki?

How about a temporal rip in space-time? Not spooky enough probably.

no it's not.

unless there's a really easy way into his home, and unless he knows of some really unusual person who would do such a bizarre thing, i'm sorry, it just doesn't add up.

The most ligical explanatin is he didnt notice the object for a long time and then when he looked at it is was moved from where he would normally had, and did position it. This most likely was due to someone in his home, with him knowing it, looked at the object and observed the object and at the same time moving said object. Only he didnt see this happen and he hadnt noticed the object since that happened.

Nah, supernatural is more likely.

That the default solution would be supernatural is ridiculous. It's about as likely as Dyw's satirical solution.
Satirical? Moi?


no it's not.
Of course it is.
There IS NO EVIDENCE FOR THE SUPERNATURAL.
To claim it's the most "plausible" explanation is ridiculous to the point of insanity.

The most ligical explanatin is he didnt notice the object for a long time and then when he looked at it is was moved from where he would normally had, and did position it. This most likely was due to someone in his home, with him knowing it, looked at the object and observed the object and at the same time moving said object. Only he didnt see this happen and he hadnt noticed the object since that happened.

only he knows whether that's a plausible explanation, and if he doesn't tell us i guess we'll never know. i know however, that if i visited someone's home, and they had collectible dolls situated a particular way and on display, i sure as hell wouldn't touch them or move them. it's not like they're dolls that you play with.

Of course it is.
There IS NO EVIDENCE FOR THE SUPERNATURAL.
To claim it's the most "plausible" explanation is ridiculous to the point of insanity.

don't you fucking tell me there's no evidence for the supernatural when i've sat and watched the shit go down right in front of my eyes. the only reason you think that's ridiculous is because you don't believe in the supernatural.

what's ridiculous is that he's gone so far as to booby trap his place, but he can't, or won't, answer the questions i've asked him.

seriously. who in the hell would do what he's suggesting was done? it's ridiculous.

Lets hope not.

you don't believe in the supernatural.

Bingo.

just as a disclaimer, i absolutely believe the natural can be even more bizarre than the supernatural at times. if i had to pick my own most bizarre experience it would be a natural one, and not the supernatural one i described in this thread or any other one i've experienced.

the only reason you think that's ridiculous is because you don't believe in the supernatural.
And guess why I don't...
Because there's no evidence for it.

unless there's a really easy way into his home, and unless he knows of some really unusual person who would do such a bizarre thing, i'm sorry, it just doesn't add up.

There's not much needed to get into my house, I really am not that concerned living here in Key West because most everyone knows each other however there are a few residents that no one knows that live very close by. As I said I come up with ideas and perhaps someone wanted to try and steal some of them from my PC that I keep them in. Since I was gone over 2 hours someone could have entered, downloaded then left without me knowing it BUT they left a calling card just to show me that they can get in whenever they want without me knowing about it. But I never suspected a supernatural being to be responsible but since I didn't understand the reason I thought this area was best to address this bizarre happening.

That said today I bought a few new items that should eliminate any further illegal entry into my home. Motion sensors are interesting things to use to do all sorts of stuff with. ;)

There's not much needed to get into my house, I really am not that concerned living here in Key West because most everyone knows each other however there are a few residents that no one knows that live very close by. As I said I come up with ideas and perhaps someone wanted to try and steal some of them from my PC that I keep them in. Since I was gone over 2 hours someone could have entered, downloaded then left without me knowing it BUT they left a calling card just to show me that they can get in whenever they want without me knowing about it. But I never suspected a supernatural being to be responsible but since I didn't understand the reason I thought this area was best to address this bizarre happening.

That said today I bought a few new items that should eliminate any further illegal entry into my home. Motion sensors are interesting things to use to do all sorts of stuff with. ;)

well no offense but, it still seems like a colossal stretch, to the point of paranoia i think perhaps. i don't know. i'll be interested to know how the motion detectors work out.

also, i think this rules out your theory john99, as he mentions that he was gone for over 2 hours, implying that he must have noticed the dolls in the correct position just prior to leaving, and noticed the doll had been moved upon his return.

And guess why I don't...
Because there's no evidence for it.

guess what? there's also absolutely no evidence for what he's suggesting either.

It was more than likely Virgil Chase's Mother . I summoned her when I spoke Virgil's name on another thread. Yeah Way. When I said
"Virgil the turtle's Greathouse. That would make a Kachina move. His mother could lift objects 4 men could not move. She would say some words and pick stuff up when she needed to. More like clicks instead of words. Virgil has it in him too, he is just not quite sure how to do it yet. I a gonna go see what tribe Virgil was from again

Why would someone come into your home and move one small item.

So he would know that Saquasohuh kichina dances when Him starts to take off the mask. Virgil Chase tribe is Mandan Hidatsa Sioux and his family has the power of prayer as there gift. Red Bear was his Grandmother

Alright, we'll play this game.

What supernatural force then? Jesus? Poltergeists? Mayan spirits? Loki?

How about a temporal rip in space-time? Not spooky enough probably.

i don't really like the term supernatural. or i don't get it perhaps. if something exists then it's natural. we just don't understand everything that's natural is all.

i don't know what moved his doll, but after what i've seen happen in my own living room, vs what i've heard regarding cosmic's possible (?) explanation, i'm inclined to think that it's probably not a human messing with cosmic, at least not in any conventional way known to people like us.

i don't know what was manipulating that stationary on my coffee table that day. all i know is that i sat there and watched it happen, and i wasn't doing it. there was no one else there, that i could see anyway. there was no wind or heat or moisture or light or any force i could identify that was causing it to happen. but something was obviously causing it to happen. :shrug:

i'd love to know what cosmic would do if he was to actually witness his little doll getting turned around "all by itself". what would you do then cosmic?

Hopefully take a video.

And Lori, you're right...if it affects the natural world, then it can't be supernatural. Which would lead one to believe that all things that happen do for some explainable, natural reason.

We just don't have enough info here.

Hopefully take a video.

And Lori, you're right...if it affects the natural world, then it can't be supernatural. Which would lead one to believe that all things that happen do for some explainable, natural reason.

We just don't have enough info here.

yes. not like most people have a camera handy to anticipate something like that. i certainly did not anticipate it. and i don't own a video camera. also, at the time i'm assuming that the show was for me. it didn't cross my mind to record it for anyone else to see or even for myself. i had other things on my mind at that time like "why is this happening? how is this happening? what does it mean?", and focusing on it visually; observing it. it was amazing. i wouldn't have stopped watching it to get a video camera. no way.

so cosmic, you should set up a video camera too, in addition to the motion sensors. you may want to invest in a dime bag to stash somewhere too, in case you end up seeing something you're not entirely prepared for. it might help calm you down. ;)

so cosmic, you should set up a video camera too, in addition to the motion sensors. you may want to invest in a dime bag to stash somewhere too, in case you end up seeing something you're not entirely prepared for. it might help calm you down

As I have said, I have taken steps to make certain that whoever comes in again will be more surprised than I am. I don't get excited over little stuff, but they will most certainly get very excited when they return again. No where have I said anything about worrying about this strange thing going on , only discussing what went on in a rational way to ask if there might be another answer to what happened, but alas no one here has come up with anything new that would direct me into believing that a supernatural occurrence happened but instead only bolstered my suspicions about someone entering my house without permission.

Could just be old age.

Could just be old age.

I'm old you young whippersnapper, but I ain't senile yet! :itold:

but I ain't senile yet! :itold:


If you were, how would you know?:o

Hopefully take a video.

And Lori, you're right...if it affects the natural world, then it can't be supernatural. Which would lead one to believe that all things that happen do for some explainable, natural reason.

We just don't have enough info here.

Vibrational resonance . It starts with movement with your finger. You send a thought down to your finger and sent it off with a kiss. The next people that picks up the thought transmission adds vibration to it. The original idea has to be viable though . So you start with a single viable thought . Convey that thought and the thought is conveyed to many if viable and that many covey to many more and exponentially the resonance occurs. Hypnoses don't hurt either . People that agree with the act will run hard with the suggestion . Yeah way . They will make it happen. That is what people do. They make things happen. I call it " Extra Natural" or natural plus natural. It is the circle of life. Dependency !!!

If you were, how would you know?:o

I talk to myself everyday, if I don't answer myself back then I'm in trouble! :D

Well, I wish they would have come in last night. Just opening the door seems very chicken of them. I speculate they saw the device I put in and they did not want to venture in any farther. I wish they would have, they wouldn't have been here today! ;)

Well, I wish they would have come in last night. Just opening the door seems very chicken of them. I speculate they saw the device I put in and they did not want to venture in any farther. I wish they would have, they wouldn't have been here today! ;)

so you came home last night and your door was open? is the device apparent from the door?

so you came home last night and your door was open? is the device apparent from the door?

No, I woke up this AM and found the door unlocked. They didn't come in because the device would have gone off I've set up. A little strange they didn't just step into the room, just a little ways. :mad:

No, I woke up this AM and found the door unlocked. They didn't come in because the device would have gone off I've set up. A little strange they didn't just step into the room, just a little ways. :mad:

how did they see the device? if they had opened the door would the device have gone off, even if they hadn't stepped in yet?

btw, you don't have some horror movie style booby trap set up do you? nobody's going to get decapitated or impaled if they do come in are they?

I was following this thread while I was banned, first of all you have some wierd voodoo dolls in your house which I find strange. secondly if you want to get rid of any spirits then I can remove them for you if you like and teach you how.


Master of the Jinns

peace.

I was following this thread while I was banned, first of all you have some wierd voodoo dolls in your house which I find strange. secondly if you want to get rid of any spirits then I can remove them for you if you like and teach you how.


Master of the Jinns

peace.

if you've followed the thread you know that he doesn't believe in "such things", and instead believes that some apparently masterful yet psycho neighbor is fucking with his head.

i think that sounds a little far out, like a james bond movie. i mean, unless cosmic's in the cia or a spy or something himself, i'm just not buying it.

if you've followed the thread you know that he doesn't believe in "such things", and instead believes that some apparently masterful yet psycho neighbor is fucking with his head.

i think that sounds a little far out, like a james bond movie.

Nay he just doesn't want to admit infront of the Atheists that he thinks spirits are real, one simple observation confirms this, he posted this thread in the pseudoscience sub forum ^_^. this indicates he believes it to be something of the super-natural and not of the conventional realm of "goings on".

Maybe somebody who has mastered ninpo and the art of ninjutsu broke in and changed the position of a single doll then left, we all know Shinobi love to do stuff like that :o


Peace be with you person of the book ^^

Aooduu Bilaheman nash Shaytanir Rajeem. Bismillah ahr rahmahr nir raheem.

Aooduu Bilaheman nash Shaytanir Rajeem. Bismillah ahr rahmahr nir raheem.
English please..

Meaning:
I seek refuge with Allah from the accursed Satan. In the name of God, most Gracious, most Compassionate.

Nay he just doesn't want to admit infront of the Atheists that he thinks spirits are real, one simple observation confirms this, he posted this thread in the pseudoscience sub forum ^_^. this indicates he believes it to be something of the super-natural and not of the conventional realm of "goings on".
Er, no. If you bother to read he thinks it was an intruder.

English please..

Meaning:
I seek refuge with Allah from the accursed Satan. In the name of God, most Gracious, most Compassionate.

Are there forum rules that I have to type in english?, (There might be im un-sure)

Are there forum rules that I have to type in english?, (There might be im un-sure)

Not that I'm aware of, but it's just good manners to write in English.

Er, no. If you bother to read he thinks it was an intruder.

If he thought it was an intruder why is this thread in the Pseudoscience sub-forum?. What is Pseudo about breaking and entering? would't that be in the Ethics, Morality and Justice sub forum based under a breaking and entering Law?. or better yet "free thoughts"

Not that I'm aware of, but it's just good manners to write in English.

It's not my fault you don't understand Arabic.

It's not my fault you don't understand Arabic.
In the future, when dealing with you, I will match my attitude with yours.
Have a nice day.

If he thought it was an intruder why is this thread in the Pseudoscience sub-forum?. What is Pseudo about breaking and entering? would't that be in the Ethics, Morality and Justice sub forum based under a breaking and entering Law?. or better yet "free thoughts"

Because when I found the object that moved in the OP I was only trying to guess which forum would be more appropriate to put it in. I figured that whoever was in charge of this forum would move it themselves if they saw it wasn't meant to be put here. I agree with you that "free thoughts" was my first intention but then I changed my mind and posted here instead. Moving objects can be considered by many to be a paranormal activity just because you may think otherwise. As I stated, I think it was someone playing very dangerous games within my home and one day they might just get a very strong message about their criminal ways.

It's not my fault you don't understand Arabic.

In the whole world there are about 20 percent of the inhabitants, at best, that speak Arabic. So the rest of us speak many other languages but it seems that English is primarily the host language for everyone to understand and use.

i don't really like the term supernatural. or i don't get it perhaps. if something exists then it's natural. we just don't understand everything that's natural is all.

i don't know what moved his doll, but after what i've seen happen in my own living room, vs what i've heard regarding cosmic's possible (?) explanation, i'm inclined to think that it's probably not a human messing with cosmic, at least not in any conventional way known to people like us.

i don't know what was manipulating that stationary on my coffee table that day. all i know is that i sat there and watched it happen, and i wasn't doing it. there was no one else there, that i could see anyway. there was no wind or heat or moisture or light or any force i could identify that was causing it to happen. but something was obviously causing it to happen. :shrug:

It has to be a person screwing with me. One day they wll find themselves on the other end of the suprise. ;)

i'd love to know what cosmic would do if he was to actually witness his little doll getting turned around "all by itself". what would you do then cosmic?

I'd believe that the doll moved then. If I see it move, then I will only say that the Kachina moved but no other object did.

I was following this thread while I was banned, first of all you have some wierd voodoo dolls in your house which I find strange. secondly if you want to get rid of any spirits then I can remove them for you if you like and teach you how.


Master of the Jinns

peace.

They are not "voodoo" they are sacred Katchina dolls made by Shamen for the most part which were made from a natural growing tree where they lived.

how did they see the device? if they had opened the door would the device have gone off, even if they hadn't stepped in yet?

btw, you don't have some horror movie style booby trap set up do you? nobody's going to get decapitated or impaled if they do come in are they?

LOL! No, not at all, I've set up something that will "capture" them then cause a bit of a thing to happen to show them how lucky they are. ;)

In the future, when dealing with you, I will match my attitude with yours.
Have a nice day.

Well don't tell me which language to post in then,

your a Mod so when you tell somebody to stop doing something I assume it's against forum policy. but no it turns out it isn't it's just against your "personal preference".

If you find it rude for me telling you "No ile post in what language I like" then get sensitive about it and go cry in the mod forums or something.

You have a pleasant day too good sir.

*Winks*

In the whole world there are about 20 percent of the inhabitants, at best, that speak Arabic. So the rest of us speak many other languages but it seems that English is primarily the host language for everyone to understand and use.

Mhm, what's your point? I posted a single Line of arabic text. You got a problem with that?

Well don't tell me which language to post in then,

your a Mod so when you tell somebody to stop doing something I assume it's against forum policy. but no it turns out it isn't it's just against your "personal preference".

If you find it rude for me telling you "No ile post in what language I like" then get sensitive about it and go cry in the mod forums or something.

You have a pleasant day too good sir.

*Winks*

I'd like to understand what you say but I don't read Arabic so be considerate of those who can't read Arabic and write in English as you know how to convey your thoughts and opinions. Thanks. :)

They are not "voodoo" they are sacred Katchina dolls made by Shamen for the most part which were made from a natural growing tree where they lived.

Oh I see Shamans making wooden dolls with magical spells, yup that's not woo woo like voo doo dolls.

What's the difference? it's all hocus pokas mumbo jumbo magic spells wizards, shamans, Juju men.

LOL @ "Sacred" it's a wooden dolly dude.

I'd like to understand what you say but I don't read Arabic so be considerate of those who can't read Arabic and write in English as you know how to convey your thoughts and opinions. Thanks. :)


Uhm No?

Oh I see Shamans making wooden dolls with magical spells, yup that's not woo woo like voo doo dolls.

What's the difference? it's all hocus pokas mumbo jumbo magic spells wizards, shamans, Juju men.

LOL @ "Sacred" it's a wooden dolly dude.

A kachina can represent anything in the natural world or cosmos, from a revered ancestor to an element, a location, a quality, a natural phenomenon, or a concept. There are more than 400 different kachinas in Hopi and Pueblo culture. The local pantheon of kachinas varies in each pueblo community; there may be kachinas for the sun, stars, thunderstorms, wind, corn, insects, and many other concepts. Kachinas are understood as having humanlike relationships; they may have uncles, sisters, and grandmothers, and may marry and have children. Although not worshipped, each is viewed as a powerful being who, if given veneration and respect, can use their particular power for human good, bringing rainfall, healing, fertility, or protection, for example.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Kachina_dolls.jpg/240px-Kachina_dolls.jpg

A kachina can represent anything in the natural world or cosmos, from a revered ancestor to an element, a location, a quality, a natural phenomenon, or a concept. There are more than 400 different kachinas in Hopi and Pueblo culture. The local pantheon of kachinas varies in each pueblo community; there may be kachinas for the sun, stars, thunderstorms, wind, corn, insects, and many other concepts. Kachinas are understood as having humanlike relationships; they may have uncles, sisters, and grandmothers, and may marry and have children. Although not worshipped, each is viewed as a powerful being who, if given veneration and respect, can use their particular power for human good, bringing rainfall, healing, fertility, or protection, for example.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Kachina_dolls.jpg/240px-Kachina_dolls.jpg


...................... Dude...and you actualy believe this crap?. these dolls can't do nothing lol ile break them with my axe. they are wooden dolly's , not magical little people.

Did you seriously just tell me that these little wooden dolls get married and have children. Dude...... they are pieces of wood they cant get married, they can't have children and they dont have magical powers.


>_>

Wait i think I see Bilbo Baggins in my back garden, let me go smoke some pipe weed with him and then we can go visit the elves of rivendale.


*skips off in a gay manner and dances with the magical pixies*

...................... Dude...and you actualy believe this crap?. these dolls can't do nothing lol ile break them with my axe. they are wooden dolly's , not magical little people.

Did you seriously just tell me that these little wooden dolls get married and have children. Dude...... they are pieces of wood they cant get married, they can't have children and they dont have magical powers.


>_>

I don't but they do. You believe in your "God" don't you?

I don't but they do. You believe in your "God" don't you?


What does god have to do with your collection of dolly's?, you are the one who posted about how they have magical powers and can have babies, you said they are sacred aswell lol. how am I supposed to know what parts you believe and which parts you dont. :shrug:

I gave an honest reply first of all I even tried to help you out by typing a transliterated version of the purification prayer before Surah Al fatiha so that you could read it out loud and actualy rid yourself of anything negative there.

But you didn't seem to care so then Im telling you what your wooden dolls are, just that girls play toys.

meh

What does god have to do with your collection of dolly's?, you are the one who posted about how they have magical powers and can have babies, you said they are sacred aswell lol. how am I supposed to know what parts you believe and which parts you dont. :shrug:

I gave an honest reply first of all I even tried to help you out by typing a transliterated version of the purification prayer before Surah Al fatiha so that you could read it out loud and actualy rid yourself of anything negative there.

But you didn't seem to care so then Im telling you what your wooden dolls are, just that girls play toys.

meh

Because we all have different beliefs and respecting others beliefs are what I strive to do. Do you as well?

I'd believe that the doll moved then. If I see it move, then I will only say that the Kachina moved but no other object did.

what would you speculate made it move then? factoring in the table and the unlocked door i assume...

cosmic,

i wanna know about the door. i know they unlocked the door, but i'm assuming they didn't open it, or it would have set off the motion detector, is that correct? and if they didn't open the door, how do you think they saw the device?

cosmic,

i wanna know about the door. i know they unlocked the door, but i'm assuming they didn't open it, or it would have set off the motion detector, is that correct? and if they didn't open the door, how do you think they saw the device?

You know they could have seen through the WINDOW that's on the door. :D

cosmic,

i wanna know about the door. i know they unlocked the door, but i'm assuming they didn't open it, or it would have set off the motion detector, is that correct? and if they didn't open the door, how do you think they saw the device?

They didn't come in, only unlocked the door. The motion dectector doesn't activate until it senses a movement and its sensivtivity setting is at a high level now. That means it would take alot of movement to set it off.

Well don't tell me which language to post in then,

your a Mod so when you tell somebody to stop doing something I assume it's against forum policy. but no it turns out it isn't it's just against your "personal preference".

If you find it rude for me telling you "No ile post in what language I like" then get sensitive about it and go cry in the mod forums or something.

You have a pleasant day too good sir.

*Winks*
Chi , How did you get to be such a rebel rouser . I think you must like conflict . Me personally I respect my authority . Well to a degree anyway . Mods are your friend Chi. Bite the hand My Man

Oh I see Shamans making wooden dolls with magical spells, yup that's not woo woo like voo doo dolls.

What's the difference? it's all hocus pokas mumbo jumbo magic spells wizards, shamans, Juju men.

LOL @ "Sacred" it's a wooden dolly dude.

I would not mock the ways of the Hopi if I was you . It is going to come down to there way or the highway for humanity as a whole and that is not Vodue. It is called energy conservation and respect for the environment you live in.
Masaaw might get you and shake you good if your not careful

Wait i think I see Bilbo Baggins in my back garden, let me go smoke some pipe weed with him and then we can go visit the elves of rivendale.


*skips off in a gay manner and dances with the magical pixies*

Empty Force you mock Me. Pixie dust is real. You just have to know how to use it to benefit Humanity. Short term pain for long term gain my friend . You think the Hopi don't have the truth well you are wrong. The Hopi know my spirit well . They could see Me coming better than most . You don't seem to know so I will tell you . My Christian name is Mike Greathouse Bro and I was born on May the 3rd the day Constantine's Mother found the true cross. They may al sound Like a coinkidink to the nay Sayers , but you couple that with what the Hopi Prophesies and you might start to wonder . The Prophesies says " The Leaders of the world will come the the Great House of Mica" No big deal just more coincidences. Yet last week when I got the call that Bill Glinton read Me and the Music Professors proposal on relief efforts for Haiti ( Say it out loud people) Wood for Haiti!!! You got to wonder why X Presidents are reading a Country Bumpkins world salvation action plan and giving a thumbs up to continue working . Would that be like one of the world leaders the Hopi talk about . I don't know you tell Me . You know it is written that God will walk with you and He will sing for you . I hope the F--ck that is true, because I am f--cking sick of being a social slave and I needs to follow my own dream of being the musician I was meant to be. So I guess I have to save the f--cking world so I can mother fuckers . Shit life is hard and complicated

You know they could have seen through the WINDOW that's on the door. :D

is the device obvious if you look through the window on the door?

is the device obvious if you look through the window on the door?

Well it does have lights on it to show its operating correctly and they can nbe seen rather easily. That's why they didn't come in I believe.

Well it does have lights on it to show its operating correctly and they can nbe seen rather easily. That's why they didn't come in I believe.

ok, so it's safe to say you're not in the cia or a spy. :D

Cosmictraveler said:
we all have different beliefs and respecting others beliefs are what I strive to do. Do you as well?

I don't think Chi does...that's the dark side of an evangelical.

Because an evangelical is saying "My belief is superior to your belief(or lack thereof)," every time he or she tries to convert.
Chi tries to convert all the time here, so...Chi's actions say no.

That's why I find evangelism offensive.

I don't think Chi does...that's the dark side of an evangelical.

Because an evangelical is saying "My belief is superior to your belief(or lack thereof)," every time he or she tries to convert.
Chi tries to convert all the time here, so...Chi's actions say no.

That's why I find evangelism offensive.

I noticed that he never answered my post as well. I would consider that since he was banned that when he returns he might answer my questions but I won't hold my breath.

Interestingly I have encountered a very unique experience here at my house. While I was out having a bite to eat for a few hours I came home to find that one of my Kachina dolls was moved ever so slightly from a north/south direction to a east/west direction. Now I know that nothing else was moved except that one Kachina so why did this happen? What would cause a thing like this to take place while I was away but not when I was at home? Since my neighbors didn't see anyone here I wouldn't think that someone came in and moved this piece but they might have if they were a neighbor. Is there other explanations for this sort of weird sort of thing happening? Has anyone else had this happen to them?

After contemplating as to why this was done I figure that someone is getting inside my house after seeing me leave and just looking around for my experiments or other things I've been up to. Since people around here know about my inventiveness I'm sure that they would like to find out what I'm up to and want to steal it if they could. I do believe that any other reason is reasonable but am willing to listen to others here about what they think it might be. :shrug:

LOL, I do that to my husband all the time. He has OCD and is a counter. When he pisses me off, I take something off the wall. He will count and recount trying to figure out what is missing. He goes to the bathroom and I put it back.
I'm going to hell

LOL, I do that to my husband all the time. He has OCD and is a counter. When he pisses me off, I take something off the wall. He will count and recount trying to figure out what is missing. He goes to the bathroom and I put it back.
I'm going to hell

No, you will only be pissed off and end up in limbo. :p

LOL, better start practicing my limbo dancing then

LOL, better start practicing my limbo dancing then

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBsQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9jk owBtwnHM&ei=mLC8TdugH4Hx0gHT2KXdBQ&usg=AFQjCNGAAcF87YX5fk6EP7zzqBqXE_CroA

LOL, I do that to my husband all the time. He has OCD and is a counter. When he pisses me off, I take something off the wall. He will count and recount trying to figure out what is missing. He goes to the bathroom and I put it back.
I'm going to hell
You and my wife , Bad Orleander

You and my wife , Bad Orleander

:shy:, yeah, I know

Because we all have different beliefs and respecting others beliefs are what I strive to do. Do you as well?

Respecting somebody's belief doesn't mean I wont refute falsehood.

peace

Interestingly I have encountered a very unique experience here at my house. While I was out having a bite to eat for a few hours I came home to find that one of my Kachina dolls was moved ever so slightly from a north/south direction to a east/west direction. Now I know that nothing else was moved except that one Kachina so why did this happen? What would cause a thing like this to take place while I was away but not when I was at home? Since my neighbors didn't see anyone here I wouldn't think that someone came in and moved this piece but they might have if they were a neighbor. Is there other explanations for this sort of weird sort of thing happening? Has anyone else had this happen to them?

After contemplating as to why this was done I figure that someone is getting inside my house after seeing me leave and just looking around for my experiments or other things I've been up to. Since people around here know about my inventiveness I'm sure that they would like to find out what I'm up to and want to steal it if they could. I do believe that any other reason is reasonable but am willing to listen to others here about what they think it might be. :shrug:

I carried forward the original post, to comment on the moving Kachina doll. Without reading every single post, I may be repeating an explanation raised by someone else. If so, I apologize.

When heavy equipment is working on the road, even though we are over 100 yards back from the lane and our house is built of 8 ' logs on a poured concrete footing, the vibration is sufficient sometimes to cause small movements of objects on the table or counter top. Also, if an object is placed upon even a grain or two of spilled sugar or salt, it can be sufficient to allow small movement of the object if there are vibrations from movement within or without the building. We also experience earth tremors on occasion, so any of these could also be an explanation.

I once watch a glass on the counter beside me perform a most unusual movement, caused by the surface tension of a bit of moisture between the glass and the surface it was sitting on. Pretty trippy when you are standing right beside it and no one else around, lol...:eek:

Just to add an intriging twist to the possibilities.
read somewhere: "Commonly when one is "possessed" by a spirit in a way that is comprehensive the memory of what happens whilst possessed is no available to the original body owner."
In medical science they refer to this as a rare "multiple personality disorder" where one personality has no recollection of the others activities when in control.

Just a possibility that the "spirit" of the doll has an affinity with you and is attempting to say so....by demonstarting it's ability to exert significant influence by getting your body to turn it's symbolic doll, 45degrees. IN my language "an object inspired emmulation"
Certainly not Telekinetic is the feeling I get...
It would be interesting to note details like which direction it was facing relative to the other dolls. And what the doll ended up looking at or pointing to. Stuff like that...

I carried forward the original post, to comment on the moving Kachina doll. Without reading every single post, I may be repeating an explanation raised by someone else. If so, I apologize.

When heavy equipment is working on the road, even though we are over 100 yards back from the lane and our house is built of 8 ' logs on a poured concrete footing, the vibration is sufficient sometimes to cause small movements of objects on the table or counter top. Also, if an object is placed upon even a grain or two of spilled sugar or salt, it can be sufficient to allow small movement of the object if there are vibrations from movement within or without the building. We also experience earth tremors on occasion, so any of these could also be an explanation.

I once watch a glass on the counter beside me perform a most unusual movement, caused by the surface tension of a bit of moisture between the glass and the surface it was sitting on. Pretty trippy when you are standing right beside it and no one else around, lol...:eek:

your not Morris . That is good. He has 10' logs . We had a earthquake outside of Dillon Montana several years ago which is rare. My wife had never been in an earthquake and thought she was experiencing a poltergeist