HI,

I simply was wanting to find out something here. If we can say that it is possible to have a basis for all philosophies. Not quite a basis, as is, rather the basis that isn't a base. I have been reading Sartre's "existentialisism is a humanism" every now and then, and working on my life a bit myself;

And, was wondering, for myself if we say it, that if for the person, a base for philosophy is what?

I mean, this of course considers po- mo ism, nothing matters really, and all of these things....

and that a "basis for all other philosophy(z)??" is actually that their isn't a base?

What do you make of this, for the individual?......

HI!

Mert grolfump es teh slotish trumph. Fert, mi guanicle ho bomo. If su dawgrap wet thwapingly, contragis un polarized?

Cogstrudle...

HI,

I simply was wanting to find out something here. If we can say that it is possible to have a basis for all philosophies. Not quite a basis, as is, rather the basis that isn't a base. I have been reading Sartre's "existentialisism is a humanism" every now and then, and working on my life a bit myself;

And, was wondering, for myself if we say it, that if for the person, a base for philosophy is what?

I mean, this of course considers po- mo ism, nothing matters really, and all of these things....

and that a "basis for all other philosophy(z)??" is actually that their isn't a base?

What do you make of this, for the individual?......

Very sorry, Brent. But just as Superluminal's response indicated, a lot of your posts - including this one - are so jumbled/scrambled that no one can really tell what you're even talking about. You need to put a little more effort into constructing sentences that people can follow.

"nothing"... superluminal :D
Woa! What did you say??

This can of course include "seeks perception of reality", all kinds of things.. sort a thread. So, what the hell did you say?

Okay for the indivual, is there a basis for philosophy? Seeking - perception; such and relations... do you understand what i'm trying to get to???

Very sorry, Brent. But just as Superluminal's response indicated, a lot of your posts - including this one - are so jumbled/scrambled that no one can really tell what you're even talking about. You need to put a little more effort into constructing sentences that people can follow.
Of course there's one idea! To work on constructing sentences; a good one!

So we have one:

1:constructing sentences
:D See what i'm trying to say??

Of course there's one idea! To work on constructing sentences; a good one!

So we have one:

1:constructing sentences
:D See what i'm trying to say??
Very well, then. Number 2 should be that if you are unable to communicate clearly, then people will have no idea of what your saying OR what you are looking for.So try harder.

Very well, then. Number 2 should be that if you are unable to communicate clearly, then people will have no idea of what your saying OR what you are looking for.So try harder.
That's a good one too.

I'm kinda wondering about life in this thread. What it means and shit. But of course it has to do with the idea of philosophy as an "invisible context" invading in peoples lifes.

Ie, the "basis" of philosophy is it clear or can you help me make it more clear?

Is there something i am not saying, that you have any idea about?

I think you're asking why do we need 'philosophy'

maybe this will help

Quoted from web

"Why Does Anyone Need a Philosophy?
Answered by William Thomas


You have no choice about the necessity to integrate your observations, your experiences, your knowledge into abstract ideas, i.e., into principles. Your only choice is whether these principles are true or false, whether they represent your conscious, rational convictions—or a grab-bag of notions snatched at random, whose sources, validity, and consequences you do not know, notions which, more often than not, you would drop like a hot potato if you knew.
—Ayn Rand, Philosophy, Who Needs It (p. 5)
Everyone has a philosophy, even if we cannot express it in words.

We either act as if our eternal salvation depends on following the mandates of scripture, or we don't. We feel the need to believe in something and search for understanding, or we adopt the cynical view that the search is useless. We all have some sense of what is right, and what is wrong. We can see ourselves as noble beings worthy of happiness or as guilty transgressors against the environment, social justice, or God. We will all decide often what it is that constitutes our duty. We think we know art when we see it. And we adopt political principles and support politicians and parties.

All of these are philosophical issues.

Philosophical convictions are often subconscious or inarticulate. We experience them emotionally in what Ayn Rand called a "sense of life." Your sense of life reflects the fundamental ways you relate to the world and other people; it is your intuitive feeling of how things are and how they ought to be. Each of us needs to understand his own convictions consciously, to be able to put his sense of life into words. Otherwise we don't really have a clear idea of what we believe or what is motivating us to make our biggest decisions—or whether it is true. We need to know what we think on philosophical questions, because our answers can affect the course of our lives. And the sense of life that dominates nations or cultures can determine their fates.

We need a metaphysics (a theory of reality) because we need to know whether the material world of daily life is the only one that exists—which makes a difference between living for this life or some heavenly hereafter. We need to know whether the universe is lawful, or chaotic—which makes a difference between trying to improve things or viewing life as absurd and meaningless.

You take your car to a mechanic because the engine misfires in damp weather. Wouldn't it be strange if he were to shrug and say "Well, cars just do that sometimes?" But what's wrong with that? Why shouldn't you take that attitude to your own problems at home or at work? You need a philosophy to know the answer.
An epistemology is a theory of knowledge. It may seem that if you know anything, then you know it, so what's the issue? To have a clear grasp of one's own life and context, one needs to be able to sort out the mass of information, claims, and ideas we receive from others: that skill is based in epistemology. After all, at root, we need to know whether what we believe is really true. How do you know when someone has proven a point? That can be terribly important when the truth of a scientific theory, a doctor's diagnosis, or the outcome of a trial is at stake. Some people say that words are arbitrary and mean whatever we like. Does that mean it doesn't matter if someone uses words he can't define in down-to-earth terms? Should we worry if we don't feel like we have mystic intuitions, or should we worry if we do?

A neighbor comes to your door with a petition: pesticides from nearby farms are appearing in trace quantities in the town's drinking water. The neighbor wants them removed at all costs. "Nobody has proven that these chemicals won't ever hurt anyone," he says. But the farmers send around a flyer saying the chemicals have been scientifically tested and are proven to be safe. Both are talking about proof, but they don't seem to mean the same thing by it. How could you tell who is right? You need a philosophy to know the answer.
Ethics is the science we use to judge good from evil. We don't want to do evil, and we would like to do good if we can. But to do that, we need to know what it means to be good, and what kind of actions tend to achieve it. People make demands on us: what do we owe to others and what do we deserve for ourselves? To organize our moral views and take the right course in life, we need to avoid being torn apart by contradictory goals and principles.

You are working for a company and rising up to positions of greater responsibility. You try to work efficiently and you hope to make a lot of money, both in bonuses for yourself and in profits for the company. But you feel a little uneasy, and you wonder: are you doing good there, or are you just playing the game of life and going with the flow? After all, your religion teaches you that the best people live simply and serve others. Should you feel guilty about trying to make money, or feel morally proud of your success? You need a philosophy to know the answer.
We all know about practical politics, because we have to choose whom to vote for, and in which causes to invest our time and money. But though we argue about it, few people take the time to sort out their fundamental convictions about political issues. Is there a conflict between the social good and what's good for individuals? Is society responsible for supporting the poor? For inculcating character and values? For regulating the economy? In part, our ideas will depend on our ethical beliefs, but we also need a clear idea of what government is for and what kinds of activities it should be engaged in, if any.

It's election time. One party promises to ensure that every person has a decent job by passing a law setting fair minimum wages and restricting layoffs. The other promises to make sure we are all free, and says we will all be better off in the end even if there are layoffs and wages are set in the labor market. Which one is best? What do political slogans like "fairness" and "freedom" really mean, anyway? You need a philosophy to know the answer.
We all spend time and money on art: reading books, attending films and shows, listening to music, and so on. But unless we reflect on aesthetics, we can't understand clearly why we have this need and what it is about art that fulfills it. What is the difference between good art and bad art? Art provides the spiritual fuel we all depend on, and trying to consume it without knowing anything about its basic purpose and the standards of judging it is like trying to run a car on any old liquid.

A new object has appeared in front of a prominent building in your city. It consists of slabs of metal arranged to make a large and angular shape. The newspaper says it is a great new piece of art, but you wonder, if that is art, what isn't? What is a piece of sculpture supposed to be like? You need a philosophy to know the answer.
People often think of philosophy as a highly abstract and technical field, full of conundrums of interest only to academics. But in fact all of us depend on philosophic conclusions, and identifying one's own philosophy is a highly practical activity. We don't all need to be philosophers, any more than we all need to be mathematicians. But we all learn to add in school, and we all need to be able to do some basic philosophizing as well. That's how we know where we stand in the world and what we ought to do in life."

That's a good one too.

I'm kinda wondering about life in this thread. What it means and shit. But of course it has to do with the idea of philosophy as an "invisible context" invading in peoples lifes.

Ie, the "basis" of philosophy is it clear or can you help me make it more clear?

Is there something i am not saying, that you have any idea about?- I'm against holding up philosophy as a discipline that's defined within the same kind of borders as other academic disciplines. As I see it, philosophy, seen in relationship with the rest of academia, is "all that other stuff" - exploring the borders of human knowledge :)

Or were you thinking of something else?

- I'm against holding up philosophy as a discipline that's defined within the same kind of borders as other academic disciplines. As I see it, philosophy, seen in relationship with the rest of academia, is "all that other stuff" - exploring the borders of human knowledge :)

Or were you thinking of something else?
Actually that was very good and very very close.

Let's for the time consider that we're asking this as a personal, question... that I am wondering something for myself, perhaps that may give insight to others.

For one, i seem to be not so well off (there are many threads related to existabrents "well being").... So when you say, "i'm against holding up philosophy as a dicipline that's defined within the same kind of borders as other academic diciplines.", you are somewhat close... very close. It may seem and as bad as it may be....

Because, my well being is important to that. Perhaps, ok, : philosophy doesn't include what I am experiencing (thus the need to treat it as less than an achademic dicipline). What thoughts I have about the such, maybe I consider them as philosophic, because I understand a lot about such things, yet maybe not as I should.

So this seems to be a thread for "existabrent" again, but others may well be interested too.

So, you were spot on, in that "all that other stuff" part, is something that I want to find out "what that other stuff", may be..... do you see what I mean?

Theory of relativity that was incredible.

I'm glad you liked it, meanwhile, may I ask how old you are existabrent and how you spend your days, may help me understand u a little better and may help others be able to 'help' you more too.

20 years old.

I spend my days trying to improve (http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=53060); this is a very good thread for understanding that 'statement', ok.

I apparently have problems and mental health and the existentialists threads are good for that. But you might as well just stick to the above thread, and,

this thread remains its relevance

I have sent detailed reply via your web as shown above. Hope it helps.

Me too, tor. I don't know what the hell. I don't know if anyone can f ind out by what is said on this thread here. I want to quit being egotistical my dad says "what u think ur better than everybody or something" and that u know really upsets me something. And I just still hope that u people can say something.

what your dad said is what people say to each some times, it is hurtful if you take it personally. You are not alone in having this said to you. This is not a sign you are not normal.

Me too, tor. I don't know what the hell. I don't know if anyone can f ind out by what is said on this thread here. I want to quit being egotistical my dad says "what u think ur better than everybody or something" and that u know really upsets me something. And I just still hope that u people can say something.
Brent, the statement "you think you're better than everyone else" is very common. But the word "better" is very vague and doesn't really mean a whole lot. A more accurate and truthful statement would be "you are more important to yourself than anyone else is."

That pretty well applies to everyone. At the same time, though, it's also a problem when someone values himself and his ideas above those of others. We all have our own individual strengths and weaknesses and need to realize that. You may be better than someone in one respect while that same person may be better than you in three other areas. So just concentrate on what you're good at and try to improve in the areas where you are lacking. Don't be concerned with comparisons to others.

Don't be concerned, eh? :(

Don't be concerned, eh? :(
I get the impression you missed my point completely.

What I meant was, rather than wasting time, effort or even brainpower on being concerned about the differences between yourself and others, instead apply that toward making yourself stronger in your weaker areas.

Please tell me that my ego should die.

Bury me alive. Please. Please. Please.

Please tell me that my ego should die.

Bury me alive. Please. Please. Please.
What is all this about, Brent?

See the incredible thread w hich doesn't seem to leave the sci. index (main page) in Human Psyc "Hmmm... Personal Adventures??". The reason I actually said that came from that thread...

Hmmm... I've got more of a problem than anyone in the world. That's what's all this is about light. And it is nver gonna end. That's why,
ego stroke,
is the answer...................?
It was incredible to hear it from Killjoy of all the awesomeness...
there isn't a such thing as awesomeness...

So I must die. I do not want to die, but i want my mind to die. I wish to be re-born. I wish to live without my ego or any bad thoughts. I just want to be normal and have this thread understand,
that the personal problem in philosophy is stupid bull shit,

that everyone should know that philosophy is bullshit unless it is taken seroiusly,

and just live their lifes and have their egos die! ha!!! :D

See the incredible thread w hich doesn't seem to leave the sci. index (main page) in Human Psyc "Hmmm... Personal Adventures??". The reason I actually said that came from that thread...

Hmmm... I've got more of a problem than anyone in the world. That's what's all this is about light. And it is nver gonna end. That's why,
ego stroke,
is the answer...................?
It was incredible to hear it from Killjoy of all the awesomeness...
there isn't a such thing as awesomeness...

So I must die. I do not want to die, but i want my mind to die. I wish to be re-born. I wish to live without my ego or any bad thoughts. I just want to be normal and have this thread understand,
that the personal problem in philosophy is stupid bull shit,

that everyone should know that philosophy is bullshit unless it is taken seroiusly,

and just live their lifes and have their egos die! ha!!! :D
Sorry, but I'm not about to go digging through yet another long thread in hopes of finding what you're talking about.

If you problem is your ego, that's certainly within your power to change. And you'll also to bump into things in real life - if you have one - that will humble you and knock you back down to size now and then.

That was nice. And no i obviously don't have a real life. Problem isn't ego entirely: I think I have a problem and no body can ever give me any sort of answer, what so ever. Period.

About this thread, it is still related. Personal bothering in philosophy crap, don't we all have that?

Just wondering, ya know, because it's simple really: What the hell is philosophy, how can it not bother all egos?

That was nice. And no i obviously don't have a real life. Problem isn't ego entirely: I think I have a problem and no body can ever give me any sort of answer, what so ever. Period.

About this thread, it is still related. Personal bothering in philosophy crap, don't we all have that?

Just wondering, ya know, because it's simple really: What the hell is philosophy, how can it not bother all egos?
All I can tell you is that I have no problems at all with philosophy. I know what works for me and I'm quite comfortable with it. I honestly don't care about all the different philosophies that are out there because they are nothing to me.

Why should anyone be concerned about all the different and conflicting ideas that other people have? That could drive you nuts for no good reason at all. Yecch!

Er, seems like I approached this thread in the wrong way. I'm thinking you might be writing a bit too much as stream-of-consciousness here. I might have an idea of some of what you're saying, but could you organize?

HI,

I simply was wanting to find out something here. If we can say that it is possible to have a basis for all philosophies. Not quite a basis, as is, rather the basis that isn't a base. I have been reading Sartre's "existentialisism is a humanism" every now and then, and working on my life a bit myself;

And, was wondering, for myself if we say it, that if for the person, a base for philosophy is what?

I mean, this of course considers po- mo ism, nothing matters really, and all of these things....

and that a "basis for all other philosophy(z)??" is actually that their isn't a base?

What do you make of this, for the individual?......

yes your right, philosophy as has been accepted by mainstream including post mod. does imply no meaning, as dos existentialism. but there very much ISMEANING. i suggest you buy and read tis book forthwith.....'Critique of Patriarchal Reason, by Arthur Evans, wit artwork by Frank Pietronigro ISBN 0-9645384-1-5 " A philosopher and an artist join hands in this book to reclaim philosophy as an art. Their collaboration--exposes te patriarchal mythology underling modern "rationality".
Their book shows how patriarchal biases have infected formal logic, higher mathematics, and the scientific method. It demonstrates the harmful impact of these biases on women, gay people, artists, indigenous societies, and the natrual environment. In place of tese biases, the book offers a new, liberatin view of te role of reason in human life.......Critique of Patriarchal Reason opens the windos of Western philosophy. Read it, and you will discover a whole new way of looking at te world around you and your own life"

here you can get this beautifullooking book second hand and quite cheap---i got it for £11....and am in the process of reading it myself!.....heres where www.alibris.com

you know...the existentialists fear and tremble before death....read Alan Watts revew their philosophy, ad its founder, Sartre apparently formulated his philosophy after a very bad mescaline trip,and was an habitual speed freeak....!

Sartre kicks ass.

Existentialism is a serious philosophy worth a look.

My life sucks and buddhism is pityful.

All of these things, they are true, though maybe in the wrong way.

Philosophy therefore doesn't matter: when all my ideas matter, I can't drop the idea about my perception of reality in relation to all the (only the) other ideas of what it is (unless of course it just is my thought)

So there is a personal problem with how I am approaching these issues.

Thanks

And light, actually, when my dad says that maybe you should remember that (1: I don't have a life) I have a problem. I don't have a life. So how is it possible for him to say that?...

It is possible because I don't have any means of being anything or doing anything, yet he says that. How strange!

Fine fine, better yet:

I have a problem; I seek to get better. ...Ok I read these books that says (hey, onthe back! "Potentially life changing" and stuff ok) buddhism. Then I check out the book i got for a dollar (heh!) "existentialism from dostoev to sartre"; and i try to find their principals and things.

So i may not give a shit about explaining this, but maybe it actually matters somehow?

So yeah, the personal problem seems to be something like that. That was intended for light, but ya knoaw?

And light, actually, when my dad says that maybe you should remember that (1: I don't have a life) I have a problem. I don't have a life. So how is it possible for him to say that?...

It is possible because I don't have any means of being anything or doing anything, yet he says that. How strange!
You need to explain more, Brent, before we can tell what you're talking about.

For instance, why do you not have a life?

Are you physically disabled in any way? If not, what do you mean when you say you don't have any means of "being" anything or "doing" anything?

I do not have a life, because I suffer psychosis as QQ might say:D I'm kidding, but it definately is "relevant". I mean, it is obviously a problem with me. My damn self. And because of this I can't even go into a store. I obviously may be trying to hard?... Well, you may see..

I'm not physically disabled. I don't have any means of being or doing anything because my mind hasn't the ability to be a normal, functioning human being. I simply don't have it in me to understand how to act. Something so similar.. until I fall down laughing/crying.

I may be a good guy but really, that's a tough question...

I hope that helps, for the relevance to the thread. As again there are far too many words, it is odd to have to always repeate to someone that I have a problem! This is why sciforums came to me as incred. A good try.

exista, from wht i am feeling you mean issss, you are searching searching looking at different books--mainly philosophy--for an ANSWER....an answer. someting that will make you feel '''alright within yourself?

you then seem to say you'd like 'ego death' which is like saying you woul desire your sense of yourselfin its negative sene to die, yeah? cause you feel it is hard for you to BE intis world. so you wanna new 'me'

there is an event actually called the 'death/rebirth' experience which involes 'ego death' and it is common in mythology, and Indigenous rites of passage

actually we do it througout our lives. we go thru changes and parts of us who 'were' die' and new part are born

the classic ego death is psychedelic sacramental experience wher te scstatic loses sense of hirself and ten feels reborn. there are diverse means for this event.

If ou are intwrested in the modern psychoanalytical approach , then checkout the workds of Dr Stanilslav Grof

the mystery of the universe is what drives me,


for the same reason i am interested in science & tech, for the same reason i am interested in all knowledge,


i actually love reading philosophy though, just al i love reading mythology and old tales and stories,


i got into philosophy through martial arts though, since i was a little child i have been reading eastern philosophy, i was introduced to taoism when i was about 4-5 years old,


i like philosophical stories,

its hard to pinpoint a direct reason,

peace.

I'm only interested in being ok. Lucky forci of chi:D
I tell u i'm only interensted in being myself. Things in philosophy bother me. And every one else too though don't know how to say it. Tisn't like their lifes r straight and without, philosophy to begin with!!!

Allow me to copy something from a book real quick like...,


"Others are skeptical of the truth claims of all spiritual traditions because they violate the beliefs of scientific materialism. And yet others are skeptical of all truth claims, be they scientific or spiritual, because they violate the beliefs of postmodernism. In christianity references are often made to "believers" and "non believers," with Christians being the former and everyone else being counted as the latter. But in reality we are all believers!"

please read the above

And tell me, something:

What is the nature of this confusion? Can you maybe tell me for someone or rather me in my case what this gives to me? Or someone? What it can make you feel?


And we can start--- "continue", the discussion from there...

:)

Allow me to copy something from a book real quick like...,



please read the above

And tell me, something:

What is the nature of this confusion? Can you maybe tell me for someone or rather me in my case what this gives to me? Or someone? What it can make you feel?


And we can start--- "continue", the discussion from there...

:)
yes here goes. what does the beliefsyou mention, which include old patriarchal religious beliefs, scientific materialism and post moder philosophy all havein common?
theyt ll in teir own ways, via words and wrods and words and wrds....and words and MORE words etc etc...denigrate Nature and MEANING

how so:
brielfy, Th Abrahamic religions tell us that Natureis less than their wanted 'heaven'---and/or that Natyure needs to be 'spiritualized' in some future. and that we are basically sinful and need the rule of 'God'/law to guide us to 'purity'. this is a summary of what thy believe

scientific materialism: this mindset believes in measure, and any meaning has to include it beng measured. deeper forms of maning which CANT be measured are dismissed as anamlous . mental illness, etc. nature is 'dead' for tese pople. this is what tey believe

p.mods.....in its negative form believes there is no meaning. that 'Nature' is a fabrication/invention

so all tese mindsets eve tho SEEMING diverse fundamentally arent. they all dismiss real eep maning. thats what they belive and spout whenever and wherever they can. in their schools, colleges,unis, media. drillin it in and in constantly