I would like to get some answers from some of you. Please try and answer some or all of the following questions.

<B>1.</B>What is your purpose towards yourself?

<B>2.</B>What is your purpose within your family?

<B>3.</B>What is your purpose amongst your friends?

<B>4.</B>What is your purpose within your society?

<B>5.</B>What is your purpose on Earth?

<B>6.</B>What is your purpose amongst the stars (the Universe)?

<B>7.</B>What is your purpose in general?

I will try and answer some of them myself.

1. My purpose toward myself is to be true to myself and never give up. I owe it to myself to try and get the most out of life and always try to learn new things.

2. My purpose toward my family is to provide a part of our combined security. I must make sure that my family survives and are feeling well as well as I can.

3. My purpose amongst my friends is to try and help them in any way I can and also make use of their help when it is offered to me.

4. My purpose within my society is to give as much as I can, and if I cant give my purpose is to take enough to survive.

5. Don't really know yet.

6. Don't really know yet.

7. To learn, to ask questions and to contribute as much as possible (for me) to other beings.

1. To educate and learn as a person
2. To educate them, to argue about assorted things with them (debates, not brawls)
3. To educate and learn from them
4. To change the way they think as a species forever
5. To change it forever (in a good way)
6. To never be forgotten by anyone, or almost everyone
7. To write, to think, to learn, to educate

Oooohhh, this was deep.....:p

1. To keep a close connection to my soul, higher self and the world around me. To be honest and learn and always do my best and always try to see the larger perspective. And to love myself, trust myself and care for my evolution.
Also to challange myself by boldly doing things that I have never done before, that I really like. Maybe I´m just a sucker for novelty....:p

2. To be a part of a growing entity, and to support , help and love them.
And care for their individual evolutions. To be a mother, a fridgeopener to the cats and a scoulding presence to my love. ;) To engage us in plans for a better future together. To enjoy eachothers presence. To be spiritually connected within the flesh. To really care deeply for those who have chosen to live their lives so closely to mine. A family is a symbiotic existence.

3. To inspire their ambitions. Be there, when needed. Engage myself in social gatherings with them. Intrigue them with my thoughts, and let them intrigue me. See our incarnational journey together , and the different roles we play and to honor the collaboration that is taking place between our souls.

4. To ruin it...muahahahaa...:D, well illuminate it then. Confuse it, in order to inspire to new ways of thinking. Enjoy it with how my presence interacts with it. To be the artist. The creative force that is needed for progress.

5. To bring illumination to the population of Earth. :D To learn within the physical realm. To help, to spread love. To feel every cell of the planet as it were my own. To go trough the whole chain of different existances that are available on Earth, to be able to truthfully and with compassion share the earthly experience with other non-earthly existences. And help the planet in its journey as an organism.

6. To contribute with my existence to the evolution of the consciousness of the universe. To ultimately become one with the universes consciousness.
Which already is a reality, since time is only an "illusion" , all happens now. But my linear -mind- body-brain hasn´t quite caught up with that, but will, soon.

7. Have fun, annoy people with my colourful presence, tickle strangers and cats, and LOVE! :D

1=2=...=7=Evolution

1.What is your purpose towards yourself?
To constantly better myself

2.What is your purpose within your family?
to help as much as posible in making their lives more enjoyable

3.What is your purpose amongst your friends?
same as 2
4.What is your purpose within your society?
as society sees it, to contribute as much as possible while living under strict social rules; as I see it I'll do whatever I want legal or not, regardless of social mores, providing I don't hurt anyone else.
5.What is your purpose on Earth?
To consistently better myself through experiencing as much as possible

6.What is your purpose amongst the stars (the Universe)?
same as 5

7.What is your purpose in general?
To live by my own standards, regardless of anyone else's feelings of it.

*Originally posted by Bebelina
annoy people with my colourful presence*

Pink, perhaps?

1 & 7

My purpose to get somewhere...
Where I don't know as I am looking...
looking for what, I won't know until I find it...
Find what, I'm not sure butthere must be a purpose


2
apparently to be the outcast or person to blame.

3
To be there to listen and perhaps cast a view if need be.

4
In society I am again generally walked upon.

5
To fight just causes, Crusade against oppression and views that are irresponsible. Beat up those bullies that need a kicking to learn some respect.

6
To act like a small one celled organism within a bucket of sand.

Originally posted by tony1
Pink, perhaps?

How could you guess?! :D

That sounds rather depressing. I think you can come up with something better if you try. Maybe if you considered how you want it to be instead, what purposes would be great for you to have ? :)

Well it might seem depressing but that's just what ails, of course I mentioned a purpose at number 5 that kind of points out that I don't intend to be oppressed for much longer.


Grand Master Flash<BR>
<CENTER>"It's like a Jungle out there... sometimes I wonder how I keep from going under!"</CENTER>

Apparently to be the outcast or person to blame. In society I am again generally walked upon.

Do you feel that your family and society are alienating you? Do you se yourself as an outcast? I don't se the reason for you to feel that. You seem like an intelligent and nice person on this board. And if you really are an outcast then what are you willing to do to change that?


To be there to listen and perhaps cast a view if need be.

I am sorry! with my limited skills of the english language I do not know what you mean by "cast a view", care to explain?

Well, lets see Holy...
Myself being alienated is pretty much due to the fact that my family doesn't bother themselves with any type of philosophical understanding, and have little time for anything from me.

I suppose that I have also been alienated because Supposed "Professionals" misjudged me (doctors) and claimed that I was suffering some illness, when in reality I've just become an unwitting test subject in some covert experiment.

Of course explaining it so, gets those professionals claiming alsorts of outdated bogus assumptions of it being a mental ailment.
In truth it's a University poking around in my head and writing papers on how the mind works, and I'm annoyed because they don't come forwards and nobody has believed me. That's why I titled myself a Cybernautic labrat. Caught in some maze without the ability to see the walls or the path out.

I said "Cast a view" that means to Project a perspective, to give my understanding of a situation or solution to a problem.

Thank you.

Is there nothing written and released about your predicament? I mean can I read about it somewhere?

Is there some purpose to what the University is doing or will it result in making the world a better place somehow?

Well I haven't totally released any information as of yet, because I'm not too sure how they would react. I know though that I am in the process of writing some information, but I know I'm going to have to clean it up a couple of times to make it coherent.

There is information available on the internet, for instance:

C.A.H.R.A. (Citizens Against Human Rights Abuse)
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/

Of course the information within the "book" document is based upon alleged mindcontrol equipment. Of course some of the information contained is taken from Papers written by Professors at some of the most renound universities.

I does seem that although the professors might be Busy writing great lengths of literature about how the mind works and if it can be linked to a computer (similar to Penrose). That they let their research students "Play" and some of them don't seem to take their responsibilities seriously which causes people like myself to have their lives ruined.

What annoys me is that:

I'm not getting paid for it
I'm not getting qualified because of it
I'm not working because of it
I'm seemingly not going to get any recognition for information that I have researched and they have had access to.

1-7: Love, learn and teach

Thank you all for those great purposes, I think I will adopt some of them for myself cause I am not as sure of my purpose as most of you.

I believe most of us have multiple purposes in our lifes. At least I feel like my purpose towards my familly is not the same as to society or my friends.

<B><U>Now for the next question</B></U>
Do you feel you already are fulfilling those purposes or any of them?

If not, why and what can you do to fulfill your purpose?

Maybe you should change the original questions instead to "what is your purpose and HOW do you fulfill that?" , so we don´t have to see those lazy answers 1-7= love, evolution and so on. ;) Because , of course the purpose for everything is love and evolution! Duuuhhh....The hard question is to tell HOW you make that a CONSCIOUS REALITY in your life, don´t you think?! :p

I should probably have made the original question "What is your purpose toward ..., and how will you achieve it?". However, I am grateful of all the purposes in the above posts, I have personally some problems finding a purpose for myself in some areas, and I was hoping to get some ideas as how to se myself in different contexts.

Though I believe I wont actually find all purposes until I have had a family (children of my own) and lived a full life. Now I just study all the time and that can not be my only purpose.

1.What is your purpose towards yourself?

Short term: To stay fit and healthy long enough for science to find a cure to the disease of aging. Without the certainty of a long term future nothing is of any value.

Long term: To survive and hence to experience everything possible.

2.What is your purpose within your family?

Encourage and teach them individual independence.

3.What is your purpose amongst your friends?

To show support and understanding and enjoy the relationships.

4.What is your purpose within your society?

To fight for individual freedoms.

5.What is your purpose on Earth?

Short term: To live and let live.
Long term: To leave it before it is hit by an asteroid or destroyed by volcanic eruptions, or is destroyed by other means.

6.What is your purpose amongst the stars (the Universe)?

To explore them as soon as I can.

7.What is your purpose in general?

To survive and hence to experience everything possible.

Cris

Holy,


Now for the next question
Do you feel you already are fulfilling those purposes or any of them?

If not, why and what can you do to fulfill your purpose?

Yes I am doing all I can to fulfill my goals. I gave much thought to this 30 years ago and came to realize that there was so much that I wanted to do but there appeared to be too little time in a typical human lifetime to even start. Everything I would learn or experience would be for nothing unless I could live to enjoy those thoughts. I kept coming back to the issue that death seemed inevitable. That led me into numerous areas of research –

Religions: All offer a promise to survive physical death. This was clearly a strong partial alignment with my goals (to cheat death). But my experience as an evangelistic Christian left me totally unconvinced that such an approach was going to help me achieve my goals. There simply wasn’t any factual basis for any of the claims. There wasn’t any certainty of the desired result, and as I studied more I began to see major fundamental flaws. I realized that those who follow a religion want the same as me but have accepted a path of self-delusion.

Anti-aging Research: I spent a great deal of time reading scientific literature in this area, but not being a trained scientist I found most of the advanced material was beyond my understanding. I considered going back to university to study in this area but realized that I wasn’t bright enough to be able to make any of the breakthroughs I felt were needed. I decided that I’d leave this area to those who could make those breakthroughs. In the meantime I simply monitor the major research projects, and I am very pleased to see massive progress in recent years. This gives me hope that I should be able to extend my life well into my 100s. I hope by then that further breakthroughs will extend that further and then beyond.

Mind Uploading: This provides the greatest hope of satisfying my goals in the long term. The topic is not well understood by most and I am not going to explain the details or many of the implications here. Briefly: Computing power will equal and surpass the power of the human brain within about 10 to 25 years. The essential concept is to have my brain scanned in perfect detail, digitized and loaded into a computer based substrate. I would survive as a non-biological being (the term is posthuman) and escape all the disadvantages of being biological.

MU is my greatest hope although current research is slow since we do not yet have the needed computing power. To help in this direction I have moved from the UK to Silicon Valley in California where I now work for a major computer manufacturer. I now manage a department of senior designers and have access to state of the art computing technology. I need the scientists to work on the Whole Brain Emulation techniques as well as brain scanning technologies. Alongside this is the development of robotic limbs, bodies etc. My area of focus and expertise is the computing power that will be needed.

These goals make my attitude to life somewhat unusual. Typically I see very little in life worth taking too seriously. Wars come and go, stocks rise and fall; it’s like watching a good movie. Everything is worth watching but everything is temporary. But my health is of vital importance and I take that seriously, and my work has long-term purpose, so short term details never worry me. Research in all areas is progressing very nicely and I am very optimistic that I will achieve my short-term goal – defeating the aging process. After that I’ll start living and following other interesting pursuits.

I hope you find my story interesting, even though I doubt you will comprehend all the more subtle implications; after all it has taken me decades to reach this point.

Cris

I've been thinking weird thoughts since I was five or six. What's taken you so long? ;)

I was just telling the less weird stuff here.

I daren't tell the real stuff I've considered. :D

And clearly I'm not as bright as you right?

So chagur, what have you done with your life? Did you or do you have a purpose to whatever you do?

I have clearly defined goals that I may or may not achieve. A great part depends on the work and research of others but if I can find ways beyond my current activities to increase that progress then I will certainly do so.

Most people do not set any long term goals apart from having a family and dying of old age. This seems to me more like a conveyor belt of people makers. The vast majority have aimless lives and unfortunately such lives are considered normal and acceptable.

So where do you stand?

Cris

1. I've been evaluated at approximately 75 watts. And you?

2. Aware of my mortality, something that was driven home about my sixth or seventh trip around Sol, I've pretty much have lived the moment. About the only goal I ever set was experiencing, in a sense, space. Scuba diving took care of the weightlessness and a few years aboard submarines gave me an idea what living aboard a spaceship might be like.

Everything else has pretty much been being lucky and going with the flow: education, marriage, kids, career, etc. Consequently I have few regrets and fewer 'if I had only ... (whatever)' to waste time on while enjoying my retirement ... which includes busting balls ... some things never change. ;)

So we have one that looks to the future for a purpose and another that se the purpose in living here and now. Which one is correct?

I believe I will choose both. I want to live enough to experience as much as possible for one person, but I also want to live now and experience the days that pass.

Please continue your discussion if you please!

Holy,

Awright.

Setting a long-term goal is good, but to get there requires setting a series of short-term goals. Aw I know many people aren't good at setting goals and prefer to drift through life aimlessly. But they miss many opportunities. If we really end up only living a few measly decades then planning those times to maximize the fun makes a lot of sense to me. But plans need to be flexible to allow for unforeseen opportunities that will occur.

Think of life as a journey and a well-planned journey helps to ensure that most things you want to achieve are on the list. Many people wait until they retire before they plan and then find health and fitness limit their options.

My destination is important but the journey will be long and I would be miserable if I didn’t enjoy the journey. Life can be fun and even more fun if properly organized. Leaving things to chance and hoping for the best rarely provides everything you expect.

As for retirement, that simply isn’t on my list. My life is my work and I enjoy my work enormously, after all it is an essential component of my long-term plans and I see no reason to ever stop.

So have fun whatever.
Cris

To the original questions

1. To not let the universe make me insane. To seek good and beauty and to be constantly vigilant so that I won´t behave badly and that my view of the world is not too narrow and that hate, envy, depression, greed or arrogance won´t get control of me. Not to let the world hurt me too much. To learn, evolve and to be moderate.

2. To love and trust them and try to be fair and open towards them.

3. Same as 2.

4. To serve my soceity as it has given much to me but also to be critical towards it, so that I can tell what could be better and try to make it so. To be an active citizen and never try to seek my own good with the cost of the society.

5. Help humanity the way I can and support the fields of sciene and human progress that I believe that will help all mankind. To support the preservation of nature (even spiders :) ). To be equal towards all human beings and not to categorize humans by theyr religion, ideology, nationality or race. Remember that the world is what we make of it and never ever say never ever. :eek:

6. To be a tough challenge to the universe (as it tries to make us all insane!! :eek: ).

7. To be.

Life can be fun and even more fun if properly organized. Leaving things to chance and hoping for the best rarely provides everything you expect.

I have found that accomplishment is achieved through setting goals, and I don't think I would be happy if I lacked accomplishment. But I also have another take on this. I had the opportunity to travel with a group of people who did not see planning the entire trip ahead of time as a neccessity. Our overall timeframe was limited, as well as our modes of transportation, and we picked a general destination, but the rest we left, for the most part, completely open. One of the high points was a hike in a place called Exit Glacia near Seward, Alaska, and we would never have found the place if we had planned ahead. As it was we asked a local where to go and he pointed us in the right direction. Likewise, some of the most gruelling experiences in the outdoors for me have been the result of spontaneous planning, but I would not trade any of them in. There is just something about an experience that is enhanced when you have absolutely no preconceptions about it. Leave your expectations at the door, and you won't be disappointed. I once heard someone say that you never really taste orange juice until you accidentally pour it on your cereal in a dark kitchen first thing in the morning.

The accomplishments I have made through goal setting have greatly empowered me and made me a better, more useful person, but when it comes to experience I'll leave the itinerary at home every time. I admit I'll probably grab the map on the way out though.

Accomplishment brings satisfaction ...

An unexpected experience can bring joy.

Just a thought. ;)