http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/architect-says-pyramid-built-inside-out/20070330154309990002?ncid=NWS00010000000001

A new theory on how the pyramids were built.

DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE.... the pictures show nothing...

it looks like smoke and mirrors...

if they had used an internal ramp..... then it should still be there.

-MT

Either the pyramids where builded 123 years ago By a long neck alien race with a piramid fixation, or it was man builded and coated with limestone, that was removed aftherwards that in combination with wind erosion has errased most of the evidence on how they where original builded.
The first one explains why their simply wasn't a manual on how to build pyramids for beginners even afther they've builded so many of them and the second theory explains what happen if you place a bunch of people together in the dessert who got nothing better to do then wait for the next flodding and not enough liqour around to pass the time.

pyramids were build using sand :) when they made first floor they filled around it with sand and then you push stones to the second floor at the end they had to get a long road because they had to make it long enough that it wouldnt be so hard to push stones up.its my theory p.s sorry for english hope you will understand ;)

They were built with whips, massive whips.

Link is not working?

I believe it was by magnetic/repulsor lifts, 10500 B.C.

Yes they had been modified several times since then I suspect. One time was approx. 150 years before Khufu according the the RC dating of the wood in side the pyramid now.

Link doesn't work - I guess big brother got it ;)

If you follow the precession of the Earth (the slow wobble of the Earth over thousands of years around the North Star) you will notice that the Sphinx points right to the constellation Leo on the SPRING EQUINOX of every year back around 12,500 years ago (10,500 BC)

These ancient sites have been rebuilt MANY times, following the ancient blueprint of the original creators of these monuments, so they are VERY ancient indeed. Today the Sphinx currently points to Taurus, the Bull, every spring equinox. So why is the Sphinx not a bull? Because it was most likely built in 10,500 BC, not 4-6000 years ago.

In a series of expeditions between 1991 and 1993 led by John Anthony West, and independent Egyptologist, scientific investigators conducted geological and seismic surveys around the Great Sphinx of Egypt. The chief geologist was Dr. Robert Schoch, Professor of Geology at Boston University, and the chief seismologist was Thomas Dobecki from the highly-respected Houston consulting firm, McBride-Ratclif & Associates.

Their conclusions: The pattern of erosion on the Sphinx indicates that it was carved at the end of the last Ice Age, when heavy rains fell in the eastern Sahara - perhaps more than 12,000 years ago. This contrasts starkly with the 'orthodox' Egyptological dating for the Sphinx of around 4,500 years ago.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol316/issue5822/r-samples.dtl#316/5822/179d

RIDDLE OF THE PYRAMID
A French architect says he has uncovered the secret to the construction of Egypt's Great Pyramid of Cheops 4500 years ago: Workers hauled the stones up an internal spiral ramp.

Jean-Pierre Houdin has been working on his insight for 8 years, and late last month in Paris, he unveiled it along with a video made using new 3D-visualization software.

Houdin says the usual theories of how pyramids were constructed are impractical: A giant ramp would use more stones than the pyramid itself, and a ramp spiraling up the outside would make it hard for engineers to get the geometry right. But a 2-meter-wide inner ramp solves all the problems, he says. Corners of the pyramid would have been left open, allowing workers to maneuver 2-ton blocks around them (see illustration). Houdin is negotiating with Egyptian authorities to allow noninvasive testing of his idea using microgravimetry and infrared and acoustic sensing.

The work was done in consultation with Egyptologist Robert Brier of the C. W. Post Campus of Long Island University in Brookville, New York, who says, "it's a radical new theory, [but] almost all the Egyptology experts say it should be tested." At least one native Egyptian has reservations about it, however: Farouk El-Baz, head of Boston University's Center for Remote Sensing, says, "No engineer would ask workers in ancient Egypt" to haul stones up the dim inner ramps. "These are people that live all their lives in the sun, and most are afraid of the dark."

(Copy-paste since most don't have access.)

True Science is finding facts to create theories not make theories to suit the facts!

"These are people that live all their lives in the sun, and most are afraid of the dark."
What about nightime?

They were built with whips, massive whips.
This is a suburban myth.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

i was going to start a new thread but i found this, so im shoving it here.

can we make a pyramid that matches the old ones today in modern times? because i have read from a few sources that we cannot re-create the old pyramids even with modern tech. and i believe thats bull because we should be able to make a pyramid right? it wouldent make sense that we cant make one now but could like 8k years ago.

peace.

What would be the purpose...for that matter what WAS the purpose?

Like any good pyramid scheme....power.

Might well have to create massive pyramids in the near future

>> What would be the purpose...for that matter what WAS the purpose? >>

They were machines, no moving parts, no maintenance, and they worked until ignorance removed some of their parts.

They would have operated unattended for thousands ? tens even or more, years, unattended.

They were massive heat sinks that dehumidified the air along the Nile to manufacture clean unpolluted disease free water..... more precious (as this world is now starting to find out) than precious !

URI:

If you're going to start spamming this forum with your usual nuttiness, you won't last much longer here.

can we make a pyramid that matches the old ones today in modern times? I am certain we could. The issue would be the enormous cost with no particular benefit being derived from the construction.

>> start spamming

well, show me proof that I am spamming.

That is why the pyramids were built, they never ever were used as tombs.

Hey this is the problem with your set in stone BS.

Just because some person long ago had an incorrect idea, we are supposed to believe that forever.
Get real lad, what you advocate is politics, not science.

Y'all into a power and ego trip, where what y'all say is true.

Well I am not sure where you get your power from, obviously by being violent, intimidating, and threatening.

nice !

hey James R, can you PROVE you have University qualifications ?

I can, lad, and I am finding your behaviour most anti-science, so put up or get outa my face.

Uri,
would you care to comare the total mass of the pyramids with the total mass of, say, the Mokattam Hills, then explain why one, but not the other would function as an efficient heat sink.

I await your reply with interest.
Ophiolite
[James R, please do pluck this particular bannanna until it is ripe.]

Some guy has poved that most of the stone blocks were cast, i think only the bottom ones are cut stone.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...reatp yramids

URI:

If you're going to start spamming this forum with your usual nuttiness, you won't last much longer here.

Should I check myself out too?

Some guy has poved that most of the stone blocks were cast, i think only the bottom ones are cut stone.No. He has offered a hypothesis of questionable validity. That is quite different from proof. It also raises the question of what was done with all the stone quarried locally at Giza and across the Nile in the quarries there.

No. He has offered a hypothesis of questionable validity. That is quite different from proof. It also raises the question of what was done with all the stone quarried locally at Giza and across the Nile in the quarries there.


Was part of the argument lack of fossils in the stone blocks used above a
certain building level.
Sorry, i forget source.

Is this a SCIENCE forum or only in name ?

First there is NO proof (evidence) that the pyramids were used as tombs... never has a mummy been found in a pyramid... and get real, logic would show, you would not build a massive pyramid for a dead person, then seal it up so there is no entry; no more of that line could be "buried there"
(failed in fact and in the logic stakes as well)

Science runs on facts and logic.

Evidence for the pyramids as a machine

(a) there is a series of machines (pyramids) that show a line of enhanced design
(b) other than "first" attempts, the pyramids have a WELL ! (no use except to collect water.)
(c) the Pyramids were sealed except for "air" shafts. The dead do not breath.
(d) The pyramids had a MASSIVE GRANITE CONDENSATION CHAMBER that had access to the desert air. This chamber SUCKED humid air in. (low pressure formed due to water vapour condensation)
(e) The humidity of the air over the Nile reaches saturation.
(f) the pyramids were aligned to reflect most heat/light. They even had a highly reflective outside coat of gleaming (highly reflective) limestone.
(h) There are WRITTEN archaeological records describing the pyramids as having huge lakes of water surrounding them... eyewitness accounts.
(i) There are primitive constructions in many parts of the world that operated on the above "pile of rocks condensation" logic, these have been verified as water producers.
(j) Many natural rock formations process water vapour in a similar manner, giving rise to seeps and springs.

and there is more.

LOL, the local morons had no idea where the water came from, it was magic, and yes it was magic. Louts that them broke these magnificent conceptions.

Writings written on the pyramid walls praised the water produced,,,, it saved many elite from premature death. It was described as HOLY WATER a gift from the GODS.

But hey, it seems y'all haven't even got the book learning to understand this.

so ?, yep I don't care one bit!

but suit yourself, stay running on the BS that is flung around here if you like.

I run on facts and logic. And I get damned, LOL, y'all are really stupid... there really are no other words for it.

omegafour.com

nietzschefan:


Should I check myself out too?

URI is a troll who blew in from another forum where he posted exactly the same way-out "theories", and they were extensively debunked by myself and others. He has most likely trolled the same stuff all over the internet (I haven't bothered checking.)


URI:


hey James R, can you PROVE you have University qualifications ?

Yes, of course. Relevance?


Is this a SCIENCE forum or only in name ?

This kind of bullshit is a waste of my time. I won't bother taking the bait.


First there is NO proof (evidence) that the pyramids were used as tombs...

Ok. So, let's assume that the pyramids were NOT tombs. Then, where's the proof of your wacky and bizarre theory that they were water purifiers? Let's see...


Evidence for the pyramids as a machine

(a) there is a series of machines (pyramids) that show a line of enhanced design

Most types of architecture show a progression from early examples to more sophisticated types.


(b) other than "first" attempts, the pyramids have a WELL ! (no use except to collect water.)

Evidence?


(c) the Pyramids were sealed except for "air" shafts. The dead do not breath.

Non sequitur.


(d) The pyramids had a MASSIVE GRANITE CONDENSATION CHAMBER that had access to the desert air. This chamber SUCKED humid air in. (low pressure formed due to water vapour condensation)

False.


(e) The humidity of the air over the Nile reaches saturation.

Irrelevant.


(f) the pyramids were aligned to reflect most heat/light. They even had a highly reflective outside coat of gleaming (highly reflective) limestone.

Evidence of purpose?


(h) There are WRITTEN archaeological records describing the pyramids as having huge lakes of water surrounding them... eyewitness accounts.

References?


(i) There are primitive constructions in many parts of the world that operated on the above "pile of rocks condensation" logic, these have been verified as water producers.

Evidence?


(j) Many natural rock formations process water vapour in a similar manner, giving rise to seeps and springs.

Evidence?


Writings written on the pyramid walls praised the water produced,,,, it saved many elite from premature death. It was described as HOLY WATER a gift from the GODS.

References?


I run on facts and logic.

So far, you have produced nothing but empty assertions, supported by nothing but your own say-so.

I see no facts and little logic.

First there is NO proof (evidence) that the pyramids were used as tombs... never has a mummy been found in a pyramid...

This demonstrates your ignorance of Egyptology and is merely an argument from ignorance. There is plenty of evidence that the pyramids were used as tombs, indeed, the step pyramid of Djoser was his tomb until his grave within was plundered. The pyramids follow a very clear chronological and architectural evolution from earlier mastabas to the grand pyramids of Giza that presents glaring evidence of their funerary intent to anyone who takes the time to study the subject in appropriate detail. If, however, one is merely a significance-junkie or mystery-monger who already has woo-woo visions of mysterious forces and "pyramid machines" (whatever the fuck those are) or aliens who built them, then one will only see what they wish and real data will fall on their closed minds.


and get real, logic would show,

"Real?" "Logic?" These aren't, apparently, terms you're qualified to use on this topic if one is to look at your fantastic and highly imaginative nonsense:


Evidence for the pyramids as a machine

(a) there is a series of machines (pyramids) that show a line of enhanced design

Where is the evidence of "machines?" Complete and utter poppycock.


(c) the Pyramids were sealed except for "air" shafts. The dead do not breath.

Yes, but the kah and the bah may need a way to the outside (these are aspects of the soul, according to Egyptian mythology). Moreover, the workers and attendants inside the tomb needed air until it was sealed.


(h) There are WRITTEN archaeological records describing the pyramids as having huge lakes of water surrounding them... eyewitness accounts.

Please. Cite them that we might have the opportunity to discuss them appropriately.


and there is more.

Right. This thread should be moved to pseudoscience.


But hey, it seems y'all haven't even got the book learning to understand this.

Please. Cite the books you feel we should be "learned" from. In the mean time, allow me to suggest a few from my library that you might want to look for and obtain yourself a genuine education.


Lehner, Mark (1997). The Complete Pyramids. Thames & Hudson, London

Brewer, Douglas J. & Emily Teeter (1999). Egypt and the Egyptians. Cambridge University Press, London

Kemp, Barry J. (1989). Ancient Egypt; Anatomy of a Civilisation. Routlegde, London & NY

Wilkinson, Toby A. (2001). Early Dynastic Egypt. Routledge, London & NY

Breasted James H. (1972). Development of Religion and Thought in Ancient Egypt. University of Pennsylvania Press

Breasted, James H. (1906-1907). Ancient records of Egypt; historical documents from the earliest times to the Persian conquest. Vols I-V. University of Illinois Press

Smith, William Stevenson (1981). The Art and Architecture of Ancient Egypt (rev. by William Kelly Simpson). New York

Fakhry, Ahmed (1961). The Pyramids. Chicago

Romano, James F. (1990). Death, Burial, and Afterlife in Ancient Egypt. Pittsburgh[/QUOTE]

LOL

BS is perpetuated, by all arseholes.

Clearly you're either having a go at us or you're truly ignorant. Either way, not a shred of what you've asserted from your imagination about Egyptian pyramids has the slightest evidence supporting it.

You typed the heading "Evidence for the pyramids as a machine" but completely refused to offer any. Are you playing a prank here?

URI is a troll of long standing. If he chooses to continue trolling, I will happily ban him.

>> URI is a troll who blew in from another forum where he posted exactly the same way-out "theories", and they were extensively debunked by myself and others. >>

politics not science, shame on you James R for branding without warrant......

You certainly ain't a scientist... politician James R

LOL. PATHETIC

There is substantial evidence for the evolution of the burial Mastaba into a pyramid, which explains the continuing fame of the reknowned Architect/Physician Imhotep who designed the first such step-pyramid for his pharaoh.

However, the culmination of the pyramid-building-era [which lasted only about two centuries] resulted in the most magnificent of such structures, namely the Great Pyramid [pyramid of Khufu, or Cheops], which stood alone on the Giza plateau, gleaming in its splendor as the only structure on that leveled limestone outcrop.

It is this structure, perhaps, that URI refers to when he claims there is no evidence of its usage as a tomb.

The claim that the Great Pyramid was used as a tomb, as were its predecessor pyramids used as tombs, has much evidence going against it.

Written accounts exist of the original break-in that occurred circa 800 A.D. [some 3,300 years after it was constructed circa 2500 B.C.] by Al Mamoun and his men, during the original expansion of the Islamic fervor that conquered Greco-Roman ruled Egypt. Evidence of that break-in is clearly visible today, since the tunnel that was chiseled into the solid rock to gain entrance is still used today as the entrance into the interior passageways. The chiseled-tunnel entrance is considerably lower than the hidden original tunnel [which has smoothed walls, and was clearly built during the course of the construction], and thus is more convenient for tourist traffic. Anyone who visits the Great Pyramid will readily note both tunnel entrances on the same face of the pyramid.

The accounts of Al Mamoun reflect that he found no treasure in the interior, and that the only movable object inside was an empty sarcophagus. That sarcophagus still remains in the interior to this day, as it is too large to remove from the "King's Chamber" through the existing tunnels [meaning it was placed in that room during the course of construction]. It consists of a single block of hollowed-out granite, well-polished on the interior surfaces, that required extensive skill to manufacture.

It would appear that the structure was used for religious purposes, but not actually used as a tomb [unless there remains a hidden chamber containing a mummy, which some have hypothesized].

The "air-shafts" that originate in both the "King's Chamber" and the "Queen's Chamber" [amazingly, the "Queen's Chamber" air-shafts originally stopped short of the surface of that room by several inches, and were likewise hidden. They were discovered in the 1800s A.D., and are now open] stop well before the exterior surfaces of the pyramid, and did not provide ventilation, and could not be located from the exterior of the pyramid. Had such openings existed, it would have been an easy entry-way target for tomb robbers such as Al Mamoun.

Rather, the exterior presented a smooth, highly-polished casing limestone surface into which joints between the blocks not even a knife-blade could be inserted. [Some of the other pyramids were cased in their lower courses with polished granite].

Because the Great Pyramid was entirely sealed from the exterior, with not a single hint as to the "real" entrance [forcing Al Mamoun to guess as to how best to tunnel into the structure, which guess placed his entrance hole many courses of stone-block below the actual hidden entrance]. Al Mamoun certainly was lucky in locating the interior passageways. His men had tunnelled through solid rock blocks for dozens of yards, with nary a sign of any interior structure. It is reported that they were close to giving up, when the pounding of their chisels resulted in a large "thunk" sound from further inside. They then began tunneling in the direction from which they yeard the "thunk", and came upon the "descending passage" with its hidden entrance on the exterior. What they had done was cause the plug that covered the "ascending passage" to jar loose, which fell to the floor of the "descending passage", causing the "thunk" sound. That also revealed the existence of the "ascending passage", which was apparently unique in pyramids. The "ascending passage" was blocked by granite plugs, which they tunneled around through the softer core limestone blocks. The "King's Chamber" was blocked by granite "plates" which they smashed through, revealing the empty "King's Chamber" save for the empty sarcophagus [which might have had a lid at that time, since destroyed].

Clearly, such an edifice could not have been used to collect water, even though there is a "well-shaft" and a dry subterranean chamber deep inside. Instead, it appears to have been used for religious/educational purposes to teach the people of their future about them, as a means of preserving some of their mathematical knowledge, which is encoded within, as discussed in previous threads in this forum about the Great Pyramid.

It's a shame that the casing limestone blocks were removed commencing the 13th century A.D. following a major earthquake that shook the region [and cracked the granite beams in the "King's Chamber"] when the pyramid served as a quarry for highly polished stone-work for the nearby city of Cairo. All but a few at the bottom-most course [which were hidden by sand] were removed from the Great Pyramid, and only the topmost ones remain on the pyramid built by Khufu's grandson [and which spoilt the Giza plateau as having a single edifice structure], which is nearly as large as Khufu's pyramid, though without the extensive interior passageways.

>> Clearly, such an edifice could not have been used to collect water, even though there is a "well-shaft" and a dry subterranean chamber deep inside. >>>

That is common logic, and it not binding.
Clearly the purpose is in the design, the well, the structure, a massive heat sink..

>> Instead, it appears to have been used for religious/educational purposes to teach the people of their future about them >>

LOL, a suitable school with no windows to distract and no door.
The structure is only useful as a water vapour condenser.

Now to a much more serious situation.
Scientists are being repressed all over the world. Global warming has them coming out of the woodwork en mass and complaining...
JUST LIKE HERE... hey tell me is this an anti-scientific movement just before the end of this world.

LOL, only a few years left guys.... but hey wallow in your political power, science does not give hoot for your arrogant ignorance.

And guess what, I don't give a hoot for your world, I do not have to be here !
LOL, cryptic I think.

References:

http://www.gizapyramid.com/newtour2.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/ams/ams05.htm

http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/his_html/edgar_50.html

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Article/Wonders_of_the_Great_Pyramid_Revealed.html

http://www.varchive.org/ce/pyramids.htm

http://www.art-and-archaeology.com/egypt/egy1.html

http://www.mendhak.com/paranormal/other/show.php?id=49

Note:

Many of the references have "religious" overtones, and they are included solely for their content pertaining to the discovery of the Al Mamoun forced entrance.

URI:

It was not suggested that the pyramid was used as a school-room structure, then or now; rather it was suggested that the information/symbolism of the structure is edifying in today's world. Certainly that information was not available, and certainly forgotten, for many millenia, until the pyramid was broken into, so that it could be explored. Much still remains to be learned about its mysteries.

Can someone please clean this thread of the pseudoscience and woo so that a real discussion might ensue? There *are* some interesting hypotheses and facts surrounding the construction of pyramids that *could* be discussed, but perhaps others are discouraged from participation in a thread hijacked by woo-woo nutters and cranks.

I'am outa here
but
>> suggested>>

not good enough in science.... where is YOUR PROOF.

bye

Good fucking riddance.

All I really know about the pyramids is that they were not tombs, and they didn't use any slaves to build them, and they didn't use hands to carve the stones, and they didn't use their hands much to put them in place (anti-gravity). They built it using the Ark of the Covenant and similar tools. When Moses needed the Ark of the Covenant which was in the pyramid, they buried people there who had the same effect as the Ark of the Covenant.

Yorda:


All I really know about the pyramids is that they were not tombs...

Oh, for God's sake, read the post where this was patiently explained, above. The vast majority of pyramids were tombs.


... and they didn't use any slaves to build them, and they didn't use hands to carve the stones, and they didn't use their hands much to put them in place (anti-gravity).

Mindless drivel.


They built it using the Ark of the Covenant and similar tools.

The "Ark of the Covenant", if it existed at all, was a box, not a pyramid construction tool.


When Moses needed the Ark of the Covenant which was in the pyramid, they buried people there who had the same effect as the Ark of the Covenant.

Keep dreaming.

Oh, for God's sake, read the post where this was patiently explained, above. The vast majority of pyramids were tombs.

i only talk about the 3 big pyramids, and they were not tombs according to me. i don't know anything about the other pyramids, but most of them were probably tombs.


The "Ark of the Covenant", if it existed at all, was a box, not a pyramid construction tool.

that's right. but the great pyramid was built to keep the ark of the covenant safe, so people wouldn't die from it's divine radiation. and they could control the weather with it..

the ark of the covenant was a box, but it was a magic box because it split the jordan river (and many other things, the bible says), the same way that moses split the sea with his magic staff.

(i'm serious)

Yorda:

You appear to read too much of the extensive pseudo-science literature without a critical eye.

One theory regarding the Ark of the Covenant is that due to its construction [gold metal plating, insulating wood, gold metal-plating] it might have acted as a capacitor while being walked through deserts sands, building up a charge. Upon discharge when someone touched it, persons might have received a large shock, possibly even large enough to stop their heart, killing them.

From such incidents, it is easy to see how stories could become embellished over time, leading to fanciful descriptions later recorded in the Bible.

There is ZERO evidence that the Great Pyramid, or other pyramids, were used as a repository for the Ark of the Covenant. The Great Pyramid was sealed upon completion of its construction, and there is no evidence that it was used as a tomb, though there is extensive evidence that many of the prior and subsequent pyramids were used as tombs. According to some early Greek writers, there was a hidden entrance to the Great Pyramid, a hinged limestone block that covered the entrance, but by the time of Al Mamoun there was no evidence of such secret door, so he tunnelled into it with brute man-power, guessing there might be a hidden entrance [of which there were stories of hidden entrances back then] in the same general vicinity [north face, down low] as were the entrances to the other pyramids that had been broken into.

By good luck, Al Mamoun only had to tunnel some 30 meters before coming upon the actual hidden entrance's descending tunnel. The interior ascending passage had been hidden with a covering over it to hide it, so that anyone entering the pyramid [after discovering the exterior hidden entrance] would go down the descending tunnel and find the empty subterranean chamber, and leave, never guess there was also an ascending passage. However, Al Mamoun also discovered the ascending passage, because the covering had dropped free, falling to the floor of the descending passage, during their tunnelling. It was that "thunk" sound that directed their tunnelling efforts towards the descending passage.

It is a mystery as to why the upper chambers were empty, save for the solid granite "sarcophagus", which is also mysteriously reported to have a volume capacity the same as that of the Ark of the Covenant.

Other mysteries still surround the Great Pyramid. It's geometery is possibly related to the geometery of Stonehenge, though that's another investigation that is currently ongoing.

Personally, I believe there is much left to discover about the pyramids, in particular the Great Pyramid. Are there un-discovered ascending passages in the others? Have they been properly sought for? What was the purpose of the "air-shafts" in the "queens chamber" of the Great Pyramid, since they did not communicate with that chamber until the covering was broken open in the 1800s A.D., and since they do not go all the way to the exterior of the pyramid?

One theory regarding the Ark of the Covenant is that due to its construction [gold metal plating, insulating wood, gold metal-plating] it might have acted as a capacitor while being walked through deserts sands, building up a charge. Upon discharge when someone touched it, persons might have received a large shock, possibly even large enough to stop their heart, killing them.

if someone touched the ark of the covenant they dematerialized. but moses could touch it without dying because he was connected to god.

the ark of the covenant was built of a special kind of metal...


What was the purpose of the "air-shafts" in the "queens chamber" of the Great Pyramid,

the purpose of the air shafts in the king's chamber was to direct the energy from the ark of the covenant.

Guy's guy's there is nothing special in building the pyramid. Nothing alien, nothing with god-like powers.

Infact the stone's they use were not carved but fabricated.
Every stone is precies the some measure. There were not enough ppl in Egypt at the time for building the pyramids as they clame.

They used a substace from the nile in combination with the sand an created the rocks on the spot layer afther layer. It is the only way the manpower and shape of the stones can be explained.

The archtiects whe're something else though. To build a pyramid as pure as they did, asks for respect, a lot of respect.

And yes we can build another one if we so desire but what's the point. Plus why destroying the magic of the one standing now.

how many swedish people do you need to build a pyramid?

They used a substace from the nile in combination with the sand an created the rocks on the spot layer afther layer. It is the only way the manpower and shape of the stones can be explained..So if they were made of sand as you claim, how come all the blocks are limestone?

So if they were made of sand as you claim, how come all the blocks are limestone?

It was stated in a documentory on national geographic that the stones were created in the way we make concrete with some claylike substance from the nile and the sahara sand. I don't know ? who the hell is wright. What i do know is that the egyptian goverment does everthing it can to keep new info on the pyramids a secret.
The way they claim the pyramids are build are impossible for human to do so.
It would take 10 workers with their 'era'tools about a whole year to carv and polish 1 block. A YEAR for one block. Howmany blocks are there in the pyramid?
You would have needed more than a billion ppl do to it in the time they said they did. there were in no way that many ppl in the world,

No the way i saw in the documantary is the most logic one thus i'll believe it.
Don't forget they still need a lot of ppl and a lot of years to complete one even in the way i explained.

how many swedish people do you need to build a pyramid?
I don't know. How many ?:D

It was stated in a documentory on national geographic that the stones were created in the way we make concrete with some claylike substance from the nile and the sahara sand. Point 1: The National Geographic, honourable as the insitution is, does not have its documentaries peer reviewed.
Point 2: You heard a hypothesis put forward. You most certainly did not hear it stated as a fact - unless you have really bad hearing.
What i do know is that the egyptian goverment does everthing it can to keep new info on the pyramids a secret.And you know this how, exactly?
It would be accurate to say that Zahi Hawass, head of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, does not tolerate New Age interpretations of the pyramids, other Egyptian artifacts, and the history of Egypt. That's a good thing, surely.
It would take 10 workers with their 'era'tools about a whole year to carv and polish 1 block.Your ignorance on this topic appears to be extensive.
Firstly, only the exterior stones and those of the Grand Gallery were polished. Secondly, the process of shaping the stones has been duplicated easily and quickly using appropriate tools.

No the way i saw in the documantary is the most logic one thus i'll believe it.Yet you have failed utterly to account for the fact that the blocks of which the great pyramid is made up are of limestone. Not some mix of clay and sand. The idea is simply wrong and is proven so by that simple observation.

Ophiolite:

Not to be nit-picking, but not only is the Grand Gallery made of polished stone, but the "King's Chamber", its "Ante-Chamber", the "Queens Chamber", and the ascending and descending passages are all polished stone. The "Kings Chamber" has polished walls and ceiling made of granite, though the floor, as I recall, is of polished limestone.

And yes, it would be possible, with large numbers of construction crews, to polish all of the exterior casing stones, and even the granite stones, in the liftetime of a pharoah.

Not to be nit-picking, but not only is the Grand Gallery made of polished stone, but the "King's Chamber", its "Ante-Chamber", the "Queens Chamber", and the ascending and descending passages are all polished stone. You are correct. [Though I'm not 100% sure about the ascending/descending passages.] I thought of being more specific in my original post, but decided in favour of brevity, all the while conscious anyone who knew the pyramid could pick me up on it. I don't clearly recall the floor of the King's chamber, though I've been in it at least eight or nine times.

I wish somebody would hurry up and invent a time machine so that we could go back and see these things for ourselves. Imagine what a spectacle it must have been? Blinding literally.

I wish somebody would hurry up and invent a time machine so that we could go back and see these things for ourselves. Imagine what a spectacle it must have been? Blinding literally.

All that is required is FTL travel and optics powerful enough to equal our view from google earth at a few thousand light years away. Not a biggie.

I'll be waiting for that photo then xmillenia light years from now. You'll have to find my mummified body to show it me though.

Anyone think its possiblie they may have been built under water? Or used water to lighten the load?

Yeah someone posted here about how they probably quarried the stone in north africa(in think tunisia/carthage) and dumped in a boat and taken to the nile - down the nile to the site.

The stone was quarried locally; they've matched the stone to the quarries. I don't recall the exact sites, but that information should be readily available.

Yeah someone posted here about how they probably quarried the stone in north africa(in think tunisia/carthage) and dumped in a boat and taken to the nile - down the nile to the site.Given that the Nile doesn't flow through tunisia and never has that thought is a loser.
As Walter points out the stone, or at least the bulk of it, was quarried right there on the Giza plateau. Some was quarried on the other side of the Nile, on the east bank.
What you may be thinking of is that the granite found in the ascending chamber (etc) was brought down the Nile from Nubia.

Ophiolite:

It is interesting that there are three granite plugs that were placed in the ascending passage. Are they from the same quarry as the granite of the "King's Chamber". Those were undoubtedly some of the most difficult blocks to move.

To me, the whole Great Pyramid was built with great symbolism in mind. Why place granite plugs in the ascending passage, anyway, since there was nothing further beyond, in either the "King's Chamber" or "Queens Chamber", other than the empty granite sarcophagus, according to al Mamoun's account. They were placed in the ascending passage during the course of construction, and could not have been slid into place.

Two points:
(1) Although it is difficult to see how anyone could have got in ahead of al Mamoun, this is not ruled out. The pyramid could have been robbed at an earlie date.
(2) As I recall the ascending passage was designed for around fifteen blocks. Why were only three used? That would tend to confirm that the Pyramid was never used as a burial device.

It also occurs to me that al Mamoun may have concelaed what was actually discovered, though I can't offer a motive, or evidence to support this, other than 'that's what people sometimes do'. Carter's sneek look into Tutankamen's tomb is such an example.

Ophiolite:

I have read anecdotal reports that prior to circa 500 B.C., the original entrance was covered by a hinged block of limestone that could be opened and closed, allowing for 'priests' and others to enter. Likewise,the ascending passage was reportedly covered with a hinged block of limestone. We do know the limestone block that covered the ascending passage broke free during Al Mamoun's digging days. We also know the granite plugs were in situ at that time. We also know that the covering over the real entrance was sufficiently concealing that Al Mamoun could not discover it, and started chiseling a tunnel entrance somewhat lower.

With all of that, it appears that Al Mamoun was the first person to enter into the ascending passages, since they were closed. However, the "well-shaft" connects the descending and ascending passages. One wonders what the purpose of that was for, and whether it too might have allowed for entry into the Grand Gallery region, bypassing the ascending passage. How was it concealed, since it connects to the descending passage?

Perhaps you have a little more insight, since you've apparently actually visited the GP a few times, and I've only read about it, and its hidden mathematics. Any insight would be appreciated.

Perhaps you have a little more insight, since you've apparently actually visited the GP a few times, and I've only read about it, and its hidden mathematics. Any insight would be appreciated.Walter, I lived in Cairo for four years in the early nineteen eighties. Since visiting company wheels always wanted to visit the pyramids I found myself acting as their guide, hence my compartively numerous visits, to Cheops in particular. Naturally I also read up on them in some depth at that time. Now, since that was over twenty years ago, I have forgotten most of what I knew and read, though I retain an interest in the subject.
I do find it strange that whereas several other pyramids clearly did serve as burial edifices, Cheops was, apparently, empty. It seems more logical to believe that it was robbed at some point, perhaps within weeks or months of the burial, by those in the know, than to beleive that such a great structure was created as a pure symbol. That said, you mention the hidden mathematics. I guess you are thinking of the works of Smythe and the Italian mathematician whose name escapes me. [Let's not mention Graham Hancock, or poor old SkinWalker will have a fit.:)] There are certainly some fascinating interpretations possible there.
I just don't know. I do know the pyramids at Giza, and the other ones further up the Nile, are damnably impressive. Whatever their purpose, or detailed history they deserved their reputation as one of the Wonders of the World.