Are sexism issues considered "Politics" on this board?

Why or why not?

politics


1. the science or art of political government.
2. the practice or profession of conducting political affairs.
3. political affairs: The advocated reforms have become embroiled in politics.
4. political methods or maneuvers: We could not approve of his politics in winning passage of the bill.
5. political principles or opinions: Weavoided discussion of religion and politics. His politics are his own affair.
6. use of intrigue or strategy in obtaining any position of power or control, as in business, university, etc.
7. (cap., italics) a treatise (4th centuryb.c.) by Aristotle, dealing with the structure, organization, and administration of the state, esp. the city-state as known in ancient Greece.
8. play politics.
a. to engage in political intrigue, take advantage of a political situation or issue, resort to partisan politics, etc.; exploit a political system or political relationships.
b. to deal with people in an opportunistic, manipulative, or devious way, as for job advancement.

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where would you put sexism?

and politics is more or less an intellectual skill
is sexism intellectual?

Originally posted by susan
Are sexism issues considered "Politics" on this board?

Why or why not?

You have to ask goofyfish. He is the one who defines what politics is on this board.

well, I would put sexism here:

6. use of intrigue or strategy in obtaining any position of power or control, as in business, university, etc.

sexism is a strategy, i think.

also, sexism IS intellectual in many cases...
very intellectual.
how many men are called "hysterical"
that's a different issue, but just what got me started.....

ok
what did those guys gain by making you shut up?

I don't know what they gained.
I know I lost confidence and conviction,
also a bit of fun I would have had by being able
to be loud. Also, all those quiet girls could
have been having more fun, I'm sure.
Of course, it's just my opinion, but that's
all we have here anyway........
So I'm currently trying to feel de-sexismfied
enough to go out with confidence, etc....
I'm thinking it will take a few days.
I don't know what this board will do for me;
it's just an experiment, anyway.

if they didn't gain anything then it's not a place in politics
maybe more human psychology

okay, avatar, don't know if you were asking only
about this thread or the other one I started,
which brought me to the concern about the placement
of sexism on this board.

the other thread...
Sexism Sux, is now on "Human Science"
There I complained about being at a party, and feeling
that women were inappropriately quiet and
I felt too loud.

The subject of your original post, susan, dealt with human interaction. Specifically, your reaction during a New Years Eve party and how you realised that you were the only one in the group of ladies that was acting different and how you felt singled out for it.

As presented it did not fit your #6. If it did then you left out a good bit that might have made this clear to the readers of your post.

yes, and perhaps you might say that confidence
is only a psychological issue....?

well, I think it goes into all kinds of political
places....

what the fuck? I can't believe I'm debating that sexism
issues need a place on the Politics board!
This fact should be obvious to anyone with any morsel
of a brain!

I don't know what they gained.
I know I lost confidence and conviction,

Weak. If you have anything worth saying, you will usually be opposed. And by people who will have more serious arguments than "you're being loud".

If you lose confidence that easily, you will never go anywhere. You'll just be another well-trained slave (as I believe Vortexx mentioned in wildly different context).

And that's no way to live.

But susan, your original post really had nothing to do with politics or sexism. You just said "I got yelled at and the boys didn't - sexism!"

Well, okay. Great.

Were you drinking? It's definetly, definetly my experience that people who have had even a little bit to drink are much louder than they think they are. I dobut many will disagree.

there is no difference to me -
sexism at a party is the same as it is in the workplace,
in the home, in the courts....

all political everywhere....!

*Groans*

It's topics like this that make me ashamed of being a feminist.

Whinge, whinge, whinge.


there is no difference to me -
sexism at a party is the same as it is in the workplace,
in the home, in the courts....

Perhaps you simply have stupid friends. The cure for that is to dump them and get intelligent friends.

Jobs are a bit more difficult than acquaintances.

okay, i should not have to defend my experience here,
but i talked to somebody else at the party and he said
that i was not being more drunk/loud than
any other louden. but we did notice that the girls were
quiet, boys loud, except me.so thus the bitching and me feeling like shit.

what do you people want????
sexism is a big deal and it comes in all forms.
jesus christ!
where are the bitch-queens tonight?

why does everyone on the internet
adopt a "I am wiser than you"
attitude?

I LIKE TO WHINE.
and help other whiners. better here on the internet than
out in public.

if you don't want to see the growth of my meager whines
into full fledged political rants than just don't post back to me!

Susan:

okay, i should not have to defend my experience here,

You posted it, didn't you?
Why try to debate if you don't want to debate?


what do you people want????

An Alfa Romeao Spider Veloce and 100k.


where are the bitch-queens tonight?

Honey, I'm the bitch Goddess and I'm right here. :)


why does everyone on the internet
adopt a "I am wiser than you"
attitude?

Because I'm in a bad mood and I want to abuse something.
And there you are.


if you don't want to see the growth of my meager whines
into full fledged political rants than just don't post back to me

You have stupid friends. It's not political to have stupid friends.

To do so would deny that sexism is a social issue. But then that depends once again on how it is presented. The presentation has everything to do with how it is catagorized.

To say that it is illegal to practice sexism within the workplace, could well be a legal issue or a political one being as laws have been written against such.

If you deal with how muslims deal with sexism then it is a religious issue.

If you look at the effects of sexism on the individual within a social setting then it is a social issue.

It is all in the presentation and how you arrange your issue and point. I think this is what you are missing. In your mind it is a distinct political issue. How you have laid it out is not. Say what you thought the way you thought it. It makes a difference.

there are many feminists which don't know what they want
for example one girl in te class
she took up karate :rolleyes: :D bitches all arround, says that all men are pigs, she wants to be treated equally, etc, etc

then one day I took her by the throat and throwed on the desks in the classroom
she doesn't talk to me anymore , just calls a sadist, etc, etc. She didn't even fight back
but I treated her equally! as I would have done with any guy that bitched in my face like she did

also those women who don't like that someone opens a door for them or lights their cigarette...
and when someone doesn't then they immediatelly note that and says that you're impolite.

I hate these types- they just don't know what they want

Say what you thought the way you thought it. It makes a difference.


okay good point. I am lazy in explaining things.
I just prefer not to.

One quick note. If you say something and people just plain ignore it, it was useless. If you say something and people all agree with it, it's even more useless. If people hate it and start disagreeing, or even better start screaming at you, then that means you said something significant.

Normally people don't get mad at something if it doesn't have much of an effect on them. They get mad when it makes sense and it hits down deep, because they feel threatened.

Dunno, that's my experience. I could carry on hours of conversation about nothing.

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also those women who don't like that someone opens a door for them or lights their cigarette...

You know, that is annoying. I have to smile or aknowledge it when people do that, or look like a bitch.
I generally take latter strategy - people are so boring.


I hate these types- they just don't know what they want

Aye. And the ones who read sexism into every little thing.

yes, I either have no friends or stupid friends.
all the smart ones live far away.

:(

You know, that is annoying.
oh ok thanx. didn't know


I generally take latter strategy - people are so boring.
of course they are, but is it the case here?

ok, I'm enough for today
d'night


"Please relax," said the voice pleasantly, like a stewardess in an airliner with only one wing and two engines, one of which is on fire, "you are perfectly safe."

--HHGTG

Originally posted by Susan
Say what you thought the way you thought it. It makes a difference.

okay good point. I am lazy in explaining things.
I just prefer not to.

Can you please point out now what it is exactly you have to say. Good chance that otherwise, this thread will follow the other one.

If you want to discuss something sincerely, then post it in a way which looks a little intelligent to start with.


if you don't want to see the growth of my meager whines
into full fledged political rants than just don't post back to me!

If you don't have something significant to say, then don't post it. My god...

It true, I have nothing against woman haveing equal rights, but alot of them dont want acual equal rights. I my self have also hit a girl, just like I would have a guy. Guys and Girls have there ups and downs there is more diffrance than just something than hangs between our legs. But sirously they do need to understand what they want, I cant stand girls who yell at you for opening a door for someone. If you open a door for an elder is it ageism? If a guy opens a door for another guy is he gay? does he think that the other man is unable to do a simple task, like opening the door? no hes just being polite.

And to the orginal question, asking should sexism be in poltics and world events. I would say it should. Its streching it a tiny bit, I think you would need to reword your first post, with you in the party. First off it wasnt sexism beyond that it was a party. If you were talking a bit more general, and used that as an example than it should be in World events and Poltics

I think my posts sort of act as movie trailers for awhile.
but look! enough people posted here in response
to my inarticulate comments so that there's a little
hubub down here.
hm. okay, soon maybe I'll think of what it is I mean to say.
but I know it is eventually political and about sexism.
maybe it belongs in Philosophy.

It came very close to being in philosphy, Susan. In all fairness it probably fits here better.

thank you; I really liked the last post.
I definitely equate not having equal volume
rights at a party with not having the ability
to say "this man is abusing me/raped me"
or "I'm not getting paid like the boys are"
or "I'm not getting respect for the same
effort put in by a man who does get respect.
I can explain more on all of that soon.
I'm at somebody's house and feel like
a nuisance (go figure, I'm a woman, of course, a constant nuisance!)

See the problme is its almost impossible to elmate and kinda raceism, sexism, classims. No mater how much rights we give woman the, simple fact is that it has to do with the dominat being, rich white males. Thats the people who have power. If woman were in charge of the country there would be a bunch of guys standing around protesting for equal rights its the way it is. And the problme is also that woman and men are quite diffrent, not all men are diffrent than all woman. I could be to the 1000s of years of social control to chemical inblances. I think rights at a part a quite diffrent than rights at a work place. At a work place woman have the capablity of doing most jobs a man could do. I mean at a party its diffrent men tend to do stupider things than girls and thats just the way it is, do you relly want the right to act stupid? Its not relly sexism, its just what people like, some people might not like loud girls, its like choseing your fav color. Should they call you names probly not, but its not relly Sexism.

See the problme is its almost impossible to elmate and kinda raceism, sexism, classims. No mater how much rights we give woman the, simple fact is that it has to do with the dominat being, rich white males. Thats the people who have power. If woman were in charge of the country there would be a bunch of guys standing around protesting for equal rights its the way it is. And the problme is also that woman and men are quite diffrent, not all men are diffrent than all woman. I could be to the 1000s of years of social control to chemical inblances. I think rights at a part a quite diffrent than rights at a work place. At a work place woman have the capablity of doing most jobs a man could do. I mean at a party its diffrent men tend to do stupider things than girls and thats just the way it is, do you relly want the right to act stupid? Its not relly sexism, its just what people like, some people might not like loud girls, its like choseing your fav color. Should they call you names probly not, but its not relly Sexism. Also if you keep telling your slef your a nuciance and letting it get to you, than your just going to beomce a one.

i just wanna say: I LOVE MEN!!!:D

it is a problem!
I DO want the right to act stupid at a party!

But what your talking about isnt quite sexism, but thats like saying its sexist to have diffrent gender styles of clothing because it promotes gender roles. And that we should all wear togas so that we dont arent more gender spefic than another person due to our atire.