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QuarkHead
02-14-08, 12:40 PM
This will become a genuine question, but in order to locate the casual reader in context (and because I am a long winded bastard), it may take a while to get to it. I hope someone can help, nonetheless.

Suppose that G is a generic group, and where gh denotes an unspecified but legit. group operation. One may say that g acts on h from the left. One may also have that g acts on h from the right i.e. hg. We may not assume that gh = hg, i.e. abelianism for our group.

Now let's call the left action of g as L_g. Then by the above, L_g(h) = gh. And let's call the right action R_g(h) = hg.

Now note the following startling fact: one of the group axioms stipulates associativity, i.e. g(hk) = (gh)k. This implies commutativity of the actions of the form L_g \cdot R_k = R_k \cdot L_g for any group, abelian or not. How weird is that?

No matter, it simply says that the algebra of elements of a group and that of their actions are quite different beasts. This motivates the following.

A representation of a group G is its realization as the group of all linear transformations on a vector space V. This is called the general linear group GL(V), so we may have a mapping \rho: G \to GL(V). Now since g can be viewed as an action on the group G, I will find that \rho(g): V \to V,\; \rho(g)(v) \in V.

OK, so here's the question: one may also find a representation of G on the dual to V, that is \rho': G \to GL(V^*). Then obviously, for some \varphi \in V^*, I will have that \rho'(g)(\varphi) \in V^*.

So (dropping the argument on g), I am told that \rho'(g) = \rho^t(g^{-1}). Now I understand why the transpose is required, as it is a pullback on V^*.

But why do I need to take the inverse element of my group as an argument on the rep. map? Or is this only true for matrix groups?

temur
02-14-08, 06:09 PM
Probably because the elements in the dual act on the elements in the primal, so sticking the inverse in somehow annihilate the multiplication by g in the primal side?

For me it seems more like convention, how is rho' defined exactly?

QuarkHead
02-15-08, 08:52 AM
Well, I thought I had arrived at your "annihilation" line of argument first thing this a.m. (using the obvious involutions), but I was wrong. The modified version I don't like at all, it goes like this:

There is a natural isomorphism \rho \to (\rho^*)^*. So set (\rho^*)^* = \rho'.

Also, obviously, if g \in G, then (g^{-1})^{-1}. So that (\rho^*)^*((g^{-1})^{-1} = \rho'(g). And if you hand me \rho'(g), by symmetry I will offer you \rho^*(g^{-1}). And conceding SouthStar's point in another thread, I will have have that \rho^*(g^{-1}) = \rho^t(g^{-1}). But I don't like my first premise.

The other trouble with this is that, since \rho(g): V \to V \in GL(V), then the linear transformation V^* \to V^* \in GL(V^*) should be the pullback (\rho(g))^* = (\rho(g))^t.

Grrr...

temur
02-15-08, 11:59 AM
Let v\in V, \varphi\in V^*, and g\in G. Denote by \langle\varphi,v\rangle the duality pairing. Then

\langle\rho'(g)\varphi,\rho(g) v\rangle=\langle\rho^t(g^{-1})\varphi,\rho(g) v\rangle=\langle\rho^t(g)\rho^t(g^{-1})\varphi,v\rangle=\langle\varphi, v\rangle.

In other words, the duality pairing is preserved.

On the other hand, demanding that

\langle\rho'(g)\varphi,\rho(g) v\rangle=\langle\varphi, v\rangle

for any v\in V, \varphi\in V^*, we arrive at the definition

\rho'(g)=\rho^{-t}(g)=\rho^t(g^{-1}).

temur
02-15-08, 01:56 PM
One heuristic reason: If you define \rho'(g)=\rho^t(g), then it would violate the group multiplication operation, since transposing inverts the order of multipliers. So one needs one more operation of this sort: transpose or inverse of g. Transpose is already used, so use inverse.

QuarkHead
02-16-08, 09:26 AM
temur I had forgotten about the natural pairing. So, though I liked your "heuristic" argument, I didn't get the one preceding it. Here is my lumbering version of the former.

Let \rho:G \to GL(V). Then evidently, \rho is a group homomorphism, and for h,\;k \in G one has that \rho(hk) = \rho(h)\rho(k) \in GL(V). Suppose that g = hk \in G.

Now suppose that \rho(g) = \rho(hk): V \to V maps u to v in V (Why doesn't "\mapsto" render correctly here?).
Now whatever I can say about the map \rho'(hk) = \rho'(g):V^* \to V^*, we agreed in another thread that it's a pullback, whereby \rho'(g) maps, say \varphi_u to \varphi_v.

In other words, under this map, the natural pairing \langle \rho'(g)(\varphi_u), \;\rho(g)(u)\rangle \ne \langle \varphi_v,v \rangle is FUBAR.

Recall I set g = hk \in G. To recover the natural pairing, I use \rho^t(hk) = \rho(k)\rho(h) \in V^*. But \rho(k)\rho(h) \in V^* has nothing to do with \rho(g)!

So, by noting that k^{-1}h^{-1} = (hk)^{-1} = g^{-1} \in G, I may finally write \rho^t(g^{-1}): V^* \to V^*,\; \rho^t(g^{-1})(\varphi_u) = \varphi_v and so I have \langle \rho^t(g^{-1})(\varphi_u),\; \rho(g)(u) \rangle = \langle \varphi_v, v
\rangle .

So, by that inelegant grinding of gears, the pullback is thrown into reverse, and sanity is restored!