DUBAI (Reuters) - A new audiotape purportedly from Saddam Hussein, broadcast on Friday, forecast that U.S. and British forces would soon be defeated by Iraqi resistance.

"Our belief is strong that God will grant us victory and we are confident that the moment for the foreign army to collapse is possible at any moment," said the tape aired by Al Jazeera satellite television. The voice sounded like Saddam's.

"It (defeat) is coming at any time because of the painful blows of the strugglers against the occupiers and the rejection of the occupation by our dignified people."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A12213-2003Aug1?language=printer

If this really is Saddam then he has lost his mind and all reason. I know he's just trying to create more Iraqi disent, but how can his supporters take him seriously after statements like this???

Yup, seems totally off-the-rails, doesn't it?
A lot like, oh I don't know, someone saying that there is no guerilla war in Iraq maybe?
:rolleyes:

Saddam must be using physcological ways. Stating this he could be telling the Iraqi's that US is almost down and he will come back in power. Thus, he's putting fear in that and giving them motivation.

Saddam is the reason they're fighting the US troops. So hearing from their leader might urge them to continue fighting.

So, how long before all broadcasts of saddma etc are jammed so as to avoid giving succour to the enemy?

I think he's right about defeat.

I think he's wrong about "soon."

What's he supposed to say? "We're getting there, but don't count on anything."

As the leader of any nation (existing or nonexisting) one has to always appear positive to his supporters. Even in defeat, you can't just lose it and say "aw christ I was wrong, I'm a major asshole, I think I'll just go and kill myself now." No. You say that the people were too weak (like Hitler did), you merely say that you're going to resign "effective at noon tomorrow" (like Nixon did).

Saddam's just working with what he has, that's all. He has to be in this for the long run, because that's the only real weapon that he has. Time. Given time support for the war will decrease and troops will eventually be withdrawn, first by this nation, then by any others that take up the challenge. If he can bide his time, and is patient, along with his followers, victory is guaranteed.

How can we be defeated? He allways claimed "There are no american soldiers in Baghdad" . :D

I read the other day that at least 52 US soldiers have now been killed in actions by Iraqis against the occupying force. I also read the other day that the US soldiers in some border regions are fighting a constant battle with Irani insurgents.

I also read that having secured the oil and authority and issue d the contracts for rebuilding the Iraq the US/UK bombs destroyed, yet not having restored normal services or security tot he Iraqi people, US is now able to start talking about leaving mid next year.

The supposed deaths of Uday and Qusay appears to have increased, not decreased, the attacks on American troops. I have seen many Iraqis interviewed on TV who do not appreciaste the American presence and some who say that despitewanting hussein's regime gone they would prefer to have it back and have services and security rather than American occupation.

It is a very sad situation for the people involved if you ask me, both the American soldiers on the ground, the ordinary people, and the Iraqi freedom fighters.

Originally posted by Pollux V
Saddam's just working with what he has, that's all. He has to be in this for the long run, because that's the only real weapon that he has. Time. Given time support for the war will decrease and troops will eventually be withdrawn, first by this nation, then by any others that take up the challenge. If he can bide his time, and is patient, along with his followers, victory is guaranteed. [/B]

Yeah good point. Saddam has more then enough followers to win this war, and their guerilla training combined with the various media stunts and political maneuevering will be enough for victory. The only real way we could hope to win is to somehow incapacitate him, in which case the batthist guerillas would be greatly demoralized, leaving many of the foreign arabs without a command structure. Unfortunately such a scenario is unlikely due to the careful planning that was appearantly put into Saddam's "Exit Strategy".

It's a bit like a boxing match:

Currently Saddam is cornered and put in a defensive position, but if the us millitary fail to deliver the final knockout blow he might live until next round and stage a comeback, and the u.s. knows it.

Therefore, I predict the u.s. will be in iraq as long as it takes to knockout Saddam personally.

BTW: The u.s. millitary was ordered I believe to be restrictive and carefull in the neighbourhood of mosks and other holy places in order not to offend the locals too much. What if Saddam is hiding in a bunker beneath a mosk or something???


How old is Saddam anyway ? Maybe he will just die from getting old?

Clockwood : You may patronize the resistance in Iraq by referring to a pathetic Shia trator you dont even find valuable enough to incarcerate , but you are defeatable and so you shall be chased away out of Iraq .

The resistance doesnt begin with Saddam nor does it end with Saddam .

http://www.img4you.com/up/up/fallojah.jpg

Iraqi Resistance (http://islammemo.cc/news/newsimages/image02/00802.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://www.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1047749863489_2003/03/20/baghdad09.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://pro.corbis.com/images/watermark/67/14247549/UT0120336.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20030628/capt.sge.cna36.280603115529.photo00.default-384x243.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20030621/capt.sge.akb08.210603221715.photo00.default-384x266.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://pro.corbis.com/images/watermark/67/14390705/FT0149668.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20030722/capt.sge.jkh57.220703084326.photo02.default-384x273.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://pro.corbis.com/images/watermark/67/14245447/FT0137506.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://pro.corbis.com/images/watermark/67/12398144/FT0019598.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://www.globalissues.net/PhotoFeature/pic421-84.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/ap_photo/20030629/all/l852510.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/ap_photo/20030628/all/l851786.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://cache.boston.com/news/packages/iraq/galleries/sand/02.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://ap.cjonline.com/galleries/galleries/8/images/222.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://www.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1050172631401_2003/04/16/16fighter.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://www.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1047749855755_2003/03/20/ready02,0.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://a1636.g.akamai.net/7/1636/797/f44ff216ec62dd/graphics.boston.com/news/packages/iraq/galleries/baghdad2/01.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://a1636.g.akamai.net/7/1636/797/f6f791dfdbbdad/graphics.boston.com/news/packages/iraq/galleries/baghdad2/25.jpg)
Iraqi Resistance (http://pro.corbis.com/images/watermark/67/14401883/FT0151168.jpg)

We may have not chased you out yet , we sure made you shed a tear or two .

http://www.msnbc.com/c/0/150/912/8x6/030417_postwar_05.jpg

Boohoohoo my arm hurts (http://pro.corbis.com/images/watermark/67/11047011/TL001241.jpg)
Look what you did , you good for nothing piece of shit (http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0305/images/gallery/8.jpg)
Boohoohoo (http://www.nitv.tv/albums/war/7_G.jpg) & more Boohoohoo (http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030707/capt.1057603092.iraq_us_military_jbm105.jpg)
Hopeless (http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030703/capt.1057250144.iraq_military_heat_jbm102.jpg)
Just some sand in my eyes , nothing else (http://a1636.g.akamai.net/7/1636/797/c7bd471050f999/graphics.boston.com/news/packages/iraq/galleries/soldier_2/c.jpg)
Pathetic (http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/07/21/image564132x.jpg)
Shirk (http://www.msnbc.com/c/0/161/429/8x6/030620_iraqss_01.jpg)
And dinner sux too (http://www.sunspot.net/media/photo/2003-03/7006276.jpg)

Static :
I know he's just trying to create more Iraqi disent, but how can his supporters take him seriously after statements like this???

In the same way Bush' supporters still take him serious .

Pakman
Saddam must be using physcological ways. Stating this he could be telling the Iraqi's that US is almost down and he will come back in power. Thus, he's putting fear in that and giving them motivation.
Saddam is the reason they're fighting the US troops. So hearing from their leader might urge them to continue fighting.


But the majority of Iraq who supports the resistance does not support Saddam Hussain .

I do agree that it encourages everybody to get matters into their own hands , be it with or against Saddam .

Pollux

Saddam's just working with what he has, that's all. He has to be in this for the long run, because that's the only real weapon that he has. Time. Given time support for the war will decrease and troops will eventually be withdrawn, first by this nation, then by any others that take up the challenge. If he can bide his time, and is patient, along with his followers, victory is guaranteed

I agree , Saddam al he has is time . However if he is smart he saves up alot for post-USA era because that will be the one he cant win on outlasting . If he indeed is in Iraq witch I very much doubt he wont be alive that long after the USA is gone .

Ele

The supposed deaths of Uday and Qusay appears to have increased, not decreased, the attacks on American troops.

As was predicted by Abdul Bari Atwan (http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/videoplayer/newVid/video_display_new.html?clip=/media/2003/07/23/video564619.rm)

Floyder
Saddam has more then enough followers to win this war, and their guerilla training combined with the various media stunts and political maneuevering will be enough for victory. The only real way we could hope to win is to somehow incapacitate him, in which case the batthist guerillas would be greatly demoralized, leaving many of the foreign arabs without a command structure.

Although Saddams followers are and its Fedayeen (http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/iraq/fedayeen.htm) are definetly of militant relevance in the resistance they are not all there is to it , not by far . The Shia and its Supreme Council For Islamic Resistance (http://www.sciri.btinternet.co.uk/English/About_Us/about_us.html) who no doubt will have Iranian support will form the most important group , followed by the recently formed Iraqi Liberation Army (http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabtimes/world/Viewdet.asp?ID=738&cat=b) .

Surely various Mujahiddeen have chosen to make their struggle an Iraqi one , and so many more are bound to follow .

But I really find amazing , is that in all the crap the zionists and their collaborators throw out at the ignorant public , they dont use the only argument that would stand a chance : What if they would leave ?

IMO if and when they leave Iraq , there are several possibilities :

1)They leave as they are replaced by the UN-smurfs , witch eventually would end up in a Bosnia-like situation untill they leave .

2)If the UN doesnt show or after its left , there will be such a powervacuum in Iraq that the Turks (allied with Israel perhaps) will go in for Kurdistan while Iran would go in on the side of the Iraqi Shia . Saddam would be pretty much stuck in the middle .

Both scenarious that eventually end the same will be devastating and will ravash the country and tear it apart .

Yet the present situation leads to a dead end ..........


It's a bit like a boxing match

Its more like royal rumble if you can remember that one . Its not really a one-on-one ..........

Vortex , did you hear that the Dutchies got sick already ? And you have some hanging out in Afghanistan as well dont you ? Oh my ....

YEH, Here in Holland we joke that some of the Dutch get deliberately sick because Dutch soldiers don't like to be sitting ducks in a shooting gallery, but rather run for a safe hospital....

Gassan, thankyou very much for your post and all the trouble you wnret to to assemble those pictures of Iraqi resistance from different sources.

Elle , thank you very much for the appreciation however I cannot take credit for the trouble of researching pictures from different sources as I merely sorted out a collection already existent and one I was linked to by a friend :)