Okay you guys (and girls, and bbcboy) have had some fun with the most likely sniper, but do you realise that Sciforums probably has had some form of Agent Infiltration from more than one government.

The question is, who in the Sciforums community is really a secret agent out to expose the rest of us and or build a giant dossier?

I know that one of you at least is, but which one?

John McNeil

I can honestly say that it isn't me

I think its Star, just because she pointed the finger first, what's she trying to hide?

I don't think *stRgrL* is, purely from a post she made many months ago.

I suppose you could rule out anyone that says they smoke pot, but then again you could rule them in as a disinformation strategy lol.

I would say there is at least one US agent (CIA) probably located somewhere other than the US, but that's a guestimate.
As for other countries????

well we could point at Adam as being that Australian so secret it doesn't exist service...

Ten years ago maybe I would have fooled around with people on the net like that, if the net had been as big then as it is now. But to be honest I haven't seen much here worth telling to anyone. People listen all the time, but most of what is said just doesn't matter.

One person on here I know has associates at least who might be interested in some people and discussions from sciforums.

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
as being that Australian so secret it doesn't exist service...
Everyone knows about the DSD (Defence Signals Directorate) now, they got in trouble and the press jumped all over them. And I would not work for them, the pay is pathetic.

damnit i've been made :(

ps. Any change to change handles? :)

Adam

How would you know about their pay?

http://www.advanced-g.netfirms.com/nsa.jpg

ah nuts

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shooosh... they'll believe you if you keep that up....

Whats not to believe AGENT STRYDER? :p

The Agent is so obviously Thor. Notice how he keeps saying that its other people...interesting..... and notice how he jokes with Stryder about it....also intersting. HAVING A NICE DAY AGENT THOR!!!!

*nods politly, grins - crackles of walkie talkies are heard in the background*

Ok, I'm the agent. I'm a 16 year old at college who does late night shifts FOR THE CIA!!!!!!

Makes sense

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
Adam

How would you know about their pay?
Because I still talk to people now and then, and I still have relatives and other associates in military and civilian places. Not much really changes in those circles.

One advise for all ............

Trust No One Sciforum Memebers

Muahahaahahaaa:D :p :D :p

I would say most likely that there is no one here that is an agent. Any idea of the amount of daily traffic on the internet? This site, while a great site, is hardly likely to be large enough to attract such attention. Not only that but now-a-days they don't keep people on the payroll to lollygag around on the internet. Most likely there are computers with the ability to search for certain key phrases or alert words. A couple of hits from one would bring someone to look. You would never know they were there. Microsoft is required by law to have backdoors that are accessable to law enforcement without your knowledge. It is an extension of the wire tap law. When is the last time you heard law enforcement telling someone their phone was tapped?

I think its Star, just because she pointed the finger first, what's she trying to hide?

:bugeye: You'll never know.....:D

Originally posted by *stRgrL*
:bugeye: You'll never know.....:D

I think I have seen you before.............some where. ;) .........are you from Santa Barbara?.

Wet1

I'm sure most sciforums users know of "Carnivore" a program that was run/is run, where any form of communication is put through an automated system that uses neural networking programs to match keyword patterns.

It's been in existance since the 70's and included many things from telephone systems to Radio. (yes, talk shows.)

As to "The Wire tap law", if microsoft has had such backdoors put in for a US law, these laws aren't acceptable elsewhere. If a US law enforcement agent was to access my computer, they would be in breach of UK law for not informing of their interaction with a UK citizen (In fact they would be best informing those in the UK, as they would grant more aid than just their access. Of course that would be Interpol or MI6.)

Although in certain respects such a Wiretap law is a breach of "The Universal Declaration of Human Rights", with the Act that each person is entitled to Privacy.

In all respects undermining "The Universal declaration of Human Rights", pretty much annuls any other law on the planet, purely because if there was to be one law that was universal, and followed to the letter, that would be it.

In fact that one Universal declaration is broken everyday, and you could probably find out how and just see the true Hypocrisy that exists. Since there are people that point at countries about their mistreatment, but in turn have projects that do just that to their own people.

Also a point, A film "Shadow Makers" was about the creation of the first Nuclear weapons. It showed the secrecy that the US government used while they were being created, and even had at one point one of the scientists say "Most of these guys(refering to the team) are use to pinning their idea's up on the bulletin board" he was saying this to explain that the freedom of information exchange allowed things to be created, and that secrecy could inhibit the evolution process in design etc.

This means that although "Freedom of Information" exists, it can still be "watched" for security purposes.

As a sub-topic what keywords would carnivore look for?

It's been a while but I remember reading the Microsoft had to go back in and allow access with encryption keys after a court case to make them do so. I could not for the life of me begin to remember where I read that. It seems to me that the world was to be divided into regions with keys that worked only for one particular area of the world but not another.

I am sure you know that I am not a big conspircy fanatic so what I say here is not driven by fear of big government spying. Or that I think they are trying to control what I think with some kind of far out tech.

Futurist. No one can be that disingenious. I think hes really donald rumsfeild.
The rest of you are suspect too. I never browse these forums without my afdb.

In Australia, ASIO, ASIS, the ONA, the DSD, and various other groups have the legal right to go into any computer system in Australian territory, and take, copy, or simply view anything they want without a warrant, and use it against you in court.

Also, in Australia, all financial transactions which pass through any electronic system are registered by a group/system called AUSTRAC. ASIO, ASIS, the ONA, et cetera, all have complete access to AUSTRAC records.

ASIO memo of understanding with AUSTRAC (http://bad-sports.com/~archive/conspiracyx/files/austracmemo.txt)
Telecommunications Interception Act of 1979 (http://bad-sports.com/~archive/conspiracyx/files/telint1979.pdf)
Intelligence Services (Consequential Provisions) Act of 2001 (http://bad-sports.com/~archive/conspiracyx/files/intservact2001.pdf)

AUSTRAC (http://www.austrac.gov.au/)
ONA (http://www.ona.gov.au/)
ASIS (http://www.asis.gov.au/)
ASIO (http://www.asio.gov.au/)
DSD (http://www.dsd.gov.au/)

Lol Wet1

As far as the world governments are concern, there are no such experiments or pieces of equipment that can connect to the human brain.

(They would add to this statement, if you think your suffering from such "attacks" you should gain medical advice or consult your doctor.)

This basically means that you can go out, invent a method to mess with peoples heads and do it freely, because "It doesn't exist" and there are no Task forces or departments set up to deal with it.

It's daft really, they should stop denying it, and just say it exists, then it wouldn't leave everyone open. Afterall it's known that during the coldwar such equipment "WAS in development by ALL SIDES".

As a point to interception, packets of information are usually floating around the internet in plain text anyway. A packet sniffer can gain passwords for FTP sessions etc.

Servers can gain trace information to about your IP, and even a call to your ISP can cause a whole trace, all this done without invasion of your computer system.

Admittedly also the UK a few years ago did pass a law on Encryption, where you have to legally hand over the De-encryption keys. Although that secret clandenstine technology "That doesn't exist", can be used to watch you put the key in at your computer without leaving Trojan clues, or tripping Processor monitors.

Although a Defense lawyer might point out, what was to stop those people watching the keys being put in causing the reason for the encrypted document.

are you from Santa Barbara?.

Nope. Never even been there. Perhaps... San Francisco?

I've noticed how many people have neglected to point at anyone.... Perhaps they are agents... XEV your an Agent.

Nope. Never even been there

hmmmm, not many agents go to Santa Barbara. I point my finger at thee :D

We all are agents

Originally posted by Adam
In Australia, ASIO, ASIS, the ONA, the DSD, and various other groups have the legal right to go into any computer system in Australian territory, and take, copy, or simply view anything they want without a warrant, and use it against you in court.


Free backups? Have you tested their reaction when you call em and ask if they still have a copy of a file of yours?

You would have to be nuts to call any of those agencies. They'd be running every check on you they can do within minutes, and you never know when some smart-arse will decide to teach you a lesson by doing something annoying.

definitly not i
im probly the 1 the agent@ is attempting 2 thwart

Anyone ever thought a certain George W Bush could be a member here?

If anyone, John Macneil or Mallory Knox were George W. Bush's screen names. It fits, like--perfectly.

Tiassa is Bush???

Tiassa....like.....is not bush....no way....AHHH culture shock!! bahahah!:D:D:D

Originally posted by Stryderunknown
Okay you guys (and girls, and bbcboy) have had some fun with the most likely sniper, but do you realise that Sciforums probably has had some form of Agent Infiltration from more than one government.

The question is, who in the Sciforums community is really a secret agent out to expose the rest of us and or build a giant dossier?

I know that one of you at least is, but which one?

The Agent is the net itself:there doesn't have to be an agent on this board for it to be monitored :)

prozak is turning away attention from himself:bugeye:

Hey, what do you think about the name Agent@5? Oh nooo...nobody with a name that says "agent" could possibly be an agent. :rolleyes: :D


The question is, who in the Sciforums community is really a secret agent out to expose the rest of us and or build a giant dossier?
*hides can of kerosene and matches*
....whaaat large, overflowing dossier complete with all the names and addresses and personality profiles of everyone at SciForums? :bugeye: :D

..
.........

...

*jumps out the window!*

I am the agent. I have the best camouflage.

Hurm.... Bebelina as an agent..???

It's not really camouflage, it's more of a Pink Distraction, perhaps you've been unwittingly manipulated to act as such a Pink Distraction while the real agents disappear out of a secret moving wall.

:D

Although I'm sure alot of the sciforums members would fling themselves at you for that dossier.